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everythingiscake
08-20-2021, 02:23 PM
Leo owns both of those companies.
I can find no information that Leo owns AVN stars. Can you point me to a source?
Wikipedia says Paul sold the company in 2012 but I can find no information on the sale nor to whom it was sold.
justsometwat
08-20-2021, 03:29 PM
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The new policy will prohibit the posting of any new content containing sexually-explicit conduct. Content containing nudity will continue to be allowed as long as it is consistent with the policy.
Existing content that does not meet the standards of the new policy will need to be removed before December 1, 2021.
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justsometwat
08-20-2021, 03:43 PM
shows, promotes, advertises or refers to “sexually explicit conduct”, which means:
actual or simulated sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, between persons of any sex;
actual or simulated masturbation;
any exhibition of the anus or genitals of any person which is extreme or offensive;
actual or simulated material depicting bodily fluids commonly secreted during sexual conduct;
https://onlyfans.com/aup
laurielegs
08-20-2021, 03:58 PM
It annoys me that Onlyfans continued to do their corporate-speak and even up to the last minute deny they were banning porn and then go ahead and do just that.
I wonder what will happen if we (either accidentally or on purpose) didn't delete something like a JOI with just tits showing.
I only have solo content with mostly above the waist nudity or fully clothed, but nearly all of it is intended to cause an orgasm in the viewer. In some interpretations that is the definition of pornography - something intended to cause an orgasm whether clothed or not.
The terms of service change is not detailed enough to even consider staying there I don't think. I may just leave my above-the-waist stuff up and see what happens.
Not going to rely on Onlyfans any more for extra income though.
JessRyan
08-20-2021, 05:10 PM
^^ I understand where you're coming from. On March 13th 2020 my husband and I were packed and heading to the airport to fly out to our 7 day cruise on Carnival. At 1pm that day on Twitter, Trump posted a tweet about "carnival reaching an agreement with Trump admin" **when they were one of the last cruise lines to do so (stop sailing) We were ON the phone with carnival CS a short time later, and the agent swore they had not suspended cruises, but twitter was saying it 2-3 hours before. FINALLY at the last moment before our flight, Carnival gave an official announcement.
Thank god we hadn't got our flight. But point is, the agent had to have known, but was probably told not to say anything until it was official and coming directly from the company.
JessRyan
08-20-2021, 05:15 PM
I can find no information that Leo owns AVN stars. Can you point me to a source?
Wikipedia says Paul sold the company in 2012 but I can find no information on the sale nor to whom it was sold.
Sam38G knows. That's all the source I need. She's smart been in the biz for years & knows what she's talking about.
TheBrownFox
08-20-2021, 06:47 PM
So I guess that means no more audio clips of me reading dirty text messages. Lol.
Sam38g
08-20-2021, 07:00 PM
Looks like Chaturbate plans to take a stab at it. https://twitter.com/chaturbate/status/1428886381036773376?s=20
TheBrownFox
08-21-2021, 10:22 AM
ManyVids is like "Okay, so now we're gonna entice y'all by offering 100% payout on MV Crush Club subscriptions in September!"
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Bahuba
08-21-2021, 11:27 AM
to add to what SAM38G said about ownership: "The money it's hoping to raise would partially cash out majority owner and porn mogul Leo Radivinsky, while providing management with what one venture capitalist calls "more legitimacy."
So Leo wants to cash out at billionaire. I sympathize, I really do. He has created two of the most innovative models that have made billions, but he can't get on the Forbes list. Further, being cold shouldered by all those blue chip firms must be difficult.
justsometwat
08-21-2021, 12:24 PM
Looks like Chaturbate plans to take a stab at it. https://twitter.com/chaturbate/status/1428886381036773376?s=20
I signed up here, so far there's not a lot going on. It looks like there's no "desktop" version, it looks like it is built for mobile. You can only upload one photo at a time as well, I was going to try to get some content up, but with only one photo at a time that's a little rough. I guess I will just wait and see what changes they make when they officially release it.
Sam38g
08-21-2021, 01:03 PM
I signed up here, so far there's not a lot going on. It looks like there's no "desktop" version, it looks like it is built for mobile. You can only upload one photo at a time as well, I was going to try to get some content up, but with only one photo at a time that's a little rough. I guess I will just wait and see what changes they make when they officially release it.
I am sure CB & many companies have developers & coders working 24/7 to roll out something for us to all join up & push are customers too. In my head, I see the owners with a coffee pot in one hand and a whip in another.. Damn it! there are billions to be made.
Wish that all the celebrities would quit OF in solidarity with us. Tyga did, but he is opening a site too. He promises to pay out 90%, but whether or not it will be a success is another matter and he doesn't know how porn has a tax on it when it comes to billing companies. https://www.complex.com/music/tyga-deletes-onlyfans-to-launch-myystar
Sam38g
08-21-2021, 01:08 PM
to add to what SAM38G said about ownership: "The money it's hoping to raise would partially cash out majority owner and porn mogul Leo Radivinsky, while providing management with what one venture capitalist calls "more legitimacy."
So Leo wants to cash out at billionaire. I sympathize, I really do. He has created two of the most innovative models that have made billions, but he can't get on the Forbes list. Further, being cold shouldered by all those blue chip firms must be difficult.
You are right, he has been cleaning up his history all over the internet for the past few days. Definitely wants to be on that Forbes List. What he has done with MFC & OF has been real game changers, but mostly what he did was offer us a higher percentage than what other companies at the time were doing.
He came in with MFC when most cam sites paid out 35% and a few were even trying to drop it to 25%. Then there was the chargebacks we got unexpectedly in our checks & never knew if we would get the full amount in any check. On OF he paid out 80% where as most sites like C4s & such were paying out 50 to 60%.
With OF, the content creators brought all their own traffic. There still is no searchable data base to find by name or niche. So when it boils down to it, his biggest disruptor move is a higher percentage to the performers.
As for being investable for VC Angels & such, when all of us leave or get kicked off & our customers go with us. When all is left is a few lingerie models, chefs, fitness instructors & celebs, investors will see the profits had dropped by 50% or more. He really didn't create new tech or even a new biz.
Will it even be scalable without us? The taint of porn will haunt him, just like the rest of us for a lifetime. Only Hugh Hefner has been able to rise above all of that, but then it seems he was also drugging models drinks & turning them over to his buddies like Bill Cosby. So he was a pimp & rapist too.
AuroraJade
08-21-2021, 01:12 PM
Lol, did Mastercard just threw them under the bus? They said MC didn't enforce those rules on them and that they are blaming the cc companies.
I still think they are going for an IPO or want to find investors for something else.
Sam38g
08-21-2021, 01:33 PM
Lol, did Mastercard just threw them under the bus? They said MC didn't enforce those rules on them and that they are blaming the cc companies.
I still think they are going for an IPO or want to find investors for something else.
https://twitter.com/OnlyFans/status/1429117407340240902?s=20
Dear Sex Workers,
The OnlyFans community would not be what it is today without you.
The policy change was necessary to secure banking and payment services to support you.
We are working around the clock to come up with solutions.
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Looks like they may have some regrets.
anonamiss
08-21-2021, 01:35 PM
but mostly what he did was offer us a higher percentage than what other companies at the time were doing.
... On OF he paid out 80% where as most sites like C4s & such were paying out 50 to 60%.
... With OF, the content creators brought all their own traffic. There still is no searchable data base to find by name or niche. So when it boils down to it, his biggest disruptor move is a higher percentage to the performers.
i have a question. was OF ever using high risk credit processing to begin with? maybe i misunderstood some of the twitter threads i've seen, including one Sam linked on another page. i was under the impression that OF were basically trying to get away with using lower risk tier credit processing, got threatened by Visa/MC for being associated with illegal sex work, and then didn't want to take the steps and pay the higher fees necessary for compliance with adult/highest risk processing. i know it's more complex than that but is that at least somewhat true or am i way off?
i guess what i want to know is, if his most noteworthy benefit to the industry was providing the highest payouts at the time, was his way of making that happen even legit?
Sam38g
08-21-2021, 01:50 PM
i have a question. was OF ever using high risk credit processing to begin with? maybe i misunderstood some of the twitter threads i've seen, including one Sam linked on another page. i was under the impression that OF were basically trying to get away with using lower risk tier credit processing, got threatened by Visa/MC for being associated with illegal sex work, and then didn't want to take the steps and pay the higher fees necessary for compliance with adult/highest risk processing. i know it's more complex than that but is that at least somewhat true or am i way off?
i guess what i want to know is, if his most noteworthy benefit to the industry was providing the highest payouts at the time, was his way of making that happen even legit?
Both sides, OF & Mastercard are busy throwing each under the bus right now. They are both guilty of trying to fuck us all over & thought they could easily get away with it. Cause historically stealing, criminalizing & fucking over sex workers was easy. Now we have a voice on social media. The rage coming at both companies, the sheer volume & reach of our voices is LOUD!
Neither expected this to go viral or sheer public out cry of how unfair it all is. What either of them are posting or giving statements to the press can not be trusted. This has been bigger than the pandemic & pull out of Afghanistan all over every social media platform. Power paradox is turning.
We have never been able to trust corporations to tell the truth, so sadly I can't provide you with the real facts just our take on the situation.
freya_jade_
08-21-2021, 06:54 PM
Both sides, OF & Mastercard are busy throwing each under the bus right now. They are both guilty of trying to fuck us all over & thought they could easily get away with it. Cause historically stealing, criminalizing & fucking over sex workers was easy. Now we have a voice on social media. The rage coming at both companies, the sheer volume & reach of our voices is LOUD!
Neither expected this to go viral or sheer public out cry of how unfair it all is. What either of them are posting or giving statements to the press can not be trusted. This has been bigger than the pandemic & pull out of Afghanistan all over every social media platform. Power paradox is turning.
This is all true and actually gave me some hope, thank you very much.
pinkvelvetxo
08-22-2021, 06:19 AM
Do you think selling erotic audio clips would work on there with the new guidelines?
Bahuba
08-22-2021, 01:44 PM
You are right, he has been cleaning up his history all over the internet for the past few days. Definitely wants to be on that Forbes List. What he has done with MFC & OF has been real game changers, but mostly what he did was offer us a higher percentage than what other companies at the time were doing.
He came in with MFC when most cam sites paid out 35% and a few were even trying to drop it to 25%. Then there was the chargebacks we got unexpectedly in our checks & never knew if we would get the full amount in any check. On OF he paid out 80% where as most sites like C4s & such were paying out 50 to 60%.
With OF, the content creators brought all their own traffic. There still is no searchable data base to find by name or niche. So when it boils down to it, his biggest disruptor move is a higher percentage to the performers.
As for being investable for VC Angels & such, when all of us leave or get kicked off & our customers go with us. When all is left is a few lingerie models, chefs, fitness instructors & celebs, investors will see the profits had dropped by 50% or more. He really didn't create new tech or even a new biz.
Will it even be scalable without us? The taint of porn will haunt him, just like the rest of us for a lifetime. Only Hugh Hefner has been able to rise above all of that, but then it seems he was also drugging models drinks & turning them over to his buddies like Bill Cosby. So he was a pimp & rapist too.
I worked with analysts during my time on Wall St that had less of a grasp on their fields of expertise than this analysis shows you have on yours. What Leo should do (presuming you'd accept) is hire you for sacks of cash to be a high profile face to his adult industries while he slips out the back door. Set up a few LLCs to gentrify the profits and use them to Warren Buffet - that is, buy cash flow. He'd be rubbing shoulders with the billionaires in no time.
Robert De Niro
08-24-2021, 11:08 PM
OF did the right thing. If they have any hope of going mainstream like IG/FB/twitter/snapchat and joining the billionaires boys club, they have to publicly shun porn. :(
As you read the axios article, investors are ready and willing to pump billions into OF but the negative PR was holding them back. Sure, leo and stokely family could've stuck it out and eventually make those B's but you have to remember, they're businessmen not advocates, OF also hit it's peak in 2020, it's time to go mainstream and cashout. There's a reason why c4s, justforfans and the countless other OF clones aren't household names.
The media can build or destroy your business. As you saw, they were more than willing to coerce an under-aged teen to sign up so they could write an article about it. Thank OF for what they did for you and move on. They held out as long as they could, how long after paypal got big did they dump porn? how about patreon?
Do you see any other alternatives, if Visa and Mastercard were to prohibit payments for adult content with their cards?
Visa/Mastercard will not stop processing for pornography. The alternative is electronic checks (ACH) for US, SEPA for EU, discover cards, unionpay, store bought gift cards etc. Crypto is a no no.
justsometwat
08-25-2021, 07:17 AM
OnlyFans Drops Planned Porn Ban, Will Continue to Allow Sexually Explicit Content
https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-1235048705/
kamiliam
08-25-2021, 09:13 AM
OnlyFans Drops Planned Porn Ban, Will Continue to Allow Sexually Explicit Content
https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-1235048705/
Keyword in their statement was that they were “suspending” the ban, in a press statement while not offering specific support or information to performers.
justsometwat
08-25-2021, 09:26 AM
Yep, at any point they can do it again. That's why people shouldn't put their faith in one website.
Sam38g
08-25-2021, 09:43 AM
Sites come & go. Make as much money as you can off of any or all of them. No corporation ever cares or has loyalty to those who work for them. Now, granted OF has become the largest in the history of porn & world with 2 million sales people or content creators & 130 million customers. It has become bigger than PH/mindgeek which reported to make about $400 million a year.
My customers love the site, I didn't delete any content & really didn't lose any customers. I told them OF would probably reverse they removing porn. My goal is to use these companies as much as they use me. It has always been my motto since leaving my old webmaster who lied & ripped my off years ago.
We, the performers have the power. Now, companies are begging us to join their sites & make them huge. Which I wrote would happen on here about 5 to 6 years ago.
TheBrownFox
08-25-2021, 03:35 PM
Yeah, post your content for sale on multiple platforms. Not just one. Very satisfying to be chillin' in bed, and get a "HungLikeABull has purchased your video!" notification about a nose-blowing video you'd forgotten about. LOL.
I'm looking into this MV Crush and Crush Club thing, and I chuckle at how they promise the guys "exclusive" pics and vids. Lol. Yeah...no. I hope these guys don't actually expect our content to be exclusive to one site. Lol. If I work at making pic sets and vids, you better believe I'm posting it on several sites.
Djoser
09-02-2021, 09:10 PM
Very interesting and not so surprising that OF has 'about faced', again.
Djoser
09-04-2021, 12:39 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/onlyfans-checks-clearing-sex-workers-203037192.html
FrankieSkyPrivate
03-07-2022, 03:55 AM
Adapt to the new TOS or move to many of the other sites that are similar. Never be loyal to a site, be loyal to your customer base.
that's smart comment. No independent worker/influencer should depend on one single platform. And I'm not talking about adult content performers only, also about youtubers, instagramers, etc