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Pamela
07-20-2003, 06:14 AM
Alanna i work at a hospital, and release forms are part of my job....Trust me they DO work. As does the AMA form patients fill out before leaving.

This may be off topic to "poor Bambi", but yes, hopsitals Always have a patient sign many many forms based on "what can happen while recieving treatment at the facility.

This topic is dead with me. And i thought i was going to be a Bambi!!!!! Damn.
As for hospital anyone can sue a botched surgery, that is NOt in the waiver...Well in so many words.

But going under does not mean your estate can sue if you don't wake up...You signed it.
And....If you chose not to sign on the dotted lines, ALOT of hospitals will move you on out to another, or let you do an AMA or AMS.

PS no arguement here, i understand how strongly you feel, but for everyone of you or me Alanna, there are many others with the same feelings! It's all good!

Cheers,
Pamela

Tigerlilly
07-20-2003, 06:15 AM
HARSH!!! Paintballs hitting unarmed naked flesh would suck. It's like saying "If you give me cash, you have my permission to hurt me."



Pro boxing, championship fights all do this . Me I think it's awful actually . [shameful]

And what gets me is this is entertainment ???
Yeah uh maybe for Ted Bundy [sick]



There is nothing artistic about it, nothing beautiful. Just a whole lotta rich dudes shelling out $$$ to hurt a defenseless girl. Or many defenseless girls.


F*** that.




You can say that again [grr] !

doc-catfish
07-20-2003, 06:20 AM
Here's a link that explains that the HFB hunts are a hoax.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/010089.htm

Confirmation that its a hoax? Well no. If they're actually charging people's credit cards for hunts, they either ARE real and they're operating without a license, or they AREN'T real and they're involved in fraud. Either way, the bozo who started this is likely in big trouble with the law.

As far as the website being a hate site, I'm not so sure on that. These guys MIGHT be that mysoginistic, or they could just be putting that stuff up there because they knew that such absurdly hateful content would elicit the type of response that it has, (much like that old Hustler cover with the woman's legs sticking up out of the meat grinder). Although I would say there's something very "snuff video" like about selling a tape of this nature. Sick, sad world.

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 06:25 AM
And i thought i was going to be a Bambi!!!!! Damn.

LMTO!!! me too.

Alanna
07-20-2003, 07:01 AM
Alanna i work at a hospital, and release forms are part of my job....Trust me they DO work.

sorry Pam, they don't. i worked in medical malpractice for years on hundreds of cases that were won... EVERY case had an informed consent waiver that the patient signed. this is exactly why some hospitals have simply stopped using them... at best, they can deter a patient or patient's next of kin from pursuing a lawsuit because the patient or patient's next of kin believes the consent form absolves the hospital of any liability.

even if the consent forms worked half of the time (which they don't), there would not now be a huge push for medical malpractice caps on jury awards, and hospitals and physicians wouldn't have any reason to freak out over the high cost of medical malpractice insurance... the whole reason for the high costs is because insurance companies are trying to compensate for all the millions of dollars they're losing in jury awards.

think about it... if these consent forms worked, then every doctor and every hospital would have every patient sign a consent waiver before touching any patient, and there would not even be a need for doctors or hospitals to even bother carrying medical malpractice insurance (if the consent waiver absolved them of liability, why carry malpractice insurance?)... the whole medical malpractice insurance and legal fields would be wiped out.

Alanna
07-20-2003, 07:38 AM
As far as the website being a hate site, I'm not so sure on that. These guys MIGHT be that mysoginistic, or they could just be putting that stuff up there because they knew that such absurdly hateful content would elicit the type of response that it has,...

well, let me ask you this: if the site was about "Hunting for Arabs" and using derogatory references toward Arabs like "Rag Heads" or "Camel Drivers" who can be "hunted down like dogs", who do you think is going to be first in line to spend $10,000 to hunt Arabs? PEOPLE THAT HATE ARABS... anyone willing to spend $10,000 to hunt Arabs would surely have some major Arab issues. who do you think would be first in line to buy a video of a hunt for Arabs? PEOPLE THAT HATE ARABS.

take a look at these photos on the front page of the website:

http://64.185.225.9/michaelb/Bambi_tv_60_04_sm.jpg

http://64.185.225.9/michaelb/Bambi_tv_60_03_sm.jpg

based on these photos, who do you think is going to be more likely to be interested in either an actual hunt or buying a hunt video - the average deer hunter or the average woman hater?

after reading this statement that used to be on their site: "shoot one of these nagging whiny bitches where it hurts and shut her the fuck up. Then mount her like a 'Real Man.' " , who is more likely to be interested in an actual hunt or buying a hunt video - the average deer hunter or the average woman hater?

just how much more clear could it possibly be??

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 07:48 AM
So what exactly IS Hunting for Bambi? A paintball game or mass produced snuff type videos?

Santos
07-20-2003, 07:52 AM
This is not going to happen. They can't hunt a woman and screw her. It's illegal.

Exactly, that would be prostitution and it's illegal in Clark County (which includes Las Vegas).

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 07:59 AM
But the site says fly to Las Vegas and hunt on their ranch. Maybe it's a hooker ranch in Pahrump.

Naomi_Tx
07-20-2003, 08:04 AM
OMG! This is all new to me. Cannot believe these women are playing into this type of sexual aggression. Men who get-off to this fit exact profile of serial rapist. Rape is, majority of cases, an act of violence against women rather than the simple sexual pleasure.

Dose anyone know who is sponsoring this financially?

Juliette_deSade
07-20-2003, 08:08 AM
At 10 grand per hunter, I wonder who is sponsoring this financially???? Brought to you by the Big Hype. I mean for real. This is news all over. Getting lotsa bad rap ie good publicity. This thing will make a fortune!!!

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 08:11 AM
Getting lotsa bad rap ie good publicity. This thing will make a fortune!!!
Exactly. It's probably some "commercial" for some legal brothel in Nevada.

Naomi_Tx
07-20-2003, 08:21 AM
At 10 grand per hunter, I wonder who is sponsoring this financially???? Brought to you by the Big Hype. I mean for real. This is news all over. Getting lotsa bad rap ie good publicity. This thing will make a fortune!!!

I don't understand what you are saying. Maybe I should go through and read all the posts on this thread for clearer understanding. You capitalized 'Big Hype,' is that the production company?

"This is news all over... lots of publicity"
Are you suggesting I live under a rock? Perhaps; but, I do have the mental capacity to grasp the general concept without hours of unsettling research.

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 08:32 AM
I think by Big Hype she meant what a sensational and controversial stir this is causing. Hence the bad publicity = free publicity = lotsa $$$. But maybe I should let her speak for herself.

I'm really starting to believe this is some sort of advertising for a bunny ranch in the Pahrump area. Especially if "mounting" Bambi IS included.

Video sales are just more profit. All those disgusting photos are probably to create outrage and publicity. Sounds like a pretty clever marketing ploy in my opinion.

Naomi_Tx
07-20-2003, 08:37 AM
Thanks Sapphire

Don't mind me... just having another blonde moment :)

Clever marketing, yes.

moraly unjust=clever marketing.

Juliette_deSade
07-20-2003, 08:48 AM
Basically yes, that's what I mean. It has been on CNN, Netscape News, etc. So many people with so much to say, even on this forum. Many people think it is disgusting, and I am glad I can give humankind credit for that. Of course there will be a select few totally "buying" into it. It has been totally sensationalized in all lights. Naomi I wasn't implying that you lived under a rock at all :). I blurb when I am vocal.

BlurB.......*

doc-catfish
07-20-2003, 08:54 AM
well, let me ask you this: if the site was about "Hunting for Arabs" and using derogatory references toward Arabs like "Rag Heads" or "Camel Drivers" who can be "hunted down like dogs", who do you think is going to be first in line to spend $10,000 to hunt Arabs? PEOPLE THAT HATE ARABS... anyone willing to spend $10,000 to hunt Arabs would surely have some major Arab issues. who do you think would be first in line to buy a video of a hunt for Arabs? PEOPLE THAT HATE ARABS.

Anyone whose posted on usenet groups has probably gone into otherwise innocuous discussions on cooking or travel, and found completely off topic posts that were racist, mysoginistic, anti-Semitic, or otherwise hateful in tone. Are people who make these posts neccesarily bigots? Perhaps, but I'd put my money on that they're more likely some bored trolls just trying to see what type of ruckus they can start. I see a lot of that same mentality in the HFB website, or sites like rotten.com (http://rotten.com/), landoverbaptist.org (http://landoverbaptist.org/), or this ahem, article (http://www.zbone.com/zone/p-faq08.htm.) from zbone.com on "How To Gid Rid of A Dancer Permanently".

As I said before, HFB could very well be catering to woman haters, but then again it could simply be a publicity stunt to sell merchandise on the site, (and publicity this guy is getting). As sickening as those pictures look, their horrificness could simply be part of the ploy, as they seem to look a tad staged. Regardless, this is not something I'd want to spend my money on.

LoveSexMoney
07-20-2003, 09:27 AM
How funny, I just logged back on to AOL and their top story was Hunting for Bambi. In the article it was stated that "the women were not being mistreated, noting that they can wear goggles and helmets for protection if they wish."

FYI, Real Men Outdoor Productions Inc

Pamela
07-20-2003, 02:23 PM
Oh please these pictures are not real happenings. Anyone can see that. It's for show!
It'a all for the media, and people who get off looking and hearing about this crap.

Alanna it's very clear...This is not happening!!! Lol.

Take it easy, it's doing what it is supposed too...Get people like you ranting! (i mean that seriously, lots have their panties in a wad over this crap.) And thats what it is.... crap.

You can't treat a woman like that, bloody face, pouring what "gasoline" on her...Get real.

And i will tell you one thing...I work at one of the largest trauma centers in the US, and every single patient MUST sign a release form, consent for medical treatment, and ALSO, a no liable form from the hospital. Yes, people sue hospitals all the time...It's where the money lies, Do you know how many actually win out of the percentage ? Very low percentage. And usually because of poor after care!!!!!

I can't think of one hospital we have around here in Florida that does not REQUIRE waivers signed AND release forms signed upon discharge!

High medical malpractice insurance...you bet...to beat the system the best specialist are NOT part of a group, but independent now. And alot more are going that route.

Trust me, hospitals will always have you sign your life away......
You worked it, i am working it.
Get a grip...ok, it's all good.

Pamela :) :) :) :)

Dreamer
07-21-2003, 05:01 AM
I don't know how you reached that conclusion based on what I said. I've never had a problem with the choice women have. In fact, I made a point to say I am in favor of that.

There has LONG been a tradition of hurting/mutilating women for men's sexual pleasure (chinese footbinding, African genital mutilation) and it was seen as consentual....mothers would actually force their daughters to get it done because of the value placed on it. It wasn't because the mothers enjoyed watching their daughters get tortured, it was because men had been victimizing women to the point where it was acceptable to treat them as property and lesser creatures. I want to believe we're moving away from this. While Hunting for Bambi is consentual for the women, it makes me sick to my stomach to think of why men would actually want to do this.....goes back to an old tradition of men victimizing women. Hopefully we as a species have evolved enough to accept women as more than a mobile piece of meat for men....ready to be hunted down. YUCK!

It's kind of moot to rhetorically change the rules of the game to men are the victims because that doesn't play on archaic gender roles that empower men by subjectifying women.



You know Emily, I wrote one article about interpersonal commitment in relationships with people involved in the sex industry and the whole sky fell upon me. Here you are writing about mens' abuse and subjegation of women throughout the centuries paralleling it to a game of paintball and you scrape by without as much as a rap on the back of your hands.
I thought this whole bulletin was about respecting the CHOICES women make with their lives. Whether that be to jeopardize her safety taking the chance she might get mugged or raped at her job, taking the chances of contacting diseases while giving "extras", or any of her moral choices.
Can a woman choose a job that will make her enemies? Yes, if your of age daughter chooses to join the army or law enforcement as a decoy don't you think that occupation can make her enemies? The only difference is that in these jobs she does it for her country or community and in HFB she does it for herself.
Esalen of Big Sur often employs clients physically grab and shake their employees to release aggression as part of an anger management process. I as an instructor will allow my students to kick and punch me as part of their training. The difference with this is that it is a CONTROLLED environment. There are others watching and supervising should the client abuse the rules. It is not a detention or interogation camp. The client knows what is expected from him under the correct circumstances.
I think the abuse of women throughout the centuries pales in comparison to the abuse men subject on each other for breaking societies rules. For example, in biblical days the women and children of a defeated city during a war would be sold into slavery. Not a good thing but the men would all be crucified and burned. You could request to switch punishments of your conqueror I guess. All the these "victims" were punished for violating some rule of the society they lived in. What I think you mean is that it was primarily the men that carried out these executions. If it were put to women to carry the enforcement out I'm sure they would agree to carry the sentence out.
So despite how repulsive I may find a womans decision to participate in a job that belittles her ( gets called a whore, slut, bitch) or may expose her to injury (bruising, paralysis, or possibly death) I must respect that choice. It is she who decided to take that risk, to own up to the consequences, to pursue that lifestyle.
I may advise against it, refuse to offer support, but in no way will i stand in her way.

Naomi_Tx
07-21-2003, 09:40 AM


You know Emily, I wrote one article about interpersonal commitment in relationships with people involved in the sex industry and the whole sky fell upon me. Here you are writing about mens' abuse and subjegation of women throughout the centuries paralleling it to a game of paintball and you scrape by without as much as a rap on the back of your hands.


What I think you mean is that it was primarily the men that carried out these executions. If it were put to women to carry the enforcement out I'm sure they would agree to carry the sentence out.

I may advise against it, refuse to offer support, but in no way will i stand in her way.


Sorry you feel we were harder on you than Emily... FYI women generally don't have pissing contest to see who's post will get spanked more. [beat]

Maybe I shouldn't speak for Emily; but I don't believe she is on a crusade to stand in these womens way, just expressing her views, just as you may.

Just wondering, do you honestly believe that women would, if it were up to them, enforce the ancient war-time punishments that you mentioned above? Or were you simply giving a "spanking" via inadequate argument?

I'm in no way a male-basher, just think you may tend to argue for sake of argument in a few threads.

Alanna
07-21-2003, 10:58 AM
Alanna it's very clear...This is not happening!!! Lol.

Take it easy, it's doing what it is supposed too...Get people like you ranting! (i mean that seriously, lots have their panties in a wad over this crap.) And thats what it is.... crap.

you're missing the point. yes, it is probably a hoax that this company is perpetrating in order to get the public's attention so they can sell a lot of "Bambi hunt" videos. whether or not THIS company is actually doing these "Bambi hunts" was not at all the point i was making. what i've clearly said is that they are targeting women haters to sell their hunt videos to... just like if they were selling gay men porn videos they would be using certain language and photos to target an audience of gay men to sell them to. their market audience is not the average deer hunter or the average paintball player but clearly the average woman hater. staged or not, who cares? it's obvious who their target market is.

i've clearly said that it doesn't matter if this company is doing the actual hunts they're claiming they do or not. but that because of the publicity surrounding this whole thing WILL cause someone somewhere to get the idea to organize real "Bambi hunts" as it's obvious that there are people (both "hunters" and "Bambi's") who are willing to do it.

i used the example of the illegal endangered animals hunts as an example of how it DOES happen that a publicized hoax gives someone the idea to do the same thing for real (although why shooting a drugged and caged tiger is considered "hunting" i'll never understand). from what i've been able to determine, the endangered animal hunts are far more illegal then a "Bambi hunt" would be (and they're definitely more expensive and difficult to organize), yet these illegal animal hunts started being secretly organized and carried out as the result of a hoax about hunting big game... "Bambi hunting" would be a whole lot easier to do for real then the illegal animal hunts.


You can't treat a woman like that, bloody face, pouring what "gasoline" on her...Get real.

apparently you can treat a woman that way if she signs a consent form that specifically states that you can. HOWEVER, she can sue and WIN if she's seriously injured, permanently disfigured (scared) or killed (if she's killed, obviously her next of kin would sue). a consent form for a "Bambi hunt" would have to specifically state that the signer is waiving all rights including negligence of all other parties in the event she is seriously injured, permenantly disfigured or killed. BUT, validity of such a waiver would be questioned and decided upon by a judge or jury as legal president says that no person of sound mind would willingly waive their rights in which there is significant risk for serious injury, permanent disfigurement or death in the performance of the activity to which such a waiver regards.

i have no idea what you're talking about with the "gasoline" comment. i assume that the "blood" in that one photo is paint, but it's obvious why they would choose to use blood colored paint, now isn't it?


And i will tell you one thing...I work at one of the largest trauma centers in the US, and every single patient MUST sign a release form, consent for medical treatment, and ALSO, a no liable form from the hospital. Yes, people sue hospitals all the time...It's where the money lies, Do you know how many actually win out of the percentage ? Very low percentage. And usually because of poor after care!!!!!

it's a very high percent, specifically because no plaintiff attorney will take a case that they don't believe they can win or one that they believe even if they did win, the amount of the award would be sufficent to be worth it (most plaintiff attorneys won't accept a case if they judge that if they win the award would be less then $100,000). most med mal cases are based on an event that happens while the patient was in the hospital and most often during surgery... not afterward. it stands to reason that it's more likely that a mistake would be made during a surgical procedure then in the after care of a patient as surgery requires more danger, more expertise and less margin for error.


I can't think of one hospital we have around here in Florida that does not REQUIRE waivers signed AND release forms signed upon discharge!

because most are still requiring these forms... which i said. the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio which is a large hospital that covers 17 city blocks does not require informed consent forms, and they don't use them. apparently, their attorneys told them to stop using the consent forms because it costs the hospital a lot of money, they DO NOT absolve the hospital of liability, and in fact, can in some cases be used against them such as a case where the patient signed the consent form when they were under the influence of medication or in an intense amount of pain where normal reasoning wouldn't be expected. therefore, the consent forms were deemed pointless and in some cases a hazard to continue using... i got this straight from the Board of Directors office of the Cleveland Clinic. apparently, the attorneys were finally able to convince the med mal insurance carrier for the Cleveland Clinic to agree to stop requiring the informed consent forms... no doubt most doctors and hospitals are still requiring the forms because it's a condition insisted upon by the insurance carriers.

http://www.goldenopportunities.tv/information/LEGAL%20PI/legalPI213.htm
"Most hospitals do use written consent, but it can be written or oral. In fact, the Cleveland Clinic uses oral consent. Surgery without informed consent equals battery - but 'no harm, no foul' applies here as well."

there are Cleveland Clinic facilities in Weston (Ft. Lauderdale area) and Naples, Florida... unless written consent is required by Florida state law, the Cleveland Clinic wouldn't be using informed consent forms in these areas either, but rather relying on oral informed consent as is their policy.

if it makes you feel better, i was astounded to discover that some hospitals do not require or use informed consent forms that are signed by the patient or patient's guardian as it's crazy to rely on oral informed consent... in the event of a lawsuit, whether or not informed consent was given would come down to a "their word against ours" situation. having a signed informed consent document would usually be accepted that informed consent was in fact given. i did a lot of research on this because i found it very hard to believe that a hospital would not require signed informed consent forms as to me it seemed irresponsible and foolish... yet i discovered that in fact some hospitals really don't require these forms (but i still think it's crazy that they don't).


High medical malpractice insurance...you bet...to beat the system the best specialist are NOT part of a group, but independent now. And alot more are going that route.

so what? independent or group insurance... what difference? you can't beat the legal system, and whether a doctor is covered under their own med mal policy or the hospital's policy doesn't make any difference. if doctors are tending to prefer to be covered under their own policy it would be because THEY would specifically be the insurance carrier's customer and therefore would be in a position to receive more personalized service from the insurance carrier then if they were covered under the hospital's policy.

as i explained, if the signed consent forms worked even most of the time, there would be no reason for the high cost of med mal insurance that has gotten to be such an enormous issue that the government is contemplating award caps for med mal claims. point of fact, informed consent forms DO NOT and CANNOT cover a doctor's or hospital's ass for negligence.


Trust me, hospitals will always have you sign your life away......
You worked it, i am working it.

most hospitals and doctors still do require the consent forms (as i said), but it doesn't absolve them of liability when it comes to negligence, which is what medical malpractice IS. informed consent does not, and cannot by law, absolve the hospital or doctor when a mistake is made (negligence - a deviation from the accepted standards of medical care) that causes a patient harm. so no, by signing an informed consent form for treatment, a patient does not "sign their life away".

i've worked in both defense and plaintiff med mal specific law firms, wrote legal briefs and researched case law that addressed this same issue, did trial preparation and attended the court cases... i know what i'm talking about on this.


Get a grip...ok, it's all good.

i have a grip. however, this is something i've spent years of my life working at 40+ hours a week, so i'm in a position to know what i'm talking about. apparently, this isn't something you're willing to accept. there's plenty of info right on the internet that you can research yourself that backs up what i've said on this issue.

LoveSexMoney
07-21-2003, 11:02 AM
their market audience is not the average deer hunter or the average paintball player but clearly the average woman hater.
I think their market audience are the folks who watch Jackass and Tom Green. :D

Did anyone see the episode where Tom Green sucked a cows teat? I know, I know its not the same but it was so disgustingly shocking I couldn't help but watch! Didn't he jack off a horse too? Ew! Drew how could you? :P

Alanna
07-21-2003, 11:10 AM
I think their market audience are the folks who watch Jackass and Tom Green.

and other various nuts. makes you wonder if insane asylum patients get creditcard and VCR privileges. ;)

Naomi_Tx
07-21-2003, 11:43 AM
[cheers] Well said, Alanna.

I can't handle TV shows like Tom Green, Jack-ass, Jerry Springer...
When I was young I can remember my NaNa saying she only wanted to see and be around pretty things and people. I thought she was spoiled, prissy, and shallow. I don't know when it happened; but now I'm the same way.

I'm sure there are far more revolting perversions than shown in Hunting Bambi, I would just rather not be exposed to it.

p.s. NaNa wore stiletto shoes every day of her life, caused bad ankles but doc recommended she not wear flats (wouldn't anyway) because lower leg had formed to the heels.

Dreamer
07-22-2003, 04:46 AM
Sorry you feel we were harder on you than Emily... FYI women generally don't have pissing contest to see who's post will get spanked more. [beat]

Maybe I shouldn't speak for Emily; but I don't believe she is on a crusade to stand in these womens way, just expressing her views, just as you may.

Just wondering, do you honestly believe that women would, if it were up to them, enforce the ancient war-time punishments that you mentioned above? Or were you simply giving a "spanking" via inadequate argument?

I'm in no way a male-basher, just think you may tend to argue for sake of argument in a few threads.




Do I think women would enforce the war time or societal punishments if put to the task? ABSOLUTELY!
There was this article circulated by Amnesty International about a test they conducted to see how willing people would be to torture others. They had this switchboard a subject sat at and was told it administered an electric shock to a test subject in another room whos only contact with him was through the speaker. The switches were labeled in a progressively intenser degrees and the last ones simply marked xxx.
The subject was told the examiner would ask the test subject a question and if he answered incorrectly to activate one of the progressively stronger switches. The test subject would,of course scream in anguish and also complain of a heart problem they proclaimed to possess.
Of course , unknown to the subject the test subject was not attached to an electrical device and just acted out the anguish. Of all the subjects put through the test most prevalent, the women went all the way through to the last switches even when the test subject didn't reply at all.
The point is, that people have a tendancy to obey authority unquestionably. Surprisingly enough, in Moslem countries that do subscribe harsh punishments to women as well as to men, women are the chief proponents of such a system. Their logic is that the harsher the punishment, the less chance someone will abuse the system. That's why so many young women are willing to strap an explosive satchel to themselves and set it off in a crowded Israeli shop.
I am not trying to be hard on Emily. I think the whole idea of history being a story of men vs. women is a bunch of rubbish and needs a balanced answer. History is the story of mans' struggle with himself. The whole battle of the sexes is because society decided to divide itself into two camps divided by physical as well as mental dividers. When you have two independent camps naturally each will fomulate fallacies about the other when unchecked by the accused. Each side is equally capable of inflicting cruelty if that is what they are assigned to do.
Sorry to run so long but it is one of my peeves.

Dreamer
07-23-2003, 04:48 AM
Alanna, I think you are upset about all the hype over HFB. Mostly, I would guess because I never really went to a game, it is being marketed as hype.
Like there are these opportunistic entrepeneurs who try to market Burning Man as a place for free flowing , orgyastic, non-stop sex. Although there is a share of sexual activity that does occur most the women do not feel it is the obsession with the participants and for the most part ,feel comfortable with it. There are people who try to film the participants and sell the footage to porno companies. If they're caught ,they get prosecuted. Yes ,there are rapes there but the occurances are well below that of any major city its size.
The point is that you cannot stop anyone from trying to market your product to deviant target markets. How are you going to stop someone from getting a nude picture of your child and passing it to a child molester on the internet?
The women who work as bambis should be aware of the dangers involved and so far as I know they accepted it willingly. Are they encouraging male dominance? I don't know. Maybe they are mocking their male counterparts. Maybe they're saying ,"Hey ,I'm disarmed and vulnerable and you still can't get me! You must be blind as a bat and couldn't hit the side of a barn." Like in the movie "Sparticus" where the gladiator instructor hands the slave a sword and only bears a stick then says "Kill me. You have a sword and all I have is this stick".
This is a forum and it is open to anyone who wishes to express their opinion. We're supposed to be sharing our thoughts no matter how disgusting we think the other posters are. I do not see this as winning a debate or arguement. My objective is to attain some enlightenment from the exchange of ideas.

Tigerlilly
07-23-2003, 04:51 AM
So what exactly IS Hunting for Bambi? A paintball game or mass produced snuff type videos?

The part about having the hunt filmed for the hunters home video collection reminded me a little of snuff films
too.
And I agree that this type of thing is ripe for women haters to gorge themselves on, but so are alot of things out there so... and well the women are doing it by choice :-/

I do think they need some protection though, I mean even boxers wear gloves, use mouth guards etc.

Again I think it is pretty sick, but I also don't like Jackass or Tom Green style comedy either. And the S&M comparison- I do know quite a bit about S&M but honestly I don't think that is the healthiest either but alot of people would disagree with me.

My final take on this is as long as the Bambi's are consenting and IF they protected from serious injury well :-/

Alanna
07-23-2003, 12:31 PM
Alanna, I think you are upset about all the hype over HFB.

i already said i wasn't upset over it. i think it's gross and offensive in how it's been depicted and said so. i'm no more upset then any of the other posters that share my view.


This is a forum and it is open to anyone who wishes to express their opinion.

yep, and i was expressing mine. however, some people have misinterpreted my opinion, and the points i was attempting to make, so i tried to make it more clear.


We're supposed to be sharing our thoughts no matter how disgusting we think the other posters are.

i never said any of the posters were disgusting, and i've been sharing my thoughts... if you don't like my thoughts, that's up to you.


I do not see this as winning a debate or arguement.

neither do i.


My objective is to attain some enlightenment from the exchange of ideas.

that's very nice. however, i'm puzzled as to why you brought up this topic here when it has nothing to do with stripping and seemed to offend most of the posters. kind of reminds me of the perpetual extras topics that guys have brought up and it was questioned why they'd bring that up on a site where most of the ladies would be offended... but at least those topics had relevance to stripping. makes one wonder if you brought this subject up just to get a rise out of people. i wouldn't have even known about this Bambi hunting thing if you hadn't brought it up... and i would have prefered not to have heard about it. let's hope in future you're more careful about bringing up non-related topics that would be potentially offensive to the majority of the posters here.

come to think of it, you often bring up topics that have no relevance to stripping which isn't the purpose of this site. we're supposed to confine ourselves here to topics that are related to the exotic dancer industry, exotic dancers and the activities of the site members. the only thing i find in common with this Bambi hunting topic and stripping is the nudity. there's plenty of other site forums where you can bandy about ideas unrelated to stripping.

Lena
07-23-2003, 03:50 PM
that's very nice. however, i'm puzzled as to why you brought up this topic here when it has nothing to do with stripping and seemed to offend most of the posters. kind of reminds me of the perpetual extras topics that guys have brought up

Kind of reminds me of the polygamy thread and the high school thread and all the other annoying attention seeking crap Dreamer has posted.

Dreamer, you are misrepresenting Milgrams study. For one thing, it was a study about obedience and social pressures, not cruelty. For another thing, the gender differences were small and varied when the experiment was repeated in different cultures and different cross sections of our culture.


Does anyone want to know what I think is interesting about all this? Sociologists have agreed that one trait of a functional society is cathartic therapy, while dysfunctional societies have control oriented therapy. For example, a functional society will say "oh, so you like to do ___? We have a place and time for you to do that, and we accept that there's nothing wrong with it." where a dysfunctional society says "that's wrong and you can't do it." This is very simplistic and based completley on my understanding (which could always be wrong). But, obviously, we score way dysfunctional on this scale. Soo... is HFB a functional way for a person with such tendencies to act them out, outside of their normal lives, without hurting anyone?

Lena

Dreamer
07-24-2003, 06:10 AM
Lena, so you think my posts are a bunch of crap. That's fine , you're entitled to your opinion. Could you tell me the relationship to stripping of such posts such as "exceptional people, Traveling buddies, My boyfriend is a jerk? What do these have to do with the topic of stripping?
I talk to the people here the same way I talk with people in my normal life. There's just some things on my mind that I'd like an opinion on. I think attention is what all these articles are about. Just look at the # of replies to the # of viewers. Few articles get more than .5%.
I try to get OTHERS to express themselves. That's why I ask, "Well what do you think?" Sorry about that but I do value other peoples opinions. I'd also like to hear back from you.

Dreamer
07-25-2003, 04:54 AM
Alanna, the "extras" topics are not related to stripping? How about " My boyfriend doesn't like the idea that I strip" is that related to stripping? I'm confused . You're going to have to define the realm of stripping related topics for me. I hardly answer or even view any of the "extra " columns. Why don't you just ignore them like I do.
When you're with friends don't you talk about current events or other topics other than work? I think it breaks up the monotony.
Lena, a DYSFUNCTIONAL society says" that's wrong and you can't do it"? You have a very different definition of a dysfunctional society than i do. I will definitely say somethings are wrong (killing, stealing) and do what is in my power to stop it.

Symone
07-25-2003, 08:06 PM
It's probably not a good idea to encourage the sex that has a particular fondness of guns. :(But it's all about shock these days.I saw part of the tape on T.V. and thought to myself a womens group is going to find the producer and cast of this tape and make a tape of their own.
I give it two thumbs down and [moon]