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Genoveve
04-05-2022, 11:59 AM
If people were purely logical beings, it would be impossible for Will to resent Jada, because Will consented to her affair. But, people are not purely logical. Anyway, how do we even know he really 'consented'? Do you really believe Jada would not have had a romantic/sexual relationship with August, unless Will gave his "consent" to it? Give me a break! It was more like an ultimatum. Will had two options: he could consent and make this a story about an open-minded enlightened individual, or, if he did not consent, Jada would have had the affair anyway, and the story would have been about Will being a sad cuckold.

1.) The 'affair' BS has been addressed in this thread numerous times, the Smiths have an open marriage and it was not an affair. 2.) How do you know "it was more like an ultimatum?" 3.) I did some reading yesterday Will and Jada have denied that Will 'gave the affair permission' and said that the August relationship happened during a time when they were separated and the both of them were doing their own thing.


Even assuming Will did consent, people are emotional beings. The public emasculation may cause him to reconsider or see things in a different light. Moreover, in her interview, Jada said very unflattering things about Will and she said August made her feel alive and happy again. Those words must sting every time the subject is brought up.

I have no doubt that Will has some resentment against Jada.

Again if this is you explaining why Will specifically resenting Jada to where him committing domestic violence against her is a real possibility, it doesn't. All Will has done is stand by Jada, defend Jada and co-sign everything she says and does, and as far as I know he has no history of violence against women. Sure, he *could* decide to lash out at Jada and hit her, but I have seen nothing to convince me that that is anything he would ever do. Aliens *could* be so sick of the Will and Jada drama playing out on planet Earth that they decide to come down, abduct Will and Jada and replace them with some less-controversial clones, but that doesn't mean it's a likely possibility.

Vyanka
04-05-2022, 12:55 PM
Funny how men feel uncomfortable with women choosing to be in open relationships, yet it's all good and game for men ONLY...NO judgement there. That slap has nothing to do with their relationship. I suspect it's something else we don't know about. Like a last straw type of reason. Idk. Just by observation. I do wonder if Will would smack another comedian if he/she delivered that same joke?

eagle2
04-05-2022, 02:07 PM
If people were purely logical beings, it would be impossible for Will to resent Jada, because Will consented to her affair. But, people are not purely logical. Anyway, how do we even know he really 'consented'? Do you really believe Jada would not have had a romantic/sexual relationship with August, unless Will gave his "consent" to it? Give me a break! It was more like an ultimatum. Will had two options: he could consent and make this a story about an open-minded enlightened Will Smith, or, if he did not consent, Jada would have had the affair anyway, and the story would have been about Will Smith being a sad cuckold.

Even assuming Will did consent, people are emotional beings. The public emasculation may cause him to reconsider or see things in a different light. Moreover, in her interview, Jada said very unflattering things about Will and she said August made her feel alive and happy again. Those words must sting every time the subject is brought up.

I have no doubt that Will has some resentment against Jada.

Another possible theory: It just came out that August is going to publish a book about the affair. Surely, Jada had advanced notice of this and shared the information with Will. Could this have played a role? I suspect the book will be a damsel in distress story about Jada stuck in a loveless marriage to Will and how August rescued Jada by making her feel alive and happy again. The book will emasculate Will and leave him desperate to prove his masculinity. Suddenly, he gets the opportunity to 'stand up' for his wife as her protector in front of the whole world. He also gets to make a speech about how love makes you do crazy things. The timing, right before the launch of August's book, could not be more perfect.

I think people are trying to read things into this and make it more complex than what it is. The most likely explanation is, Chris Rock's joke about Will's wife made Will very angry, so he vented his anger by walking up on stage and smacking Chris, and then cursing him out from his seat. It's possible there was already resentment towards Chris, based on jokes he's made about Jada in the past, or else this one joke just set him off.

eagle2
04-05-2022, 02:10 PM
Funny how men feel uncomfortable with women choosing to be in open relationships, yet it's all good and game for men ONLY...NO judgement there. That slap has nothing to do with their relationship. I suspect it's something else we don't know about. Like a last straw type of reason. Idk. Just by observation. I do wonder if Will would smack another comedian if he/she delivered that same joke?

I do too. It's possible that Will already resented Chris Rock over things he's said in the past. There's no way to know for sure. We'll probably never get a chance to find out because I doubt very much they'll ever put Will Smith in the front row for the Academy Awards again.

techqueen
04-06-2022, 03:19 AM
After all this talk about how he was supposedly defending Jada, Jada has come out to say thinks he overreacted and she wishes he didn’t slap Chris. This after his projects are being put on hold. Hmm gee I wonder what’s wrong with this picture. Even his own wife won’t defend him and has decided to throw him under the bus. Why am I not surprised? Doing the “right thing” for the wrong person will always be the wrong thing.

This just just goes to show how easily misled people are especially by their emotions. Among my friends we’re all in agreement that reacting in that way in front of a live audience is just plain dumb. I feel that the women who truly believe that this is how a man is supposed to behave are reacting from a place of hurt and frustration with men. It is not normal or heroic to go around hitting someone for saying something “mean” to you. Will Smith pretty much played himself.

I love how the article says “they agree he overreacted” lmao. This guy is being gaslighted and is gaslighting himself. This is what happens to abused women every single day. He provoked you, you react and then it’s baby I didn’t mean to, i shouldn’t have, its my fault. When we all know that it was the look she gave him that caused him to act out. He has no idea what he’s gotten himself into even with all that money he’s lost.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jada-pinkett-smith-wishes-will-smith-didnt-slap-chris-rock/amp/

techqueen
04-06-2022, 03:29 AM
If people were purely logical beings, it would be impossible for Will to resent Jada, because Will consented to her affair. But, people are not purely logical. Anyway, how do we even know he really 'consented'? Do you really believe Jada would not have had a romantic/sexual relationship with August, unless Will gave his "consent" to it? Give me a break! It was more like an ultimatum. Will had two options: he could consent and make this a story about an open-minded enlightened Will Smith, or, if he did not consent, Jada would have had the affair anyway, and the story would have been about Will Smith being a sad cuckold.

Even assuming Will did consent, people are emotional beings. The public emasculation may cause him to reconsider or see things in a different light. Moreover, in her interview, Jada said very unflattering things about Will and she said August made her feel alive and happy again. Those words must sting every time the subject is brought up.

I have no doubt that Will has some resentment against Jada.

Another possible theory: It just came out that August is going to publish a book about the affair. Surely, Jada had advanced notice of this and shared the information with Will. Could this have played a role? I suspect the book will be a damsel in distress story about Jada stuck in a loveless marriage to Will and how August rescued Jada by making her feel alive and happy again. The book will emasculate Will and leave him desperate to prove his masculinity. Suddenly, he gets the opportunity to 'stand up' for his wife as her protector in front of the whole world. He also gets to make a speech about how love makes you do crazy things. The timing, right before the launch of August's book, could not be more perfect.
Spot on.
Annnnd after he said allll that, she tells “an insider” that she doesn’t need protecting pretty much throwing the poor guy and his speech under the bus. I stand by what I said early on in this thread. This woman isn’t worth losing everything over. Nope.

miss.a.p1600
04-06-2022, 06:21 AM
It’s not a game, it’s you literally making false accusations now. Insulted you how? Because I said I found what you said to be random and weird? I did and that was a flat-out statement, not a ‘slick insult.’ Because I said “Ummm, what?” That’s very typical of my writing/speaking style and I’m not sure how that could be perceived as a ‘slick insult’ either. That’s like my version of ‘Hold up—-WHAT??’ So yeah, if you can’t handle being debated on a discussion forum I don’t know what to tell you.

No it’s you gaslighting and following me around the forum baiting me into arguments which I find very antagonistic. I told you in the ladies only threads a couple of days ago that I am not interested in debating.

I’m not interested in mud slinging types of “debates” So you should have left it alone. But here you are again in the third thread hassling me for no valid reason.

I said what was posted before by other members (someone mentioned how people are more outraged by a man slapping another man than they are against the countless domestic violence acts against women and other people have mentioned him possibly feeling angry about supposedly being emasculated).

I don’t find what I said any weirder than what you or anyone else has said

Besides I don’t want to debate moderators of the forum and I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s appropriate for moderators to engage in debates with forum members because things can go sideways and their is no fairness there.

I am open for constructive feedback and i have no problem admitting when I’m wrong or editing my posts if it offends someone but everything else that has nothing to do with the topic at hand is unnecessary waste of my time.

miss.a.p1600
04-06-2022, 07:02 AM
There are also videos on yt with people analyzing their body language.

It was mentioned before in this thread about how she appeared to be laughing after the slap. While it’s possible it was confusion/nervous laughter, what WAS noticed was how she didn’t check on her husband to see if he was okay after that.

I wonder what people who are close to them and know them very well think about this whole fiasco.

SnuffleUffleGrass
04-06-2022, 08:51 AM
Such total stupidity....................bread and circuses, amirite?

DeathAndTaxes
04-06-2022, 12:04 PM
Wow being thrown under the bus like that... I would have dumped her today.

Question for the women here, my reaction would have been to heckle him, essentially mocking CR for reusing his decades old material. Is that enough? I would never initiate violence except in self defense (for both of us), but not going to lie my worry is how she sees me, not the physical danger.

Sam38g
04-06-2022, 02:57 PM
There is definitely some tension in his feelings about Jada's (consentual) affair.

Let me explain Miss' point with an example. Suppose a guy, Adam, dates a dancer, Jane, and he really likes her and he is fine with her dancing. But, within a few days his friends start teasing him about it. He is chilling with his friends and one of them, Steve, asks him, "Dude, you let your girl grind on other dudes' junk? Man, I would never put up with that shit from my lady!" Another friend says, "Yo Adam, I'm going to see your girl tonight. I'm bringing lots of cash, bruh. Can't wait for her to rub them titties on my face like she did last time." Another friend asks him, "Yo Adam, does she have sex with guys in the VIP room? I've heard strippers do everything in the VIP room."

In this example, Adam ends up resenting Jane, even though he had no issue with her dancing. The comments from his peers have been negative and emasculating. Eventually, one more joke is going to push him over the edge Adam is going to blow up at either Jane or the comedian that jokes about Jane's stripper hair.

We can say & know how we would react, but you can't make that assumption for others. They are in an open relationship, which has been well known for a very long time publicly and them playing with others in my industry even longer.
Considering they both have had many of different sexual partners over the past ten years OR MORE and coming the this conclusion is laughable and very much rooted in misogyny.

Shows how many of you really don't get the concept of an open marriage.

Genoveve
04-06-2022, 05:38 PM
After all this talk about how he was supposedly defending Jada, Jada has come out to say thinks he overreacted and she wishes he didn’t slap Chris.

Well I mean, Will has said the same thing so it would be weird if she made a statement contradicting his.

Genoveve
04-06-2022, 05:52 PM
No it’s you gaslighting and following me around the forum baiting me into arguments which I find very antagonistic. I told you in the ladies only threads a couple of days ago that I am not interested in debating.

1.) Gaslighting means trying to make someone think they are insane, so not sure how I'm doing that to you, 2.) I assumed your response was for that subject, you're welcome to not respond to me. ETA how am I 'following you around the forum?' Haven't I conversed with you in 2 threads over the course of DAYS?


I’m not interested in mud slinging types of “debates” So you should have left it alone. But here you are again in the third thread hassling me for no valid reason.

"Mud slinging" and "hassling?" Sorry but I think that's completely inaccurate. Like I said, this is just what you interpet any challenge to your opinion as.


I said what was posted before by other members (someone mentioned how people are more outraged by a man slapping another man than they are against the countless domestic violence acts against women and other people have mentioned him possibly feeling angry about supposedly being emasculated).

I don't see how what you wrote compares at all to the previous mentions of domestic violence.


I don’t find what I said any weirder than what you or anyone else has said.

I'm sure you don't, that's why I said it and not you.


Besides I don’t want to debate moderators of the forum and I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s appropriate for moderators to engage in debates with forum members because things can go sideways and their is no fairness there.

You are wrong. They're allowed to participate in debates just like everyone else and call out inappropriate behavior like everyone else and if anyone has been unfairly giving you infractions or something I'm sure you would know about it.


I am open for constructive feedback and i have no problem admitting when I’m wrong or editing my posts if it offends someone but everything else that has nothing to do with the topic at hand is unnecessary waste of my time.

What did I say that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread? Do you mean after I responded to you saying I was insulting you? I'm not sure what you want, do you want me to never respond to any of your posts ever again? Because unless you're breaking rules I can do that.

Genoveve
04-06-2022, 05:59 PM
I did find it suspect when she was posting pictures of him on instagram and referring to him as her "son".

I haven't been able to find any of these, can you find any screencaps?

techqueen
04-07-2022, 03:29 AM
Well I mean, Will has said the same thing so it would be weird if she made a statement contradicting his.

He clearly doesn't have a mind of his own. He's a good little foot soldier.

techqueen
04-07-2022, 03:45 AM
I haven't been able to find any of these, can you find any screencaps?

I'm sure Jada deleted the pics on her page. I'm not sure if August did. I'll see what I can find. I'm sure there are several blogs that have talked about this - the way she befriended him through jaden and how August was vacationing with them. They had lots of vacation pics together. In several of those pictures she referring to him as "my son".

Just found this. Doesn't have the my son caption but it goes way back and puts things into perspective.
https://www.vulture.com/2022/04/will-smith-jada-pinkett-smith-august-alsina-timeline.html

Genoveve
04-07-2022, 09:57 AM
^^^I read that the other day, I didn’t find anything creepy in it and it has her not befriending him through Jaden. Maybe you’ll be able to find some actual screenshots, maybe not though because not only can I find none but I haven’t found anything where anyone is even referencing them.


He clearly doesn't have a mind of his own. He's a good little foot soldier.

Would not say that this is ‘clear’ at all.

jack0177057
04-07-2022, 03:45 PM
1.) The 'affair' BS has been addressed in this thread numerous times, the Smiths have an open marriage and it was not an affair. 2.) How do you know "it was more like an ultimatum?" 3.) I did some reading yesterday Will and Jada have denied that Will 'gave the affair permission' and said that the August relationship happened during a time when they were separated and the both of them were doing their own thing.

Which one is it? They have an open marriage or they were separated at the time? And, why is there even a discussion about consent? The question of consent would be a moot point if they had an open marriage or were separated at the time. I don't think this is a clean as you think. Celebrities have agents and PR people that try to give things a spin to do damage control. This sounds to me like Will trying to save face by making him out to be an enlightened open-minded 21st century gentleman, and a spin to avoid Jada being regarded as an adulterer. She did not even want to use the word "relationship", it was an "entanglement". Why play with semantics if (a) there was an open-marriage, or (b) they were separated at the time?

Anyway, you admit that Will has been emasculated. The difference is that you think the MEDIA emasculated him and you completely exonerate Jada and say she played absolutely no role in Will's emasculation. Okay, let's assume you are right. It doesn't mean that, at some point, Will's mind stray from logic and think, "Damn, if Jada had kept her legs closed, or been real discreet about her relationship with August, the media wouldn't be humiliating and emasculating me!"


Again if this is you explaining why Will specifically resenting Jada to where him committing domestic violence against her is a real possibility, it doesn't. All Will has done is stand by Jada, defend Jada and co-sign everything she says and does, and as far as I know he has no history of violence against women. Sure, he *could* decide to lash out at Jada and hit her, but I have seen nothing to convince me that that is anything he would ever do. Aliens *could* be so sick of the Will and Jada drama playing out on planet Earth that they decide to come down, abduct Will and Jada and replace them with some less-controversial clones, but that doesn't mean it's a likely possibility.

This was Miss' theory. I am just saying that it is not that far fetched.

Obviously, there was a lot more to Will's lashing out then just a stupid hair joke. Something has been eating up at him. My guess (it is just a guess) is that he heard that August's book is coming out and he felt the need to prove something BEFORE it is released. No doubt that the book will portray Will very negatively. When we read in the book that Will neglected Jada and did nothing to nurture or protect her, we will react like this: "No way, man! I saw Will punch Chris just for making a dumb hair joke about Jada! Will cried on stage and said his love of Jada makes him to crazy things! Will worships Jada! I can't believe anything in this book by August is true."

We just need to wait and see what comes out in August's book. Normally, I don't give $hit about celebrity gossip, but, I might make an exception for this and read the book.

dpacrkk
04-07-2022, 03:58 PM
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Genoveve
04-07-2022, 04:25 PM
Which one is it? They have an open marriage or they were separated at the time?


Why play with semantics if (a) there was an open-marriage, or (b) they were separated at the time?

As far as I am aware they are not playing with semantics in regards to this, the public is. Will and Jada have never said that their marriage classifies as an "open" one, I think they've even denied it in the past. But it's the public who, when looking at both of their behavior throughout the relationship and what they've said about it, has described it that way. They might not call what they seem to have going on an open relationship, but most people would.


And, why is there even a discussion about consent? The question of consent would be a moot point if they had an open marriage or were separated at the time.

According to them there wasn't, hence what I posted.


Anyway, you admit that Will has been emasculated. The difference is that you think the MEDIA emasculated him and you completely exonerate Jada and say she played absolutely no role in Will's emasculation

I have not completely exonerated Jada:


I do agree that him basically being completely emasculated all over social media for the last couple years is the cause of said pent up anger and I do agree that this is mostly thanks to Jada constantly spilling all their business.

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Okay, let's assume you are right. It doesn't mean that, at some point, Will's mind stray from logic and think, "Damn, if Jada had kept her legs closed, or been real discreet about her relationship with August, the media wouldn't be humiliating and emasculating me!"

She was discrete about it; August was the one who blew the lid off the story and she did initially try to deny it. Idk why Will would want her to "keep her legs closed" when again the August relationship happened when they were on a break and Will said he was 'done with her,' and 'doing him.' So again Will's behavior doesn't match your proposed narrative, I think it speaks more to how YOU would feel if you were in the position you perceive Will to be in.


This was Miss' theory. I am just saying that it is not that far fetched.

And I still completely disagree.


Obviously, there was a lot more to Will's lashing out then just a stupid hair joke. Something has been eating up at him. My guess (it is just a guess) is that he heard that August's book is coming out and he felt the need to prove something BEFORE it is released. No doubt that the book will portray Will very negatively. When we read in the book that Will neglected Jada and did nothing to nurture or protect her, we will react like this: "No way, man! I saw Will punch Chris just for making a dumb hair joke about Jada! Will cried on stage and said his love of Jada makes him to crazy things! Will worships Jada! I can't believe anything in this book by August is true."

You never know, but I think this theory would require quite a bit of pre-meditation and would require Will to have known that a Jada joke was imminent.

eagle2
04-07-2022, 04:25 PM
Which one is it? They have an open marriage or they were separated at the time?


It doesn't have to be one or the other. It could be both. They could have been in an open marriage, but were separated at the time Jada was involved with August.




Obviously, there was a lot more to Will's lashing out then just a stupid hair joke. Something has been eating up at him. My guess (it is just a guess) is that he heard that August's book is coming out and he felt the need to prove something BEFORE it is released. No doubt that the book will portray Will very negatively. When we read in the book that Will neglected Jada and did nothing to nurture or protect her, we will react like this: "No way, man! I saw Will punch Chris just for making a dumb hair joke about Jada! Will cried on stage and said his love of Jada makes him to crazy things! Will worships Jada! I can't believe anything in this book by August is true."

We just need to wait and see what comes out in August's book. Normally, I don't give $hit about celebrity gossip, but, I might make an exception for this and read the book.

I don't think there is. This isn't something Will spent weeks planning out. It was something that happened in a matter of seconds. Will heard a joke about his wife that made him very angry, and that's why he hit Chris and cursed him out.

Genoveve
04-07-2022, 04:32 PM
^^Jinx

Djoser
04-07-2022, 08:55 PM
Funny how men feel uncomfortable with women choosing to be in open relationships, yet it's all good and game for men ONLY...NO judgement there. That slap has nothing to do with their relationship. I suspect it's something else we don't know about. Like a last straw type of reason. Idk. Just by observation. I do wonder if Will would smack another comedian if he/she delivered that same joke?

"...a last straw..." I'd say so too.

As far as the open relationship double standards, also agreed--and most of the open relationships I've seen were also heavily skewed in favor of the guys getting some. There's always exceptions, I suppose.

I am more glad than ever I don't watch television, I'm already way past sick to death of Jada and the two boys. Truthfully I'd never heard of her before all the memes a year or two ago.

techqueen
04-08-2022, 04:17 AM
^^^I read that the other day, I didn’t find anything creepy in it and it has her not befriending him through Jaden. Maybe you’ll be able to find some actual screenshots, maybe not though because not only can I find none but I haven’t found anything where anyone is even referencing them.


Believe it or not, I have a full life outside of this website. There’s no incentive for me to make something like that up. I’ve always followed Will, Jada and their kids on Instagram. Why, I’m not sure. I think they’re interesting. I also follow the red table on facebook so when all of this was going down I was getting the gist in real time. Noone’s calling her a predator for preying on a man that was/is mentally/chronically ill while claiming she was helping him? Yes they are. Just about everyone on the interweb who’s privy to the situation is. So I’m not sure how not being able to find the caption where she referred to him as “my son” proves or disproves the fact that she’s a predator. If it’s not on her Instagram, she took it down. I don’t have her info to ask why she took it down. I just know what I and others saw with our own eyes. And forgive me if I’m wrong but I have a feeling you’d still try to disprove the facts if you found the caption where she referred to August as her son. There’s literally not that big of a gap between “he’s my son and I’m fucking him in hopes of healing him” and “ He’s my student/protege/whatever and I’m fucking him in hopes of healing him”. If a man did this he would be shunned into oblivion and under someone’s jail for abuse.

If you’re saying you find nothing creepy about her and the August situation then we most likely wouldn’t agree on anything anyway lol.

Genoveve
04-08-2022, 09:20 AM
^^^I never said you made it up, you might just be misinformed like how I was when I was assuming she met August through him being friends with Jaden. Whether or not you can prove that she used to refer to him as her son would not prove whether or not she was a predator because that wouldn’t need to happen in order for her to be a predator. Also I would not try to disprove screen shots, unless they were obviously fake I don’t know how I would even be able to or why I would want to.

I don’t think the Jada-August relationship was the healthiest thing in the world, especially for him, and I’m not a fan of big age gaps like that no matter the sexes, but at the end of the day he was not a minor and as far as I’m aware he has not accused Jada of being a predator. So I can’t assume she was acting incestuously and grooming him because of what one person with no back-up is saying on a forum.

And as far as you knowing what you saw, it is still very weird to me that there’s no screen caps seeing as how once you put something on the Internet it’s there for forever, especially with celebrities, and especially considering how that family always goes viral for their relationship dynamics and especially when people have been really having it out for Jada the last few years.


Just about everyone on the interweb who’s privy to the situation is.

Who do you mean here? The regular people online who are following the drama or people who actually personally know the Smiths and August that have been weighing in online?

eagle2
04-08-2022, 12:25 PM
Will Smith Barred From All Academy Events for 10 Years After Oscars Slap

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/smith-barred-academy-events-10-185652985.html

techqueen
04-08-2022, 01:37 PM
Yup his career is over.

Genoveve
04-08-2022, 01:54 PM
^^I highly disagree.

jack0177057
04-08-2022, 02:55 PM
This isn't something Will spent weeks planning out. It was something that happened in a matter of seconds. Will heard a joke about his wife that made him very angry, and that's why he hit Chris and cursed him out.

Obviously, he did not know the opportunity to be the 'protective crazy-in-love husband' would present itself. It was a gift from the universe and he jumped on it.

jack0177057
04-08-2022, 03:00 PM
It doesn't have to be one or the other. It could be both. They could have been in an open marriage, but were separated at the time Jada was involved with August.

Yeah, but, you kind of missed the point.

It is like if a pit bull bites you and you sue me believing that it is my dog, and that I was negligent in not keeping it confined in my backyard. I say, "It did not bite you! If it bite you, it was barely a nibble! And, it is not my dog." I am over-defending myself. I could just say it is not my dog. But, the harder I defend myself, the more it seems that it IS my dog.

Jada did not cheat on Will, they had an open marriage... and, they were separated at the time,... and, Will consented,... and, it wasn't a relationship, just an entanglement,... and,...

Genoveve
04-08-2022, 03:04 PM
^^^Yeah but I don’t think their response echoes that. Jada said her and August had a relationship while they were on a break and thought their marriage was done at the time, Will said her and August had a relationship while they were on a break and thought their marriage was done at the time.

jack0177057
04-08-2022, 03:22 PM
^^^ Well then, that is adultery. As a person that has been married more than 25 years, there have been multiple times that a big fight led to us taking a break and feeling like the marriage was 'done'. That is a time for clearing your head, deep reflection, weighing all the facts, and making a final decision (work harder to make it work or call it quits). It is not a time to hop into bed with someone new. Thank God neither my wife nor I exploited the break to screw someone new, like Jada did. If either one of us thought that a break gave us a pass for infidelity, we would not still be together.

Sam38g
04-08-2022, 03:30 PM
His movies make money and that means more than any award. His career is far from over, he is box office gold. Plus there are so many movies, tv show being created on all kinds of channels. It is easy for even DList actors to get acting jobs. So there is no way his career is over.


And if all else fails, there is Dancing with the Stars. LOL

After all well known rapist still get acting jobs, pedophiles still get directing jobs so I hardly think one single slap could end a career. It is very difficult for an A list actor or director to become box office poison.

Genoveve
04-08-2022, 03:39 PM
^^^ Well then, that is adultery.

Well, Will seems to be okay with it. They got back together afterwards.


As a person that has been married more than 25 years, there have been multiple times that a big fight led to us taking a break and feeling like the marriage was 'done'. That is a time for clearing your head, deep reflection, weighing all the facts, and making a final decision. It is not a time to hop into bed with someone new. Thank God neither my wife nor I exploited the break to screw someone new, like Jada did. If either one of us thought that a break gave us a pass for infidelity, we would not still be together.

Well, again, Will said they thought that they were done and that 'she did her and he did him,' which I think is him implying that he had was 'adulterous' as well. Also during their Red Table Talk Will made a joke to her about how she was going to get her back for her and August, and she said something about how he had already done more than enough to get her back and he agreed, so it sounds like they're talking about his 'adultery' again. And again, Will has been linked with other women before the August incident so it still seems like you're going off of a completely inaccurate perception of their relationship. You're holding her to a way different standard than Will does.

DeathAndTaxes
04-08-2022, 04:09 PM
Believe it or not, I have a full life outside of this website. There’s no incentive for me to make something like that up.

Asking for sources is not about calling anyone out, it is not about lies either, it is about getting at the truth, lets face it everyone here has played the game of telephone, did you lie when you played? the truth gets distorted the more people it hops through, so might as well get closer to the source.


Obviously, there was a lot more to Will's lashing out then just a stupid hair joke. Something has been eating up at him. My guess (it is just a guess) is that he heard that August's book is coming out and he felt the need to prove something BEFORE it is released. No doubt that the book will portray Will very negatively. When we read in the book that Will neglected Jada and did nothing to nurture or protect her, we will react like this: "No way, man! I saw Will punch Chris just for making a dumb hair joke about Jada! Will cried on stage and said his love of Jada makes him to crazy things! Will worships Jada! I can't believe anything in this book by August is true."

I think Genoveve posted a link that tried to do a better job at understanding his thought process, in his autobiography he stated basically that he felt inferior for not standing up to the women in his life, that he felt emasculated, I can certainly relate. That said I learned long ago that most women do not want neanderthal behavior that makes things worse, essentially descalation when possible (heckling, drowning out, changing the subject) not a slap...

People are reacting this way because he used physical violence, society has a clear line around this.

eagle2
04-08-2022, 05:38 PM
His movies make money and that means more than any award. His career is far from over, he is box office gold. Plus there are so many movies, tv show being created on all kinds of channels. It is easy for even DList actors to get acting jobs. So there is no way his career is over.


And if all else fails, there is Dancing with the Stars. LOL

After all well known rapist still get acting jobs, pedophiles still get directing jobs so I hardly think one single slap could end a career. It is very difficult for an A list actor or director to become box office poison.

I think it's too early to say. Producers may decide it's not worth the risk to cast him. Sony has already put Bad Boys 4 on hold, and Netflix cancelled a project that Will Smith had been working on. They lost the director, but decided not to resume production.

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2022/04/sony-reportedly-puts-bad-boys-4-on-pause-after-will-smiths-oscars-slap/

It's not just a matter of there being one slap. It's also the fact that millions of people saw it, as well as Will cursing out Chris from his seat. One of the major reasons why Will became so popular is he's always come across as very likeable. He generally gets the "good guy" roles. A lot will also depend on if people still see him that way. Perhaps this whole thing will blow over after a couple months and he'll be able to resume his career, but it's also possible that many people won't forget what happened, and won't want to cast him or see his movies. At the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air reunion, when the first Aunt Viv, Janet Hubert, reconciled with Will, she said calling a black woman "difficult" is the kiss of death in Hollywood. The question is, will producers see Will as "difficult" after this incident? It's possible producers may decide Will is worth the risk, based on how well his movies have done at the box office, and people will still continue to see his movies, but there is no way to know for sure. I think we'll have a better idea, once Sony decides whether or not to move forward with Bad Boys 4. If Sony decides to go through with it, and it does well at the box office, he'll most likely get his career back. If Sony decides to drop it, or it they release it and it's a box office flop, it could be very hard for Will to recover.

techqueen
04-08-2022, 06:04 PM
LOL. Some of you just don't get it.

Will Smith is black.

Will Smith cannot smack someone and get away with it because he's black.

He must be hanged. His career must be destroyed. His name must be tarnished.

If you think Will Smith's career is going to skate, just sit and watch. The biggest crime Will Smith committed on that stage was being black on a Sunday night.

Roman Polanski drugged and sodomized a child and Harvey Weinstein raped women in Hollywood for decades and white people didn't really give that much of a fuck.

Buuuut just go on youtube and read the comments. Where was this energy for Trump, Harvey, Roman and hell Allan whateverhisnamewas? White folks want Will Smith's head. Why? Because they care so much about Chris Rock? Nope! Because Will is black. He's now the perfect scapegoat.

If Will Smith simply shouted "GET MY WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MOUTH" from his seat, I bet you money we'd have this exact same outrage. Why? Because he's black. Black people have to be perfect. Once you get up to that level of celebrity, yeah, your shit isn't allowed to stink. Will's old good boy personality isn't going to save him without one hell of a story.

At this point, the smartest thing he can do right now is divorce his witch of a wife and claim the devil made him do it. Anything else and his career as he knew it is over.

If this was Mark Wahlberg or some other white dude, we wouldn't still be talking about this. White people are very forgiving of white people. A white person apologizes it's awwww it's ok! we all make mistakes! When a black person apologizes, they're accused of being disingenuous.

Even Michelle Obama said it herself, she said when they were in the white house they knew they couldn't make one mistake. They had to literally be perfect. Will isn't done because of the slap, he's done because he's a black man in America.

Genoveve
04-08-2022, 07:10 PM
If you think Will Smith's career is going to skate, just sit and watch.

I will indeed be sitting back and watching.


Buuuut just go on youtube and read the comments.

I have been, can't say I've been seeing tons of comments calling for the end of his career(if any), but it probably depends on the type of media one tends to watch.

eagle2
04-08-2022, 08:07 PM
LOL. Some of you just don't get it.

Will Smith is black.

Will Smith cannot smack someone and get away with it because he's black.

He must be hanged. His career must be destroyed. His name must be tarnished.

If you think Will Smith's career is going to skate, just sit and watch. The biggest crime Will Smith committed on that stage was being black on a Sunday night.

Roman Polanski drugged and sodomized a child and Harvey Weinstein raped women in Hollywood for decades and white people didn't really give that much of a fuck.

Buuuut just go on youtube and read the comments. Where was this energy for Trump, Harvey, Roman and hell Allan whateverhisnamewas? White folks want Will Smith's head. Why? Because they care so much about Chris Rock? Nope! Because Will is black. He's now the perfect scapegoat.

If Will Smith simply shouted "GET MY WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MOUTH" from his seat, I bet you money we'd have this exact same outrage. Why? Because he's black. Black people have to be perfect. Once you get up to that level of celebrity, yeah, your shit isn't allowed to stink. Will's old good boy personality isn't going to save him without one hell of a story.

At this point, the smartest thing he can do right now is divorce his witch of a wife and claim the devil made him do it. Anything else and his career as he knew it is over.

If this was Mark Wahlberg or some other white dude, we wouldn't still be talking about this. White people are very forgiving of white people. A white person apologizes it's awwww it's ok! we all make mistakes! When a black person apologizes, they're accused of being disingenuous.

Even Michelle Obama said it herself, she said when they were in the white house they knew they couldn't make one mistake. They had to literally be perfect. Will isn't done because of the slap, he's done because he's a black man in America.

Roman Polanski fled the United States to avoid going to prison. Bill Cosby is black. He drugged and raped women for decades, and white people didn't give a fuck.

If Will Smith's career takes a big hit, it will be because he walked up on stage and slapped a comedian, and then cursed him out from his seat in front of millions of people. That's the biggest factor. Not the color of his skin. If he had an altercation with Chris Rock at an after party, and there was no video, it probably wouldn't have been such a big deal. Tom Cruise is white, and at one time was probably the biggest movie star in the world. Then a freaky video of him came out, talking about Scientology, and during an appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show, he jumped up and down on the sofa. His career never recovered from it. There is such a big difference between reading something in the paper, and seeing it on video or live on TV. Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby got away with their crimes for so long, because they kept them hidden.

jack0177057
04-08-2022, 08:34 PM
LOL. Some of you just don't get it.

Will Smith is black.

Well, I would agree to an extent with your comments as to the general public. There is still a lot of racism in the USA and Trump stoked the fires of 'social resentment', a euphemism for racism/bigotry.

But, the Academy is made up of liberals who are, at least, trying to be less racist. As I said in my post, I think their utter ineptitude in how they handled the situation was because, they did not know how to handle black-on-black violence. I think a white guy who had done what Will did would have been arrested. Will's race made this a potential race-relations nightmare and they panicked. Do they take some action that could make things more volatile or should they let the black folks deal with it like its a family thing? The LAST thing on Earth they wanted was for this thing to make them look like racists. They gave him a standing ovation after the assault, for crying out loud!

It is important to point out that black people are as offended as white people by what Will did, maybe even more than white people. Remember, that the victim was black and black people have said that a slap is worst than a punch in the black community.

Also, just think about this - How would black people have reacted if a white guy had slapped Chris Rock?

Will will be fine. He has already checked into a mental clinic. Next year, he will appear on Oprah doing a mea culpa and talking about his come-to-Jesus transformation. After 5 years, the Academy will decide to lift their sanctions, because, of his good deeds, like the work his charities does with inner city kids and his new self-help book on anger management. Will Smith and Chris Rock will star in a few movie together and they will be BFFs.

jack0177057
04-08-2022, 08:45 PM
From https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/jadapinkettsmith?_rdc=1&_rdr -- Jada Pinkett Smith Breaks her silence to charge against Will Smith: "I DIDN'T DO IT, NOR WOULD I DO IT IN ANY WAY" In an interview with US Weekly, #JadaPinkettSmith spoke for the first time about the controversial slap in the face of her husband #WillSmith to #ChrisRock at the #Oscars gala because of a comedian's joke towards her. The also actress assured that "she is not a woman who needs protection", these were her words: "I never said that I needed his protection, it was in the heat of the action and he was the one who exaggerated everything, but I did not do it or I wouldn't do it anyway." Meanwhile, Will Smith is hospitalized in a prestigious mental clinic, which he entered voluntarily, to try to alleviate all the stress and discomfort that this situation has caused him.

eagle2
04-08-2022, 08:47 PM
But, the Academy is made up of liberals who are, at least, trying to be less racist.

There is also the matter, that the governor of The Academy's Actors branch, Whoopi Goldberg, is black.

techqueen
04-09-2022, 01:06 AM
There is also the matter, that the governor of The Academy's Actors branch, Whoopi Goldberg, is black.

The board members are mostly white people. It doesn’t matter that she’s black. Black people in Hollywood are notorious for performative anti-blackness. Not saying that’s the case with Whoopi but yeah…

techqueen
04-09-2022, 01:34 AM
Well, I would agree to an extent with your comments as to the general public. There is still a lot of racism in the USA and Trump stoked the fires of 'social resentment', a euphemism for racism/bigotry.

But, the Academy is made up of liberals who are, at least, trying to be less racist. As I said in my post, I think their utter ineptitude in how they handled the situation was because, they did not know how to handle black-on-black violence. I think a white guy who had done what Will did would have been arrested. Will's race made this a potential race-relations nightmare and they panicked. Do they take some action that could make things more volatile or should they let the black folks deal with it like its a family thing? The LAST thing on Earth they wanted was for this thing to make them look like racists. They gave him a standing ovation after the assault, for crying out loud!

It is important to point out that black people are as offended as white people by what Will did, maybe even more than white people. Remember, that the victim was black and black people have said that a slap is worst than a punch in the black community.

Also, just think about this - How would black people have reacted if a white guy had slapped Chris Rock?



Hahahaha! Thanks for the laugh. "Trying to be less racist" Perfectly stated.

The most dangerous thing about racism is once you're a racist, you can't really filter out when to be racist or not.

Racism doesn't only look like not recognizing black people for their work. It looks like not providing security for your black hosts.

Do you really think that if this were really Gervais they would've allowed Will Smith on the stage? Nope. He would've probably been tackled or shot dead.

If a white guy would've slapped Chris Rock, we wouldn't be talking about this. You'd hear all sorts of justifications about why chris deserved it. Chris would be demonized. There will be the usual black outrage. And then we'd forget about it.

Performative outrage among hollywood blacks are a thing. Heck I think Chris Rock talked about this during one of his stand up routines.

As for black people being more outraged about this, that's not true. Even in the private forums I frequent, most of the outrage is coming from white folks. Blacks are like he did what??? daaaaamn! and then you have the crop that are making jokes about it on tik tok. The only blacks who are truly outraged are hollywood blacks who are scared that Will Smith's conduct may have set their efforts to be recognized back. I've also heard from black men that it set "us" back. I don't agree but that's what I'm being told and have read.


Will will be fine. He has already checked into a mental clinic. Next year, he will appear on Oprah doing a mea culpa and talking about his come-to-Jesus transformation. After 5 years, the Academy will decide to lift their sanctions, because, of his good deeds, like the work his charities does with inner city kids and his new self-help book on anger management. Will Smith and Chris Rock will star in a few movie together and they will be BFFs.

Brilliant. Yup. I can totally see this happening.
The only thing is Chris would be wise to hold off on that movie for another 10 years.
His show tickets have soared. He's now being considered for movie roles. Everyone wants to talk to him.
And if he showed us anything that Sunday night it's that he knows how to play the game.
He's going to milk this thing for all it's worth before reconciling.


Roman Polanski fled the United States to avoid going to prison. Bill Cosby is black. He drugged and raped women for decades, and white people didn't give a fuck.

If Will Smith's career takes a big hit, it will be because he walked up on stage and slapped a comedian, and then cursed him out from his seat in front of millions of people. That's the biggest factor. Not the color of his skin. If he had an altercation with Chris Rock at an after party, and there was no video, it probably wouldn't have been such a big deal. Tom Cruise is white, and at one time was probably the biggest movie star in the world. Then a freaky video of him came out, talking about Scientology, and during an appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show, he jumped up and down on the sofa. His career never recovered from it. There is such a big difference between reading something in the paper, and seeing it on video or live on TV. Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby got away with their crimes for so long, because they kept them hidden.

Are you serious? Bill Cosby? LOL.
Bill was well known as "America's dad" and made a career out of telling black men to pull their pants up.
Bill Cosby gets a pass from white people like Clarence Thomas gets a pass.
His wife was caught trying to meddle in our elections and not a single white person gives a fuck. Literally noone.
As for Tom Cruise, he's been putting out movies every 2-3 years as usual.He's still a megastar and has more money than he knows what to do with. But I agree with your second to last statement. It is very different to see things with your own yes versus reading it in the paper.


There is also the matter, that the governor of The Academy's Actors branch, Whoopi Goldberg, is black.

Doesn't matter. She doesn't get to make decisions alone. There's a board and the board has to vote. And they did. They decided collectively. It was also reported that some wanted to take his oscar away but they felt it wouldn't be right simply because Weinstein and Polanski kept theirs? lol. That part cracked me up. It's like they can't see that the punishment wouldn't have fit the "crime".

SnuffleUffleGrass
04-09-2022, 06:12 AM
This is just another sad case of Scientology causing stupid things to happen in Los Angeles.

Cults are terrible.

Djoser
04-09-2022, 06:42 AM
Sorry, too damned many reports on this thread. I cleaned it up once already. Maybe after work tonight I will try that again.