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PaigeDWinter
03-25-2006, 09:10 AM
Trust me, this is a whole lot BIGGER than some I make less than ________ girls threads.


How so?

Brock the Jock
03-25-2006, 09:12 AM
Hi Noa,

You need not pay attention to people that discriminate against you.

You are beautiful girl. I only spend my money on fine black girls when I am in the club.
In fact, I prefer clubs that are much more diverse than your basic traditional club.
I am a male dancer and only date black girls. I love them.

All the Best Sweet Thing.

Brock

Malibu
03-25-2006, 09:53 AM
I have to agree with Paige on this. I too am sick of these threads and I am black. Sure, I do not live in the US where this probably may be more of a problem in certain areas, but I definitely have encountered racism myself at the club (such as my time in Portugal) yet I didn't hype on about it endlessly. I learned to meet the people who liked me and maximised on them.

These threads in the most part, are not constructive. Sure, everyone needs time to vent their problems, no matter what, but all these threads do is arouse anger, frustration with very little information on how to deal with the racism. There are a gazillion threads on this topic and they are just getting so boring and rarely anything new is said. There is some good info on the earlier threads (especially posts by Tina) which people should search for and read whenever they're having a hard time so they can learn to deal with things instead of starting more repetitive threads.

However, one thing that I do not agree about is the comparison between not being hired because you are black versus weight/hair/etc issues. You can lose weight, dye your hair, change your music or whatever; I'm not saying that these issues do not deserve attention or the fact that you have to change these things about yourself is always a good thing, but the thing is, you CAN change those things. They are not in the same league as your race, which you CANNOT change.

All I call for are for these threads to be limited. You have to learn to make yourself stand out and succeed. Do not be a victim and moan if you are not willing to do something about it.

My :twocents:

PaigeDWinter
03-25-2006, 11:17 AM
However, one thing that I do not agree about is the comparison between not being hired because you are black versus weight/hair/etc issues. You can lose weight, dye your hair, change your music or whatever; I'm not saying that these issues do not deserve attention or the fact that you have to change these things about yourself is always a good thing, but the thing is, you CAN change those things. They are not in the same league as your race, which you CANNOT change.



I wasnt quite trying to compare them on a changeable/unchangeable level. What I was trying to get across is that there are SO many forms of discrimination in this industry. And there really isnt much that can be done to change THAT. I mean really, how many times can you hear the same answers to the "I dont do well here cause I am ________"? Change clubs, change areas, etc etc... Its not like A Million Stripper March is going to occur and carve out new changes in the industry as a whole.

Yes, I may be able to change my hair color or get a tan or whatever, but it is still a slam on heritage. I am a dark haired, olive skinned, pale chick. The PRINCIPLE is that I shouldnt HAVE to change me. If I were unable to change my skin tone by tanning, then would I be on the same level as someone who is 100% black, or at least way more than I am? The ability to alter image aside, to not hire, or not get dances from or not make money based on heritage sucks. In general. All around. Do ya really think I have never heard, "Sorry, I dont get dances from white girls?" You should have seen the club before where I am now! Got it a lot. Is that ANY better than if a guy said "Sorry, I dont get dances from black girls."? Where I am now? "Sorry, I dont get dances from non blondes, or girls without tans, or girls who are your age, etc...." Still doesnt make it right.

But the threads will go on, and on, and on... and on.... and nothing will happen EXCEPT venting. Whereas venting is good for the soul, without closure to it, what ends up happening? Not damn much. I dunno about anywhere else, but I'm in a Right To Work State. If a girl wanted to TRY to sue for racism at a strip club, I think the entire judicial system in this state would laugh the damn state right off of the continent. I honestly dunno how much better anyone else would do anywhere else. Unless somehow we can manage to DO something about __________ type of girls getting better treatment from employers and customers, all this site is going to do is get overweighted with RANT RANT VENT VENT BOOM.

I applaud anyone for standing up for themselves. I dont care WHY it is. Race, religion, sexuality, gender, dont give a good god damn. But it is really becoming fruitless to find a thread from years ago and stir it up.

Silky
03-25-2006, 02:39 PM
In regards to some discriminatory factors having more "weight" than others...I feel that alot of it could depend on the history and severity of it on whole. Individuals of African American heritage may be more likely to feel the need to address and discuss issues of discrimination based on the "features" that so horrendously caused people with their background suffering before. They also may be more likely to be offended when they are rejected by some idiot that will not hire them. This is simply because of the fact that it is sad that this type of discrimination is STILL witnessed in less apparent ways today in 2006.
The point of this post is not to suggest that people should dwell on the "past", or take acts of discrimination against people without a hurtful history less seriously. One could also argue that people without blue eyes and blonde hair could be affected by historical incidents as well. My point is to say that some people may just be more hurt and pissed off about situations of discrimination, more than others, based on past severitys. They may feel the need to discuss it more. Not saying this is true for everyone... but it could be a probable reason for why people are affected by these issues differently.

PaigeDWinter
03-25-2006, 04:01 PM
If a girl has a problem with their old man, they post about it to vent. 2 or 3 years later, most of those posts dont get a revival tour, someone else just makes a whole new post. Also, you can SOLVE an asshole problem post a lot more easily than racism. This is part of why old posts about asshole ex's dont get as much revival.

Silky
03-25-2006, 05:46 PM
Also, when a girl posts about a boyfriend... there are unique details and situations involved with her specific situation. There is not much need for revival because another girl will come along and post a thread about a new situation regarding a boyfriend. One could also start a new thread, based on a new specific incident that occured regarding a form of discrimination within our industry. All types of discussion are still getting equal vent time this way.

Optimist
03-25-2006, 06:54 PM
Are you saying you want a new thread on new suffering or concerns? The Wal-mart hair pill thread goes on and on and on..... It doesn't annoy me. It just looks like someone wants to talk about it again. New members cruise through everyday. Let 'em vent.

Silky
03-25-2006, 09:38 PM
I do not want anything personally, i read or post on whatever, nor do i really care what threads are around or not. I am simply suggesting an idea that may cause less assumptions by people that the threads are simply the "same old rant that cant be solved." This was never to suggest that no new information can go into older threads. If a lady wants to post about a unique situation that happened between her strip hating boyfriend,she should probably start a thread. If she wants to talk about the fact that boyfriends exist that hate stripping she should revive the old thread probably. If a lady wants to discuss the fact that racial prejudice exists within our industry...she could benefit from a thread revival. If it's a unique situation that happened to her regarding discrimination...she could most likely benefit from a new thread. This suggestion is to keep things a little more at ease since it seems to be stirring frustration. It could also help dancers get information or give information without bypassing anything.

Optimist
03-25-2006, 10:00 PM
No, I was asking Paige because I wasn't sure if it was the age of the thread or the subject that bothered her. I think it's harmless to revive or add to old threads as you have additional relevant experiences. We're probably in agreement.

PaigeDWinter
03-25-2006, 10:27 PM
No, I was asking Paige because I wasn't sure if it was the age of the thread or the subject that bothered her. I think it's harmless to revive or add to old threads as you have additional relevant experiences. We're probably in agreement.


My big problem is that reviving it and reviving it and reviving it without any way to SOLVE it is just.... well its a damn pain in the ass. For everyone. Those who are experiencing the problem, and those who have to keep hearing about it. This is why I dont revive my bitching about not making as much as ________ or ______ or ______ girls. I may be able to change my skin tone or hair color or chest size, but I shouldnt have to. Especially to get hired. Which is a main problem in a lot of these threads about black girls. The subject itself doesnt bother me. Racism sucks. any sort of judgement like that sucks. I get it, I think everyone does in some way. Hell, I spent my whole life being the mixed kid so I got it from several angles... but I dont rehash and rehash what I cant fix. If someone makes a post asking if having a tan helps $$$ I tell them how it effects me. If someone asks if being blonde helps $$$$ again I pipe in. But I dont go seeking out ancient threads about these things just to keep them going and refuel anger. The anger wont stop cause the racism wont stop and what can we really do about it here? Really? As I said... The Million Stripper March is not going to happen and even if it did it wouldnt change the world. I also get a wild hair up my ass when someone tells me that, just because I CAN change my skin tone, my being less hired or making less money or getting turned away by customers is less important or less of a problem. It is STILL predjudice and it STILL sucks but I CANT make a club owner hire a more even mix of girls or make a customer like me instead of Malibu Barbie or whatever. So many threads about not being hired or making money based on some sort of physical/heritage subject usually gets answered with the same thing. Go somewhere else. If there is nowhere else you can afford to travel to, get a retail job or somesuch and move on. Seriously. And this is even something I've been told in the past too. I'm only about 1/16 black, and I know ya cant damn tell, but I DO feel for black girls who feel how they do. Or Hispanic girls, Asian girls, and so on and so forth. I also feel for the non blondes, the older girls, the inked up girls, the flat girls, yadda yadda. It is never gonna stop so just move on. THAT is all I am really trying to say.

Optimist
03-25-2006, 10:45 PM
Hey Sis! See, one more thing we have in common :) I think it's newbies reviving. My first month I'd post on things and not realize how old they were. Because I live with racism everyday I'm probably used to the sloooow process of changing minds. I also know that when you're new it's so vital to know that it's not in your head and get advice on solving the problem. Every time I see one of these threads I learn a new perspective. I love seeing black girls give this job a try. When I started, back in the Stone Age, we were few and far between. Thank God for the individuals who gave me advice on where to go and what to wear etc. It meant the difference between surviving in NY or going home to Mama because entry-level pay wasn't cutting it. So even though you don't see the progress because the ungrateful pups don't come back to tell us ;) I think we make a difference for them. They certainly make a difference to me. I love to give back.

siena_b
03-25-2006, 11:15 PM
Optimist you are right on! When I started dancing I was ready to believe that maybe I wouldn't make so much money because I didn't have big boobs, or had a few extra lbs. I wasn't ready to believe that guys would look at my skin tone as a deciding factor to give me money instead of seeing me as the damn hot bitch I am! It's tough when youre new. It's even tougher when youre new and arent white. I mean, really, dark skinned dancers can't just pick up and go dance anywhere like light skinned dancers can. Arkansas? No thanks. I think this thread is important to let girls know that we all have the same problem but we deal because this is the work we've chosen.

Corgan
03-26-2006, 01:21 PM
at a certain club I worked in, I went and talked to my managers about hiring my friend. This is what they asked me...

"is she skinny?'
"is she hot?'
"is she white?"

that club can't afford to be picky, and I was appalled by what they said to me.

Optimist
03-26-2006, 02:00 PM
Here's more reason why these threads still have meaning and purpose www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64147 (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64147)

cinammonkisses
03-26-2006, 03:46 PM
^^^It can't be "found" anymore...

Optimist
03-26-2006, 04:11 PM
Now it's workin'! www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64147

secondtimearound
03-27-2006, 03:51 AM
I don't think anyone here has "hyped" on about the topic endlessly.

I've read the entire thread. I saw vents and observations. Even though this is a sensitive subject, I didn't feel any negativity from those who have posted in this thread.

I'm not trying to be exclusive, but if you're not a Black woman who has faced this, you probably won't understand why this thread was begun and why it was revived. It was started and revived because Black women (including myself) felt the need to discuss our experiences and observations as Black dancers who experience discrimination in hiring practices in strip clubs or even prejudice from customers. This goes way beyond men having "preferences." If you are not a Black woman from America or other countries where slavery, segregation, and prejudice were (and in some cases still are) a part of the society that you live in, you will probably not understand the point of this thread.

I agree with the individual who made this statement a few posts ago: if you don't like it, or if you feel that we're beating a dead horse, you should move on and pay attention to threads that interest or entertain you.

diamond2004
03-27-2006, 06:29 AM
BenderTheOffender, the whole point is not that black woman will not make as much money, but that the owners of some clubs do not even give black women the chance to. Even though it is a business, the owners still project their personal opinions of beauty on the public. I guess it is inevitable for them to do so. However, this does not make it right. I happen to be a mixed dancer with an exotic look so I don't really encounter this problem as much. But I do see it happening to others. Just because there are "specialized clubs" for African Americans does not mean that I should have to work in one. If everyone took that kind of separatist attitude America would still be segregated. But its people with your mindset that are propelling this problem.

cliffnotes= separate is wrong

Malibu
03-27-2006, 09:19 AM
I don't think anyone here has "hyped" on about the topic endlessly.



I've read the entire thread. I saw vents and observations. Even though this is a sensitive subject, I didn't feel any negativity from those who have posted in this thread.

You have only read one thread of many.



I agree with the individual who made this statement a few posts ago: if you don't like it, or if you feel that we're beating a dead horse, you should move on and pay attention to threads that interest or entertain you.

To an extent, I agree, but they clog up the forum. There are threads like this so often. If it weren't for the volume of them, I would ignore them. But just like the multiple ''How do I choose a stage name'' threads we used to have, too many of them can become bothersome.



I agree with virtually everything said in the thread generally and with the unhappiness about the discrimination issues (and I don't mean just about being black, I mean about all sorts of discimination within the sex industry), but I just want to reiterate that if you have a tough situation, it helps to look for answers. I and everyone knows we needs to vent. Goodness knows, I vent at times too. But to be fair almost every person who posts about their situation regarding racism is rarely posting anything new. This subject will exist for evermore it seems. You need the sisterhood, but also try and find the answers that will help you cope. I seriously believe that if the people who posted in these threads were looking for something/someway/someone to help them instead of just being unhappy all of the time and doing nothing but JUST to vent, then I do think they'd be less threads. And don't forget, searching can help.

Again, my :twocents:

Optimist
03-27-2006, 11:28 AM
To an extent, I agree, but they clog up the forum. There are threads like this so often. If it weren't for the volume of them, I would ignore them. But just like the multiple ''How do I choose a stage name'' threads we used to have, too many of them can become bothersome.

I just want to reiterate that if you have a tough situation, it helps to look for answers. But to be fair almost every person who posts about their situation regarding racism is rarely posting anything new. I seriously believe that if the people who posted in these threads were looking for something/someway/someone to help them instead of just being unhappy all of the time and doing nothing but JUST to vent, then I do think they'd be less threads. And don't forget, searching can help.
Again, my :twocents:

This is clogging up the forum because there are people interested in it. It's not like a stage name thread because this is the ONLY one that's been going for the last couple months. So it's not the number of threads that's bothering you. Perhaps it's your frustration on this subject? You're seriously wrong to believe no solutions have been offered in this thread. If you're interested in what's been suggested read the whole thread. And I hope you'll be happy to know we aren't 'unhappy all the time' and we do far more than 'just vent'. I can understand taking us off topic if we were fighting but we were posting on our merry way and now some memebers are hijacking the thread and are IRRITATED /:O ? We should be irritated some of you aren't respecting the rules of the site! Stop taking us off topic please!>:(

Star_bare_elegance
03-27-2006, 12:09 PM
No need to be angry folks…. IF I‘m not....its hard for the many people on this site who have never been hit with racism to understand the pain. I have been called the black girl by fellow dancers.... called when black customers come in by management and told that I was pretty for a black girl by custys. I have been waved off and most of the time not even looked in the eye. I have received "pity dollars" from custy that have left my stage. I have had a entire crowd clap at my stage show and received not a darn penny. I have been called a nigger by a man that did not want to pay for $40 dollars worth of dances. I have been told "this is not a black girl club out of 80 regular girls we have two black girls that come and go try if you like" I now work at a Black Club where the dances are 15 each just so I can at least have a steady income.....IMO These issue have not gone away so neither should the thread.

miabella
03-27-2006, 10:16 PM
just for persepective, for everyone thinking this discussion is 'clogged' or 'tired', i am pretty obviously afro-american and have gone to clubs seeking work and customers have thought i was signing in to work for the night. they offered me money upfront and management said i couldn't work. MANAGEMENT, not customers, said i couldn't work at all, and basically screwed me out of at least 100-200 for the given shift i came in for (i know this based on what i earned first shift at the clubs that would hire me). customers will spend on a diversity of women, but management is what wrecks it. it's seriously not a 'preference' issue, it is straight, pure, ugly racism and NOTHING MORE. you can't pretend otherwise without being moderately delusional. and seriously, i say this an obviously black woman who sells to those older white guys pretty easily these days, so i know they aren't afraid to give me money. but club managers will stonewall a superhot black girl for weeks even when she is trying to bring money to the club.

secondtimearound
03-27-2006, 10:19 PM
"You have only read one thread of many."


I made no mention of other threads, because the individual I was responding to did not mention any others. She spoke of the revival of this particular thread. However, the only thread I have found which closely mirrors this one is "Beautiful Black Exotic Dancers- Y is it so hard to make money?". The board provides links to threads of "similar topics", and being that I find this topic very relevant, I surely would have followed links to any other sister threads. However, to ensure I wasn't overlooking the many you say are on this wonderful board , I just completed a search on "Black Dancers" and found, "Black girls aren't liked out here". However, upon reading it, the author specifically states the thread was started in response to a statement made by a fellow member of this board; her intent was not to turn it into a thread such as this.

The search for "Black Dancers" and "racism" each resulted in 4 pages of threads, and only a handful discuss racism/prejudice towards Black dancers. Some of them were not even started by Black women. I certainly do not see any "clogging" up of the forum or a high volume of these posts. Perhaps my search wasn't fruitful and I've missed something. If you would like to kindly point out to me the multitude of threads on this topic, I'm willing to be directed to them.


"You need the sisterhood, but also try and find the answers that will help you cope. I seriously believe that if the people who posted in these threads were looking for something/someway/someone to help them instead of just being unhappy all of the time and doing nothing but JUST to vent, then I do think they'd be less threads. And don't forget, searching can help."



I agree with you. Relentless venting and b*tching solves nothing. But as I said in my original post, in addition to the vents, I also read observations. Observations on how people were striving to do better in spite of prejudice, improving their hustle, finding men who were receptive to Black women, etc. I saw encouragement. The majority of posters were aware that ranting and raving would not change anything, although I do not recall any ranting and raving. (I'm sure someone was, so I can't say there was none at all.) Although the topic may suggest "discouraging posts ahead - read at your own risk", I never came away from reading these threads with a feeling of negativity.

From what I have read, I think many others can say the same. I don't see why women who have little to no experience with this issue have problems with this thread, other than being uncomfortable with the topic, or maybe they think it'll spill over to Black dancers vs. White dancers. (That is not the intention of this thread or the few like it.) I have seen what I consider redundant, sometimes unnecessary topics on this forum but I could care less. I'm not going to police the boards to tell others to stop posting about it or that it's a waste of time to talk about it. I will hope that the issues these women are facing will be resolved and I will move on to something more interesting and relevant to me.

secondtimearound
03-27-2006, 11:06 PM
"If they dont think you will sell well at their establishment, then thats their option to excercise."

As CK stated, a racist club manager's idea of beauty does not represent that of customers who enjoy variety and are attracted to different races of women. No one is talking about Black women who don't make the cut. If I see a fellow Black woman who does not fit the bill to work in an upscale "white" club, I'm not going to champion her right to work there. Bringing in the wrong type of women will bring the club down, meaning less money for me as more customers decide not to return.

What we are upset about - had you read the bulk of the thread- is highly attractive Black women, often times women who are more attractive than their White counterparts- not being accepted into establishments because of racist management. What we are talking about are "quotas" -only so many Black women can be hired or can be on the floor at one time. I have seen time and time again in many establishments (upscale or mid-scale) only a handful of Black women, all attractive and fit, and a sh*tload of overweight/big bellied, crackhead thin- not model thin- with not a curve to their body, pockmarked or simply not pretty White women.

I do not say this out of anger, as even non-Black customers will remark on how gorgeous the Black dancers are, and are incredulous at how the unattractive dancers I described above got hired on in the first place. I am just telling it like it is. This is not an example of managers seeing a Black dancer as not marketable, because the trash they had on stage is not marketable. This is racism, plain and simple.


"I'm not saying that black people should stick to their own clubs, but that those clubs also discriminate against the vanilla honeys just like how some clubs do against the dark mommas."

Please...when vanilla honeys are "discriminated" against, it is because they don't fit the height/weight/beauty standards set by the other women already employed. And if you are talking about "black" clubs, they are quick to hire a woman of any race.


"If every man in the world wanted a ebony princess with a buhdunkadunk, you can be sure every club owner in the world would be rushing to get more big black and beautiful talent into his club; despite how racist he may be. Its a business."

I was truly disgusted with this comment. Just like with any other race of women, there is much variety found among African Americans as far as skin color and body types. Many of us are not "ebony" skinned with "buhdunkadunks"', including your's truly....
And I've worked under a very openly racist manager...he was well aware that the clientele loved Black women and spent their money on them, however once he came on board, he proceeded to fire most of the Black dancers over a very short period of time for ridculous reasons. When people are blnded by racism, money is not going to change anything.

Malibu
03-29-2006, 04:44 AM
This is clogging up the forum because there are people interested in it. It's not like a stage name thread because this is the ONLY one that's been going for the last couple months. So it's not the number of threads that's bothering you. Perhaps it's your frustration on this subject? You're seriously wrong to believe no solutions have been offered in this thread. If you're interested in what's been suggested read the whole thread. And I hope you'll be happy to know we aren't 'unhappy all the time' and we do far more than 'just vent'. I can understand taking us off topic if we were fighting but we were posting on our merry way and now some memebers are hijacking the thread and are IRRITATED ? We should be irritated some of you aren't respecting the rules of the site! Stop taking us off topic please!

For one, it seems that you are insinuating that I do not want those who experience racism to have a voice. What is all this talk about my supposed "frustration" with the subject and trying to take you "off topic"? I am not trying to end this thread and I didn't ever say that. I was making a general statement about the number of threads and to limit them because in part, it is often the case that people spark off new ones without searching. Maybe it is that after seeing this thread after seeing so many (sometimes simultaneously) I wanted to speak up about it, and the comments that Paige made before prompted me to say my piece because I agreed with her about certain points.

Take what you may, there are people out there who do use race as an excuse all the time and permanently carry the chip on the shoulder. If you take that to personally mean I'm talking to you when I say 'unhappy all the time' and 'vent all the time', then there's little I can do about that. Look at the general picture. You are not the only one who is reading this and my message was one of encouragement to everyone experiencing the problem to do something instead of letting a problem eat you up.

If you really read what I say without misconstruing it (which it seems) you'll see what I meant. Just because I am not in agreement with you about thread control on this subject, don't take it to mean that my intentions are otherwise. Because from what I gather through your post, you are definitely taking the wrong end of the stick and making a judgement about me that is just plain wrong.

leilanicandy
03-29-2006, 09:27 AM
Rascism is such a a hurtful subject, especialy with blacks who have been target with racism. It dose not feel good to jugde as less of a woman because of your skin colour. that jerk that post earlier in the thread is a prime understanding how stupid racism is! Some people do use race as a clutch. But what the hold point of the thread is How someone was treated badly because of thier race. They are talking about it and returns, I think we should give them some type of support. Racism has been around for years. Malibu not every club except african americans. Or they have limited African american dances at thier club. I work at this club in the surburbs, that did not have a black dancer. Althought I am of mix race, my brown skin lets you know I a woman of coloured! The manger told me flat out he did'nt think I will make much money, because of my race. But by law they are not to discrimanate agaisnt a person race. He hired me and I made $500.00-$2,000.00 a night. After me they hired another black dancer, but they fierd her in 3 days. She said they where racist, I don't know what happen but I did know! they tried to put me down when they first hired me. I no longer work at that club! Why because I don't live near by the club anymore,(I lives three hours away) and it is not worth it to deal with racist people in the club who they let get away with racist comments. I am a beautiful woman. I should not be treated less than woman because of my skin color. Not everywhere and everybody excepts people of color. In Chicago you see a lot of racsim! I date a Irish man. People look at us with evil looks, and those comments. The scars that rascism has a affect on you, sometimes you need to express hurts feeling and emotion. That dose not mean you are going to quit what you are doing to and give in and accept the rasicms comment. Like people who use race as a clucth!

Tina
03-30-2006, 12:21 AM
We live in a racist society, and I think 90% of the racism comes from ignorance. For example Oprah had a show on a month or so ago where whites and blacks had their skin colors changed and were put into society. If every white person were made to look black, were put in a black neighborhood, and their kids were sent to black inner city schools for several months, the majority of white people would be totally sympathetic to our plight as black people.

The real problem here though is a black one. As black people, we cannot rely on white people to employ us. WE have to learn to acquire the wealth that white men have. Instead of hustling in the streets and being sitting ducks for the white cops to put in jail and the white court system to sentence, our young blacks need to be taught how the stock market works, how to get investors, and how to buy and build a business that is on the same level as the most successful white businesses that all races depend on.

How many Asian owned massage parlors do you see? A lot. The problem with them is that they only hire Asians. How many black owned strip clubs do you see that are NOT all black strip clubs? I know a handful. Picture 30% of the top strip clubs in the country being black owned, professionally run, with more black management than white, black DJ's, and a higher percentage of black and other ethnic dancers than the white owned clubs, but to the naked eye, a white patron couldn't tell the club is black owned.

Most SUCCESSFUL black businesses cater to all races, have more ethnic employees than white businesses, but also have white employees, to keep white customers comfortable in patronizing them.

White strip club owners and managers COULD run an integrated environment, have their DJ's guilt trip the white customers who are hesitant to buy from black dancers, and not tolerate racist customers, but they are not interested in being moral. They want to get money. If a customer calls us niggers, but that same customer is spending lots of money, who do you think the club manager will side with? White men buy from black dancers. Some black dancers will do well in a white environment depending on her looks and communication skills.

But white club managers/owners, particularly in big city clubs where the competition with other clubs is fierce, basically are uncomfortable with blacks. And they see a black woman with hips and ass as fat because they don't understand that hips and ass are considered assets in black beauty. Many customers want to see that 27 inch waist and 38 inch butt, but to the white owner that is fat.

Strip clubs WON'T change until people of color LEARN how to get the money older white men have, and people of color start taking some of them over and integrating them, offering impeccable customer service, and making the clubs a more pleasureable experience than the comparable white owned clubs.

And, every black woman doesn't have the proper "look" or social skills to work in an integrated middle to upper middle class club. Black owners will have to carefully choose the ethnic girls they hire to make sure they are a proper "fit" to insure the money customers keep patronizing the club. This is where I always say training such as what Dancer Wealth offers is essential.

Why do you think I work bookings in small town clubs. Because they are not as picky as big city clubs in hiring a woman of color, they control the amount of girls, and small towns have guys with money too so the rich and poor all go to the same clubs being that there is only one club in town.

I am tired of being "steered" into the big city clubs where all the blacks and mexicans work because the club managers see my color before my looks. White dancers just walk in and expect to be hired everywhere. Many black dancers of above average looks can sell the same guys white dancers of above average looks sell if they are hired at the same places.

But that ain't happenin' as much as it should be.

As blacks we have to learn how to get money and how to play the game the way the good ole white boys do, to have a chance of equality in this country.

kyra1105
06-07-2006, 02:21 AM
i am from iceland and here men love any dancers who are not white
but i also lived in usa and there i never had a proplem geting the job and i worked in manny so calld black clubs ........but i have never seen so much unfair bs go on when it came to some owners even black owners calling dancers ho´s and not even willing to talk to them at all just cause the girls where black well girls i am from the oldest white blood the is in the world to day (the vikings and men love you all here) so who is the barberian now lol . dont forget, smile it is not your foult thees clubs and people in them are not smarter than this.

kyra1105
06-07-2006, 02:24 AM
i am from iceland and here men love any dancers who are not white
but i also lived in usa and there i never had a proplem geting the job and i worked in manny so calld black clubs ........but i have never seen so much unfair bs go on when it came to some owners even black owners calling dancers ho´s and not even willing to talk to them at all just cause the girls where black well girls i am from one of the oldest white race that is in the world to day (the vikings) and men love you all here, so who is the barberian now lol . dont forget, smile it is not your foult thees clubs and people in them are not smarter than this.