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Madcap
02-08-2004, 11:21 PM
Well, he's be a dead duck if I got hold of him.

Rayleen
02-09-2004, 11:23 AM
OMG!!!!!! Tonic that is some of the sickest crap I have ever heard. Drugging and tapeing a person- and what were they doing locking you in- that sounds to me like a plan for gang rape ! SICK! No wonder you don't trust men. Can you move? If so get out of that town asap ! And I imagine you probably want to put this all behind you but these men need to be arrested and punished by law for what they did- what if they do it to another woman :o

I think you should call an abuse hotline and get some information on what you can do legaly.

I am so sorry all that happened to you. I had many abuse incidents with customers and that was horrible enough as it was- I can't imagine what kind of pain and emotional scaring it must give a person when someone close to you is the abuser.

WHY oh WHY are men in this world so often abusive ?

and to the guys reading yes I know abusers are sometimes women too but everyone knows that the percentage of abuses are committed by men against women or kids is much higher than the other way around.

WHY DO SO MANY MEN FEEL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ABUSE PEOPLE?

Dreamer
02-09-2004, 03:10 PM
wtf??? Dreamer, I believe I am the victim here. I'm not planning on stealing anyone's car, and there is no need to "restrain or defend" yourself against me. lol. Your arguments are once again ridiculous.


If there is a physical conflict the "victim " status usually goes back and forth. One person hits another then the other is the victim. The other person hits him back then the original is the victim. It seems whoever is at the receiving end of the abuse is considered the victim reguardless of who initiated the conflict or their intentions. No, I know you can't hurt me physically but you can certainly attempt to create harm by other methods. The most common method used here is people making groundless accusations of bad intent.
The car theft is just a hypothetical example to illustrate a violation one does to another. I'm not saying you're going to steal someone's car.



I have worked 9 to 5 jobs, and I was harrassed as much there as I have been in sc. I think I could be labeled a sexist. I don't trust men. I don't like men, and that's not going to change. However, that is not going to make me act out in any way because a man is a man.


I think you will because people treat others how they mentally perceive them. If you see all men as a bunch of perves , you will treat them that way.



I think that some people deep inside are manipulators, liars, cheaters, violent rapists. Why is this? Because society has created them.


You've just confirmed that in your subsequent post! You know the reasons why. Because they were abused when they were young. Nobody is born a rapist, a liar, a cheater, or violent. It's just a matter of the environment that they were born into and the choices they made.
I see it like this , if you load a bunch of garbage programs into a computer, you know, with viruses, corrupted data etc. what you get out is a bunch of garbage. Garbage in, garbage out. It's not the computers fault. The computer is fine. It's just what you input into the computer that is bad.
Now that you have elaborated on your abuse case I can somewhat see why things happened as they did. You've got to disassociate yourself from those environments. As you might realize, nobody was in control and it was a tragedy waiting to happen. It is unfortunate that you happened to get caught in it. But live and learn.



If you are worried about hating the people on this site because of something they may have said, then you need to open up your eyes.


Erotic, that is the LAST thing I am worried about. Have a nice day! ;D ;D ;D

erotictonic
02-09-2004, 03:12 PM
Oh, that is just the beginning. My ex'es girlfriend's mother lives across the lake from me and she has high-powered binoculars that she watches me with. Also, they wired my house. Everywhere I go someone says something rude to me (one of their friends). It is amazing how people will take sides without even knowing anything about you. They claim they are going to follow me wherever I go, and do the same thing there. I think they are whacked out in the head, and they obviously have nothing better to do than worry about me.

My ex had this floozy gf for about 3 yrs. and he would take me to the bar she ran and allow them to abuse me too. I didn't know what was going on, of course. I would go to a bar and he would be there with her in the back of the bar, I never saw them. Think of what a fool I appeared to be. He really made a fool out of me. And this was someone I trusted. He was the biggest liar I have ever seen, and a d*** good one too.

God only knows what I ever saw in this person. He is filthy dirty, he wouldn't do anything around the house, he wasn't good-looking, he was lousy in bed, boring, all he ever did was watch tv and think of excuses so he could get out to see his gfs. He makes no money (75 a night), has no money, is 38 yrs. old. If you ask me, he should've been thrilled with anyone who was willing to stay with him. He sits around and writes songs that just pile up and when he dies they will just end up in the garbage. He drives a crappy old truck that's embarrassing. He plays drums and sings in these crappy ole dives to all of these losers who have no lives. He has no health ins., no savings acct., doesn't care about having a home, just somewhere to lay his head. Everytime he gets mad, he turns into a lunatic and he always breaks something (like he had anything anyway). It was always my stuff he broke. I must be the biggest idiot in the world to stay with someone like that. I was always a sucker for musicians, but d***. Not anymore, I see them for what they are. When I opened my eyes one day, all of his blaring inadequacies were so apparent. All of them looked different. In general, musicians are f***** up in the head BIG TIME.

erotictonic
02-09-2004, 03:18 PM
By the way, it's Myrtle Beach. Don't come here, and if you do, stay out of the bars.

Blade
02-09-2004, 03:36 PM
I have been in the industry for 8 years and have seen several sides to the business. I started out as a bouncer then for a while I was a performer, now I am a d.j.
Since I started I have had to deal with guys who had too much to drink and figured the dancer owed them at least a handjob because they put out a dollar, guys who didnt put down a buck but figured hey she is naked already she must want me to shove my hand up inside her as hard as I can, guys who bite,pinch,grope and otherwise molest the dancers(this is all BEFORE a lap/table dance)
There have been guys who during a dance whip out their peckers and try for sex, guys who try to perform oral on dancers, etc..
Need I mention the derogatory/just plain rude comments?
Hell there are nights where I go home hating my gender! But as I'm sure has been proven dancers don't really hate men..anyone employed in the industry hates/dislikes rude,arrogant behaviour and the mistreatment of the employees of strip clubs by society in general

Dreamer
02-10-2004, 02:05 PM
Erotic, here is one thing that disturbs me. I am not disturbed that you distrust men. Actually you should , as you should anyone until you get to know them well enough.
The thing is that you work at a job that you distrust the clientele at. This sounds ridiculous. That's like me returning to my former work that I filed and won a lawsuit against. If one has the attitude , say I believe all people are criminals, I get up and go to work as a guard in a correctional facility. I am reinforcing my own assumptions especially if I don't see people in any other capacity. I have created a self fulfilling prophesy.
In order to view a reality one must first be willing to believe in the possibility of its existence. If someone asks if you believe in intelligent life outside our universe you will never determine the truth if you say,"Hey ,the bible says we're it. There ain't no life outside of us", then you will never be able to discover the truth. Unless ET lands in you backyard and zaps you with it's ray gun. You do not sound like you are willing to believe ,so that is why you will not change.
Let me say this, it does little or nothing to complain about why the world does not meet your liking especially if you've done little or nothing on your own to change it.

katrin
02-10-2004, 02:26 PM
He has no health ins., no savings acct., doesn't care about having a home, just somewhere to lay his head. Everytime he gets mad, he turns into a lunatic and he always breaks something (like he had anything anyway). It was always my stuff he broke. I must be the biggest idiot in the world to stay with someone like that.


Hey! I think I dated this guy, too!... oh wait... mine was 35 and a guitar player. Never mind. Usually he smashed his own stuff, but when he went after my pre-CBS Fender, he went TOO FAR!

Kat

Little_Dave
02-10-2004, 02:49 PM
Yow! :o I've been in this business for five years now, and thought I'd heard and seen a lot of s**t, but this thread really puts a lot of things in perspective.

If my experience with the opposite sex was as negative as it obviously has been for many of the ladies here, I'm sure my attitude towards that gender would be equally soured. Perhaps permanently.

I've seen my share of assh**e customers both talking crap at and trying to do nasty things to the dancers. It always makes me angry. At least I'm in a position to do something about it. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when one of these jerks doesn't leave peacefully...

I'm not going to bother offering advice or trying to wax philosophical or play psychoanalyst. I really don't know any of you well enough to even try. And so many others have already offered their 2 cents' worth.

Ladies, how you feel is how you feel. There is no right or wrong there. How we feel about someone/thing is based on our experiences with that someone/thing. It's sad to see how many of you have had such a large number of bad experiences.

Lexi
02-10-2004, 03:08 PM
I am sorry to hear that, erotic. A LOT of guys can be asses, but so can a lot of women. I know a few good guys that have been cheated on by their girlfriends, and even the ones who have been married. It seems as though its rare to find a good person but there really are some of them out there.
I hope that you do find someone that is good for you.

A friend of mine always gets treated like crap by guys, but its because she's always been treated that way and seems to know NO better. One time she hooked up with a nice guy who had a little son. And he was so good to her and she told me, "I cant see him anymore....he's too nice and he gets on my nerves." WTF is that? I told her, "Take a damn chance girl, your not used to that" and she didnt give him the chance. Needless to say she is back with the scumbag in her life, and she will never learn.
I hope that if you do come across one of those nice guys, that you TAKE THAT CHANCE. Accept all the little annoying things they do, like when they ALWAYS wanna be with you, or always buy you things. lol The thing is, I had a bf who was wayyyy too nice in the beginning. I said to myself, "This guy seems like a sucker" but he so wasnt. I gave him the chance and after a few weeks, I had deep feelings for him. He was, and is, the only guy I have ever been with and I will always have feelings for him. Things didnt really work out because I have a hot temper, so we kinda faded. Every now and then we see each other and we are best friends now.
So hun, if you find a guy, and he's good to you, then take a chance. Just dont put up with anyone who makes you feel less than the hottie you are.
Good luck

erotictonic
02-10-2004, 04:15 PM
Dreamer, none of us trust the clientele in a sc unless we know them. And I don't even trust someone I "know". You can't possibly know anyone totally. I am working to change my reality. Your arguments are strange and invalid. :alien:

erotictonic
02-10-2004, 04:27 PM
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the advice and support. I have no one here, as everyone was his friend, although I doubt that too. I will be leaving this h*** hole soon, with a totally different outlook on life. :wave:

Rayleen
02-10-2004, 04:36 PM
Tonic- ignore Dreamer- you can do it literly on this site (as I mentioned in another reply in this thread) by blocking his messages from even showing up on your screen while you are signed in. He will argue any subject if he thinks he can get an emotional reaction out of someone.He is using your pain as entertianment/attention for himself. You don't need yet another man trying invalidate your feelings because you have every right to feel as you do and don't let him or anyone else tell you otherwise.
Most of us are here to offer support to eachother and the rest just need to be blocked so they won't get the reactions they are here looking for.

Sending you hugs and support and lots of love for the future :hug:

Dreamer
02-11-2004, 01:15 PM
Thanks guys. I really appreciate the advice and support. I have no one here, as everyone was his friend, although I doubt that too. I will be leaving this h*** hole soon, with a totally different outlook on life. :wave:


Erotic, the sooner the better and I hope you will have a better outlook on life.
Let me clarify one thing about this discussion. In contrary to Rayannas position I am notarguing anything. What we are doing amounts to basicly comparing notes on life. It's like we went to an isolated island observing the animal life there. There are things that you will find and there are things that I will find. Iwill not find everything you have and vice versa. We may contradict each other "No, there is no such animal as a 5-toed sloth!" What ever we find is our own realities. Sometimes they agree and other times they don't. But disagree or not. We'reto share our reports to all that are interested.
Of all the people I've gotten into disagreements with, I have to say you were the most civilized. You didn't make exception flaming remarks. I hope you've learned as much from this as I have. Oh yes , you have the right to block me if you feel like it. ;D ;D

erotictonic
02-11-2004, 09:06 PM
Dreamer, here is what i have learned... i think you said nothing that i don't already know. Some of the things you said were completely invalid and some displayed poor reasoning skills. I think others will agree with me. You are basically making a fool of yourself, probably because you know no one can see you. You may actually be that ridiculous. I would never take advice from someone like you. No one here seems to like you.

Dreamer
02-20-2004, 10:35 AM
Dreamer, here is what i have learned... i think you said nothing that i don't already know.


So why is it that I am happy and comfortable under my skin and you are consumed in hatred and feeling so powerless?



Some of the things you said were completely invalid and some displayed poor reasoning skills.


Got to be specific (quotes). What EXACTLY did I say that was invalid or lacking reason?



I think others will agree with me.


Erotic, you've just tied Jim for proving yourself wrong in the same article. You wouldn't say that if you KNEW everything I said.



You are basically making a fool of yourself, probably
because you know no one can see you.


Well if I feel happy and you don't then I'd prefer my attitude over yours anytime of the week. I can't see you either! You do not have an avatar!
I know you guys are driving yourself crazy trying to figure out why I still am here. It's because your basic assumption about me is wrong. I know you can't possibly bring yourself to believe this but I have friends here as well and they PM me becauce THEY are afraid of being flamed by you and the like. There is no reason why I or you should have to reveal ourselves to anybody else, especially if I question your motives.



You may actually be that ridiculous. I would never take advice from someone like you. No one here seems to like you.


Second time you've proved yourself wrong. This board is for sharing information. That's exactly what I do . People write articles and I offer my advice what I would do in similar circumstances. You have the freedom to accept or reject anything I say, but it will be your loss ,not mine. ;D ;D

JimLovesJazz
02-20-2004, 11:44 AM
I am sick of this guy- men like him give the rest of us a bad name.

DREAMER JUST LEAVE THE WOMAN ALONE

Its clear she doesn't want your so called advice so all you're doing trying to force more interaction with her is harassing her. Just let it go already. :irked:

erotictonic
02-20-2004, 01:10 PM
Dreamer,

#1 You aren't fooling anyone here, so don't waste your time.

#2 Your arguments are so ridiculous, i just can't believe it. What kind of a convoluted mind would "Dream" up such trash. I am NOT going to be specific, I don't have to. Anyone with reasoning skills can see that I'm right, and you're an IDIOT.

You deserve it Dreamer.

No one here is wasting their time thinking about you, Dreamer. We don't need to, we've got you all figured out. If you were happy, well-adjusted, and intelligent, you wouldn't have those disturbing thoughts in the first place, and you certainly wouldn't be posting them. There are alot of intelligent, experienced, well-rounded individuals posting in these forums; you should be embarrassed. I'm sure you wouldn't have the guts to say these things to them. That is the point I was making when I said you were making a fool of yourself because no one can see you. Once again, you misinterpreted. What's new??????

Furthermore, women visit this website to share and support one another. The LAST thing a woman in need wants is to be confronted with is a stalker who lurks around trying to undermine her already-wounded confidence. We come here to get away from these situations. I think you should've been banned from this site a long time ago...

Dreamer
02-21-2004, 11:12 AM
I am sick of this guy- men like him give the rest of us a bad name.


Jim, YOU give men a bad name. If that isn't patently obvious I can give you quotes to fill this website. Of course ,you take exception to that, right?



DREAMER JUST LEAVE THE WOMAN ALONE

Its clear she doesn't want your so called advice so all you're doing trying to force more interaction with her is harassing her. Just let it go already. :irked:


Jim, HOW am I forcing her to interact?????? She has the right to block me. Why doesn't she do that? She doesn't need you to tell HER what to do. Quit trying to force her to interact. This is a voluntary discussion. Anyone can back out on their own. Nobody forces anyone to reply. ;D ;D ;D

Dreamer
02-21-2004, 11:55 AM
Dreamer,

#1 You aren't fooling anyone here, so don't waste your time.


I'm not trying to fool anyone so I'm not wasting my time.



#2 Your arguments are so ridiculous, i just can't believe it. What kind of a convoluted mind would "Dream" up such trash. I am NOT going to be specific, I don't have to. Anyone with reasoning skills can see that I'm right, and you're an IDIOT.


You won't quote because you are wrong and you know it.



You deserve it Dreamer.

No one here is wasting their time thinking about you, Dreamer. We don't need to, we've got you all figured out. If you were happy, well-adjusted, and intelligent, you wouldn't have those disturbing thoughts in the first place, and you certainly wouldn't be posting them.


And what disturbing thoughts may I ask are "those"? Do you mean when I asked you , why do you work for men whom you despise? I can't think of a more appropriate place to post it. Well Erotic, why?



There are alot of intelligent, experienced, well-rounded individuals posting in these forums; you should be embarrassed. I'm sure you wouldn't have the guts to say these things to them. That is the point I was making when I said you were making a fool of yourself because no one can see you. Once again, you misinterpreted. What's new??????


Why should I be embarrassed? I certainly hope there are intelligent, experienced , well-rounded on this board. Those are the ones I hope to reach. I'm an open book. I have nothing to hide. The one's that can't see me are the fools. I find that the case because they choose not to see me. I'm glad you got that clarified, now how about all your other misconceptions?



Furthermore, women visit this website to share and support one another. The LAST thing a woman in need wants is to be confronted with is a stalker who lurks around trying to undermine her already-wounded confidence. We come here to get away from these situations. I think you should've been banned from this site a long time ago...


I have been stalked by many women here all with the intention of undermining my self-confidence!!!! I always seek to build confidence. That is why my friends PM me to help with their confidence. That's because they can't take the bashing YOU and the like would subject them to if they expressed their opinion freely!
Have you read the article by Pryce in Site Issues about dealing with a gremlin? He identifies those who write articles like "I hate men" as being such. It is you who should have been banned long ago.
You will never take my advice? Good, then go back to your abusive boyfriend if you like. I win either way. ;D ;D

JimLovesJazz
02-21-2004, 09:54 PM
Dreamer = :troll:

erotictonic
02-22-2004, 05:22 AM
LOL, Jim I think you're right....



:beer:

Dreamer
02-23-2004, 12:02 PM
Dreamer = :troll:


Fine Jim, you know the feeling is mutual. You have the right to your opinion however, the FACTS tell a different story. ;D ;D ;D

JimLovesJazz
02-23-2004, 05:22 PM
Ah the facts according to Dreamer. :dunce:

Bridgette
02-23-2004, 06:35 PM
Folks, Dreamer just likes to stir up trouble. :troll: Ignore his BS and it fades away into the archives.

polecat
02-23-2004, 06:46 PM
Bah, that's no fun Bridgette!

It's fun to taunt-and-run, so as he can repeat time #2,017 how happy, stable and grounded he is.. then go on about how his opinionated bias is somehow related to FACTS.. :D

erotictonic
02-24-2004, 09:50 AM
LOL :bouncey:

PERFECT!! Where are all of YOUR so-called friends, Dreamer??


:3dglasses: :beer: :bong: :boobies: :bullwhip: :bump: :camera: :chat: :cheers: :cloud9: :cool: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dazzled: :drunk:
:duel: :finger: :flirt: :goodvibes: :great: :grouphug: :headbanger: :highfive: :hug: :hyper: :juggle: :laughing: :monkeedance: :moped: :neener: :party: :peace: :queen: :razz: :rotfl: :seesaw: :shocking: :silly: :sing: :slaphappy: :smiley: :spin: :strip: :sun: :thanx: :thumbsup: :tophat: :trip: :umbrella: :wave: :whistleblower: :wink: :wizard: :yes: :yinyang: :yummy:

Dreamer
02-24-2004, 09:58 AM
Folks, Dreamer just likes to stir up trouble. :troll: Ignore his BS and it fades away into the archives.


LOL You wish!!! ;D ;D

Dreamer
02-24-2004, 10:06 AM
LOL :bouncey:

PERFECT!! Where are all of YOUR so-called friends, Dreamer??


:3dglasses: :beer: :bong: :boobies: :bullwhip: :bump: :camera: :chat: :cheers: :cloud9: :cool: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dazzled: :drunk:


:duel: :finger: :flirt: :goodvibes: :great: :grouphug: :headbanger: :highfive: :hug: :hyper: :juggle: :laughing: :monkeedance: :moped: :neener: :party: :peace: :queen: :razz: :rotfl: :seesaw: :shocking: :silly: :sing: :slaphappy: :smiley: :spin: :strip: :sun: :thanx: :thumbsup: :tophat: :trip: :umbrella: :wave: :whistleblower: :wink: :wizard: :yes: :yinyang: :yummy:


As I told you before, they do not have the same self-confidence against your bashings as I do. Their identity is kept in confidentiality. They may expose themselves on their own accord but I don't break my promise to them.
Anyway, you wouldn't believe me either way. By the way, that is an impressive array of smileys. You must collect them. ;D ;D ;D

Strong Bad
02-24-2004, 06:42 PM
I'm not sure why they hate men, but it might be because of Oprah.
I saw on her show earlier this week her topic was "Men who breathe. "How can we stop them?"

Rhiannon
02-24-2004, 08:27 PM
I'm not sure why they hate men, but it might be because of Oprah.
I saw on her show earlier this week her topic was "Men who breathe. "How can we stop them?"


LOL Strong.. That damn evil Oprah!
:eek:

Dreamer
02-26-2004, 10:19 AM
Ah the facts according to Dreamer. :dunce:




No Jim, the facts according to Pryce and the rest of the world that apparently isn't included in yours. ;D ;D

Dreamer
02-26-2004, 10:34 AM
Erotic, you seem to claim that men's actionsare resultant from their natural state by your observations. Have you ever seen steel? Well steel is not the form of the object in it's natural state to the uneducated. Steel in it's natural state is a piece of iron ore in the ground. We take it, refine it and alloy it with carbon to produce steel. You've admitted that the way people appear in the world is majorly a result of their upbringing. Yet you claim that women are basicly helpless against the influence of men.
Erotic, you work a job that requires you manipulate men to acquire their money. Is this their natural state? That is, do you normally walk up to a strange man and find them willing to tip you? Every day you prove yourself wrong when you say you are helpless to men. The ONLY time you run into trouble is when you bite of more than you can chew like with your former boyfriend. For some reason you cannot bring yourself to believe you've won in a war that was long over.

erotictonic
02-26-2004, 01:14 PM
I am happy to announce that I no longer hate men. I dislike the rude, disresrespectful ones, and the ones who act as predators. I no longer think all men are this way. The hatred and bitterness obviously stemmed from the abuse.

I wasn't ever doing the bashing... funny you think so. I was merely venting... had been through an awful experience. It helped to be supported and acknowledged. You had to jump in with your big fat mouth and argue against points I never made. If you even knew half of what I have experienced, you would be feeling terrible for taking the positon that you have.

I don't really understand your argument Dreamer. It seems as if you enjoy arguing for the sake of it. This to me has become tedious and boring. It was fun playing games, but now even that has lost it's appeal. So you continue and say whatever just to get your jollies, Dreamer.

Pryce can speak for himself. So can Rayanna, Bridgette, Polecat, Jim, and I. I still haven't seen this "rest of the world" you dream up. Grow up, and make some points that make sense.



ET :sun:

Dreamer
02-27-2004, 09:56 AM
I am happy to announce that I no longer hate men. I dislike the rude, disresrespectful ones, and the ones who act as predators. I no longer think all men are this way. The hatred and bitterness obviously stemmed from the abuse.

I wasn't ever doing the bashing... funny you think so. I was merely venting... had been through an awful experience. It helped to be supported and acknowledged. You had to jump in with your big fat mouth and argue against points I never made. If you even knew half of what I have experienced, you would be feeling terrible for taking the positon that you have.

I don't really understand your argument Dreamer. It seems as if you enjoy arguing for the sake of it. This to me has become tedious and boring. It was fun playing games, but now even that has lost it's appeal. So you continue and say whatever just to get your jollies, Dreamer.

Pryce can speak for himself. So can Rayanna, Bridgette, Polecat, Jim, and I. I still haven't seen this "rest of the world" you dream up. Grow up, and make some points that make sense.



ET :sun:


Good for you Erotic. I don't suppose you will ever understand me or my arguements. We all dislike rude people. I'm really glad that you found some peace in your life. As I said before , you are one of the more civilized people that I've had to converse with. ;D ;D ;D

JPremium
09-14-2005, 10:15 AM
I don't hate men, I hate MARKS. Every guy is under the impression that all these beautiful naked girls are just dying to suck their dick, but unfortunately this is the fantasy we have to cater to in order to empty their wallets.

Oh well. I've never had a customer touch me more than once. Which is why I hate marks but love bouncers :)

TROU8LE~
09-14-2005, 10:39 AM
Thats why I started dancing is because I hated men. I couldnt find a reason 4 them to even exsist. So, why not make $ off them? This was years ago, I felt that way!! lol-- I dont "hate them "as much" anymore.. lol. Maybe if I meet one man who is just "good." Ill change. But all the men Ive met, they are ONLY good for their own personal reasons. -because they WANT something. I really hate people like that. And men fall into that catagory. The women I know, they will take me out or do what ever.. and not expect anything in return. Its all about pure love and respect. -not challenge. =such as how men relate everything to. Challenge is not a bad thing, but to relate everything to it?.. daamn.. lol I do have awsome guy friends though. But guys that I date?!?.. oh my god.. lol... they just entertain me..

Krazyjane
09-29-2005, 03:10 AM
I don’t think that a lot of strippers hate men, but we are extremely aware of what men are underneath their everyday masks, which makes us paranoid. Face it, people act differently in situations, like with friends vs. with a guy that you have a crush on. In a strip club, we see men who feel no need to give us the slightest courtesy. They assume that we don’t have feelings or shame, that we were created specifically for the purpose of kissing their asses while they slap ours. I’d be lapdancing a man with a wife and three little girls who’d ask me for a BJ and grope me. A guy who’s known on campus for being a sweetie called me a slut and yelled at me to beg for the dollar. I’ve almost been raped in a club that had no bouncers and a pervert of a boss who got me to do stuff b/c I didn’t know any better. I’ve been groped by “bouncers” who promised to protect me. These men are our laywers, teachers, nurses, husbands, boyfriends, cops, brothers, fathers, etc. What are they like underneath, free from self-consciousness and fear of being labeled as a pervert? Given the chance, would they rape a teenage virgin and make her lick the blood off his dick? You know what the #1 excuse is that they give for groping? “You really can’t blame me,” followed by “flattery” of how gorgeous you are or how you deserved it by seducing him. That’s bullshit unless you have an extreme case of Tourette’s Syndrome. Another thing that pisses me off is the line, “I can’t help it.” I was almost raped by my high school ex while making out with him. He started shaking and started forcing me to kiss him while taking off my clothes. He then started crying while still doing it, claiming that he didn’t want to rape me but couldn’t control his actions. Again, that is bullshit. I’ve lapdanced hundreds of guys who, despite me grinding and breathing on their (decent!) erogenous zones and almost driving them to spooging their pants, managed to keep their hands on the sides of the couches.

Another thing is the male friends who betray our trust. I stripped in a college town, so word got around. Many of my male friends who found out would approach me sexually in some way, whether it was jokingly asking for a lapdance, requests for freebies, or a slap on the ass. It’s a true test of friendship. True friends acknowledge that you are the same person, that stripping is not a part of your personality, and that you don’t grind strangers’ dicks OTC. Rejects will assume that they have access to you, and that they can drop the courtesy of treating you like a person. I could go on forever on these rejects. Most of them claim that they’re chivalrous, that they could never disrespect a woman (this often alternates with whining that women treat them like shit b/c they don’t have backbones). One ex-friend even went so far as to justify his requests by analogizing it to, “If I had a doctor friend, I’d ask him for healthcare advice. Likewise, I asked you to share some of your services (Advice is one thing, I’d give ADVICE on stripping, I’m not a charity whore.)” He even told his mom that I was a stripper, claiming that he wasn’t going to lie to her (Did she ask you point blank if I was a stripper? NO. I am a student and a nurse, not a stripper). All in all, true friends know that you strip but are not a stripper. Rejects see you as public pussy.

Bunny, I feel ya. I have many male friends who think that they can pass certain boundaries just b/c they felt comfortable. It’s scary knowing what men are capable of beneath the caring exterior, knowing the potentials and not knowing if they’re truthful or not.

I do not hate men by any means. I am blessed to have a wonderful boyfriend who hated the fact I stripped, yet supported me with everything and never judged me. I sometimes lash out at him, which I feel terrible about because he’s been nothing but good to me. I will marry this man. I have several male friends who I have used the “I’m a stripper,” test on and have proven themselves worthy by not letting their balls do the thinking. I’m still healing from the shithole club that I started out at, where the boss would turn down the music so the “bouncer” could have a more peaceful nap. I’m seeing a shrink. All the same, when I meet a person- male, female, adult, teen- I can’t help but wonder when they’re like under their conscious masks. This is a distant cousin to the “former fat kid’s paranoia (are they treating me like a person b/c I’m skinny now?).” I’ve realized that the world is not a nice place, and that people can be wolves in sheep’s clothing.

For all you abused women out there, read a book called The Gift of Fear. It explains why so many women go back to abusive relationships. As for women always being the victims, I’ve seen men treated badly too. Women just tend to be more passive-aggressive, less obvious. Also, inequality of genders plays a huge part. If a man abuses a woman, he’s a monster. If a woman abuses a man she 1) is cute, especially when she bitch-slaps him 2) needs your help 3) is getting to you and you need to be a man and stick up for yourself, which consequently, will land you in jail b/c see the previous statement about men abusing women. Look at Phil and Brynn Hartman. She would pull all sorts of crazy shit in public and claim all sorts of shit, and he couldn’t do anything b/c she would pull publicity stunts. Brynn shot Phil, then herself.

Does anyone else agree with this paranoia of how people really are, namely men?

TJAndDani
09-29-2005, 03:53 AM
I didnt bother reading all 13 pages of this.

They hate men because threads like this are created. Maybe its not men they hate and its just you?

hotboddan
10-04-2005, 04:42 PM
All The Looks In The World Wont Help You Hide A Bad Attitude It Projects Thru To The Crowd And Attracts Ghouls And Entities There Is Nothing More Attractive Than A Humble Loving Performer I Feel And Cosmically Your Mana Will Come Back Three Fold

bostondancer
10-04-2005, 10:23 PM
Being disgusted with the male species has nothing to do with me neing a stripper , its more the men I have met outside of the club that I find revolting . Thats just me though .

FL Dancer
10-05-2005, 08:38 AM
Why do so many strippers hate men ?

Hmm, well the short answer is because so many men treat women ( and in particular strippers) very poorly.

Alpha_Male
10-05-2005, 09:26 AM
Wow, after reading some of the posts I think I now hate men too /:O
In all seriousness, there are some great guys out there, I'm one :) . Women are God's most beautiful and wonderful creation and should be treated with the upmost respect. Sadly, there are a great deal of men out there that don't hold the same view I do. I see them everyday and have heard stories. Let's face it, there are alot of guys out there who objectify women and can be real dicks.

VenusGoddess
10-05-2005, 09:29 AM
If you are finding yourself in the company of people whom you do not like...it's time to start looking at yourself and why you are attracting these kinds of people to you.

Prester_John
10-05-2005, 10:15 AM
Women are God's most beautiful and wonderful creation and should be treated with the upmost respect.

And here I though all along that hippopotomusseses were God's most beautiful and wonderful creation. Now you are telling me that woman are.

Who Knew?

Alpha_Male
10-05-2005, 10:27 AM
And here I though all along that hippopotomusseses were God's most beautiful and wonderful creation. Now you are telling me that woman are.

Who Knew?

hippopotomusseses are ranked after women, but just before men ;D

Prester_John
10-05-2005, 10:35 AM
Wow.. I just realized this thread is almost 3 freakin years old.

:sing:"This is the Thread That Never Ends... It Keeps Going On and On, My Friend...Some people started posting on it not knowing what it was, and now they'll continue posting on it forever just because...This is the Thread That Never Ends... It Keeps Going On and On, My Friend..." :sing:

slogan63
10-05-2005, 12:09 PM
As opposed to giving sexual favors for $500.00?