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eagle2
08-18-2021, 12:09 PM
I have NEVER said that good masks do not work. They do. But it has not been scientifically PROVEN that mask mandates prevent Covid. Maybe they do. Maybe they just help.
Yes it has. Studies have shown that counties that implemented mask mandates saw their number of covid cases decline, while other counties that didn't, saw their covid cases continue to increase over the same time period.
moneybags
08-18-2021, 01:12 PM
Democritus’ idea- which was that all substances on Earth where made of small particles called atoms- to be over looked for about 2,000 years! Aristotle's view was finally proven incorrect and his teachings are not present in the modern view of the atom.
So Democritus “knew” our world was made of atoms, but couldn’t “prove it” until we had electron microscopes.
Our souls “know” a lot about the world. It’s part of masculine perspective that invalidates the feminine way of “knowing”
I see what I see, I feel what I feel, and I know what I know.
Use your inner knowing to navigate Covid.
Don’t look to external world to “prove” what you already know to be true.
xxxGothBarbie
08-18-2021, 01:58 PM
There are now no ICU beds available in Alabama hospitals.
https://www.kcbd.com/2021/08/17/no-icu-beds-are-available-alabama-covid-19-hospitalizations-rise/
I would bet that some of the other southern states aren't far behind.
Not a shocker to me honestly. People there are beyond ignorant & fucking selfish when it comes to staying safe. I'm so glad I got the hell out of there when I did back in June ugh.
xxxGothBarbie
08-18-2021, 02:00 PM
I should be wearing my mask more indoors, I really should be. It's hard to breathe in it & since I am fully vaxxed in a place with high vaxxed folks I haven't been worrying too much. It's been nice to not be so paranoid since getting vaxxed.
TheBrownFox
08-18-2021, 03:58 PM
I should be wearing my mask more indoors, I really should be. It's hard to breathe in it & since I am fully vaxxed in a place with high vaxxed folks I haven't been worrying too much. It's been nice to not be so paranoid since getting vaxxed.
This. Kind of relieved I'm not working in a daycare or preschool setting anymore, because I'd be miserable having to have my nose and mouth covered all day long while trying to talk (and run around playing) with little toddlers and preschoolers...plus wearing it on the bus ride home. You'd think with these places that are making everyone (including us vaxxed folks) wear masks, they could at least have the fucking A/C on or something. It's mid-August. I was in Penn Station, New York a few days ago on my birthday, and it felt like a sauna in there. I could not wait to get outside, and take off my My Hero Academia mask. Lol.
My son isn't thrilled about the mask mandate being reinstated at the college/university he'll be attending, and I sure hope they have working A/C to keep students comfortable. I remember seeing Facebook posts from parents about how a certain elementary school(s) out here was known for not having working A/C for the students.
That's good that you're not being paranoid. I think people need to turn off the T.V. sometimes (Or turn the channel), and stop letting the news scare them to death everyday with the constant Covid/vaccine talk.
miss.a.p1600
08-18-2021, 07:02 PM
I have NEVER said that good masks do not work. They do. But it has not been scientifically PROVEN that mask mandates prevent Covid. Maybe they do. Maybe they just help.
Vaccines have been PROVEN to work. At a minimum they moderate the infection.
well it seems easier to mandate masks than to mandate vaccines. Would you rather the government make you wear a mask in public or make you get a vaccine? Tell the truth lol.
Also I think there is a flaw with “proving” mask mandates work.
You can’t really efficiently track efficacy of wearing masks because this seems like something the participants would self report (people lie) and also people might intend to wear masks but forget or slack off (by wearing them below their nose, touching it with dirty hands, slide it down to talk etc.) thus throwing off the results.
For mask mandates to be accurately proven to work people have to wear the masks as they are intended (which a lot of people don’t)
Basically I think it’s easier to fuck up mask wearing n catch covid than it is to fuck up getting the vaccine n catch covid.
miss.a.p1600
08-18-2021, 07:06 PM
I should be wearing my mask more indoors, I really should be. It's hard to breathe in it & since I am fully vaxxed in a place with high vaxxed folks I haven't been worrying too much. It's been nice to not be so paranoid since getting vaxxed.
Girl my ass got too comfortable n forgot to put my mask on
Walked into Walgreens n noticed after a few minutes that everyone had one on.
I waltzed my happy ass back to my car n got one.
I did feel paranoid. Mainly cause I don’t think im all the way immune yet. And also because people LOVE to run up in your space ironically while you’re without a mask n they don’t have a mask.
Like bruh I can hear just fine. Why are you all in my space talking? Back tf up!
xxxGothBarbie
08-18-2021, 07:41 PM
I still wear mine on the trains here in NYC def & at some stores. More & more people have started wearing them here indoors , even outdoors. I try to keep my distance anyways bc ppl get on my dam nerves haha but ya I need to wear it indoor places more.
eagle2
08-18-2021, 10:59 PM
Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do.
https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/
miss.a.p1600
08-19-2021, 06:16 AM
My friend said her kids just caught corona …… it’s only a week n a half into public school year
People don’t want their kids to wear masks n don’t want their kids to take vaccine……this is what happens unfortunately
Eric Stoner
08-19-2021, 08:35 AM
Yes it has. Studies have shown that counties that implemented mask mandates saw their number of covid cases decline, while other counties that didn't, saw their covid cases continue to increase over the same time period.
There is still not one, scientific controlled peer reviewed and published study that PROVES that masks work.
OK. I am forced to do a bit of parsing. There is evidence that mask requirements are helpful in controlling the spread of Covid in some countries. Evidence that is extrapolated from number of cases ( i.e. number of people infected ) , hospitalizations and deaths. However there is still no scientific PEER REVIEWED and PUBLISHED Scientific Controlled study PROVING that masks work. Evidence and scientific proof are two separate and different things. Before you have another conniption what I have posted does not mean that you are wrong. The other side of the coin is that to date, so far , there is no scientific , controlled, peer reviewed and published study that masks do not work. Some , repeat SOME , one size fits all public policy is being made on the basis of OBSERVATION as opposed to proof. It is almost like saying that umbrella usage causes it to rain. When it rains we see open umbrellas therefore umbrellas cause it to rain. I know , I know that is a simplistic and even supercilious example but it was merely to illustrate the point.
Likewise, you are correct that some countries ( or did you really mean C O U N T I E S ? ) that had mask mandates had lower rates of increased infection than some countries that didn't. There were a LOT of other factors at play besides just mask usage. Most having to do with the severity and depth of lockdowns that were or were not imposed.
Rather than worry about mask usage would it not be better to just keep pushing vaccines ? We KNOW they work. Although questions are starting to be raised about the efficacy and strength of the Pfizer vaccine. Some virologists and other scientists are noting that a vaccine that is as low as 50% completely effective some eight months after introduction is a pretty weak vaccine.
Eric Stoner
08-19-2021, 09:00 AM
Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do.
https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/
Eagle , please READ your own links. Not one of the studies cited controlled for all the variables i.e consistency of use and more importantly whether the mask wearers stayed home or went out in public. Went out where ? How often ? Inside or outdoors ? Which mask wearers had Covid and which did not ? Instead those studies analyzed data and then made such conclusions as : "Cloth masks can reduce transmission of exhaled droplets by 50 to 70 % ". Duh , what about the other 50 to 30 % of droplets ? or " The AVAILABLE evidence SUGGESTS ( that mask mandates ) IN COMBINATION with complementary public health measures COULD reduce virus reproduction levels ".
Before you get all hot and bothered , I am NOT questioning the validity or conclusions of most of those studies cited in the piece you linked to. Despite the absence of a slam dunk , scientific , controlled peer reviewed and published study that controls for the variables, there is nothing wrong with requiring masks for those who have not been vaccinated or tested negative. There IS evidence that use of good effective masks DOES act to protect those the wearer comes in contact with. More than they protect the wearer himself or herself.
It may seem like quibbling or nitpicking. The point is that if people do not want to wear masks then they have to do something else to help control the spread i.e. get tested ; get vaccinated or STAY HOME !
eagle2
08-19-2021, 12:06 PM
Likewise, you are correct that some countries ( or did you really mean C O U N T I E S ? ) that had mask mandates had lower rates of increased infection than some countries that didn't. There were a LOT of other factors at play besides just mask usage. Most having to do with the severity and depth of lockdowns that were or were not imposed.
I did mean counties. Studies have shown that mask mandates in counties lowered the number of covid cases compared to counties that didn't. Here's a study done in Kansas:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2781283
Counties that adopted the July mask mandate in Kansas experienced significantly lower rates of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with those that did not. These findings corroborate previous studies that found that mask mandates slowed the growth of COVID-19 cases in Kansas counties and reduced the spread in states. Our results comparing mask-only policies with masks plus additional restrictions suggest that mask-wearing is associated with these reductions.
Rather than worry about mask usage would it not be better to just keep pushing vaccines ? We KNOW they work. Although questions are starting to be raised about the efficacy and strength of the Pfizer vaccine. Some virologists and other scientists are noting that a vaccine that is as low as 50% completely effective some eight months after introduction is a pretty weak vaccine.
We should be doing both in states with low vaccination rates and high rates of covid. It takes 5 - 6 weeks before vaccines become fully effective. Masks become effective as soon as you put one on.
miss.a.p1600
08-19-2021, 03:11 PM
Eagle , please READ your own links. Not one of the studies cited controlled for all the variables i.e consistency of use and more importantly whether the mask wearers stayed home or went out in public. Went out where ? How often ? Inside or outdoors ? Which mask wearers had Covid and which did not ? Instead those studies analyzed data and then made such conclusions as : "Cloth masks can reduce transmission of exhaled droplets by 50 to 70 % ". Duh , what about the other 50 to 30 % of droplets ? or " The AVAILABLE evidence SUGGESTS ( that mask mandates ) IN COMBINATION with complementary public health measures COULD reduce virus reproduction levels ".
Before you get all hot and bothered , I am NOT questioning the validity or conclusions of most of those studies cited in the piece you linked to. Despite the absence of a slam dunk , scientific , controlled peer reviewed and published study that controls for the variables, there is nothing wrong with requiring masks for those who have not been vaccinated or tested negative. There IS evidence that use of good effective masks DOES act to protect those the wearer comes in contact with. More than they protect the wearer himself or herself.
It may seem like quibbling or nitpicking. The point is that if people do not want to wear masks then they have to do something else to help control the spread i.e. get tested ; get vaccinated or STAY HOME !
He said …….“hot n bothered”…… (in my Beavis and Butthead voice)
moneybags
08-19-2021, 03:34 PM
Lol… Miss.P.A
Yeah I wanna booster before 8 months! Only 50% effective against delta-yikes! I’m tempted to lie and just get my third booster now, but I would rather not.
Although the vaccines are being thrown away; however, they are keeping a list of people who have already had two doses. Working in such a high risk environment I don’t want a vaccine that’s 50% effective. I don’t like those odds. I probably will go back online this winter as the virus surges and vaccines efficacy decreases. This might be the new normal where we play in the spring/summer as new vaccines comes out and then mask up and social distance in the winter.
I bet we need a vaccine this winter for delta. I think the cdc is being way too liberal with its timeline for booster shots. I don’t know anything about immunizations, so maybe it’s not good to prime the immune system too soon?
I bet the CDC is wrong. We’re gonna get to 8 months and then they’ll be telling us there’s science says we should have vaccinated people sooner.
I get science evolves but I feel like the CDC goes from one extreme position to another. They go to throwing caution to the wind in May to being overly cautious now. I don’t mind being overly cautious, but let’s stick with that strategy…LOL. Pick one CDC!
Bahuba
08-19-2021, 04:19 PM
Now Jon Rahm tested positive AGAIN after having COVID a few months ago AND being vaccinated. He's the guy that got taken off the PGA golf tournament as he was playing and winning by 6 strokes.
I think all bets are off with Delta. It may be we have to go to full lockdown as much as I hate it.
edit here is the link: https://www.golfchannel.com/news/jon-rahm-baffled-second-covid-diagnosis-two-months-barring-him-olympics
He clearly thinks he doesn't have it, and he may not.
Eric Stoner
08-23-2021, 11:18 AM
I did mean counties. Studies have shown that mask mandates in counties lowered the number of covid cases compared to counties that didn't. Here's a study done in Kansas:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2781283
We should be doing both in states with low vaccination rates and high rates of covid. It takes 5 - 6 weeks before vaccines become fully effective. Masks become effective as soon as you put one on.
According to David Zweig's latest piece in New York Magazine there is still no definitive study. He asked the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics for the basis , the scientific basis for mandating that schoolchildren wear masks. The AAP did not respond at all. The CDC was not able to provide any data or science that masks prevent Covid in schoolchildren. Before attacking me , please READ Mr. Zweig's piece. One study he cites involved 90,000 students who ALL wore masks. He also looked at mask policy in a lot of other countries whose Covid numbers are better or at least no worse than ours. Our current mask policies run counter to those countries and the WHO. He also note the reluctance of many doctors to go on the record and question mask requirements.
eagle2
08-23-2021, 09:12 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/07/24/contentious-mask-debates-in-school/
Wearing masks has been cited by health experts as one of the most effective health measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus. In late June, a report by two Duke University scientists who reviewed data from March through June 2021 in 100 school districts and 14 charter schools in North Carolina found that wearing masks effectively prevented the transmission of the virus in schools and on buses even without physical distancing.
moneybags
08-23-2021, 10:33 PM
I wish the CDC would say your guess is as good as mine…lol. No one really knows how this pandemic will end and what the long term consequences will be. I mean I do understand why people are saying fuck it we’re all gonna get it, so let’s just get it over with and live our lives. While it’s true we’re exposed to many pathogens and our bodies are meant to fight them off, I don’t think that means abandoning social distancing and masking and just hoping for the best.
eagle2
08-23-2021, 10:42 PM
So far, the vaccines have been shown to greatly reduce the likelihood of becoming seriously ill or dying from covid, but you're definitely better off if you can avoid getting it altogether. I went back to wearing masks in public places when I'm not eating or drinking, because of the new variant, but I'm continuing to occasionally go out to eat.
miss.a.p1600
08-24-2021, 06:40 AM
It really pisses me off when people act like they are too dumb to read, and inch closer n closer to you when you’re in line despite seeing social distancing stickers on the floor.
You’re not blind n you can read so back tf up asshole!!!
Bahuba
08-24-2021, 10:53 AM
Right now I'm wearing a mask indoors when not eating / drinking. My main area of advocacy is vaccines for developing countries (they don't have the US issue, everyone is desperate for vaccines) and I'm vowing to remain compassionate to everyone in the US.
eagle2
08-24-2021, 11:32 AM
If you think you don't have to worry about covid-19 because you're fit and healthy:
https://twitter.com/KellyReinkeTV/status/1430007918254956548
Eric Stoner
08-25-2021, 08:19 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/07/24/contentious-mask-debates-in-school/
Wearing masks has been cited by health experts as one of the most effective health measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus. In late June, a report by two Duke University scientists who reviewed data from March through June 2021 in 100 school districts and 14 charter schools in North Carolina found that wearing masks effectively prevented the transmission of the virus in schools and on buses even without physical distancing.
What about the CDC report in May concerning COVID and school safety ? From the CDC report : " distancing, hybrid models ... and, most notably , REQUIRING Student masking ... could not be said to be effective." As David Zweig pointed out in his recent piece in New York Magazine ( Eagle, please READ it FIRST then mount your soapbox lol ) : "The U.K. , Ireland , all of Scandinavia, France , the Netherlands, Switzerland and Italy ALL exempted kids ... from wearing masks in classrooms". "There's no evidence of more outbreaks in schools in those countries relative to schools in the U.S. " And he notes that the "highly transmissible Delta variant has not led them to change this calculus. " He goes on to say that a focus on masks detracts from two things PROVEN to work in schools, vaccination and ventilation.
Eric Stoner
08-25-2021, 08:27 AM
Btw, N.Y. Governor Hochul just added 12,000 Covid deaths to the the 43,000 that Cuomo acknowledged making for a total of 55,000.
Anyone still doubt that Cuomo was cooking the books ?
Oh and he got his Emmy pulled lol.
whirlerz
08-29-2021, 12:00 PM
Mask mandate back, IL
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2021/8/26/22642860/pritzker-reinstates-mask-mandate-requires-vaccines-educators-students-coronavirus-covid
moneybags
08-30-2021, 01:07 AM
I’m half tempted to go accoss the state border to get my booster sooner. Hopefully, they look at the data and bump it up to 5 months. I don’t really want to be messing with vaccines without CDC’s approval
UTMB Lab Tests Pfizer COVID Vaccine : Shots - Health News - https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/20/1029449984/a-texas-lab-performs-crucial-testing-for-pfizers-covid-vaccine
miss.a.p1600
09-01-2021, 07:51 AM
https://www.fastcompany.com/90670465/rip-cloth-masks-why-airlines-and-governments-are-banning-them
some places banning cloth masks due to more transmissible variants
TheBrownFox
09-01-2021, 10:10 AM
Wow.....
Eric Stoner
09-01-2021, 11:20 AM
https://www.fastcompany.com/90670465/rip-cloth-masks-why-airlines-and-governments-are-banning-them
some places banning cloth masks due to more transmissible variants
The latest studies show that cloth masks do not work very well. The only one that makes a real difference is the N-95.
miss.a.p1600
09-01-2021, 12:28 PM
People kill me how the wear their mask below their nose.
I guess they don’t care about inhaling pathogens
eagle2
09-01-2021, 03:39 PM
The latest studies show that cloth masks do not work very well. The only one that makes a real difference is the N-95.
Multi-layer polymer masks are also very effective.
indiegirl
09-01-2021, 11:30 PM
The latest studies show that cloth masks do not work very well. The only one that makes a real difference is the N-95.
I've lost faith in news. First, we didn't need masks only people in healthcare, then we did. Next they said even a bandana or some sort of mask is required but n-95's are for healthcare workers. Then they released a news video testing out the various types of masks which got me to buying a 5 layer cloth mask. Apparently now we're back to square 1 and N-95's are the best.
I'm starting to realize they don't know anything bahaha. And now we got Joe Rogan over here with Covid taking Ivermectin. It feels like nobody knows what's going on and we're all just scrambling for a solution LOLLL.
moneybags
09-02-2021, 12:53 AM
I've lost faith in news. First, we didn't need masks only people in healthcare, then we did. Next they said even a bandana or some sort of mask is required but n-95's are for healthcare workers. Then they released a news video testing out the various types of masks which got me to buying a 5 layer cloth mask. Apparently now we're back to square 1 and N-95's are the best.
I'm starting to realize they don't know anything bahaha. And now we got Joe Rogan over here with Covid taking Ivermectin. It feels like nobody knows what's going on and we're all just scrambling for a solution LOLLL.
The problem is the CDC is making political decisions.
Which telling people they didn’t need masks at first was to make sure they had enough for the health care workers, telling people we didn’t need masks in May was a way to get more people vaccinated even the delta was brewing in India (if you saw the YouTube comments on the India news they were reporting the breakthrough cases). Now we’re back to masking. I just feel they should have a psychologist on there team as well as doctors. I’m very adaptable and have a survivor personality, but most people can’t deal with the emotional and psychological toll of the constant back and forth. They should have told people to mask up till the end of the year or developed a metric so people can asses their risk based on community spread. I can’t blame the CDC completely. Even if the CDC did everything right, I’m not sure people would have listened. AND there’s WAY more breakthrough cases! The CDC is downplaying the breakthroughs and severity to sell the vaccines. Shit on the CDC report on vaccine efficacy said the vaccine is 97% effective-that’s old info based the Alpha. You expect updated information on official reports.
The CDC playing politics doesn’t help with their credibility!
Eric Stoner
09-02-2021, 08:21 AM
The latest study used villages. Some villages wore masks. Others did not. The mask wearing villagers had 11% less Covid infections than the maskless.
That followed several other studies showing masks had limited effectiveness.
Cloth masks have proven to be essentially useless. Surgical masks have been shown to be roughly 50% effective. The N-95 mask has been shown to be at least 90% effective with a snug and proper fit.
miss.a.p1600
09-02-2021, 09:14 AM
I honestly think only the people who are sick should wear masks
But you got sociopaths and people who don’t give two fucks about spreading their pathogens making it harder for everyone else.
moneybags
09-02-2021, 11:08 AM
I honestly think only the people who are sick should wear masks
But you got sociopaths and people who don’t give two fucks about spreading their pathogens making it harder for everyone else.
Politics aside masks work to reduce disease in the community. I can still spread disease if even though I’m vaccinated. I care about children and vulnerable people, so I mask up in public spaces
I don’t want to see anyone die or get sick, but at some point scientists are saying you will get this virus-it’s only a matter of time. I don’t think that means throwing caution to the wind.
Covid sucks!
If there’s one thing I know. I’m just gonna shine as much love and light as I can in this time of darkness. I’m not going to let myself lose my humanity or my heart no matter what.
Eric Stoner
09-02-2021, 11:10 AM
I honestly think only the people who are sick should wear masks
But you got sociopaths and people who don’t give two fucks about spreading their pathogens making it harder for everyone else.
I agree with you BUT a lot of people with Covid do not know it. They have it and can spread it even though they are not sick. Plus masks have been shown to be protective of those the mask wearers come in contact with. More protective than for the mask wearers themselves.
miss.a.p1600
09-02-2021, 02:36 PM
^I guess I don’t believe in the “asymptomatic” thing.
Most people have been trained by society to ignore their bodies and come to work at all costs because you will get heckled at the least and fired at the most if you take time off when you are feeling “sniffles”.
When I worked corporate my nasty ass coworkers would traipse into work sick and not call out unless they were diagnosed with some major health issue that would put them in the hospital. Mean while they are coughing over the food in the break room, making community coffee with the same hands they blew their snot nose (n didn’t wash their filthy hands), and breathing their pathogens all over the shared office space.
Some nasty joker had the gall to come to work with an active flu case. Gross!
I kind of have sympathy because many corporations do not care about their employees only about their bottom line and they can’t afford for everyone to be out sick for “sniffles” every other day.
Also
A lot of people cannot afford to take time off work when they are sick because they might not get paid or have childcare.
And let’s not forget, a while back it was recommended to “slow down” the testing. If we had easier access to testing and rapid testing, we could catch a postive case before it spreads too quickly.
It should be as easy n cheap to test for coronavirus as it is to test for pregnancy n marijuana
In addition saying “hey I was a symptomatic! I didn’t know I had it when I was out traipsing around n coming into a crowded work office” will remove legal liability and resentment from someone who transmits it to others
miss.a.p1600
09-02-2021, 03:06 PM
Politics aside masks work to reduce disease in the community. I can still spread disease if even though I’m vaccinated. I care about children and vulnerable people, so I mask up in public spaces
I don’t want to see anyone die or get sick, but at some point scientists are saying you will get this virus-it’s only a matter of time. I don’t think that means throwing caution to the wind.
Covid sucks!
If there’s one thing I know. I’m just gonna shine as much love and light as I can in this time of darkness. I’m not going to let myself lose my humanity or my heart no matter what.
Agreed.
im still going to wear my mask regardless n I (reluctantly) got both vaccines
i Think the chances of everyone getting it are slimmer now that the vaccine is here. Thankfully I never caught it (probably because I am a hermit and I have OCD) but Maybe the variants have thrown things off. But i think if the same precautions are taken (before we had a vaccine) the risks can be minimized.
this was similar to how common it was for school aged kids to catch chicken pox (before they FINALLY made a vaccine in the early 2000s I believe)
miss.a.p1600
09-02-2021, 03:10 PM
I also think it’s ridiculous how we have a vaccine and it’s not as effective as the other vaccines.
Fuck a variant!
eagle2
09-02-2021, 03:14 PM
The vaccines are very effective. Less than 1% of the people dying from covid were fully vaccinated.
miss.a.p1600
09-02-2021, 03:19 PM
^I guess I mean you can still catch it.
eagle2
09-02-2021, 03:36 PM
Yes, you can still catch it, but if you do, it is very unlikely that you will die from it or become seriously ill. At this one hospital in Seattle, over 95% of the covid patients haven't been vaccinated.
https://www.rawstory.com/at-my-hospital-over-95-of-19-patients-share-one-thing-in-common-they-re-unvaccinated/
eagle2
09-02-2021, 03:45 PM
A Florida hospital is being overwhelmed with very sick, unvaccinated covid patients in their 30s.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-a-miami-florida-hospital-full-of-dying-unvaccinated-30-somethings-dying-of-covid-19?ref=home
TheBrownFox
09-02-2021, 03:49 PM
And let’s not forget, a while back it was recommended to “slow down” the testing. If we had easier access to testing and rapid testing, we could catch a postive case before it spreads too quickly.
It should be as easy n cheap to test for coronavirus as it is to test for pregnancy n marijuana
I remember in 2020 when Governor Hogan kept lecturing Marylanders that if you went to any gatherings, protests (I'd been to several), or travelled, to go get tested. He was talking as if it was super easy to just go in and get a test, and at the time it wasn't. Places would ask you "Are you experiencing any symptoms?," and if you told them no, they weren't even gonna bother with you. They weren't gonna test you just because "Governor Hogan said so." Haha. I was just talking to a friend about this. He said that his job had made him go get a test, so he had to lie and claim he's experiencing symptoms...in order for them to let him get tested. Lol.
eagle2
09-02-2021, 05:38 PM
And let’s not forget, a while back it was recommended to “slow down” the testing. If we had easier access to testing and rapid testing, we could catch a postive case before it spreads too quickly.
It wasn't recommended by the scientific community to slow down the testing. It was the person who was president at the time, who wanted to slow the testing down, because he thought it would make him look bad if a lot of people tested positive.
eagle2
09-07-2021, 08:23 PM
A recent study determined that if you're fully vaccinated, your chance of contracting covid is about 1 in 5,000 per day, and even lower for people who take precautions or live in a highly vaccinated community.
The chances are higher in the places with the worst COVID outbreaks, like the Southeast. And in places with many fewer cases — like the Northeast, as well as the Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco areas — the chances are lower, probably less than 1 in 10,000. That’s what the Seattle data show, for example. (These numbers don’t include undiagnosed cases, which are often so mild that people do not notice them and do not pass the virus to anyone else.)
Here’s one way to think about a 1-in-10,000 daily chance: It would take more than three months for the combined risk to reach just 1%.
In Seattle on an average recent day, about 1 out of every 1 million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with COVID symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-5-000-real-chances-183201138.html
Bahuba
09-08-2021, 06:54 PM
^^ San Francisco is at 2 cases tested per day per 10,000, with 72% vaccinated. Los Angeles is the same at 52% vaccinated. Del Norte California is at 12 cases tested per day with 33% vaccinated.
The data at the county level does seem to bear out that the more vaccinated a county is, the less positive tests there are for COVID.
However, the average new cases with the US now 49-50% vaccinated is at 62% of the highest level and has been rapidly growing.
Kentucky at 50% vaccinated and a mask mandate has 90 per 100,000 new cases a day, while Michigan at 50% vaccinated has 25 per 100,000 new cases a day.
Hospitalizations are rising on a 30 day average and though deaths are not rising as quickly, they are rising.
The only thing I can gather from this is that vaccines are helpful in reducing the chances of catching and being debilitated by COVID, but they are palliative not a curative, nor is this over at all.
indiegirl
09-10-2021, 01:24 AM
Is there a cloth n-95 that is washable? This is most likely a ridiculous question but I hate getting makeup on the inside of the mask or dirt on the exterior. I checked on amazon and only seeing disposable. Right when covid started I bought a standard n-95 mask on ebay and it just didn't last long and was super tight.