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Bahuba
01-27-2022, 06:15 AM
They should have done that months ago. Those have always been more effective and we knew they were.
Eric Stoner
01-27-2022, 08:27 AM
Right, because we should never question or challenge "the rules." No doubt the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea and a number of places would very much agree with you. ::)
Though actually I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion in the first place. The NFL did not require 100% vaccination, but rather simply set team level vaccination requirements and harsher ramifications for teams that did not meet those thresholds as well as unvaccinated players. The team was aware that Rodgers was unvaccinated yet kept him on the roster and continued to play him.
That's right. He did not violate any rules e.g. unlike Antonio Brown he did not present a fake vaccination certificate. He has argued that he is young and healthy and takes vari0ous things that boost his immune system. We now know that the vaccines do not prevent infection.
eagle2
01-27-2022, 02:42 PM
That's right. He did not violate any rules e.g. unlike Antonio Brown he did not present a fake vaccination certificate. He has argued that he is young and healthy and takes vari0ous things that boost his immune system. We now know that the vaccines do not prevent infection.
He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.
TheBrownFox
01-27-2022, 07:10 PM
The government is also giving away free N95 masks.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-get-free-n95-masks-from-the-u-s-government-11643114887
It's telling me I have to pay $8 to subscribe in order to read the full story. Do you have another link that will directly take me to a form I'd need to fill out? Thanks. :)
LoveyD
01-27-2022, 07:46 PM
My grandmom commented on one of my FB posts that it will take a few weeks to receive them, however PhatGirlDynomite (Saw her post in another thread) got hers delivered already within about a week. :)
Ok cool. will have to check my PO box tomorrow. If they take longer I'll remember that I may be a little while.
eagle2
01-27-2022, 08:44 PM
It's telling me I have to pay $8 to subscribe in order to read the full story. Do you have another link that will directly take me to a form I'd need to fill out? Thanks. :)
I'm getting the same thing now. You can pick them up at participating pharmacies. Here's another article:
https://www.today.com/health/free-n95-masks-pharmacies-stores-rcna13491
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, participating pharmacies will vary by state and territory. A full list can be found at their site, but popular retailers include Hy-Vee, Meijer, Kroger, Walgreens, Walmart and CVS Health.
Here's the govt site linked to in the article:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/retail-pharmacy-program/participating-pharmacies.html
rickdugan
01-31-2022, 06:58 AM
He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.
He lied to who, the press? So what? He no doubt did so to avoid the types of hyperventilating over-reactions by certain subsets of our population that were all too common for a while. He didn't lie to his team or the league.
indiegirl
01-31-2022, 07:22 AM
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Just trying to lighten the mood :P! You're welcome to ignore this haha.
Eric Stoner
01-31-2022, 09:20 AM
He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.
According to the CDC if Rodgers had Covid previously then he had superior immunity than if he had just been vaccinated.
What city or state compels anyone to be vaccinated ? None that I know of. Except for health care workers in some states.
NYC has tried to compel its workers to get vaccinated unless they have a health based or religious exemption.
eagle2
01-31-2022, 11:58 AM
According to the CDC if Rodgers had Covid previously then he had superior immunity than if he had just been vaccinated.
What city or state compels anyone to be vaccinated ? None that I know of. Except for health care workers in some states.
Some cities and states require everyone to be vaccinated to be allowed in public places like sports facilities. Kyrie Irving isn't allowed to play basketball games in New York because he's not vaccinated.
eagle2
01-31-2022, 12:03 PM
Right, because we should never question or challenge "the rules." No doubt the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea and a number of places would very much agree with you. ::)
You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.
It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.
Eric Stoner
01-31-2022, 12:38 PM
You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.
It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.
What is wrong with you ?!?! You and I have gone at it for years but you have never attacked me and my Church as you just did with Rick.
That has to be the most vicious and undeserved attack you have ever launched against anyone. It is definitely against the rules.
This thread is about Covid. C O V I D ! How does abortion or any other hot button issue figure in ? Child abuse by priests relates to Covid, how ? Shame on you !
Are you including me and other Catholic members in your diatribe ? I still attend mass every now and then and even drop money into the collection plate. How does that make me or any other Catholic responsible for pedophile priests ? That's like blaming you and anyone else who ever voted for a Democrat for Jim Crow.
Normally I would tell you to put your feet up and apply a cool compress but in this case you are so far off base and clearly in violation of the rules that I think you owe Rick , me and every other Catholic a full, complete and unreserved apology.
Eric Stoner
01-31-2022, 12:40 PM
Some cities and states require everyone to be vaccinated to be allowed in public places like sports facilities. Kyrie Irving isn't allowed to play basketball games in New York because he's not vaccinated.
The NBA is preventing him from doing so. He could easily challenge the state and city rules. They were never passed by the Legislature.
rickdugan
01-31-2022, 12:43 PM
You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.
It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.
Eagle it was not a direct comparison, but simply a tongue in cheek joke to highlight the weakness of the position that we should always blindly follow the rules. Also, I've never debated abortion on here and never will and my religious donations go needy children and immigrants via the overwhelming majority of priests who don't rape children but instead devote their entire lives to the service of others.
You aren't being "harassed" just disagreed with. Unfortunately you tend to confuse the latter with the former when you get upset.
My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.
eagle2
01-31-2022, 03:28 PM
The NBA is preventing him from doing so. He could easily challenge the state and city rules. They were never passed by the Legislature.
No, the city and/or state is. He's allowed to play in away games but not home games.
eagle2
01-31-2022, 03:34 PM
Eagle it was not a direct comparison, but simply a tongue in cheek joke to highlight the weakness of the position that we should always blindly follow the rules. Also, I've never debated abortion on here and never will and my religious donations go needy children and immigrants via the overwhelming majority of priests who don't rape children but instead devote their entire lives to the service of others.
You aren't being "harassed" just disagreed with. Unfortunately you tend to confuse the latter with the former when you get upset.
My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me. My problem is when you compare me to the leaders of totalitarian governments, or say that I would agree with them. The problem with the regimes in North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba, isn't that they're mandating vaccines. I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.
eagle2
02-01-2022, 12:01 AM
My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.
60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/in-case-you-missed-it-january-2022
Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.
TheBrownFox
02-01-2022, 12:58 AM
I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.
For real! If my February 25th surgery gets postponed a THIRD time (Because of too many Covid patients in the hospital), I'm telling the hospital to just forget it...screw my surgery...I give up. Lol. I don't think I can handle one more time of getting my hopes up, only to get another dreaded phone call of "I'm sorry, but we have to reschedule your surgery again." I mean, it's gotten beyond ridiculous at this point.
rickdugan
02-01-2022, 07:16 AM
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me. My problem is when you compare me to the leaders of totalitarian governments, or say that I would agree with them. The problem with the regimes in North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba, isn't that they're mandating vaccines. I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.
60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/in-case-you-missed-it-january-2022
Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.
Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.
As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.
As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
Eric Stoner
02-01-2022, 09:18 AM
No, the city and/or state is. He's allowed to play in away games but not home games.
The authority under which he is limited to away games comes from the League and the Nets based on Executive Orders , NOT legislation.
He could challenge the governor's lack of authority.
Eric Stoner
02-01-2022, 09:28 AM
Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.
As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.
As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
The rate of hospitalization for Covid alone is rapidly dropping . As was predicted based in part on South Africa's experience with Omicron.
Eric Stoner
02-01-2022, 09:32 AM
60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/in-case-you-missed-it-january-2022
Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.
The latter poll certainly demonstrates the power of ignorance as it has been shown that For CHILDREN masks have done more harm than good. As Rick noted the number of parents willing to have their children forced to wear masks has been dropping. Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.
Btw, a similar poll ( by the N.Y. Post ) at the end of December , 2021 found support for both mandates BUT a large segment of the respondents said they would not comply with either mandate.
Eric Stoner
02-01-2022, 09:37 AM
Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.
As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.
As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
I'm still waiting for him to apologize. Not that I'm holding my breath.
eagle2
02-01-2022, 12:37 PM
Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.
As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.
As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
Most people would find it offensive, not funny, being told their views are in agreement with mass murdering dictators. When RFK Jr. made similar remarks comparing vaccine mandates to nazi Germany, everyone was outraged, including his own wife and sister.
Heart problems aren't solely caused by sugary snacks and fast food joints, and hospitals were never filled to capacity and turning people away because of patients with heart disease.
You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Most people do take the threat of covid seriously. It's true there is a certain percentage of people who aren't afraid of covid and aren't willing to take any precautions, and these are the people who are filling up hospitals and are dying in droves. Most people are sensible enough to at least get vaccinated. Over 80% of adults in the US are vaccinated. When I go shopping, most people in the store are wearing masks, even though it's not required.
eagle2
02-01-2022, 12:53 PM
The latter poll certainly demonstrates the power of ignorance as it has been shown that For CHILDREN masks have done more harm than good. As Rick noted the number of parents willing to have their children forced to wear masks has been dropping. Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.
Btw, a similar poll ( by the N.Y. Post ) at the end of December , 2021 found support for both mandates BUT a large segment of the respondents said they would not comply with either mandate.
No they have not. You're just saying that because you're opposed to mask mandates. Vaccines have greatly decreased the number of people being hospitalized from covid. Practically all of the people being hospitalized have not been vaccinated. This is especially true for ICU units. I don't know why you keep saying people who had covid have better immunity than people who were vaccinated. Covid has killed approximately 900,000 Americans. Why would anyone want to get immunity by catching covid, rather than getting vaccinated? According to the CDC, people who have had covid before and haven't been vaccinated are twice as likely to get it again as people who have had covid and were vaccinated. There is no reason not to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical condition where getting vaccinated could be harmful.
Eric Stoner
02-01-2022, 01:08 PM
No they have not. You're just saying that because you're opposed to mask mandates. Vaccines have greatly decreased the number of people being hospitalized from covid. Practically all of the people being hospitalized have not been vaccinated. This is especially true for ICU units. I don't know why you keep saying people who had covid have better immunity than people who were vaccinated. Covid has killed approximately 900,000 Americans. Why would anyone want to get immunity by catching covid, rather than getting vaccinated? According to the CDC, people who have had covid before and haven't been vaccinated are twice as likely to get it again as people who have had covid and were vaccinated. There is no reason not to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical condition where getting vaccinated could be harmful.
Eagle , if you don't like the latest from the CDC please take it up with them. That is what THEY said . AFTER other infectious disease experts and studies in other countries were saying it for quite some time.
We have discussed this. Most of us have had Covid. Most without knowing it because they had no or few or mild symptoms.
I am not and have not argued with you that vaccination is a GREAT idea. Most people hospitalized are unvaccinated. Vaccination protects against getting seriously ill. I have NEVER said otherwise. I think people should get vaccinated and have said so. Repeatedly. Now please stop trying to paint me as an anti-vaxxer when I am nothing of the sort.
And since Rick made it clear he was not calling you a dictator or equating you with same please put on your "Big Boy pants " and apologize for insulting him , me and our church.
eagle2
02-01-2022, 01:40 PM
Eagle , if you don't like the latest from the CDC please take it up with them. That is what THEY said . AFTER other infectious disease experts and studies in other countries were saying it for quite some time.
No, that's what you said. I didn't see any links.
Here's what the CDC said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html
MYTH: The natural immunity I get from being sick with COVID-19 is better than the immunity I get from COVID-19 vaccination.
COVID-19 vaccination causes a more predictable immune response than infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. Getting a COVID-19 vaccine gives most people a high level of protection against COVID-19 and can provide added protection for people who already had COVID-19. One study showed that, for people who already had COVID-19, those who do not get vaccinated after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COVID-19 again than those who get fully vaccinated after their recovery.
All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can offer some protection from future illness, sometimes called “natural immunity,” but the level of protection people get from having COVID-19 may vary depending on how mild or severe their illness was, the time since their infection, and their age.
Getting a COVID-19 vaccination is also a safer way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccination helps protect you by creating an antibody response without you having to experience sickness. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Getting sick with COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness. If you get sick, you can spread COVID-19 to others. You can also continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection.
We have discussed this. Most of us have had Covid. Most without knowing it because they had no or few or mild symptoms.
You don't know that. If it's true, then it proves your statement about the effectiveness of natural immunity is wrong, since large numbers of people continue to catch the virus.
I am not and have not argued with you that vaccination is a GREAT idea. Most people hospitalized are unvaccinated. Vaccination protects against getting seriously ill. I have NEVER said otherwise. I think people should get vaccinated and have said so. Repeatedly. Now please stop trying to paint me as an anti-vaxxer when I am nothing of the sort.
I know you've said you're in favor of vaccines, but here's what you said in your last post:
Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.
These are anti-vaxx talking points. Why did you say this?
And since Rick made it clear he was not calling you a dictator or equating you with same please put on your "Big Boy pants " and apologize for insulting him , me and our church.
I don't know his intent, but I found what he said offensive, and there's no basis for equating vaccine mandates with murderous dictatorships. Again, people were outraged when RFK Jr. publicly made similar statements.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-01-2022, 01:45 PM
Before another thread gets shut down, Walmart is handing out free N95 mask. 3 per person.
eagle2
02-01-2022, 01:56 PM
That will be my last response, so this one doesn't get shut down too.
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-01-2022, 02:00 PM
On topic-
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/preventable-tragedy-fox-news-silent-after-guest-dies-of-covid/vi-AATlfn5?ocid=undefined
rickdugan
02-02-2022, 07:29 AM
Most people would find it offensive, not funny, being told their views are in agreement with mass murdering dictators. When RFK Jr. made similar remarks comparing vaccine mandates to nazi Germany, everyone was outraged, including his own wife and sister.
Heart problems aren't solely caused by sugary snacks and fast food joints, and hospitals were never filled to capacity and turning people away because of patients with heart disease.
You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Most people do take the threat of covid seriously. It's true there is a certain percentage of people who aren't afraid of covid and aren't willing to take any precautions, and these are the people who are filling up hospitals and are dying in droves. Most people are sensible enough to at least get vaccinated. Over 80% of adults in the US are vaccinated. When I go shopping, most people in the store are wearing masks, even though it's not required.
Eagle, if you think I'm just speaking for myself then you've been obviously ignoring what's happening in state and local elections (including school boards) around the country. People are getting increasingly fed up, especially now that a vaccine is readily available. People are not wired to live in a state of emergency forever and more and more people are questioning why they must when they have already been vaccinated. In response most places have quietly done away with mandates and restrictions, even as Omicron numbers remain high. Also you must go shopping in a place with some hyper-risk averse people because around these parts masks are few and far between outside of medical offices and public transport.
As far as your comment about hospitals, whether a particular illness stresses hospitals is irrelevant. Once we use the potential for self-harm as an excuse to regulate personal behavior, we go down a very dark path.
Eric Stoner
02-02-2022, 09:15 AM
No, that's what you said. I didn't see any links.
Here's what the CDC said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html
You don't know that. If it's true, then it proves your statement about the effectiveness of natural immunity is wrong, since large numbers of people continue to catch the virus.
I know you've said you're in favor of vaccines, but here's what you said in your last post:
Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.
These are anti-vaxx talking points. Why did you say this?
I don't know his intent, but I found what he said offensive, and there's no basis for equating vaccine mandates with murderous dictatorships. Again, people were outraged when RFK Jr. publicly made similar statements.
I am sorry for posting facts that you don't like.
Your CDC link is out of date being from December 2021. The latest CDC report published January 19 , 2022 clearly said that natural immunity was 6 times stronger than vaccination against the DELTA variant. Dr. Benjamin Silk of the CDC said : " looking at the summer and fall of 2021when DELTA was dominant surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection against subsequent infection than vaccination ". The CDC study was echoed by the latest study from Johns Hopkins. Dr. Marty Makary evaluated the CDC data which he says shows that natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times more effective in preventing DETECTABLE Covid infection i.e. the presence of active virus. The Hopkins study looked at 295 UNVACCINATED people who previously had Covid. Antibodies were present in 99.9% of them up to nearly 2 years after infection. It also reduced the risk of infection with Omicron.
The CDC study focused on California and New York. Covid rates among the unvaccinated and previously infected was 29 times lower in California and 14.7 times lower in New York. The people with the MOST protection were previously infected and vaccinated . Their Covid rate was 32.5 times lower in Cali and 19.8 times lower in N.Y. Dr. Makary said that the CDC study confirmed more than 100 OTHER studies on natural immunity. The largest of these was from Israel which showed that natural immunity was 27 times as effective as vaccination in preventing SYMPTOMATIC illness.
Eagle - If you don't like the results of these studies please go to CDC.gov and hopkinsmedicine. org and take it up with them.
The latest Johns Hopkins study reported today , February 2, 2022 claims that the lockdowns and school closures had "little to no " effect on pandemic deaths in the U.S. , U.K. and Europe. Especially when compared to the social and economic costs of same. The authors claim that at most Covid mortality was reduced 0.2 %. Border closures reduced Covid mortality by 0.1 %. They claim that they looked at 19,590 global studies and whittled them down to the 24 with the most reliable methodology and broadest intake of data. Two cautionary notes : 1. this study was done by economists not medical scientists and 2. it has not yet been peer reviewed.
As for personal attacks jeopardizing an otherwise useful and informative thread it was not Rick and it wasn't me who injected abortion and pedophile priests into a discussion about Covid . I think I have previously posted that the Catholic Church's cover-up of pedophile priests caused me to be a recovering Catholic around 2000. I'll never forget the Monsignor of my parish asking me when I was coming back to mass. I said : " When I hear you condemn sexual abuse by your brother priests and more importantly the coverups by Cardinal Egan and other poobahs and honchos." He didn't afaik and I stayed away. I've been drifting back ever since Francis became Pope. I had no use for Benedict whatsoever and it turns out he covered up sexual scandals in Germany before he became Pope. I'm back to going to mass. Not as often as I used to but I go every now and then. And I started supporting Catholic Charities again especially Covenant House.
That said, it is apparent that Eagle honestly doesn't think he said anything out of line or that he was somehow justified. I read and re-read what Rick posted and there was no personal attack directed at Eagle. More's the pity . Even if he's not big enough to apologize I say to him : Peace be with you.
TheBrownFox
02-02-2022, 09:58 AM
Before another thread gets shut down, Walmart is handing out free N95 mask. 3 per person.
That's good. I think I'd read that Walgreens was giving out free masks too. I'm getting my Pfizer booster shot there on Sunday (Reserved my Uber ride, which I didn't even know you could do that far in advance!), so I'll see if this particular location has free masks that day.
I'm still waiting on those free Covid tests in the mail. I had bought two of them from Wegmans a while back ($9.99 each), and let my son have one of them when he went back to his college dorm.
LoveyD
02-02-2022, 02:33 PM
I am still waiting for my free covid tests to arrive. Next time I'm at Walgreens I'll look to see if the free masks are available yet.
eagle2
02-02-2022, 07:56 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm going to make one last post to correct Eric's comment below.
I am sorry for posting facts that you don't like.
Your CDC link is out of date being from December 2021. The latest CDC report published January 19 , 2022 clearly said that natural immunity was 6 times stronger than vaccination against the DELTA variant. Dr. Benjamin Silk of the CDC said : " looking at the summer and fall of 2021when DELTA was dominant surviving a previous infection now provided greater protection against subsequent infection than vaccination ". The CDC study was echoed by the latest study from Johns Hopkins. Dr. Marty Makary evaluated the CDC data which he says shows that natural immunity was 2.8 times as effective in preventing hospitalization and 3.3 to 4.7 times more effective in preventing DETECTABLE Covid infection i.e. the presence of active virus. The Hopkins study looked at 295 UNVACCINATED people who previously had Covid. Antibodies were present in 99.9% of them up to nearly 2 years after infection. It also reduced the risk of infection with Omicron.
The CDC study focused on California and New York. Covid rates among the unvaccinated and previously infected was 29 times lower in California and 14.7 times lower in New York. The people with the MOST protection were previously infected and vaccinated . Their Covid rate was 32.5 times lower in Cali and 19.8 times lower in N.Y. Dr. Makary said that the CDC study confirmed more than 100 OTHER studies on natural immunity. The largest of these was from Israel which showed that natural immunity was 27 times as effective as vaccination in preventing SYMPTOMATIC illness.
Eagle - If you don't like the results of these studies please go to CDC.gov and hopkinsmedicine. org and take it up with them.
I posted what was on the CDC site, and unlike you, I included a link. Whatever is on the CDC site represents their position. It does not matter what the revised date is. If their position were to change, they would update their site. According to the CDC, you're better off getting vaccinated than getting covid, and even if you've had covid, you should still get vaccinated. That is what is says on their website. Therefore that is their position. If their position were to change, they would change their website. It doesn't matter if their last revision to the page was made in December.
As for personal attacks jeopardizing an otherwise useful and informative thread it was not Rick and it wasn't me who injected abortion and pedophile priests into a discussion about Covid . I think I have previously posted that the Catholic Church's cover-up of pedophile priests caused me to be a recovering Catholic around 2000. I'll never forget the Monsignor of my parish asking me when I was coming back to mass. I said : " When I hear you condemn sexual abuse by your brother priests and more importantly the coverups by Cardinal Egan and other poobahs and honchos." He didn't afaik and I stayed away. I've been drifting back ever since Francis became Pope. I had no use for Benedict whatsoever and it turns out he covered up sexual scandals in Germany before he became Pope. I'm back to going to mass. Not as often as I used to but I go every now and then. And I started supporting Catholic Charities again especially Covenant House.
It wasn't me who brought up mass-murdering dictators in a discussion about covid. I don't know why you continue to beat this dead horse.
That said, it is apparent that Eagle honestly doesn't think he said anything out of line or that he was somehow justified. I read and re-read what Rick posted and there was no personal attack directed at Eagle. More's the pity . Even if he's not big enough to apologize I say to him : Peace be with you.
You also repeatedly denied Donald Trump is a racist. I do not trust your judgement at all on what is appropriate and what isn't.
The intent of this thread is to provide useful information on covid to the members of the forum, not to endlessly argue over politics or anti-vaxx talking points on natural immunity. It doesn't matter whether or not you've had covid before. The CDC recommends getting vaccinated. If you didn't have covid, the CDC recommends getting vaccinated, rather than getting covid to acquire immunity. This is common sense. Approximately 900,000 Americans have died from covid. Why would anyone rather get immunity by catching a deadly virus rather than get a vaccine that is safe and effective?
Since you seem to want to keep arguing and baiting people, I'm not going to read any more of your posts in this discussion.
Bahuba
02-02-2022, 11:06 PM
please no more wall of text - I actually read the short posts in this thread, would rather not see it disappear, this time I will hand out warnings
indiegirl
02-03-2022, 03:25 AM
Before another thread gets shut down, Walmart is handing out free N95 mask. 3 per person.
That's awesome. Man those KN95's are far too big for people with small faces to the point I could probably cut eyeholes out hahahaha
Eric Stoner
02-03-2022, 09:34 AM
please no more wall of text - I actually read the short posts in this thread, would rather not see it disappear, this time I will hand out warnings
Point taken.
Everyone is free to go to the sites I mentioned and read the LATEST reports for themselves. Both have been widely reported in the media as well.
TheBrownFox
02-03-2022, 11:30 AM
That's awesome. Man those KN95's are far too big for people with small faces to the point I could probably cut eyeholes out hahahaha
They really are! LOL. My grandmom had some sent here for me and my son, and I'd taken a pic of myself wearing one (And shared it to Facebook)...and I was laughing at how the thing is damn near bigger than my face.
LoveyD
02-04-2022, 09:47 PM
I think tomorrow Walgreens said they'd be getting their masks in.
TheBrownFox
02-05-2022, 11:54 AM
While I was waiting for my clothes to dry at the laundromat yesterday, I went into Walgreens and went over to the table where they had the free masks. It was a limit of 3 per person, and they're white 3M N95 masks. You have to put one of the elastic straps right on top of your head, and the other elastic strap is resting along the back of your neck. Definitely a strange mask, IMO, compared to the KN95 mask that I'm used to just putting the straps around my ears. But hey, they were free, so I figured why not. When I go back to that Walgreens tomorrow for my Pfizer booster, I'll grab 3 more if they have any out again on that table.
indiegirl
02-05-2022, 08:21 PM
While I was waiting for my clothes to dry at the laundromat yesterday, I went into Walgreens and went over to the table where they had the free masks. It was a limit of 3 per person, and they're white 3M N95 masks. You have to put one of the elastic straps right on top of your head, and the other elastic strap is resting along the back of your neck. Definitely a strange mask, IMO, compared to the KN95 mask that I'm used to just putting the straps around my ears. But hey, they were free, so I figured why not. When I go back to that Walgreens tomorrow for my Pfizer booster, I'll grab 3 more if they have any out again on that table.
The N95's are so different with the double strap plus they are super tight and it sucks if you're wearing makeup since it rubs off and they are bright white (Wish they would make them gray colored for reuse). They definitely take time to get used to (I got mine off of ebay a long time ago and lost it). Not sure if the mask has been changed.
slowpoke
02-05-2022, 08:35 PM
Lockdowns Prevent Only .2% of COVID Deaths: Study
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220204/lockdowns-covid-deaths-study
Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from Johns Hopkins University says lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths and should be “rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument” because of their devastating effect on the economy and society.
Lockdowns in the United States and Europe reduced COVID-related deaths by only 0.2%, and shelter-in-placed orders reduced deaths by 2.9%, the study says.
Eric Stoner
02-07-2022, 08:36 AM
Lockdowns Prevent Only .2% of COVID Deaths: Study
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220204/lockdowns-covid-deaths-study
Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from Johns Hopkins University says lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths and should be “rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument” because of their devastating effect on the economy and society.
Lockdowns in the United States and Europe reduced COVID-related deaths by only 0.2%, and shelter-in-placed orders reduced deaths by 2.9%, the study says.
Told you so lol.
TheBrownFox
02-07-2022, 02:35 PM
Finally got my free Covid tests in the mail today. It's 4 tests total.
slowpoke
02-07-2022, 03:18 PM
Finally got my free Covid tests in the mail today. It's 4 tests total.
Be sure to study!
LoveyD
02-08-2022, 01:11 PM
I got my free masks from Walgreens today. Still waiting on my covid tests.
eagle2
02-09-2022, 09:21 PM
New York City is offering free home delivery of Covid antiviral pills, though supply is limited.
The pills, which require a prescription, are prioritized for those who test positive for the coronavirus and are at higher risk for severe illness.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/nyregion/nyc-covid-antiviral-pills-delivery.html
xxxGothBarbie
02-12-2022, 12:54 PM
I'm annoyed bc supposedly here in NYC they've lifted the mask mandate and yet this bakery was making me wear one the other day. Yet there are no signs saying I had to. I'm sick of wearing them since I'm triple vaxxed. If it's lifted they shouldn't be requiring us to wear one.
TheBrownFox
02-13-2022, 01:05 PM
I'm annoyed bc supposedly here in NYC they've lifted the mask mandate and yet this bakery was making me wear one the other day. Yet there are no signs saying I had to. I'm sick of wearing them since I'm triple vaxxed. If it's lifted they shouldn't be requiring us to wear one.
I'm tripled vaxxed too now (Got my Pfizer booster last Sunday), and this is gonna be it for me with all these shots. I'm also gonna talk to my doctor about me going off the Depo shot, because after my surgery next week I probably won't even need to be on it anymore anyway (I wasn't on it for sex purposes). The Depo shot causes bone loss, and as a result I have to keep buying Vitamin D3 (which I'm now going on like Day 3 or 4 without, because I forgot to buy some the other day while I was out).
Anyway...I don't like all these hormones in my system. And lately it feels like my blood pressure is raised, my hot flashes are more frequent, and I've been having headaches and nausea. I'm over it all. I want to be done with all these shots and swallowing pills. The only thing I wanna be left with is just having to take my Zyrtec allergy medicine once a day, and that's it.