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crazybob
04-29-2003, 02:28 AM
Hey Thorn, what's really the issue here.... it's not like a bartender serving a patron too much to drink, once he's too drunk he get's tossed out of the club. I have a hard time thinking it would be good business to remove customer's that threw too much money around. The guy I'm talking about in the previous post is in fact a multi-millionaire who can well afford it and enjoy's the attention his money get's him. It's a game of money = attention. He pay's top dollar and get's undivided attention from his favorite girl. She's with him the whole night cept when she's on stage. The only thing I found really wrong with it is the fact that she was pissing off other customer's that wanted some of her time too.

velvet
04-29-2003, 05:57 AM
thorn has taken his bullshit to this thread. now i know what his problem is he wants sex for money and anything else to him is a waste. yuck... trick. anyone else is "mental" i can only laugh at him now. keep in mind he is from the aspd site ladies. those men see all dancers as whores.

Zabrina
04-30-2003, 05:46 PM
Thorn I don't see how you can claim to be the moral high and mighty. Do you really think that it is a normal girl, paddling with both oars, who will sell herself for your measly 300 dollars? It's the desperate girls who sell themselves cheap to perform extras for you. When you pay a girl for extras you are taking advantage of someone.

Zabrina
05-02-2003, 11:30 PM
Mariah,

I respect your right to feel as you do. However, without knowing the woman in question, how do you have the right to presume she is addled.


As a dancer for many years, I know the typical expectation in dancer income. Dancers make good money. If a guy offers me 300 for a BJ I will laugh because I get that much anyways just by dancing. If 300 bucks (and many of those girls probably do it for less) is enough to entice some girl to suck dick in a public place--with witnesses-where she may very well end up in JAIL-- she is in some DESPERATE situation. No one in their right mind would take that kind of risk.

Now if someone wants to be a prostitute, fine. That is their choice and I'm not here to judge. Work for an escort service, and do it discretely. --- NOT in a club with someone sitting in the next booth. AND if a dancer makes (x) amount of money, I would expect anything beyond dancing to cost (x) times 3 AT LEAST. Hookers should make more than dancers as they provide more services. If a girl sucks dick for an average dancers wage there is clearly something wrong.

And there we have it--guys taking advantage of cheap extras provided by desperate girls in desperate situations= wrong

Emily
05-03-2003, 05:16 AM
Mariah,

Many dancers do not make what you would seem to make if $300 seems like a pittance to you.

I would suggest to you that $300 dollars represents a full days efforts to many dancers.




I think you are twisting Mariah's words around. I feel the same way, I think. Why would I suck dick for $300 when I can make $300 for not sucking dick (even if it does take more time)? It doesn't make it a pittance. It's just a different perspective.

I really don't care who whores themselves out either. i'd probably do it if the price was right, but being a dancer, I'm quite aware of what guys will pay for simple conversation, so the price scale reflects that accordingly.

SportsWriter2
05-03-2003, 07:18 AM
BJ has become so much of a subset norm in some clubs that I find myself asking waitresses which dancers do NOT do it in champagne. I know young dancers who don't even consider it an extra. It's just part of the basic package. They'd rather do that than carry on a conversation.

Emily
05-03-2003, 08:58 AM
that's one thing you don't have to worry about with girls that post on here...we obviously like to carry on a conversation. Oh, and for Thorn, I don't know how you got that impression, but noooooooope. Way off.

05-04-2003, 12:33 AM
I would laugh at any dancer that asked $300 for a bj. The going rate is more like $60-$100.
At one club I had a CFS without the dancer offering her price. Since I had paid $40.00 for a "private dance" with her I gave her an additional $60.00. At another club one dancer has given me two hand jobs. The first one was $140.00, the second was $80.00. The difference in pricing was due, I guess, to the fact that one the first occasion things were slow in the club, and on the other the girl had gone inside with clients several time, so she could afford lowering the price.

OPEN
05-04-2003, 03:25 PM
Wow,, I have to post and say that I thought I had become quite a frequenter of all sorts of clubs in diff locations several times a month. And every time I go I usually like to find someone and go right for the private dances,,,, so I am saying I spend alot of time in the champagne rooms, private rooms or just a private area, and I have never ever seen, or heard of or been offered anything but dances or massages. I just went again to a popular place in RI where contact is the norm, spent over 700 between the champagne and the hour with the dancer, and again we had a great time but there was no sign of any BJ's or the like.

SportsWriter2
05-04-2003, 03:41 PM
That would be the Foxy Lady. Try a place that begins with C.

Dharmabum
05-05-2003, 09:52 AM
Wow, this thread has strayed pretty far afield! Going back to Theresa's original post, I don't think there is anything wrong with you occasionally feeling a slight pang of guilt, it says alot for your character! I've been involved in sales most of my life and there are times I do feel a bit guilty; I may have done nothing immoral, unethical or illegal, but face it, sometimes in a monetary agreement one side does better than the other. There is no question that some guys who go to SC's have emotional problems that impair their ability to make rational decisions; it's certainly not your responsibility to manage their money or take on the role of therapist, but it's nice to see that you have enough compassion to feel a little sorry for them. Compassion is a dying trait, be proud of it!

Dharmabum
05-06-2003, 01:19 AM
Oy vey.

Dharm, are you for real?

No, I'm a figment of your imagination.

Nichole
05-06-2003, 02:36 AM
Free will... that is what it is all about. If a customer is going to get dances with me then he will pay for them. But, I do not promise anything other than the dance. I even remind him of where we are in the number of songs. If he continues with the dance it is his wish to do so. Nothing to feel guilty about.

ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-06-2003, 04:34 AM
Free will... that is what it is all about. If a customer is going to get dances with me then he will pay for them. But, I do not promise anything other than the dance. I even remind him of where we are in the number of songs. If he continues with the dance it is his wish to do so. Nothing to feel guilty about.


I think dharma's point is that free will/legality and moraliity/feeling guilt, are not necessarily the same thing.

I have the 'right' to whine and complain about service and probably could get something comped, I have the right to heckle people outside funerals, I have the right to get some idiot to sign a contract that if he misses one payment I can either demand the whole principal PLUS interest after he misses ONE payment.

Now while I have the 'right' to do all these things, If I were not to feel even the slightets pang of guilt, I would consider myself callous and uncaring.

Especially if the customer has a sexual addiction, I would think tat morally it would not be right to take 30 k from a 'normal' customer (non famous VIP millionaire etc). I would also not think it right to accept 'extras' in Las Vegas/anywhere prost is legal (we'll say to remove the legality difference) from a addict dancer who is only doing them for 20 bucks to feed her habit(as it seems there is a LOT more of in a SC than I had ever imagined, extras.... kind of was aware of the pervasiveness of drugs is SC's) I may have the right to do that, and she is freely willing to do that too, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't or wouldn't feel guilty.

Dharmabum
05-06-2003, 06:32 AM
Now while I have the 'right' to do all these things, If I were not to feel even the slightets pang of guilt, I would consider myself callous and uncaring.

Exactly my point!

Unfortunately for society, callous indifference seems to be the rule rather than the exception these days. This whole thread made me recall an incident that happened a few years ago; I was sitting with a dancer who happened to be a close personal friend when a relatively new girl walked by. As she passed, she leaned down and whispered in my friends ear; when she left I asked my friend what she had said. I was told she had said "take him for everything he's got on him"; obviously this girl mistook our somewhat intimate friendship as me being smitten with this dancer or as ya'll would say "a regular in love". We laughed about it at the time, but it's a pretty clear example of what I would call callous behavior; I've seen alot of these guys, and in a way it's pretty sad; they have trouble seperating reality from fantasy and they are only looking for emotional contact with another human. They dote and fawn on a dancer, spending large amounts of money and after it's all said and done they get made fun of for it.

So yes, I find a person who can feel a little guilt as a refreshing change of pace!

Emily
05-06-2003, 06:55 AM
So yes, I find a person who can feel a little guilt as a refreshing change of pace!


You are assuming most dancers don't feel guilt. We're working! We want to get paid for our work. Just because we may be strictly business, it doesn't make us callous people as a whole.

If you worked for a big corporation and you knew they were hurting financially, would you feel guilty for working for them?

Dharmabum
05-06-2003, 07:05 AM
I'm not assuming anything Emily, most of the responders said they never feel guilty, I'm not putting words in their mouths. That being said, I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad; I fully understand the world is a very grey place, we often do things that may seem questionable or perhaps go against our convictions. I don't want to come across as judgemental, we do what we have to do to survive; I was only trying to reassure Theresa that a little guilt isn't necessarily a bad thing and that she should be proud of her compassionate nature.

Oh, and by the way, when my company was having some tough financial times post 9-11, I took a pay cut so my crew wouldn't have to, if that helps answer your last question.

05-06-2003, 03:04 PM
You are assuming most dancers don't feel guilt.

This is how dancers have responded to the question, "Ever feel guilty about taking customer's $$$?"

go to the mall babe, lol!

No way. Never.

Good grief this need be clarified? Oh brother.

That is absolutley absurd

LMAO!! No, absolutely not!

A RESOUNDING
HELL NO!

I personally never feel guilty

Really, I don't think there is anything to feel guilty about.

Who reading this thread wouldn't assume most dancer's don't feel guilt? I was surprised and saddened to find out dancer's found it to be a comical question.

sol_de_pr2
05-06-2003, 03:06 PM
Hey, they can't feel guilty, it's their job and if us clients get carried away and splurge, we're the only ones to blame!

fishnet
05-06-2003, 05:34 PM
If a dancer "takes my money," she went through the motions, had a bad attitude and did a lousy job providing entertainment. She will never get my business again!!!

If the dances are great, she has a good attitude, makes me laugh and provides superb entertainment, chances are she will be in my lap all night and I will happily hand over every dollar I have. ;D No need for guilt! You earned it!!!! ;)

Rayne
05-06-2003, 05:48 PM
I have to balance that twinge of guilt all the time because a lot of my clients are younger military guys. A lot of them don't have the time for a serious girlfriend, but after eight months on a submarine, these guys love a little female companionship. Some of them are so sweet, but you have to keep in mind that you are worth paying for. The job can be fun, but also difficult, and these guys are there to be entertained. If you do your job and don't rip them off, expect them to know walking in that they must pay for the company they keep at the SC. If he or she isn't the thriftiest spender, that's really not your problem. If he or she happens to give you more than you deem necessary, just take it as you would a compliment-- with grace and gratitude.

chair
10-29-2003, 04:59 PM
$30,000 in 3 months? That is clearly out of hand. What would make him do something like that?

jillianiowa
10-29-2003, 05:52 PM
I don't even know where to start with this topic. I provide a service..I entertain, thus, I am paid for my service. I in turn pay for a service when I want it....what was the question???

DancerNY
10-29-2003, 06:57 PM
The only time I feel bad is when they run out of cash and have to rent the "funny money" from the club because per $100, a club charges them $120 (in my club that is) and then gives me only $85 from $100. So in this case I feel bad because he is wasting extra 20 and it doesnt even go to me : (

winter2003
10-30-2003, 01:33 AM
i used to feel that way, until i found this site...LOL...i am a fool! truthfully, the whole time i danced i kinda felt like that, after re-educating myself, and KNOWING what i do now, no way would i feel guilty...i actually agree w/ carlos on this one...it's the customers problem if they cannot controll budget. ~i had a freind who's husband would go to these clubs and blow the families money(for like FOOD) and that is where i picked up the guilt i suppose...i always have in the back of my head, "is some poor kid suffering 'cause his/her dad is a dumbass?"

soybeangirl
10-30-2003, 02:00 AM
OK. here's a story for you all!

I was working at a new club and a guy came in a did the whole champagne/vip shit! SO. the waitress came over and asked if he would like another bottle and he was SO F ING DRUNK HIS EYES WEREN"T EVEN OPEN... so the owner guy comes over and says, "hey buddy you want one more?" the guy could barely respond and just took out his wallet so the owner of this place helps the guy take out $300 cash and goes and puts it in the register thing. HOLY SHIT! I could not believe it. They let some hammered dude spend his last bit of cash on a vip he owuld probably sleep or puke through anyway. I made my money but I felt SO bad for this guy. And of course he was drunk early in the night so he maxed out his CC's. I hate to have to see the grimy side of this business but occasionally it shows its ugly face.

winter2003
10-30-2003, 03:09 AM
Well, soybeangirl...this should show that GUYS rip other guys off in ways that are way worse than any of us gals! lol! --or, at least it can happen, and that if some dude is broke he shouldn't immediately look to some"bitch" to blame!!!!

soybeangirl
10-30-2003, 03:16 AM
Seriously. He didn't blame anyone! He was too drunk to point a freaking finger. It was just awkward and made me feel so lousy. You know??

LayaLeighton
10-30-2003, 03:53 AM
Sometimes I feel a little weird about it. Especially when a guy comes in and spends $600+ or something like that. Every once in a while I think too much into it and wonder about his wife or his kids. Maybe there is something that they needed and that money could have bought it instead. Then I get over it. I've been a customer at many strip clubs and never once have left feeling guilty or bummed about the money I spent. They know what they're doing, if they don't have the money to spend, they don't spend it. I just make sure to appreciate and be very thankful for the big spenders.

hockey_nut
10-30-2003, 05:09 AM
Just a thought...

Going to a club is entertainment, so it should be from "extra" money, not the families' food budget. If a guy has a family, that is his first responsibility. It's not a dancer's fault if the guy spends that money. He made the wrong choice, not the dancer. A guy with that type of problem knows exactly what he is doing when he walks into a club.

That being said, if guy gets a little drunk (especially when he is buying the dancer drinks), it does not give her the right to take him for more than what is fair. Believe it or not, guys do remember when the dancer is honest and fair and they might just come back and see you again if you do right by them.

sadbuttrue
10-30-2003, 09:12 AM
Okay, now I know that my job is to provide a fantasy for the men who come into my club, and that I should be handsomely compensated for it, but sometimes I feel guilty when they spend (what I think is) a large amount of money on me all at once. Just last weekend, it was a pretty dead night, but one customer saved me, spending over $300 (which isn't even THAT much) just on me. While I was glad that my night didn't turn out shitty, I felt a little guilty.

Now, I am not talking about ripping guys off and feeling bad about that, b/c I don't do that kind of stuff. But does anyone else feel bad when you meet a guy who is so nice and he spends a huge chunk of money on you like that?

I'd say from experience, you work hard for the money.
:P

>>>Sad<<<
;D

jonqpub
10-30-2003, 04:58 PM
Theresa, your guilt issue shows a great deal of compassion for your customer and others in general, thats a nice quality in a person. That being said, going to a S/C is like going to Vegas, never take more then you can afford to lose.