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eagle2
02-26-2022, 08:36 PM
Best protest sign I've seen so far:
https://i.imgur.com/4LxvZC0.jpg
DeathAndTaxes
02-26-2022, 08:40 PM
https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftUkraineCoTFeb26%2C2022.png
roseforarose
02-26-2022, 10:32 PM
I doubt that Russia has anything as effective as Ukraine's Javelin missiles from the US and other NATO countries.
The Daily Mail do a horrible job of reporting and fact-checking, are pretty widely regarded as a tabloid, just as a heads-up btw.
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Russia have started rolling in thermobaric rockets- which are considered to be a step away from nukes with the destruction they cause. They cause mass casualties and completely destroy large areas, and as of now they're in the Ukraine but have not been used. Honestly it seems like Putin has gone completely fucking insane.
I agree that Russia is poor and these sanctions are going to further cripple them whatever the outcome, but they do have some horrific weapons. If they have 6000 nukes (an absolutely fucking ridiculous number) then they have probably quite a few of everything else too. It looks like their army are unprepared, which is why the more serious rockets are being rolled out now.
indiegirl
02-26-2022, 11:28 PM
I figured MSM and the government are lying to the American people. I was caught off guard I almost bought into the MSM propaganda. Do your own research. Don’t trust the government or mainstream media.
“It’s a big club and you ain’t in it”-George Carlin. It doesn’t matter who you vote for they (democrats and republicans) are two wings on the same bird.
I’m just sad that innocent people are getting caught in a war. Most people just want to live in peace.
Short and amusing
https://youtu.be/595Esg6Mz0U
Longer and serious discussion
https://youtu.be/Xt3Zv-e4n1M
I love how smart and accurate Russell Brand always is!!
Apparently Elon Musk now has active Starlink Stations in Ukraine and more stations are en route since they woke up without internet. But when you go on the website it's 500 for the hardware, 50 for taxes, 50 for shipping and it's 100 a MONTH to have.......That's far too expensive.
https://youtu.be/Nyvxt1svxso?t=89
But I so agree with George Carlin. I've watched this video countless times and man he was WAY ahead of his time.
Djoser
02-27-2022, 04:57 AM
NLAW is a British anti tank weapon they are using
Djoser
02-27-2022, 05:00 AM
It's impressive how the protests in Russia just keep going through these mass arrests, it's easy to condemn this war when you're outside of Russia but not as easy when you're inside and facing the consequences of standing up to the regime - yet people are doing it. The more I think about it the more impressed I am with Zelenskyy's choice of staying put too...
YES to both. Those protesters know they are going to get the shit kicked out of them.
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-27-2022, 05:15 AM
YES to both. Those protesters know they are going to get the shit kicked out of them.
They are remarkably brave people.
Djoser
02-27-2022, 05:19 AM
This guy is my new hero. Ex-boxer, ex mayor of Kiev and still a bigshot there, especially having 80 million in assets. And he's going to go kick some ass, it seems. No bonespurs I guess ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasiliy_Lomachenko
Cutie101
02-27-2022, 05:55 AM
I was watching the news where Biden said he wouldn't be having any US troops heading over there and now they are sending 7,000 troops to Europe. I'm lost with all of this and would like to be prepared in advance if things get really bad for us here lol. So sad hearing people are leaving to Poland to escape their current hell over there. I only have whatever info is posted on youtube to keep me updated.
Well, if you are in US, it's less likely for something to happen to you, since you're across the ocean (not that's 100% safe, but you know, they have time to detect threats). Meanwhile, I live near Ukraine and all the countries around it, are shitting our pants, because of what this mad man could do. If he drops a nuke on Ukraine, we're also erased from the map (no one knows exactly how powerful Satan 2 is).
Related to what US president did: as NATO country, he can't send troops to Ukraine directly, because that means USA gets involved in the war. If USA gets involved in the war, it drags the whole NATO block in and that's how WW3 starts. We don't fucking want that.
He sent troops here, in other Eastern Europe countries, that are part of NATO, you know... just in case. It's completely alright to do that, as time as they watch from within NATO borders and not touch Ukrainian ground.
As in financial help and weapon help, any NATO country can do that, to aid Ukraine, as time as they don't get involved physically.
Unfortunately, Ukraine is not in European Union, nor NATO and nobody can do anything but watch them and throw some financial/ weapon help, wait for reffugees at borders to help them out, but that's it. And as I said above, no one can help because it means NATO declares war and we are ALL fucked.
And NATO can't declare war for a country that's not in the team, because all of the countries will suffer.
Meanwhile, if russia fires a single firecracker towards any NATO country, they are fucked... whole NATO block comes for them.
At this point, it's a ping pong game and everyone hopes that they keep everything within Ukraine and it doesn't spread somehwere else.
Sorry for bad english, I tried to offer a simple explanation, so those who aren't familiar, to understand why Ukraine isn't properly helped with army, troops, tanks, etc.
honeybirdette
02-27-2022, 06:27 AM
Well, if you are in US, it's less likely for something to happen to you, since you're across the ocean (not that's 100% safe, but you know, they have time to detect threats). Meanwhile, I live near Ukraine and all the countries around it, are shitting our pants, because of what this mad man could do. If he drops a nuke on Ukraine, we're also erased from the map (no one knows exactly how powerful Satan 2 is).
Related to what US president did: as NATO country, he can't send troops to Ukraine directly, because that means USA gets involved in the war. If USA gets involved in the war, it drags the whole NATO block in and that's how WW3 starts. We don't fucking want that.
He sent troops here, in other Eastern Europe countries, that are part of NATO, you know... just in case. It's completely alright to do that, as time as they watch from within NATO borders and not touch Ukrainian ground.
As in financial help and weapon help, any NATO country can do that, to aid Ukraine, as time as they don't get involved physically.
Unfortunately, Ukraine is not in European Union, nor NATO and nobody can do anything but watch them and throw some financial/ weapon help, wait for reffugees at borders to help them out, but that's it. And as I said above, no one can help because it means NATO declares war and we are ALL fucked.
And NATO can't declare war for a country that's not in the team, because all of the countries will suffer.
Meanwhile, if russia fires a single firecracker towards any NATO country, they are fucked... whole NATO block comes for them.
At this point, it's a ping pong game and everyone hopes that they keep everything within Ukraine and it doesn't spread somehwere else.
Sorry for bad english, I tried to offer a simple explanation, so those who aren't familiar, to understand why Ukraine isn't properly helped with army, troops, tanks, etc.
is the uk part of nato or did they leave that bloc when brexit? i dont follow politics at all and sick to the back teeth of hearing about brexit.
Cutie101
02-27-2022, 06:37 AM
is the uk part of nato or did they leave that bloc when brexit? i dont follow politics at all and sick to the back teeth of hearing about brexit.
UK left European Union, not NATO.
NATO is more of a military organisation (formed between USA and some countries from Europe), meant to negotiate in case of conflicts and ultimately fight togheter if any of the countries, part of the organisation, is being attacked (larger and more detailed explanation here https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html).
European Union is an european internal system of common economical trades, rules and laws applied to all the countries that are part of it (large and detail explanation here https://op.europa.eu/webpub/com/eu-what-it-is/en/).
Cutie101
02-27-2022, 06:43 AM
This 100%. Zelensky has been one hell of a leader and IMHO his show of courage in the face of this invasion is what's holding the resistance together. Russia was expecting what so many large invaders often do - leadership to run and the boots on the ground to turn tail and hide. Instead they have found a country full of people willing to fight back and IMHO Zelensky gets a lot of credit for that.
The legend says that Zelensky can't leave, because there's no aircraft big enough to hold the size of his balls :))))
OmegaWest
02-27-2022, 06:47 AM
This guy is my new hero. Ex-boxer, ex mayor of Kiev and still a bigshot there, especially having 80 million in assets. And he's going to go kick some ass, it seems. No bonespurs I guess ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasiliy_Lomachenko
you had the wrong boxer this is the right one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wladimir_Klitschko
Bahuba
02-27-2022, 07:04 AM
Another among many tragedies in this situation is the fact that there are lots of good people in Russia and Belarus. They will be demonized for not stopping this war but if they try to protest they are subject to the standard fascist playbook: Label them terrorists and freeze their assets, take their jobs and jail them. They have very few options.
I had a lunch in Köln a while back for a bunch of colleagues from St. Petersburg, they were young and so full of optimism for the future - so ready to make positive change. They felt that things would be different from the gray past and that the world they had seen but never been able to reach would finally be open to them.
There is no way to balance that against newborns in a makeshift NICU, but war is a terrible thing, flinging tragedies hither and thither like rice at an evil wedding
Cutie101
02-27-2022, 07:22 AM
Another among many tragedies in this situation is the fact that there are lots of good people in Russia and Belarus. They will be demonized for not stopping this war
Only those who didn't live (or had parents/ family that lived) under comunism regimen, will have the ignorance and entitlement to blame the civilians for having such a goverment. Comunism is a fight for catching the day of tomorow, living at the edge of poverty, being blindfolded, denied information from around the world, constantly under threath of prison if you dare to lift a finger against the goverment. What people in Russia do right now with the protest is straight up crazy.
PS: For anyone interested in facts and history, look how brainwashed people in NK are. Literally worth 30 min to watch, you will see how mind blowing it gets when they reach the computers room, in that university. This was exactly the same 30 years ago, in Eastern Europe and still is in NK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrCQh1usdzE
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-27-2022, 07:26 AM
^ Yes definitely. What happens to people in North Korea is viscerally horrifying to me & I grew up in a part of the US where I got to see some pretty brutal shit (homelessness, gang life, etc.) The problem with Communist rule is it offers equal misery to all, and no real motivation to help one's fellow man.
On topic it's touching to see all the small ways Americans have been trying to support the Ukrainian people.
slowpoke
02-27-2022, 08:50 AM
" In December, he undercut one of the alliances' principals when he suggested that the US may not defend a fellow member if it came under attack."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-withdraw-from-nato-in-second-term-diplomats-worry-2
Hard to have confidence in a publisher that does not know the difference between principals and principles.
Bahuba
02-27-2022, 09:52 AM
He undercut one of their principal principles even
moneybags
02-27-2022, 12:02 PM
What a little bitch. These citizens are basically unarmed compared to the military, tanks, and flamethrowers Russia has, and he’s threatening to use nukes. I hope he burns in hell for all eternity.
https://youtu.be/3i3QU3R4JLo
DeathAndTaxes
02-27-2022, 03:57 PM
https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftUkraineCoTFeb27%2C2022.png
eagle2
02-27-2022, 06:31 PM
The EU and individual European countries are sending massive amounts of weapons to Ukraine, including fighter jets.
https://www.axios.com/eu-weapons-ukraine-russia-invasion-331bfcbc-5193-47b0-8afb-03f194d95619.html
eagle2
02-27-2022, 06:37 PM
Russia's currency is plummeting in value.
https://twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1497987741354799108
SnuffleUffleGrass
02-27-2022, 06:54 PM
I'm just throwing this out here since I live in a free country-
Lots of us joked about former President Trump being a "Manchurian Canidate." In essence his term in office was beneficial for Russia.
Could Putin have been planning this invasion even way before the Pandemic? Everyone knows Russia didn't report their Covid statistics truthfully.
Putin has also indicated in so many words he lives for the greater good of Russia. FWIW any leader would try to embody that truth.
Study history to understand the future.
rickdugan
02-27-2022, 07:12 PM
I'm just throwing this out here since I live in a free country-
Lots of us joked about former President Trump being a "Manchurian Canidate." In essence his term in office was beneficial for Russia.
Could Putin have been planning this invasion even way before the Pandemic? Everyone knows Russia didn't report their Covid statistics truthfully.
Putin has also indicated in so many words he lives for the greater good of Russia. FWIW any leader would try to embody that truth.
Study history to understand the future.
Undoubtedly he's wanted to do this for years. But not because Trump was good for Russia because nothing could be further from the truth. During the Trump years Russia got much poorer, Ukraine got stronger and Russian interests in places like Syria were challenged. I don't want to go on because of the political elements to this, but suffice it to say that Putin wanted this since he took power many years ago and just bided his time until he felt conditions were right.
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Luci Fer
02-27-2022, 07:51 PM
I'm just throwing this out here since I live in a free country-
Lots of us joked about former President Trump being a "Manchurian Canidate." In essence his term in office was beneficial for Russia.
Could Putin have been planning this invasion even way before the Pandemic? Everyone knows Russia didn't report their Covid statistics truthfully.
Putin has also indicated in so many words he lives for the greater good of Russia. FWIW any leader would try to embody that truth.
Study history to understand the future.
When asked in some interview (years ago) what in his opinion was the biggest mistake in russian history, he said: "the end of the ussr"
so...that's probably that's "greater good" to him.
I agree about studying history. He probably doesn't know it good enough though, since all that militarist shit mostly ended bad. Everyone loses something in this. When did it solve any conflict perfectly?
eagle2
02-27-2022, 08:57 PM
Undoubtedly he's wanted to do this for years. But not because Trump was good for Russia because nothing could be further from the truth. During the Trump years Russia got much poorer, Ukraine got stronger and Russian interests in places like Syria were challenged. I don't want to go on because of the political elements to this, but suffice it to say that Putin wanted this since he took power many years ago and just bided his time until he felt conditions were right.
No, Russia got richer under Trump, at least up until the pandemic, when every country got poorer.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=RU
Russian interest in Syria were not challenged. Trump pulled American troops out of Syria and let the Turks slaughter the Kurds. Trump is an isolationist. Before the invasion, Trump said Ukraine is a "European problem."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-weighs-ukraine-says-its-european-problem-1674178
It's unlikely Trump would have done anything. It would have been up to Congress.
eagle2
02-27-2022, 09:10 PM
One Ukrainian fighter pilot shot down 6 Russian planes in 30 hours! An amazing accomplishment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdqqOsyIx8
DeathAndTaxes
02-27-2022, 09:56 PM
One Ukrainian fighter pilot shot down 6 Russian planes in 30 hours! An amazing accomplishment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdqqOsyIx8
It is propaganda
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/who-is-the-ghost-of-kyiv-mig-29-pilot-who-shot-down-russian-su-35-creates-mystery-hope-articleshow.html
rickdugan
02-28-2022, 07:34 AM
No, Russia got richer under Trump, at least up until the pandemic, when every country got poorer.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=RU
Russian interest in Syria were not challenged. Trump pulled American troops out of Syria and let the Turks slaughter the Kurds. Trump is an isolationist. Before the invasion, Trump said Ukraine is a "European problem."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-weighs-ukraine-says-its-european-problem-1674178
It's unlikely Trump would have done anything. It would have been up to Congress.
Their GDP went down from 2018 to 2019, not up. That is a direct result of falling oil prices due to increased U.S. production.
Eric Stoner
02-28-2022, 09:49 AM
I wasn't able to find the article where I saw it, but I found this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10554269/Ukraine-DESTROYS-Russian-convoy-Zelenskys-troops-derail-Kremlin-push-Kyiv.html
Russia is a very poor country with limited money and resources. Russia has approximately 3 1/2 times as many people as California, but California's GDP is more than twice as big as Russia's. Russia will probably win in the end, but I'm starting to think Ukraine may have a chance to stop them, if the West continues to supply Ukraine with advanced weapons. Ukraine has Turkish drones that have been decimating Russian convoys:
https://twitter.com/Fawaz_lala/status/1496843753197555713
I doubt that Russia has anything as effective as Ukraine's Javelin missiles from the US and other NATO countries.
The sanctions are also having a major impact on Russia. I read that the US and Western Europe are starting to block some Russian banks from SWIFT. Europe is looking to alternatives for Russian oil and gas. For the first time ever, Western Europe is importing more LNG from ships, than natural gas from Russian pipelines. No matter how events in Ukraine turn out, Putin and Russia are going to be a lot worse off than they were before Putin started this war.
Twer it only true. Thanks to Biden's dampening U.S. gas and oil production AND European energy policies that shut down their own nuclear plants and increased their reliance on Russian oil and gas the prices for those and other commodities that are Putin's lifeblood have been going up. Putin was able to increase both Russian cash reserves as well as his own personal fortune over the past year or so. This will enable Russia , him and his cronies to withstand years of sanctions as CURRENTLY constituted. If, repeat IF the West gets really serious and shuts down ALL business with Russia's Central Bank AND ALL Russian banks AND cuts off ALL trade with Russia including energy and other commodities AND the various Western European countries stop trying for carve outs in the sanctions ( Belgian diamonds ; Italian luxury goods etc. ) AND they round up Putin's cronies and ship them back to Russia along with their maids , cooks and drivers then maybe Putin will rethink his invasion.
So far, the banking sanctions have only been partial involving some Russian commercial banks. The SWIFT system is simply a method of inter-bank communication . The pain from a cut-off will be minimal.
We can argue whether the incremental approach of Biden and our Western allies is the best approach. So far , the pain for Putin and those that matter in the Russian hierarchy has been minimal.
Eric Stoner
02-28-2022, 09:55 AM
Russia's currency is plummeting in value.
https://twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1497987741354799108
That's nice. That hurts the ordinary Russian. Putin and his cronies have billions in assets in Swiss and other banks and it's not in rubles.
Eric Stoner
02-28-2022, 09:57 AM
No, Russia got richer under Trump, at least up until the pandemic, when every country got poorer.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=RU
Russian interest in Syria were not challenged. Trump pulled American troops out of Syria and let the Turks slaughter the Kurds. Trump is an isolationist. Before the invasion, Trump said Ukraine is a "European problem."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-weighs-ukraine-says-its-european-problem-1674178
It's unlikely Trump would have done anything. It would have been up to Congress.
According to several sources Trump told Putin that if he invaded Ukraine Trump would bomb Moscow.
Look at the prices for oil and gas when Trump left office vs. a year later.
And Putin invaded AFTER our Afghanistan debacle and The Olympics were over. He weighed Biden and the West in the balance and both were found to be wanting.
Case closed.
DeathAndTaxes
02-28-2022, 10:11 AM
According to several sources Trump told Putin that if he invaded Ukraine Trump would bomb Moscow.
Look at the prices for oil and gas when Trump left office vs. a year later.
And Putin invaded AFTER our Afghanistan debacle and The Olympics were over. He weighed Biden and the West in the balance and both were found to be wanting.
Case closed.
I cannot stop laughing my ass off, I don't know what is fucking worse, the real Trump that would back the invasion (just like Bolsanaro is currently doing) or the fake Trump that threatened Moscow.
rickdugan
02-28-2022, 10:20 AM
Twer it only true. Thanks to Biden's dampening U.S. gas and oil production AND European energy policies that shut down their own nuclear plants and increased their reliance on Russian oil and gas the prices for those and other commodities that are Putin's lifeblood have been going up. Putin was able to increase both Russian cash reserves as well as his own personal fortune over the past year or so. This will enable Russia , him and his cronies to withstand years of sanctions as CURRENTLY constituted. If, repeat IF the West gets really serious and shuts down ALL business with Russia's Central Bank AND ALL Russian banks AND cuts off ALL trade with Russia including energy and other commodities AND the various Western European countries stop trying for carve outs in the sanctions ( Belgian diamonds ; Italian luxury goods etc. ) AND they round up Putin's cronies and ship them back to Russia along with their maids , cooks and drivers then maybe Putin will rethink his invasion.
So far, the banking sanctions have only been partial involving some Russian commercial banks. The SWIFT system is simply a method of inter-bank communication . The pain from a cut-off will be minimal.
We can argue whether the incremental approach of Biden and our Western allies is the best approach. So far , the pain for Putin and those that matter in the Russian hierarchy has been minimal.
This is the elephant in the room that I was trying to skirt around in order to avoid turning this political. We (the U.S. and EU) are quite literally paying for this war. Over 20% of U.S. gas imports came from Russia last year and I already outlined how horribly dependent the EU is.
Say what anyone will about Trump, but he saw this coming. His Administration supported American energy independence while urging Germany to wean itself off of Russian gas. Below is one of numerous articles on the topic.
https://fortune.com/2020/09/08/trump-pipeline-russia-germany-natural-gas-merkel-navalny-poisoned-nord-stream-2/
Getting our grid clean is a noble goal, but we are just nowhere near ready for it. Germany made itself reliant upon bad guys for its energy by blowing up its domestic production and we have started down the same road ourselves. Small wonder that Putin felt emboldened to attack the Ukraine when he did.
Our current leaders in the U.S. and EU should be ashamed of themselves not only for making this so much easier, but by finally agreeing to seriously aid the Ukraine only after its heroic resistance finally shamed them into it. After we so graciously paid for Putin's tanks and planes, the least we can do is pay for the weapons that the Ukraine uses to blow them up. ;)
eagle2
02-28-2022, 11:25 AM
Their GDP went down from 2018 to 2019, not up. That is a direct result of falling oil prices due to increased U.S. production.
No, GDP increased by 2.033% in 2019.
https://i.imgur.com/NTxltJQ.jpg
U.S. oil production decreased dramatically in 2020, when Trump was president. Please stop going off topic to praise Trump. Most of the people here don't share your views of him.
eagle2
02-28-2022, 11:33 AM
This is the elephant in the room that I was trying to skirt around in order to avoid turning this political. We (the U.S. and EU) are quite literally paying for this war. Over 20% of U.S. gas imports came from Russia last year and I already outlined how horribly dependent the EU is.
We were importing plenty of oil from Russia in 2019 and 2020.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M
Say what anyone will about Trump, but he saw this coming. His Administration supported American energy independence while urging Germany to wean itself off of Russian gas. Below is one of numerous articles on the topic.
No he didn't. Oil production had been going up since fracking was started in the 2000s. The trend was no different under Trump than under Obama. Oil production declined in 2020 because oil prices were down. That is the only major factor affecting US oil production. It cost more to produce oil in the US than other oil producing countries, so when the price goes down, so does US production. Oil production has greatly increased this past year.
Our current leaders in the U.S. and EU should be ashamed of themselves not only for making this so much easier, but by finally agreeing to seriously aid the Ukraine only after its heroic resistance finally shamed them into it. After we so graciously paid for Putin's tanks and planes, the least we can do is pay for the weapons that the Ukraine uses to blow them up. ;)
No, we were sending them weapons before Russia invaded, which is why they've been able to hold them off so far. If anyone should be ashamed, it should be Trump, for praising Putin and bashing Biden and European leaders who are helping Ukraine. I don't know what it is with you and Eric, that you have to turn every discussion into praising Trump and bashing Biden. PLEASE STOP WITH THE POLITICS.
Eric Stoner
02-28-2022, 12:01 PM
We were importing plenty of oil from Russia in 2019 and 2020.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M
No he didn't. Oil production had been going up since fracking was started in the 2000s. The trend was no different under Trump than under Obama. Oil production declined in 2020 because oil prices were down. That is the only major factor affecting US oil production. It cost more to produce oil in the US than other oil producing countries, so when the price goes down, so does US production. Oil production has greatly increased this past year.
No, we were sending them weapons before Russia invaded, which is why they've been able to hold them off so far. If anyone should be ashamed, it should be Trump, for praising Putin and bashing Biden and European leaders who are helping Ukraine. I don't know what it is with you and Eric, that you have to turn every discussion into praising Trump and bashing Biden. PLEASE STOP WITH THE POLITICS.
Look in the mirror Eagle and THEN accuse me or Rick or anyone else of being ( God Help Us ! ) political. Show us YOUR clean hands FIRST and then you get to point fingers. According to you it is just an amazing set of coincidences that the price of oil went way up under What's His Name and that we are now , currently , right this minute producing AT LEAST a million barrels a day less than before Covid. With higher prices we ought to be seeing higher production. Why aren't we ? It's also an amazing coincidence that Putin invaded After Biden botched the withdrawl from Afghanistan. And it's another amazing coincidence that the last three invasions by Putin occurred after a period of higher oil prices. Since you claim that You Know Who was so "buddy-buddy" with Putin, name one thing Obama did after Putin took over Crimea ? You tell us : Why didn't Putin invade when Trump was the
POTUS ?
It's true that we imported Russian oil. And we are still doing so. WHY ? Probably because the Idiot In Chief wants pain free sanctions that won't worsen inflation or oil prices here in the U.S. He COULD avoid that by encouraging more domestic production. Why doesn't he ?
That said , I will try to avoid further politicizing. The facts and history are commonly available and easy to find.
kamiliam
02-28-2022, 12:32 PM
That's nice. That hurts the ordinary Russian. Putin and his cronies have billions in assets in Swiss and other banks and it's not in rubles.
There are ways to hurt the oligarchs who have Putin's ear rather the everyday ordinary Russians. It would unfortunately hurt our western ones too, so not happening. Revoke Visas and properties, send yachts back. None of them want to be in Russia.
Instead we in this community, have onlyfans denying payment to Russian models as if they had anything to do with this.
eagle2
02-28-2022, 01:41 PM
Look in the mirror Eagle and THEN accuse me or Rick or anyone else of being ( God Help Us ! ) political. Show us YOUR clean hands FIRST and then you get to point fingers. According to you it is just an amazing set of coincidences that the price of oil went way up under What's His Name and that we are now , currently , right this minute producing AT LEAST a million barrels a day less than before Covid. With higher prices we ought to be seeing higher production. Why aren't we ? It's also an amazing coincidence that Putin invaded After Biden botched the withdrawl from Afghanistan. And it's another amazing coincidence that the last three invasions by Putin occurred after a period of higher oil prices. Since you claim that You Know Who was so "buddy-buddy" with Putin, name one thing Obama did after Putin took over Crimea ? You tell us : Why didn't Putin invade when Trump was the
POTUS ?
It's true that we imported Russian oil. And we are still doing so. WHY ? Probably because the Idiot In Chief wants pain free sanctions that won't worsen inflation or oil prices here in the U.S. He COULD avoid that by encouraging more domestic production. Why doesn't he ?
That said , I will try to avoid further politicizing. The facts and history are commonly available and easy to find.
I'm not the one who keeps bringing up Trump or calling the POTUS an idiot. I'm only responding when others do. You don't understand that just because someone doesn't do exactly what you want them to do, doesn't make them an idiot, but I get what you're saying. All the oil companies have to do is push a button, and the price of gas will go to $2 a gallon. The only thing that is keeping them from doing this is, Biden refuses to tell them to push that button. Extracting oil from shale is such a simple and cheap process, that oil companies can increase production production by 3 million barrels a day, overnight. That seems to be how the world works in your mind. It's inconceivable to you that the free market is working the way it's expected to. Changes take place gradually.
eagle2
02-28-2022, 01:45 PM
That's nice. That hurts the ordinary Russian. Putin and his cronies have billions in assets in Swiss and other banks and it's not in rubles.
Putin and his cronies are having their assets frozen.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/very-probable-that-swiss-will-freeze-russian-assets-president-2022-02-27/
AChildOfBoredom
02-28-2022, 04:38 PM
Photos of Russian TOS-1 systems in Belarus made their way to the Internet. It’s rocket artillery, mounted on a tank chassis, but with thermobaric warheads. It lets off and disperses a fuel mist which is then lit by a secondary ignition charge. And those who survive the fireball end up having their lungs quite literally ripped apart by the sudden pressure drop which follows. These were developed for clearing the Mujahadeen out of caves during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. They start using those against Ukrainian cities, it’s gonna be horrific in ways you really can’t describe with words.
And even though China’s official stance is a neutral one, the Wumaos seem to be hard at work on Reddit and elsewhere with pro-Russia sentiments.
moneybags
02-28-2022, 04:50 PM
There are ways to hurt the oligarchs who have Putin's ear rather the everyday ordinary Russians. It would unfortunately hurt our western ones too, so not happening. Revoke Visas and properties, send yachts back. None of them want to be in Russia.
Instead we in this community, have onlyfans denying payment to Russian models as if they had anything to do with this.
Spankpay-it’s bitcoin for adult workers? I agree we should support all models regardless of their nationality. In general, it’s the rich and powerful that start this shit and the rest of us are just trying to get by in life.
kamiliam
02-28-2022, 04:58 PM
Spankpay-it’s bitcoin for adult workers? I agree we should support all models regardless of their nationality. In general, it’s the rich and powerful that start this shit and the rest of us are just trying to get by in life.
looks like they restored it today was down all weekend. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/onlyfans-russia-putin-ukraine-invasion-1313259/
eagle2
02-28-2022, 08:53 PM
Anastasiia Lenna, Miss Ukraine 2015:
https://i.imgur.com/1URR4cK.jpg
Anastasiia Lenna, 2022:
https://i.imgur.com/9Xu2mWc.jpg
Ukrainians are badass!
LoveyD
02-28-2022, 10:12 PM
^^ I'm very proud to be of Ukrainian heritage. I used to take Ukrainian folk dancing lessons when I was a little girl. My dance group used to perform at the Ukrainian festival in the summer at our church every year. The festivals were fun. I worked the kid"s game booths while all the old farts got drunk and danced to polka music. That was fun. They even gambled at the festival. And they had vodka and pierogis and kielbasa. Good times!
DeathAndTaxes
03-01-2022, 12:18 AM
Anastasiia Lenna, Miss Ukraine 2015:
https://i.imgur.com/1URR4cK.jpg
Anastasiia Lenna, 2022:
https://i.imgur.com/9Xu2mWc.jpg
Ukrainians are badass!
That is an airsoft gun, there so much propaganda on both sides it is embarrassing.
Cutie101
03-01-2022, 01:32 AM
A 40 miles long Russian military convoy is approaching Kiyv.
Source: https://www.axios.com/satellite-image-russian-troops-approach-kyiv-15cd8239-89a1-4c81-96fc-e433102643ba.html
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877
Source: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220228-live-kyiv-residents-take-shelter-amidst-reports-of-russian-air-strike
laurielegs
03-01-2022, 01:51 AM
Really don't think these soldiers are being forced to say these things. Multiple vids out there from many different sources (especially in the first hours of their arrival before the attacks began) with soldiers commenting they were told they were to be just doing "military exercises".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47eNyXmPDo
Cutie101
03-01-2022, 02:24 AM
Really don't think these soldiers are being forced to say these things. Multiple vids out there from many different sources (especially in the first hours of their arrival before the attacks began) with soldiers commenting they were told they were to be just doing "military exercises".
There is massive propaganda in Russia, in general. Almost no one knows what's going on outside the borders, since every single TV channel and website is being controlled by the goverment. I am pretty much convinced some have been lied about what they had to do, some figured out, etc.
I pretty much remember those times since, till 2000's, the country was still wearing the comunist coat, altough it was a democracy. In the 2000's my country enterted European Union and it started becoming modern and life much better. My parents caught the soviet comunism and it was a massive brainwash. For example, you'd go to jail if you were caught trying to listen any western european radio station and in general, anything outside the soviet block was promoted to be bad and evil.
Those soldiers are not far from it, altough they have access to internet, we pretty much know how ignorant people still are, despite the fact that they hold in their hands, access to the whole history and human knowdlege.