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Eric Stoner
05-05-2022, 10:05 AM
it has to have a “value” attached at least it always has. This was a leak to domestic press, this wasn’t a classified document, it doesn’t impact security. It would be a complete overreach compared to those even charged. Chelsea Manning was charged but she was tried in a military court. If you support charging someone for this act, your comments in the free speech thread are even more disconnected from reality then I thought.
That is one interpretation of the statute by a few law professors. Others have said that the value is "priceless". It does not have to be "classified". No one is being charged with treason or espionage.
Violating the rules of the SCOTUS and preserving confidentiality have NOTHING to do with free speech. A government document is a document is a document. Mishandling same is a crime. Just ask Sandy Berger.
Sam38g
05-05-2022, 10:29 AM
We are not misunderstanding at all. We get it, you think the leaker did was wrong. But a Government that hides what they are doing is tyranny. Writing a paper that goes back to Hale & when women were considered chattel, a man who thought it was a man's or husbands duty to beat his wife & kids. Hale who said that men can NOT rape his wife, but her denying him sex is breaking the law. Hale who hated & burned women who were widows because they had no man to rule over them. Who set up the laws & precedents to burn witches and the Salem witch trials.
There are some pissed off warning women and the rest that cruelty is their goal. There are 13 states with trigger laws against abortion & at conception so every miscarriage & abortion means prison for women. Making even birth control illegal. Some of Christains cant wait to instill laws of cruelty for women of age baring age. Denying them Equality.
14th Amendment also protects same sex marriages & interracial marriages. Protection against sexual harassment at work and all the other Stuff the Republicans want to turn back to the 1650s.
I completely get some men are upset that we all know about these SC evil plot against half the population of Americans.
Eric Stoner
05-05-2022, 10:51 AM
We are not misunderstanding at all. We get it, you think the leaker did was wrong. But a Government that hides what they are doing is tyranny. Writing a paper that goes back to Hale & when women were considered chattel, a man who thought it was a man's or husbands duty to beat his wife & kids. Hale who said that men can NOT rape his wife, but her denying him sex is breaking the law. Hale who hated & burned women who were widows because they had no man to rule over them. Who set up the laws & precedents to burn witches and the Salem witch trials.
There are some pissed off warning women and the rest that cruelty is their goal. There are 13 states with trigger laws against abortion & at conception so every miscarriage & abortion means prison for women. Making even birth control illegal. Some of Christains cant wait to instill laws of cruelty for women of age baring age. Denying them Equality.
14th Amendment also protects same sex marriages & interracial marriages. Protection against sexual harassment at work and all the other Stuff the Republicans want to turn back to the 1650s.
I completely get some men are upset that we all know about these SC evil plot against half the population of Americans.
As I said , there are extremists and fanatics on BOTH sides.
Eric Stoner
05-05-2022, 11:31 AM
My source is the actual majority opinion on the ruling, the one I posted a link to.
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep347/usrep347483/usrep347483.pdf
Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954).
QED
I don't believe you ever bothered to read it, and just repated what other people said?
Either you are misreading the opinion or misunderstand what the Court meant when it said it was not deciding the case on Due Process grounds.
They NEVER said that they were not reversing Plessy.
Post-Brown they did nothing but reverse Plessy in the Montgomery Bus case and in cases involving interstate travel. Remember the Freedom Riders ?
kamiliam
05-05-2022, 11:31 AM
Leaving this up to the states means that in those states women’s right to interstate travel is being violated. No one who is pregnant or frankly at risk of becoming pregnant is safe from prosecution in those states. Jewish and Muslim people are being denied their right to religious freedom in these states. Those religions recognize saving the mothers life and that life starts at birth. States with trigger laws are already making them more restrictive in the hopes to get those subsequent challenges to the supreme court. In Louisiana they are attempting to declare it a homicide from the moment of implantation. That means they plan on including IVF, IUDS and all miscarriages as being up for grabs. Imagine being pregnant on a trip to New Orleans from a safe state and having an accident then being arrested. That is a very realistic situation.
Eric Stoner
05-05-2022, 11:59 AM
Leaving this up to the states means that in those states women’s right to interstate travel is being violated. No one who is pregnant or frankly at risk of becoming pregnant is safe from prosecution in those states. Jewish and Muslim people are being denied their right to religious freedom in these states. Those religions recognize saving the mothers life and that life starts at birth. States with trigger laws are already making them more restrictive in the hopes to get those subsequent challenges to the supreme court. In Louisiana they are attempting to declare it a homicide from the moment of implantation. That means they plan on including IVF, IUDS and all miscarriages as being up for grabs. Imagine being pregnant on a trip to New Orleans from a safe state and having an accident then being arrested. That is a very realistic situation.
Yes. As I tried to say in my posts, reversing Roe will be opening a whole Pandora's Box with issues that a lot of Pro-Lifers and lukewarm pro-Choicers (willing to have 50 different laws governing abortion ) have not thought about. Conceivably reversing Roe could generate MORE litigation involving women's health care and other private decisions.
Alito's opinion can say that it does not affect any other right but few seriously think that it will stop a few states from at least trying to make certain forms of birth control illegal or even trying to criminalize what women do in other states. Please note I said TRY because generally what happens in N.Y. or California is not the business of Texas or Alabama. How do we know ? Because some state legislators have said that life begins at conception and thus any interference with a tiny collection of cells like RU486 and the Morning After Pill constitutes an abortion.
eagle2
05-05-2022, 01:17 PM
Actually abortion was not illegal when the constitution was written. There were no laws banning it or regulating it back then. In 1787 the point of viability for a fetus was what ? 8 months ? Today it is around 6 months give or take. Some say 5 months. Our founders didn't know any of this stuff then. There were very few hospitals then let alone neo-natal ICU's. The science has advanced a long way since. We now know when there is a detectable heartbeat and when the fetus can feel pain. By the time the 14th Amendment was passed abortion was illegal in every state in the country. Since the Constitution is silent about abortion and fetuses the 10th Amendment arguably says that anything concerning same is reserved to the states or the people. That is only a minor corollary argument against the constitutional underpinnings of Roe.
Abortions were made illegal in the 19th century because they weren't safe, not because anyone's views changed on whether or not a fetus was person. There wasn't any need for the Constitution to mention anything about fetuses. Abortions were legal in every state when it was written. Therefore, a fetus was not considered a person by the writers of the Constitution. That means that if people who oppose abortion want to give the fetus the rights of a person, they should need to change the Constitution. The Justices who are voting to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the elected officials who are passing laws to outlaw abortion, are doing so, not out of any concern for fetuses, but because it goes against their religious beliefs. This is mostly a bunch of old white conservative Christians imposing their ignorant beliefs on everyone else.
baer45
05-05-2022, 01:26 PM
If you don't have a vagina, you don't have a say.
eagle2
05-05-2022, 01:35 PM
Eagle, putting aside the need for a grown man to demonize those who disagree with him by slapping on simplistic labels, the "fascist" label you are applying to the Republican Party couldn't be more off. Obviously you lack even a basic understanding of how would-be dictatorships acquire and then maintain control over its people.
Here's a partial list:
Fascists don't decentralize power to political subdivisions, the try to centralize it.
Fascists don't promote free markets, they try to subvert or outright take over markets and industries.
Fascists don't let people keep more of their own money, they try to take it and make people more dependent on them.
Fascists don't encourage its citizenry to arm itself, they disarm their populations.
Fascists don't promote school choice and parental involvement in education, they take it over to control the messaging.
This is the play book used by every dictator who came to power, from Hitler in Germany to Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venezuela (and too many others to list). First make the populace economically dependent upon you, then disarm it so that they can't fight back as you exert more control and, finally, control what the children are taught and believe.
So while I understand your melodramatic response - this is an emotionally charged issue - on the broader scale it's your party that resembles fascists far more than the Republicans. The heavy-handed pandemic responses of Democrat Governors, who were all too eager to grab and exert power much too long with population controls and school closures, should clue everyone in as to how they really feel about their own judgment vs. that of ordinary citizens. The Dems also lie like they breath in order to get elected as many of their true policy goals are unpopular, but they believe that they know better than the people voting for them, so the ends justify the means in their minds.
As far as this particular issue, the Supreme Court's intention is most certainly to revert the matter to the States and limit its own authority in the process. In its view, each state's electorate has the right to decide whether the unborn child has a competing interest that needs to be protected. In the published draft, the Court even acknowledged that some states may choose to broaden abortion rights. This is hardly the act of a body looking to exert control over anything or anybody.
You don't know what fascism is. You're just making things up and labeling policies you oppose as "fascist." During the 1970s, fascist Chile had a free market economy, and their leaders consulted with Milton Friedman on economic policies.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism:
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
None of the characteristics include anything about making the population dependent on the government.
When the nazis took control in Germany, they privatized the economy.
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
The Great Depression spurred State ownership in Western capitalist countries. Germany was no
exception; the last governments of the Weimar Republic took over firms in diverse sectors. Later,
the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. In doing
so, they went against the mainstream trends in the Western capitalist countries, none of which
systematically reprivatized firms during the 1930s. Privatization in Nazi Germany was also
unique in transferring to private hands the delivery of public services previously provided by
government.
Outlawing abortions in Republican controlled states is another step towards fascism.
eagle2
05-05-2022, 02:22 PM
P.S. Abortions were outlawed in nazi Germany.
Sam38g
05-05-2022, 05:14 PM
I want one law rewritten 'Freedom of Religion' should be changed to 'Freedom FROM Religion'.
Sam38g
05-05-2022, 05:17 PM
I think Alito leaked the document himself, all full or righteous rage & proud of how he wants to turn back women's Equality & Freedom in the U.S.
moneybags
05-05-2022, 07:55 PM
We should all collectively “strike” from our “duties” if this gets passed.
If anything I think because of the birth decline the elite want us to start churning out worker bees.
eagle2
05-05-2022, 08:23 PM
So do I. Sorry.
For what? This wasn't classified material. If anyone should go to jail, it should be the Supreme Court justices who lied under oath when they said they wouldn't overturn Roe vs Wade.
eagle2
05-05-2022, 08:26 PM
Violating the rules of the SCOTUS and preserving confidentiality have NOTHING to do with free speech. A government document is a document is a document. Mishandling same is a crime. Just ask Sandy Berger.
Sandy Berger removed classified material and he did not go to jail.
miss.a.p1600
05-05-2022, 08:27 PM
We should all collectively “strike” from our “duties” if this gets passed.
If anything I think because of the birth decline the elite want us to start churning out worker bees.
This is exactly what I said and women tried to ban me.
Men thought the average woman was a gold digger and now if these women are wise they will guard their womb from men who can’t or won’t financially help them raise a child.
Rape should also have stiffer penalties. Death sentence.
DeathAndTaxes
05-05-2022, 08:28 PM
Either you are misreading the opinion or misunderstand what the Court meant when it said it was not deciding the case on Due Process grounds.
They NEVER said that they were not reversing Plessy.
Post-Brown they did nothing but reverse Plessy in the Montgomery Bus case and in cases involving interstate travel. Remember the Freedom Riders ?
Refute the statemnets based on the sources/facts provided, point by point, it just feels like you are reading the interpretation of third parties as opposed to going right to the source.
moneybags
05-05-2022, 09:18 PM
This is exactly what I said and women tried to ban me.
Men thought the average woman was a gold digger and now if these women are wise they will guard their womb from men who can’t or won’t financially help them raise a child.
Rape should also have stiffer penalties. Death sentence.
I’ve been celibate for over 5 years. If this gets passed I might as well close up shop. No way in hell will I fuck a guy if there’s a chance I could get pregnant and be stuck with an abusive man forever.
I’ve said this multiple times and people think I’m joking. I’m not kidding! Why do people think I’m kidding???
https://decider.com/2022/05/05/joy-behar-sex-strike-the-view/amp/
Sex strike! Bring it on!
Also, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-rape-condoms-picture-will-jagged-teeth-deter-world-cup-sex-assaults-rape-axe-hopes-so/
miss.a.p1600
05-05-2022, 09:27 PM
^exactly!
Hell I’m in a relationship and I’m closing up shop.
Shit, the shop be closed majority of the days anyways
moneybags
05-05-2022, 09:41 PM
^exactly!
Hell I’m in a relationship and I’m closing up shop.
Shit, the shop be closed majority of the days anyways
Ha Ha Ha. I posted this? Did you see it? This ought to make rapist think twice https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-rape-condoms-picture-will-jagged-teeth-deter-world-cup-sex-assaults-rape-axe-hopes-so/
As awful as this is, this maybe a flash point for womens rights. Men should be scared. Hell bath no fury like a scorned woman. This is collectively scorning women
AChildOfBoredom
05-05-2022, 11:49 PM
I’d say those seeking to ban abortion and contraception should take a moment to see how that turned out for Ceauşescu’s Romania, but I don’t expect they’d actually give a fuck.
eagle2
05-06-2022, 12:26 AM
I’d say those seeking to ban abortion and contraception should take a moment to see how that turned out for Ceauşescu’s Romania, but I don’t expect they’d actually give a fuck.
or Ireland, before contraception was made fully legal there in 1985.
Sam38g
05-06-2022, 03:56 AM
If I am to be a citizen with my rights taken away from me then I should NOT have to pay taxes.
There is a lot of money behind all of this, especially in adoption. There is a huge demand & waiting list for white babies to which the supply has dried up. Then if you think of it from corporations point of view, it is hard to keep wages down when people refuse to work for wages that no longer cover any of their bills. Companies have always been able to dictate & cut pay to increase profits whenever they wanted and in the past 2 years this isn't true at all.
The influence of the Christian who want to turn back all the rights of women, punish us for enjoying sex. Punish us for not staying in abusive relationships while having kid after kid till either the husband or child birth kills us. There are men mad that we are out earning them, more & more men under the age of 30 are virgins. Men are mad that we are not choosing to be their punching bags & sex slaves anymore. I seen so many of these horrible men preach on youtube how they all deserve harems & how women are all gold diggers. Their channels are very popular with live shows pulling in $10,000 in tips from other men, the comment sections full of hate. How we are stupid & children, how we shouldn't have the power to vote.
There is a lot of rage against women in this country right now for making money, saying no to men & becoming way more educated than them. Soon, we will out earn them all.
rickdugan
05-06-2022, 04:23 AM
You don't know what fascism is. You're just making things up and labeling policies you oppose as "fascist." During the 1970s, fascist Chile had a free market economy, and their leaders consulted with Milton Friedman on economic policies.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism:
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
None of the characteristics include anything about making the population dependent on the government.
When the nazis took control in Germany, they privatized the economy.
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf
Outlawing abortions in Republican controlled states is another step towards fascism.
Even if I played fast and loose with my reference to the economic model (though they do control inputs - fascism is a blended capitalist/socialist model), the bulk of my points remain. Would-be-dictators, whatever their flavor, crave high degrees of control over people and their institutions. By and large the Republican Party is the anti-thesis of that. Republicans believe in personal empowerment and freedom.
Meanwhile Democratic Governors have been ever tightening population controls in their states. Even before they locked down people and shut down schools for crazy lengths of time, they have been increasingly hostile to religious beliefs in a myriad of ways, kept poor children trapped in failing schools, made even simple shit like driving a car expensive and burdensome (inspections, excise and sales taxes, high gas taxes, etc.)...the list goes on. The so-called Nanny States got that moniker for a reason.
Florida, as one example, is a popular destination for blue state refugees for a reason. Everything is easier and more free here. Getting and keeping a car on the road is much easier. Sending my kids to the school of my choice is easier. FL actively supports charter schools and has a school choice voucher program that does not discriminate based upon religion - it is why many religious Jews are now flocking here. We can even do things like shoot off fireworks on the 4th of July and buy a 6 pack of beer without having our driver's licenses scanned. The list goes on.
On this singular topic of abortion, a fair number of red state voters believe that the unborn child has a competing interest which needs to be represented. Agree or disagree, but the issue for those voters is not some notion of controlling someone else's uterus.
rickdugan
05-06-2022, 04:41 AM
P.S. Abortions were outlawed in nazi Germany.
P.S. Wanna know why we didn't have the kinds of riots in red state cities that were all too common in blue state cities? Because red states don't do the shit to their people that blue states do and that includes heavy handed law enforcement tactics. In the red states most law enforcement is handled at the county level by elected Sheriffs, who are held accountable at the voting booth. When a Deputy pulls a county resident (and voter) over and starts some process, he/she had better have a damned good reason for doing so.
Once again, more power to the people and less to the government, which is one of the core principles of the Republican Party.
And on that note, I am really out now.
AChildOfBoredom
05-06-2022, 07:05 AM
P.S. Wanna know why we didn't have the kinds of riots in red state cities that were all too common in blue state cities? Because red states don't do the shit to their people that blue states do and that includes heavy handed law enforcement tactics.
Funny… my old roommate grew up in the backcountry of Mississippi, and he has no shortage of the Sheriffs Department doing exactly the same shit you’re claiming they don’t do. When I lived in Johnston County here in NC, the JCSO had a history of doing the exact same shit you’re claiming they don’t do.
So it’s probably more likely to be because they’re more apt to bootlicking, the same way they all turned out to make excuses and act as apologists for the cops in pretty much every controversial police shooting which makes the news. The same ones who posted things like this…
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… ignoring that those cops were prosecuted and convicted, and the expectation that they would be was always there. Whereas that expectation really hasn’t traditionally been existent when they shoot one of “the darkies”.
They hold law enforcement more accountable? Horseshit. They’re just more fond of the taste of pork and leather.
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In the red states most law enforcement is handled at the county level by elected Sheriffs, who are held accountable at the voting booth. When a Deputy pulls a county resident (and voter) over and starts some process, he/she had better have a damned good reason for doing so.
In rural and unincorporated areas, sure - that holds true in blue and red states alike. They used the same tiered system - municipal, county, state - for LEOs in red states as they do in blue states, and your “red cities” have their own municipal police forces. Granted, states like Montana, the Dakotas, Texas, etc. will have larger tracts of sparsely populated and unincorporated areas, so the Sheriffs Offices will be more of a visible presence there, but their most populous areas will still be policed by municipal police. Even in cities which incorporate both as cities and counties (such as Denver), it’s the municipal police who carry out active and presence functions, not the Sheriffs Office.
naomi_doll
05-06-2022, 07:20 AM
Because red states don't do the shit to their people that blue states do and that includes heavy handed law enforcement tactics.
That's literally not true. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/who-is-hunter-brittain-arkansas-b1922518.html
rickdugan
05-06-2022, 07:37 AM
Isolated incidents do not equate to a systematic pattern of abuse.
For many years countless cities and towns in blue states have relied too much upon traffic citation revenues to fill budget holes, in the process turning their cops in revenue collection agents. Add to that the broken windows policing long adopted in some larger cities and the result was a dramatic increase in streetside encounters with cops. I know because I lived in 3 of those states and saw it firsthand. They inevitably never let anyone off with a warning because they needed to feed the beast.
Of course that horseshit inevitably hits lower income people the hardest, including minorities. Then, when they can't pay the seatbelt/cell phone/whatever ticket on time they end up driving on a suspended license. Or when they can't afford to make the repairs necessary to get that inspection sticker, they end up driving on bad tags. And then the next time they get pulled over, they get thrown in a cell and their cars get towed.
You can only do shit like this for so long before you create anger and desperation in a certain subset of your population. No wonder some folks, especially people living in those places, support defunding the police. Yes what set the riots off was a single horrible act, but that was just a spark set to a powder keg that was already set to go.
naomi_doll
05-06-2022, 07:39 AM
I knew you would move the goal posts. Gave one example and now you need more. I guess that makes two of us bowing out of this useless thread.
rickdugan
05-06-2022, 07:55 AM
I knew you would move the goal posts. Gave one example and now you need more. I guess that makes two of us bowing out of this useless thread.
Sorry naomi, I didn't move the goal posts intentionally, I just didn't communicate adequately the first time. There always exists a one-off chance of a bad encounter anywhere. There may even be an exception somewhere out there to the rule regarding the Sheriff model. But on the whole this shit doesn't happen as often and is not as systematic in places where the police are directly accountable to voters. This makes a world of difference in our everyday interactions with the police.
techqueen
05-06-2022, 07:59 AM
I had an abortion many years ago. Most women cry when they have abortions. I was happy. Happy I wasn't having that man's baby. The actual procedure though was very unpleasant.
I got an abortion because I didn't want to have a child with that man and I knew I needed to work on myself before bringing a child into this world. And honestly, for some reason I didn't even know emergency contraceptive was an option. I have no clue why. I was young and dumb. I blame the education system.
Had abortions been banned or non-existent, I would have thought twice before having unprotected sex with that loser and would NEVER have found myself in that predicament.
I read a reddit the other day that said "I just turned 18. Roe V Wade is being Overturned. I'm losing my mind. I don't know what to do" and I couldn't help but shake my head.
America has become a country of people who don't think at all. If I found out tomorrow that the color blue was being banned, I'd wear pink, white, green, you know... there are a whole lot of other wonderful options out there besides blue.
Why in the world are people acting like they're banning condoms, birth control and plan B pills?!?!?! WHY?
I am for a woman's right to choose and do whatever the hell she wants with her body but this isn't some sort of life or death situation. Hell you know what works up to 72 hours after unprotected sex and is a whole lot cheaper? Plan B! It's awesome! And a whole lot safer than trying to use abortion as some sort of birth control option.
We need to do more about educating our girls about keeping their parts to themselves and not having sex with Tom, Dick and Harry just because they're nice to them. We need to teach our women about taking responsibility and not outsourcing their power to some man. These men obviously do not give a fuck about us. I came into the world by myself. It is my responsibility to look out for me. We also need better parental education. I know too many women, myself included, who were thrown into the lion's den by their own mothers. Abortion isn't the problem. It's a symptom of a much larger problem we're refusing to discuss.
Having an abortion is one of the most traumatizing experiences you can ever go through. Even with General Anesthesia, you can literally feel them RIPPING AND SUCKING the baby out of you. I knew girls back in high school that used it birth control and women that are still traumatized by their experiences today. I only had one and damn near needed a shaman to rid me of the memory of it. I still believe that it is a woman's right to choose but I am not going to go on some crusade to fight for abortion rights because I know how damaging that experience is to one's mind, body and spirit. Let them ban it and let's teach our girls personal responsibility and how to not allow their emotions to lead them astray.
Sam38g
05-06-2022, 09:29 AM
Problem is Tech Queen they plan to ban birth control too, especially Plan B. I remember the well the decade they tried to prevent Plan B being used at all. Then we have 17 States that are writing laws as we speak to out law abortions. So those with dead babies in them, etopic pregnancies will have to go to court in order to get an abortion. In which by that time, many of those women will have died.
https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-law-would-ban-abortion-conception-punishable-murder-1704013 Louisiana is the most cruel law so far. These laws make it so that women of child bearing age monthly cycles will be tracked & every miscarriage will be investigate as a possible murder. You way underestimate the cruelty of these laws.
And if you had done your research or merely listen to Republicans then you would know that they want to do away with Sex education all together other than teaching abstinence.
Hell, the Governor of Texas wants to do away with Education https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/05/texas-gop-governor-considers-challenging-1982-ruling-requiring-free-public-education These are the people you want to trust with our future?
History before abortions were legal, besides back alley abortions. Many teenagers who got pregnant committed suicide.
By making abortion illegal even women who miscarry will not seek out medical care because they are afraid of being arrested and die. A million women miscarry a year, Covid just now hit a million death. So those of you sitting on your high horses are so willing to see a million women or more a year die?
You are also throwing every rape victim including kids raped by their fathers forced to carry those babies? Cause teaching girls to keep their legs closed has YET TO PREVENT ONE SINGLE RAPE! Your cruelty towards other women is astounding.
techqueen
05-06-2022, 09:40 AM
By making abortion illegal even women who miscarry will not seek out medical care because they are afraid of being arrested and die. A million women miscarry a year, Covid just now hit a million death. So those of you sitting on your high horses are so willing to see a million women or more a year die?
You are also throwing every rape victim including kids raped by their fathers forced to carry those babies? Cause teaching girls to keep their legs closed has YET TO PREVENT ONE SINGLE RAPE! Your cruelty towards other women is astounding.
Excuse me, there’s a difference between miscarrying and having an abortion.
I could argue that rape victims would benefit from a contraceptive than an abortion.
Do you not realize that the process of getting a baby aborted is even MORE traumatizing?
Cruelty is feeding victim mentality in women. I’m not sure how we went from this to rape victims. Rape victims SHOULD have the the right to choose like everyone else. In the event of rape, plan B CAN be used!
You are going out of your way to misunderstand me. What I said was very clear. A woman should have the right to choose but this (ban) is not a life or death situation because there are other options such as plan b. In the event plan b fails, the patient should have the right to an abortion. Exceptions should be made.
Name ONE situation where a contraceptive cannot be used to terminate a pregnancy.
This society has brainwashed women into being passive, catty and victim minded.
I’ll join the march when they ban plan b and other forms of birth control.
techqueen
05-06-2022, 09:45 AM
Hell, the Governor of Texas wants to do away with Education https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/05/texas-gop-governor-considers-challenging-1982-ruling-requiring-free-public-education These are the people you want to trust with our future?
The last time I checked I was a registered Democrat and have always voted for Democrats even though I don’t always agree with them. I’m not sure who this governor is and I do not share his views. Please stop making assumptions. And stop trying to bully me. I do not have to agree with you.
kamiliam
05-06-2022, 09:52 AM
I know plenty of women who had surgical abortions. None of them had physical complications, every story is valid including yours. It’s only helping the anti abortion cause to act like it universally traumatizing. It is a medical procedure. I had a friend who took the pills after a miscarriage, for her that was a lot worse then the d&c she needed to actually safely remove the rest. This isn’t about women being careless this is about control.
Birth control wont do anything for ectopic pregnancies.
techqueen
05-06-2022, 10:02 AM
I know plenty of women who had surgical abortions. None of them had physical complications, every story is valid including yours. It’s only helping the anti abortion cause to act like it universally traumatizing. It is a medical procedure. I had a friend who took the pills after a miscarriage, for her that was a lot worse then the d&c she needed to actually safely remove the rest. This isn’t about women being careless this is about control.
Birth control wont do anything for ectopic pregnancies.
Thank you. I understand this perspective and I agree.
However, two things can be true and once you’ve had a baby ripped out of you, you cannot unfeel it.
It saddens me that an 18 year old would think her sex life is over because abortions are being banned.
This country has failed its people in more ways than one. The education system alone is going to hell.
Djoser
05-06-2022, 10:15 AM
...they plan to ban birth control too, especially Plan B. I remember the well the decade they tried to prevent Plan B being used at all. Then we have 17 States that are writing laws as we speak to out law abortions. So those with dead babies in them, etopic pregnancies will have to go to court in order to get an abortion. In which by that time, many of those women will have died.
https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-law-would-ban-abortion-conception-punishable-murder-1704013 Louisiana is the most cruel law so far. These laws make it so that women of child bearing age monthly cycles will be tracked & every miscarriage will be investigate as a possible murder. You way underestimate the cruelty of these laws.
... listen to Republicans...they want to do away with Sex education all together other than teaching abstinence.
Hell, the Governor of Texas wants to do away with Education https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/05/texas-gop-governor-considers-challenging-1982-ruling-requiring-free-public-education
History before abortions were legal, besides back alley abortions. Many teenagers who got pregnant committed suicide.
By making abortion illegal even women who miscarry will not seek out medical care because they are afraid of being arrested and die. A million women miscarry a year, Covid just now hit a million death.
Definitely agreed on these parts. They are trying to erase decades of progress for women.
Been getting reports so I had top close this for now, hopefully I can edit out the parts that had people making reports.