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Eric Stoner
02-22-2022, 12:56 PM
^^but does this reflect the majority of protesters or a small minority?
the real problem here is government using their power to freeze bank accounts and cancel credit cards. that is frightening. like is this Canada or North Korea/China? is the threat to seize/euthanize protesters' pets real or fake news? WTF Trudeau
Or just one ( 1 ) vicious idiot ? Trudeau said swastikas. Plural. More than one.
kamiliam
02-22-2022, 02:03 PM
^^but does this reflect the majority of protesters or a small minority?
the real problem here is government using their power to freeze bank accounts and cancel credit cards. that is frightening. like is this Canada or North Korea/China? is the threat to seize/euthanize protesters' pets real or fake news? WTF Trudeau
I would say majority in response to your first point, or at least majority sympathetic.
I am alarmed by the extent of Trudeau's actions, however, there are people affiliated with USA/foreign backing that yes should be frozen. This happens all around the world in some form or another. It shouldn't apply to an everyday Canadian citizen.
eagle2
02-22-2022, 04:16 PM
Or just one ( 1 ) vicious idiot ? Trudeau said swastikas. Plural. More than one.
There was more than one. Here's more:
https://pressprogress.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Image-2022-01-034.png
Eric Stoner
02-23-2022, 09:09 AM
Eagle - It is patently obvious that the swastikas used were directed AT Justin Trudeau. They were NOT being used as pro-Nazi symbols but were displayed to equate Trudeau with Nazism. Uncalled for and inaccurate though that might be it is somewhat justified by his assumption of Emergency powers and freezing bank accounts of SOME people who supported the protesters but did not themselves break any laws. Canada has different laws than the U.S. and has a blend of British and Canadian legal foundation and principles. Were this to happen in the U.S. it would certainly bring a torrent of First Amendment and other Constitutional litigation.
Trudeau was understandably upset at being called a Nazi ; a fascist ; a dictator etc. He tried and failed to gaslight his critics and call them Nazis and fascists. Even most opponents of the trucker protest are not buying it.
If , repeat IF there are Alt-Right or Neo-Fascist supporters of the truckers or truckers themselves then it is fair to call them out. So far , that has not proved to be the case.
eagle2
02-23-2022, 10:03 AM
If , repeat IF there are Alt-Right or Neo-Fascist supporters of the truckers or truckers themselves then it is fair to call them out. So far , that has not proved to be the case.
Did you even bother to watch the video I posted? One of their leaders clearly is an alt-right white supremacist.
kamiliam
02-23-2022, 10:43 AM
Eagle - It is patently obvious that the swastikas used were directed AT Justin Trudeau. They were NOT being used as pro-Nazi symbols but were displayed to equate Trudeau with Nazism. Uncalled for and inaccurate though that might be it is somewhat justified by his assumption of Emergency powers and freezing bank accounts of SOME people who supported the protesters but did not themselves break any laws. Canada has different laws than the U.S. and has a blend of British and Canadian legal foundation and principles. Were this to happen in the U.S. it would certainly bring a torrent of First Amendment and other Constitutional litigation.
Trudeau was understandably upset at being called a Nazi ; a fascist ; a dictator etc. He tried and failed to gaslight his critics and call them Nazis and fascists. Even most opponents of the trucker protest are not buying it.
If , repeat IF there are Alt-Right or Neo-Fascist supporters of the truckers or truckers themselves then it is fair to call them out. So far , that has not proved to be the case.
what on earth? The nazis do not need you explaining their flag and what it means, very insulting to those of us who had family torn apart by fascists, or who have grown up in white enclaves with loads of them. I am both, I learned young when you see that flag the very least you do is remove yourself from any association, not justifying it. Personally I was raised to do more but YMMV. Those are Nazis Eric.
Eric Stoner
02-23-2022, 11:27 AM
Did you even bother to watch the video I posted? One of their leaders clearly is an alt-right white supremacist.
Who says HE is a or the leader of anything or anyone ? You ? the RCMP ? Trudeau ?
Sorry but I didn't see him carrying a Nazi flag or any Nazi tats. He did spout some borderline Alt- Right racist agitprop but again , who says that any other trucker or anyone else goes along with him ? His rhetoric was certainly threatening and if he was in the U.S. and said that about our Idiot In Chief it might be a Federal crime although he did not directly threaten Trudeau i.e. he didn't say he would do it and there was no immediacy to the threat if that is what it was. Looks shaky and a reach to me.
Eric Stoner
02-23-2022, 11:31 AM
what on earth? The nazis do not need you explaining their flag and what it means, very insulting to those of us who had family torn apart by fascists, or who have grown up in white enclaves with loads of them. I am both, I learned young when you see that flag the very least you do is remove yourself from any association, not justifying it. Personally I was raised to do more but YMMV. Those are Nazis Eric.
Please try and relax. I am NOT defending ANY use of a Nazi flag or symbols. I wish they hadn't as it detracts from what I think is a righteous cause.
It seemed clear to me that Trudeau's name on the flag plus the attacks on him for dictatorial behavior that the intent was to call him the "Nazi". Right, wrong , fair or unfair.
kamiliam
02-23-2022, 11:41 AM
Please try and relax. I am NOT defending ANY use of a Nazi flag or symbols. I wish they hadn't as it detracts from what I think is a righteous cause.
It seemed clear to me that Trudeau's name on the flag plus the attacks on him for dictatorial behavior that the intent was to call him the "Nazi". Right, wrong , fair or unfair.
only those who are sympathetic would even think to use that symbol. full stop.
Eric Stoner
02-23-2022, 11:50 AM
only those who are sympathetic would even think to use that symbol. full stop.
Hmmmm. I agree that using the Nazi flag was unwise and even inappropriate. It does detract from their cause.
eagle2
02-23-2022, 05:38 PM
^^but does this reflect the majority of protesters or a small minority?
the real problem here is government using their power to freeze bank accounts and cancel credit cards. that is frightening. like is this Canada or North Korea/China? is the threat to seize/euthanize protesters' pets real or fake news? WTF Trudeau
No, Ottawa is not euthanizing protesters' pets.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/22/facebook-posts/no-ottawa-didnt-threaten-punish-protesters-killing/
eagle2
02-23-2022, 05:54 PM
Who says HE is a or the leader of anything or anyone ? You ? the RCMP ? Trudeau ?
It's well documented that he's one of the protest organizers.
https://www.newsweek.com/alleged-arrest-trucker-protest-leader-pat-king-captured-livestream-1680756
Sorry but I didn't see him carrying a Nazi flag or any Nazi tats. He did spout some borderline Alt- Right racist agitprop but again , who says that any other trucker or anyone else goes along with him ? His rhetoric was certainly threatening and if he was in the U.S. and said that about our Idiot In Chief it might be a Federal crime although he did not directly threaten Trudeau i.e. he didn't say he would do it and there was no immediacy to the threat if that is what it was. Looks shaky and a reach to me.
So, not carrying a nazi flag or having nazi tattoos makes him okay? What he was saying wasn't "borderline alt-right". It was white supremacy. His talk about "blood lines" is nazi rhetoric. Nazis believe traits are passed through blood. They're not. He was also calling for violence.
What is it with you, that you have to bring up Joe Biden in every discussion? This has nothing to do with him. Just because he doesn't go along with your ideology, doesn't make him an idiot.
eagle2
02-23-2022, 06:02 PM
Eagle - It is patently obvious that the swastikas used were directed AT Justin Trudeau. They were NOT being used as pro-Nazi symbols but were displayed to equate Trudeau with Nazism.
How do you know that? How do you know this person isn't displaying a nazi flag because that's what he believes in? Why would he have a nazi flag in the first place?
https://images.dailyhive.com/20220130142134/hate-flags.jpg
moneybags
02-23-2022, 06:54 PM
From a non dualist perspective, the trucker protests are neither good or bad. Our ego can get so wrapped up in being right instead of looking at things from a synergetic perspective that we fail to see our individual perspectives are each part of the whole story.
It does make it hard to have a balanced perspective when the media tries to manipulate instead of informing us though. We need more independent media to have a better understanding of what’s going on from a synergistic perspective.
I feel now n days everyone is expected to have an well thought out opinion on everything, and there’s no room for error or “off with your head.”
We’re all just trying to get through life right now.
dpacrkk
02-23-2022, 10:28 PM
It seemed clear to me that Trudeau's name on the flag plus the attacks on him for dictatorial behavior that the intent was to call him the "Nazi". Right, wrong , fair or unfair.
If you're talking about the right side of that image, they are two separate flags. You can see where the fabric ends for each of them. It's clearer from this angle:
https://i.imgur.com/F0r9oEc.png
Eric Stoner
02-24-2022, 08:43 AM
It's well documented that he's one of the protest organizers.
https://www.newsweek.com/alleged-arrest-trucker-protest-leader-pat-king-captured-livestream-1680756
So, not carrying a nazi flag or having nazi tattoos makes him okay? What he was saying wasn't "borderline alt-right". It was white supremacy. His talk about "blood lines" is nazi rhetoric. Nazis believe traits are passed through blood. They're not. He was also calling for violence.
What is it with you, that you have to bring up Joe Biden in every discussion? This has nothing to do with him. Just because he doesn't go along with your ideology, doesn't make him an idiot.
What if he is ? So what ? Just about every movement and cause these days has its nuts and extremists.
I didn't excuse or condone a single thing he said and you know it.
I am not going to get bogged down in a pointless discussion about Nazi ideology. We already agree that it is repulsive. They didn't ask me if they should display Nazi flags. Even if just to try and call Trudeau a Nazi. I clearly said that it detracts from their cause. It is also a distraction.
As far as mentioning President DumDum it was simply to illustrate U.S. law whereby it is crime to threaten the President. Had the protest leader said what he did about What's His Name he could very well have been arrested or at the very least would have been interviewed by the Secret Service.
minibagel
02-24-2022, 10:45 AM
i just watched the video in eagle’s post to see who the ‘leader’ is… and oh please lol. i’d go all-in to bet this buffoon couldn’t even locate China on a world map. if he is a ‘leader’ of anything it could only be the ringleader of circus clowns. helping organize a small crowd of other loonies to peacock for the cameras is not the same as being the leader of a cause. i find it hard to believe his personal racist views/tirades represent the majority of protesters. the media needs some truth boosters ASAP. a couple photos of a couple flags are not very convincing. and in general just one photo or video recording of anything is just one person’s account, one set of eyes, and it can be slanted any way to fit their narrative. during the american protests/riots of 2020 you could go on twitter or r/publicfreakout and see so many different accounts of what was happening, and while video documentation can be helpful, they are only pieces of a puzzle. it only shows one person’s account (the person filming)—a brief glimpse that doesn't show the events that preceded the footage, or after. it's curated just like anything else online.
the media is all about sensationalism and misrepresentation, the goal is to get ppl riled up. the american two party system/canada's dominant parties are an illusion designed to create division between the left and right, pit people against each other, as if it matters in the grand scheme of things.. to distract from the real problem: government abuse of power. the media milks this for all its worth. seeing the Canadian government seize real world assets reminds me of recent events in Hong Kong, freezing bank accounts of protesters. in china, covid patients had their pets beaten to death. fake news? when it comes to china i wouldn't doubt anything, just F the Chinese government altogether. we do not want the U.S. & Canada to ever become anything like China. but i fear it's happening more and more every day. if the Canadian govt. can seize assets during a protest they can do it for any reason they please and that is the scary part.
Eric Stoner
02-24-2022, 11:00 AM
In fairness and to his credit , Trudeau has called off the "Emergency".
Interestingly , the last time that law was invoked it was by his father to deal with violent Quebecois separatists in the 1970's .
whirlerz
02-25-2022, 12:04 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qmIlP9xA62s
eagle2
02-28-2022, 01:56 AM
the media is all about sensationalism and misrepresentation, the goal is to get ppl riled up. the american two party system/canada's dominant parties are an illusion designed to create division between the left and right, pit people against each other, as if it matters in the grand scheme of things.. to distract from the real problem: government abuse of power. the media milks this for all its worth. seeing the Canadian government seize real world assets reminds me of recent events in Hong Kong, freezing bank accounts of protesters. in china, covid patients had their pets beaten to death. fake news? when it comes to china i wouldn't doubt anything, just F the Chinese government altogether. we do not want the U.S. & Canada to ever become anything like China. but i fear it's happening more and more every day. if the Canadian govt. can seize assets during a protest they can do it for any reason they please and that is the scary part.
If you want to see what actual government abuse of power looks like, turn on CNN. They've been broadcasting government abuse in Ukraine all day and I don't see any comparison to what was going on in Canada.
FYI: For many Americans and Canadians who weren't white, the US and Canadian governments were like China, but are less like China today.
minibagel
02-28-2022, 07:54 AM
If you want to see what actual government abuse of power looks like, turn on CNN. They've been broadcasting government abuse in Ukraine all day and I don't see any comparison to what was going on in Canada.
FYI: For many Americans and Canadians who weren't white, the US and Canadian governments were like China, but are less like China today.
cute that you waited until now to post that. i just went on a rant about mainstream media and you asked me to turn on CNN for accuracy?
i only responded to you because you were the one who tried to act like pat king was the "leader", posting a video and a couple pics of flags, as if it was sufficient enough to prove the thoughts and intentions of tens of thousands of protesters. as if people are not individuals and instead just little minions who bow down to their almighty Leader. also, surprise, i'm Asian so you can sit down and stop making it about race. i wasn't offended or outraged by his ignorant words because he is clearly a brain dead dolt. people like him are to be ignored, not given any attention. unfortunately when cameras are turned on these ppl we are made of aware of their existence, even more unfortunate now that social media gives anyone a chance to get viral exposure
The leader of the trucker protests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSgKVvb0V70
^^comical. as were all other videos i watched of him droning on like an obvious attention seeking loony.
whirlerz
02-28-2022, 10:39 AM
They're on their way to DC
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-trucker-convoy-pandemic-110025682.html
Eric Stoner
02-28-2022, 11:47 AM
They're on their way to DC
https://www.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-trucker-convoy-pandemic-110025682.html
As long as they behave themselves and do not block traffic they should be free to protest.
eagle2
02-28-2022, 03:00 PM
cute that you waited until now to post that. i just went on a rant about mainstream media and you asked me to turn on CNN for accuracy?
i only responded to you because you were the one who tried to act like pat king was the "leader", posting a video and a couple pics of flags, as if it was sufficient enough to prove the thoughts and intentions of tens of thousands of protesters. as if people are not individuals and instead just little minions who bow down to their almighty Leader. also, surprise, i'm Asian so you can sit down and stop making it about race. i wasn't offended or outraged by his ignorant words because he is clearly a brain dead dolt. people like him are to be ignored, not given any attention. unfortunately when cameras are turned on these ppl we are made of aware of their existence, even more unfortunate now that social media gives anyone a chance to get viral exposure
^^comical. as were all other videos i watched of him droning on like an obvious attention seeking loony.
I was responding to your comment about govt abuse of power. What's happening in Ukraine is what I consider govt abuse of power, not govt telling people that they can't shut down roads and highways. There weren't "tens of thousands protesters" there. The estimate I saw was 5,000. Neither of us know how many of those protesters there, shared the views of Pat King. We do know that there were at least a few people who thought it appropriate to wave nazi flags at the protests. I haven't seen any of the protesters condemning Pat King's comments. If you have any links showing this, please share.
MissAdriana
03-02-2022, 10:56 AM
cute that you waited until now to post that. i just went on a rant about mainstream media and you asked me to turn on CNN for accuracy?
They already know everything because they saw it all on CNN
whirlerz
03-06-2022, 12:33 PM
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/trucker-convoy-washington-dc-beltway
Eric Stoner
03-07-2022, 08:30 AM
I support their right to protest but NOT to tie up traffic.
whirlerz
03-08-2022, 06:32 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-police-issues-emergency-declaration-014249328.html
Eric Stoner
03-09-2022, 11:25 AM
Somebody tell them to wake up and smell the coffee. Covid restrictions are being lifted. Little to nothing left to protest. Save on fuel and Go Home !
Genoveve
03-09-2022, 03:58 PM
I'm really confused about the blockade so maybe someone can enlighten me. My mom went to one of the gatherings where they cheer the blockade on as it moved through the area heading to D.C. and when I asked her what the truckers were protesting she said vaccine and mask mandates. Obviously mask mandates are currently on the outs all over the US and as far as I could find there is no vaccine mandate for truckers. Apparently OSHA tried to get some law passed that would have made vaccines mandatory for employees employed at companies with over 100 employees, which would have affected truckers, but the Supreme Court rejected it. I told her this and she said it didn't matter because states are still denying private truckers from entering them(I guess?) and when I asked her for specifics and she couldn't give me any. She is also really bad at giving me accurate information and not even properly reading her sources so does anyone know what she is talking about or what she might be thinking she's talking about?
Eric Stoner
03-10-2022, 10:09 AM
I'm really confused about the blockade so maybe someone can enlighten me. My mom went to one of the gatherings where they cheer the blockade on as it moved through the area heading to D.C. and when I asked her what the truckers were protesting she said vaccine and mask mandates. Obviously mask mandates are currently on the outs all over the US and as far as I could find there is no vaccine mandate for truckers. Apparently OSHA tried to get some law passed that would have made vaccines mandatory for employees employed at companies with over 100 employees, which would have affected truckers, but the Supreme Court rejected it. I told her this and she said it didn't matter because states are still denying private truckers from entering them(I guess?) and when I asked her for specifics and she couldn't give me any. She is also really bad at giving me accurate information and not even properly reading her sources so does anyone know what she is talking about or what she might be thinking she's talking about?
Exactly ! Game over. Nothing to see here. Time to turn around and go home.
whirlerz
03-19-2022, 03:08 PM
Is it still going on?
slowpoke
03-19-2022, 05:06 PM
Apparently OSHA tried to get some law passed that would have made vaccines mandatory for employees employed at companies with over 100 employees, which would have affected truckers, but the Supreme Court rejected it.
Biden ordered OSHA to promulgate a rule requiring masks, and the Court held OSHA does not have that authority.
eagle2
03-19-2022, 08:12 PM
This is my favorite trucker protest video:
https://twitter.com/ShutDown_DC/status/1505312396839206912
whirlerz
03-19-2022, 09:32 PM
Lol. DC means, don't come
eagle2
03-23-2022, 10:44 PM
Zachary Petrizzo has been covering the protests.
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1506324396415361024
According to co-organizer and trucker Ron Coleman, The People's Convoy has a new goal: conduct "citizen's arrests" of Metro PD officers and DC Mayor Muriel Bowser. "We have to put a summons out to the Metro PD and Mayor Bowser...we would do citizen's arrests [of] them."
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1506326179208474632
Coleman claims convoy lawyers are looking into it. As to the arrest reasoning: truckers speaking with Coleman say that other truckers haven't been able to "go to the bathroom" while circling the Beltway, which has left "people hav[ing] actually pissed their pants!"
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1506330955040108562
Over the past week, there has been a growing fascination with the prospects of arresting DC residents. Some truckers have also suggested that they could arrest a Beltway driver if they successfully pin in the driver, take them out of their car, and then conduct an arrest.
They actually tried this.
https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1505253519925862407
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1506111529015554051
Today out in Hagerstown, more and more truckers with The People's Convoy have complained about becoming sick with a bad cough. One streamer, “OTR Survival,” ended up going to an urgent care, and described the illness as getting “hit by a bus.”
whirlerz
04-22-2022, 06:00 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-went-trucker-convoy-scary-120029967.html
CFMNH44
04-24-2022, 06:22 AM
This sums it up for me! :)
whirlerz
04-25-2022, 02:36 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/unpopular-peoples-convoy-truckers-pelted-022933945.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-trudeau-announces-investigation-190242674.html