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Only after the guy shows deviant behavior will the club exercise their right of admission, not allowing entrance due to his past actions.
That would be nice, but more and more often we have managers like DJ Wulf who chose to blame the dancer for the customers actions.
Bridgette
05-11-2003, 06:56 PM
Exactly. More and more often we have bouncers and managers who couldn't care less about what the dancers are dealing with, and take the attitude that it's our problem and our fault. Just like the asshole who says it's the victim's fault when some creep jumped her outside her work or home and raped her. I feel very fortunate to be able to work in a place where at least some amount of decency and respect is expected!
DJ_WuLf
05-12-2003, 11:20 AM
Lena: Club rules and individual dancers standards are going to vary no matter what so.....what may be percieved as ASSAULT by one dancer (for example you) and another dancer is considerably different. Do YOU expect each customer to KNOW these varying limitations and YOUR Specific limitations? Telepathy perhaps? A dancer who is an independant contractor sets her own limitations (supposedly within legal standards). It is that dancers resopnsibility to INFORM the customer of those (her) limitations. If the customer exceedes those limits ....END THE FREEKIN DANCE and don't dance for that customer again. WHY is that so difficult?
We have security cameras that monitor all lap dance areas and you would not believe the effort some DANCERS expend to CONCEAL thier activities. Many times the dancer moves a guys hands multiple times and continues the dance (in pursuit of the all mighty dollar). This is the DANCERS choice to accept the "ASSAULT" as an occupational hazzard rather than give up the potential money. Please explain to me how management is responsible for this? I'm at a loss here. Any time a dancer leaves a dance in progress (as they are all instructed to do if the customer becomes "difficult") management is there to check it out (at least in our club) but this VERY SELDOM happens. It's when they CHOOSE to continue (and then complain about it later) that I find presents the huge double standard. No ...I have little sympathy for those dancers who CHOOSE to accept this abuse. This is NOT Blaming the dancer for the customers actions ..... It's blaming the dancer for her OWN Actions. It's called RESPONSIBILITY.
Many high income occupations have some inherent risk of injury. Take Sports or Auto Racing for example. Dancing has its risks as well and one of those risks is that customers ARE going to become "excited" and sexual. This is the flux behind the distance regulations that many cities are instituting. YES I do feel it is the dancers responsibility to enforce the "rules", first by making sure these "rules"are known in advance and then by LEAVING the dance when a customer becomes "uncontrolable". After all ...she is the ONLY one with this option since only she knows (usually) when this occurs. It's a matter of responsibility.
Bridgette: While I realize that most dancers prefer to consider themselves 'Performers", you have to realize that stripping (and especially lap dancing) is a part of the SEX Industry and it is the portion of that industry that is performed LIVE. Live performances are by nature inconsistent. I don't think you realize how difficult it is for Management to regulate individual dancers performances, especially when those dancers are independant contractors.
Of COURSE it's an advantage monetarialy when one dancer has broader standards for her performance than another, but is it unfair? If so, then it should be Illegal for McDonalds fries to taste better than Burger Kings. (I think the McDonalds analogy is perfect by the way)
99.9% of the dancer complaints I hear are related to MONEY rather than dignity and as long as this is the case...... I'll continue to remind all dancers that they do have other choices of occupations. Nobody is forcing them to be dancers.
Bridgette
05-12-2003, 12:59 PM
Yeah yeah yeah. If you guys are watching dancers removing guys hands multiple times on the cameras, maybe someone, like a manager or bouncer, should start doing their jobs and kindly remind the guys of the RULES. That is what happens at my club, that is why they have the cameras - not just so a bunch of jerk bouncers/managers can sit around and be entertained by the closed-circuit video! This is precisely what Lena and I are talking about - when did it become the job of security staff to sit idely by and watch dancers repeatedly try to deal with unruly customers without lifting a finger? Yes many dancers will just deal with the guys' hands and keep dancing for a while trying to make money - because if we stopped the dance every time some guy tried to shove his hands in the wrong place we wouldn't make any money at all. This is why I no longer work in American clubs - too many jerks expecting way too much for way too little money, and managers/bouncers just sitting around watching for the entertainment.
And yes of course you think your McD analogy is perfect. But it is way off base. All McD restaurants are all tightly regulated, whether independently owned or not, by McD. The dancers at any given club are all independent entities left to fend for themselves (at most clubs). McD does NOT operate like that. And when it comes to some dancers offering something that is blatantly illegal (what you refer to as better tasting fries) is hardly fair to other dancers. No matter how you slice it, they are not playing by the stated laws and rules, and when a business engages in illegal activities in pursuit of greater market share, it is definitely unfair and the businesses who try to work within the imposed limits will ALWAYS have a problem with that - doesn't matter what industry it is. You can be certain that if Burger King found out McD was putting something illegal in their fries to make them taste better, Burger King would make a stink so huge you'd never hear the end of it. Same with us dancers who try to follow the rules, concerning the ones who don't. Is that so hard to understand?
Right, no one forces us to be dancers, that in no way means we should have to deal with men using PHYSICAL FORCE to try and get what they want! They stoop to this when we try to set limits - of coure they don't resort to physical force with girls who let them do whatever they want - they do it to those of us who have limits. They don't care about what we are or aren't comfortable with, and certainly don't care about how they might harm us or what trouble they might get us into, they just want to shove whatever they can INTO whatever they can, damn anything else.
And people like you who think we 'lowly' dancers should just take our lumps are a MAJOR reason all this abuse is so rampant. If customers know they will be stopped and/or ejected from the club for behaving so poorly, they will be MUCH less likely to pull it, won't they? Yes it may be difficult to control everything that goes on in a club, but I'm telling you that years ago things WERE much more controlled and I NEVER heard of things going on like they do now. Managers and bouncers actually did their jobs instead of just standing idely and waiting for the tips to roll in. Another reason I am so happy where I am - the bouncers and managers actually help us enforce the rules, which is what they're SUPPOSED to do in the first place.
I would suggest that if the clubs regulated customer conduct to the extent Bridgette requests, they'd have NO business.
I think the higher-mileage girls are really, in a sense, subsidizing the low-mileage girls. Because if guys didn't think they could get away with what some girls let them get away with, they wouldn't come to strip clubs at all.
fishnet
05-12-2003, 02:58 PM
I would say those are the guys that would be better off going to a brothel, massage parlor or escort. The clubs don't need them to make running their business more difficult.
Bridgette
05-12-2003, 05:07 PM
Well, dear Rath, my club regulates customer conduct, and we have a good business. I make more money here than I've made in any other club in quite some time. We cater to a more upscale clientele who tend to sit a bit higher on the, ahem, MANNERS scale.
Secondly, I believe most guys don't specifically go to the club to see how much they can 'get away with', they just get out of control and turn into pigs after a few drinks and whatnot. Time and again I see guys start out reasonably enough, then morph into some kind of rabid animal after a certain 'loosening up' period.
>>the higher-mileage girls are really, in a sense, subsidizing the low-mileage girls
Right - that's why the vast majority of the high-mileage girls are scrambling to pay the rent every month and barely avoid eviction, while the vast majority of the lower-mileage girls pay their bills on time, have bank accounts, nicer homes and cars, and something to show for their hard work other than a heavy disease risk.
And I am going to have to sign off this thread. It's degraded way below the level of a mature discussion.
DJ Wulf, I'm not going to repeat everything Bridgette said, I'm just going to add to it.
There is a legal definition of assault. When a customer grabs me walking by and forces his hand inside my shorts, that is assault. It is not my fault for not singling him out and telling him the rules before walking past him. When a customer pushes me against the wall in the VIP and attempts to forcefull kiss me, that is assault. It is not my fault for not explaining to him that he is not allowed to forcefully do anything to me.
We all (hopefully) learned in grade school that it is wrong to use force or violence to get what we want from someone else. Those rules don't change just because I'm naked, and I'm under no obligation to restate those rules just because I'm naked.
You, however, are obligated to make your workplace safe and un-hostile. Personally, I think creating an environment where girls have to constantly control customers hands with no support from management is creating a hostile work environment.
Lena
Bridgette
05-12-2003, 06:25 PM
Excuse my temporary renigging on my previous signing off on this thread, but I have one final thing to say to all the extras-hounds out there:
Imagine if you had a daughter working in a strip club. Now imagine you walk in on her, in the back, dancing for some guy, and either she's sucking his cock (that's been god knows where before her) for a few pissy dollars, or he's forcefully shoving his hands down her panties, grabbing her boobs, licking her, etc. What would your reaction to that scene be? Would you high-five the guy and encourage your daughter to keep on sucking or tell her it's her own fault that guy is molesting her? I'm thinking not.
I'm thinking what we'd witness would be not only a very sudden swift and drastic change in attitude and some serious back-peddaling, but something more along the lines of throwing the two apart and causing a huge scene. Then we'd REALLY get to see who's a hypocrit.
Imagine how upset you'd be to see your daughter behaving that way, taking that kind of risk, and/or being mistreated by some asshole customer next time you begin to take a callous attitude toward, engage in, or encourage, that type of behaviour between customers and dancers. Every dancer is someone's daughter, and I'm pretty sure they all deserve just a smidge of human decency.
That's all I have to say on this subject.
DJ_WuLf
05-12-2003, 11:27 PM
Well, you're right about one thing ..... this has degenerated into a very closed minded discussion but I will clarify a few things.
1. At least in OUR club ...we do assist ANY dancer who requests it. Most do NOT Until its waaay too late to do anything about it.
2. My Sister dances ... Is that close enough? She KNOWS to LEAVE a dance when a customer becomes too handsy. SHE takes some responsibility for her own actions and situation. My Ex wife danced for 10 years while we were married. I am NOT a hypocrite. If shes being held against her will in a lap dance then YES ...ANY Dancer will recieve the aid of the staff in our club. I personally have never seen this happen though.
3. Any woman is JUST as likely to be grabbed in a regular club as in a strip club (More likely in my opinion) DON'T STRIP if you aren't willing to accept the risks of the job and one of those risks is being TOUCHED by men.
4. If any woman is being MOLESTED and held against her will ...then I AGREE 100% that anyone should help that woman. This is NOT the situation in most cases in strip clubs however. ASSUMING that the dancer has the choice to get away from the person, then SHE Has the initial responsibility to DO SO. Most dancers choose to accept it and then complain about it later. This is my POINT. I am NOT commenting on ANY of your personal experiences because I wasnt there to witness the situation but the situations I HAVE Witnessed are as I have stated .....where the dancer HAS A choice to continue the dance or not. 99.9% of the time ...the dancer chooses to continue (For the damn money). Its very hard to be sympathetic to a dancer who chooses money over her own limitations especially AFTER the fact.
5. Without customers NOBODY makes any money. With LESS Customers ...everybody makes less money.
6. I Know in PR you can buy a dancer out of a strip club for the night. Is this really better? PR is a much worse analogy for EXTRA Reference than McDonalds. Gimme a break.
7. I would remind you that this thread is about WHY Customers expect extras in a strip club and Dancers who CHOOSE to do extras. It is not about Mollestation or rape or force. These are your own personal experiences and I AM NOT Commenting on your experiences. I AM However commenting on my OWN Experiences and relating them accurately. Don't take things so personally.
Jay Zeno
05-13-2003, 12:36 AM
Jason: May I touch your back?
Dancer: (purring) Sure.
(Jason strokes dancer's back.)
Passing bouncer: "Sir, please keep your hands down."
(Jason does. Jason is disappointed but has no problem with this.)
sol_de_pr2
05-13-2003, 01:09 AM
Imagine if you had a daughter working in a strip club. Now imagine you walk in on her, in the back, dancing for some guy, and either she's sucking his cock (that's been god knows where before her) for a few pissy dollars, or he's forcefully shoving his hands down her panties, grabbing her boobs, licking her, etc. What would your reaction to that scene be? Would you high-five the guy and encourage your daughter to keep on sucking or tell her it's her own fault that guy is molesting her? I'm thinking not.
Imagine how upset you'd be to see your daughter behaving that way, taking that kind of risk, and/or being mistreated by some asshole customer next time you begin to take a callous attitude toward, engage in, or encourage, that type of behaviour between customers and dancers. Every dancer is someone's daughter, and I'm pretty sure they all deserve just a smidge of human decency.
That's all I have to say on this subjec.This only shows the apparent lack of communication between father and daughter which brought about this hypothetical episode. Not saying of course that stripping is bad, but father (an apparent strip club fan) should've know where her daughter works. If this happened in Puerto Rico with all its family problems he'd probably ask how much of what $ she got from the dudes belongs to him.
Those episodes wouldn't really happen here because those "strip clubs", with one notable exception that I know of, don't go about with their extra-curriculars out in the open. One particular club outside of San Juan has a private room with a regular door and the "dancer" and her client just locks the door once he pays the manager for the $100.00 "private dance".
sol_de_pr2
05-13-2003, 01:10 AM
Oh, Jason, at Bridgette's club you can touch the dancer's BACK at VIP. No problema with that.
Jay Zeno
05-13-2003, 01:42 AM
Sure, Carlos. I was just making a point that it's OK for the bouncer to get involved, even for actions within the dancer's boundaries.
ooo, ooo, now I have to go to Puerto Rico to get the chance to touch Bridgette's back. ;-)
I'm sorry I reneged on my prior promise not to post here anymore.
You guys are simply incapable of discussion including anything you disagree with. Sorry. Bye again. For real this time.
SportsWriter2
05-13-2003, 02:32 AM
Why do kids go to an Easter egg hunt? Because they know the eggs are there if you look for them.... Bridgette, I will never forget one wistful comment: "If you had been my dad, I wouldn't be dancing."... I wish dancers didn't provide extras. It would have saved me the embarrassment of finding out a dancer I liked was a ho.
Pamela
05-13-2003, 02:42 AM
Rayne i just saw your thread, and you said what i was saying about the guys pretty much. ????
Actually I apologize for that last post. It was unnecessarily rude. Sorry. Bye again.
Hi my name is dan and I go to SC's for extras. I'm single at the moment and extras are great in between relationships and help to get through dry spells. Hooking up is just plain fun.
Why don't you visit a brothel well for starters I like to try before you buy. In elementary during show and tell I was the one always saying " can I see". I heard so many horror stories of guys trying out escorts and being totally disappointed. When have you ever been able to just talk and check out an escort without being on the clock. Chatting for two songs and an introductory LD help a great deal in choosing a provider.
But extra girls take business away. Uhhh not really If you never have done extras then I wasn't your customer to begin with. When I walk into the club, all the DDE girls know that my money is for extras and they don't bother with me. All I get is a hi and a smile. Although this is just a pleasant formality it is greatly appreciated and recipricated in a nice stage tip( so there is something for you too Pamela). The only way to lose money is to keep me and extras out. The club loses entrance and room fees, My ATF's lose the sex money and the DDE girls lose the stage tips.
Oh yeah the fantasy and tease thing is not for me. Who the hell made that up. For me, its all about fantasy actualization. I came to meet a hot chick, talk to a hot chick and do a hot chick. You mean to say you want me to spend all this money so a cocktease can get me all worked up and not follow through, then go home with blueballs, how cruel is that.
All I'm saying is I paid my money and I should get what I want. NO NO NO ,not I paid 20 bucks so now let me have my way with you. ANYONE WHO FORCES THEMSELVES ON A MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD REGARDLESS OF OCCUPATION SHOULD BE PUT IN JAIL AND GET IT BACK FROM A 300LB INMATE NAMED BUBBA! rather a dancer and I , two consenting adults have agreed to an activity for a set amount. This is an A and B transaction so C your way out.
NawtyGirl
05-13-2003, 07:05 AM
danextras, you sound like a lazy guy, "try before you buy" which means you have never been to a brothel before. The girls line up there for you before you for you to look at them and then will even sit and chat with you, all before you even pay for any services, so stop being lazy and stay out of the strip clubs please.
to nawty: yup, guilty about never visiting a brothel, carson city a couple hundred miles a way is pretty far for poon tang dontcha think. Well I might check it out next vacation. Oh yeah I am lazy. In this faced paced world who has time anymore. Its all about instant gratification and now now now, and we all want it on a silver platter, all at a premimum that I'm willing to pay.
To tigerlily: Whats wrong with a begger trying to make do what he's got. In the natural world my ass would never be even close to this league. This has never been more apparent than my trip to southbeach. OMG never have i felt so down. The women there don't even talk to you if you don't look like antonio saboto jr and ride around in 100k car. I guess nobody wants to hang out with the nice guy in a rent a car and show him around town.
Oh I really don't think I have to worry about busts, My club is in a very liberal city and it never gets busted. Most of the nude clubs here are extras clubs. Due to its political clout and most likely contibutions to local law enforcement, I think I'll be safe for a while. The funniest site to see is LE come in and actually ANOUNCE that they are going to do a search lol.
But really the majority of girls here do some form of an extra and really do only what they are comfortable doing.Some have escort ads. I've seen dancers walk away mid dance plenty of times because they couldn't reach an agreement. The guy doesn't bitch and moan to complain to mgmt, he eats his loss and moves on, we all do. Its cuz we all know we are on are own and have to account for that. We all do our own thing and have private booths for you and the dancer alone.
I have to admit though a club nearby has SW's working there. They pay the stage fee when the weather is bad outside and need a place to meet dates. Watch for guys in the audience as these guys maybe they're pimps and not a regular pl.Not my cup of tea though, lots of overweight ghetto women. I prefer wasp looking barbie dolls.
Pamela
05-13-2003, 03:01 PM
I can't really balme you for getting what you want in the clubs. These are strip clubs, dancers. And after all these women are giving it up. Men try for more than a dance most the time anyway (not all).
Bridgette
05-13-2003, 03:54 PM
Ooohh, just to clear ONE thing up regarding DJ_Wulf's comment about clubs in Puerto Rico. Yes it is true you can 'buy' the girls out of SOME of the clubs here for the night, but that is also true of SOME of the clubs in the US - it may be arranged differently in the US clubs, but it's the same effect. At the club I work in here in Puerto Rico, that is NOT the case. I have seen guys ask the manager at my club if they can 'buy' a girl out and no matter how much money that guy has or flashes, the answer is always a very emphatic NO. Doesn't happen, won't happen.
mark069
05-14-2003, 09:52 AM
Why in strip clubs rather than on the street? Perceived safety, convenience, and a few other factors.
I am sure everyone realizes that the girls who do extras make a lot more money than the girls who don't - that's the motivation plain and simple.
If LE doesn't threaten management of the clubs with fines and or shutting down the club then management will just allow this to go on and everyone (except the strippers who don't do extra's is happy).
Zabrina
05-14-2003, 11:41 AM
I am sure everyone realizes that the girls who do extras make a lot more money than the girls who don't - that's the motivation plain and simple.
Not necessarily--I find the extras providers are the ones who can't make the cut dancing clean. They are most likely to be the bottom of the barrel, less attractive girls who otherwise can't compete moneywise with those who have the looks and skills to be dancers.
coolshot
05-15-2003, 05:36 AM
Just a quick question at my favorite club Mitchell Brothers is definately an extras club but I don't partake cuz I'd rather have a whole bunch of high mileage laps all day instead of a 15 min sesson in a booth. I have never encountered an extra girl that was unattractive, and a low earner.
SO... my question is can you spot the extra girl?
www.corinnewilliams.comwww.jasmineraff.comwww.skym onroe.comwww.audreyhorne.com
coolshot
05-15-2003, 06:14 AM
that's no fun
its either: a,b,c,d, a combination,all the above, or none of the above
SportsWriter2
05-15-2003, 03:53 PM
I found a website () that sells videos of extras in VIP. Definitely a higher concept than where the low-rider bus never gets beyond south central LA.
Bridgette
05-15-2003, 04:18 PM
Well Mitchell Bros is a whole other story where extras and what the girls earn and look like are concerned! You just can't compare a place where the standard service in a booth is FULL service with an average strip club. MBOT, I daresay, is hardly what anybody would call average. But if you go looking at the girls in most 'regular' strip clubs, in my experience, most of the girls doing extras ARE in fact less attractive, more 'unkempt', more addicted to something, and are always broke and scrambling to pay the rent before eviction time every month.
SportsWriter2
05-15-2003, 11:31 PM
Bridgette, I think you're right in general, but I've found some very pretty young dancers who just like sex. They're responsible people, make money, don't get caught, and don't do drugs.
faithless
05-16-2003, 05:50 PM
I found a website (www.intheVIP.com) that sells videos of extras in VIP. Definitely a higher concept than www.BangBus.com where the low-rider bus never gets beyond south central LA.
Sorry but that's not really what this site is. I got a Spam e-mail for this site last week and checked out the link
out of curiosity. It is supposedly "VIP Rooms" at nightclubs, NOT strip clubs. The concept is getting regular girls at night clubs up to the VIP Rooms and the sex that follows.
Unless I am incredibly naive I don't think full blown girl on girl 69's, gang bangs and hour long orgies are going on in the VIP Rooms at strip clubs.
Faithless
<<Unless I am incredibly naive I don't think full blown girl on girl 69's, gang bangs and hour long orgies are going on in the VIP Rooms at strip clubs.
Faithless >>>
No, None of the above in the VIP rooms. However here in LA at the mileage clubs a HJ or BJ are pretty standard with the right ladies in the VIP rooms. It maybe the economy, but right now high mileage is the norm. IMHO more ladies have extras on the menu.
RT
nicole4
05-17-2003, 05:58 AM
ok I want to play too lol
well its pretty much impossible to tell from a photo, what a persons personality and limits will be ...but I agree with TLilly that the first woman looks more like a feature...but considering the venue...I will say b, c and d.....is there a prize?
SportsWriter2
05-17-2003, 06:20 AM
Faithless, it's good to know you're on the same deviant Spam list. And you are right: I saw the older guy with a young girl who looks like a dancer I know, and I missed the reference to night clubs.
LoveSexMoney
05-17-2003, 06:29 AM
my guess is that the hemp activist is not an extra provider. She just seemed so...politically correct. But in all honesty I would expect that they ALL provide extras; I thought that's what the girls at MBOT do?
doc-catfish
05-17-2003, 10:15 AM
Rather lengthy, but bear with me.
Why in strip clubs rather than on the street? Perceived safety, convenience, and a few other factors.
I am sure everyone realizes that the girls who do extras make a lot more money than the girls who don't - that's the motivation plain and simple.
If LE doesn't threaten management of the clubs with fines and or shutting down the club then management will just allow this to go on and everyone (except the strippers who don't do extra's is happy).
Oh I really don't think I have to worry about busts, My club is in a very liberal city and it never gets busted. Most of the nude clubs here are extras clubs. Due to its political clout and most likely contibutions to local law enforcement, I think I'll be safe for a while. The funniest site to see is LE come in and actually ANOUNCE that they are going to do a search lol.
But extra girls take business away. Uhhh not really If you never have done extras then I wasn't your customer to begin with. When I walk into the club, all the DDE girls know that my money is for extras and they don't bother with me. All I get is a hi and a smile. Although this is just a pleasant formality it is greatly appreciated and recipricated in a nice stage tip( so there is something for you too Pamela). The only way to lose money is to keep me and extras out. The club loses entrance and room fees, My ATF's lose the sex money and the DDE girls lose the stage tips.
Some quite impelling arguments from the pro-extras crowd, and some observations that I might agree with, but again some of you continue to ignore (or otherwise blow off as insignificant) a very important fact: Unless its taking place inside a state regulated brothel in one of the rural Nevada counties where it is permissible by statute, exchange of sex for money is ILLEGAL in every jurisdiction in the U.S.
Even with that point taken, I have absolutely no problems with you guys paying for sex through means in which any legal consequences of your actions are only going to be paid ONLY by you and whomever party the transaction involves, should you be caught by the authorities. When you engage in BJ’s, HJ’s etc. on the premises of a strip club, this is clearly NOT the case. Innocent third parties can and do have their records tarnished as a result of merely being on the premises when vice arrives to bust the place due to the very activity that you’re engaging in.
Now I don't agree with the morality such a victimless crime on our law books, but again I have no more clout than any of you to change that. If I did, I'd make prostitution legal, and all of you now searching for extras could go to something that looks, feels, and smells like a strip club, where the prices are just as affordable, the girls just as attractive, etc., but where the lap dances are clearly just an appetizer and not the main course.
Would business suffer in establishments that still remained just “strip” clubs? Probably so, and probably very steeply. But at least then there would be a clear distinction between the two. If dancers at clubs where sex for money wasn’t performed were then complaining about lack of business, THEN you could write it off as just whining on their part. But that hasn’t happened yet, and until it does, everyone is bound to the ramifications of those laws, and putting innocent third parties at unnecessary risk is downright selfish. Excuses like, “I can’t afford an escort“, “Carson City is too far away”, "I live in a liberal city" simply are not valid. If something is illegal, you can be convicted for it, however small the chance.
The ladies who are becoming increasingly frustrated with their clubs increasingly resembling brothels aren’t just concerned with their bottom lines. I’m sure the majority of the ladies here know the score that they’re putting themselves at enough risk merely by dancing. THAT risk they accepted. They DID NOT accept a heightening of said risk brought about by the actions of yourselves and their co-workers who decide not to play by the rules, and think that some short term gratification (sex for you, money for them) outweighs your/their long term well being.
If it were merely a matter of you and the girls who perform extras contracting VD from one another, I personally couldn’t give a shit, but that’s simply not the case.
Bridgette
05-17-2003, 12:31 PM
Very well-said, and my sentiments exactly. My bottom line is the least of my worries regarding 'extra' activity. The last thing I need is to be arrested for something SOMEONE ELSE is doing, and to be forced to defend myself, knowing I wasn't involved but got picked up anyway because I was there and the local fanatics wanted to get as many names on the list as possible - and knowing the local yocals will NOT believe I wasn't involved, simply because I am a stripper and I was there. I don't give a damn whether anyone engages in prostitution, but I certainly do care when it puts me at risk merely by being on the premises.
fishnet
05-17-2003, 01:20 PM
I concur Dr. Catfish. Great post! :)
faithless
05-17-2003, 02:48 PM
EXCELLANT POST DR. CATFISH !!!!!!!
I wish you'd post it on the blue site as well. Maybe a non dancer opinion might brake down the wall some of the extra seekers there have against common sense.
Yes! Yes! I certainly agree, great post by Dr. Catfish.
I came to this site about a month ago when a girlfriend of mine expressed an interest in dancing as a second source of income. I've gotten some great advice and
opinions from people that really helped me overcome my early feelings of wariness. Although she still has not started (and may not, she's very wishy washy about doing this LOL) I personally don't have a problem with
the dancing part of it. Other guys will get to see her nude, big deal. Lap dances, I can deal with it. But it's the whole "hunt for extras" that I see from guys on mostly "customer geared" boards that had freaked me out at first. As her and I talked about this subject, it really made me see it from the ladies point of view. And imagining a guy getting upset or not wanting to deal with a dancer, no matter who beautiful, fun to be around she may be, because she won't give a BJ or HJ in a VIP made me think about these people who go searching for this in the clubs.
Don't get me wrong, I believe prostitution SHOULD be legalized. It has its place. But from educating myself and talking to current or former dancers who take this seriously and want to do it right, I don't find it fair the dancers doing things the right way have to pay for the
ones offering "Extras" if a club is busted. Hey if you're an "extra" seeker and you are able to get what you're looking for more power to you I guess, but it's a shame when it affects those dancers who don't get into this type of stuff.
Faithless
LoveSexMoney
05-17-2003, 03:35 PM
SO... my question is can you spot the extra girl?
So...are you going to clue us in?
not had time to read every single thread (apoligize if inaproriate or direct)
i guess finishin up is in most guys fantasy so its natural to simply wanting to get extras (beside the hooking, harraments, ..., ) and just simply asking the gal if she provides extras. dont like the brothel kinda sex that yu go in then do it (without communicating the gal or watchin a bunch of gals) then out immediately. unfortunately nearly no rich escort or other xxx sevices in the area.
in ma point of view sex is a good rich, enjoyable service after providing fantasy and dosnt worth 400$! cause its in fantasy world not an escort (me really dont like hookers and abusers too!!)
coolshot
05-17-2003, 07:30 PM
well nobody tried to guess. The answer is audrey(d) is the DDE girl I believe. I can confirm it if you want. My point really is to illustrate prevalence of extras. If you want a pricelist of the entire club roster I can give you one. You can count the Doesn't Do Extras girls on one hand. Oh yeah all of them are from8-10 on the hotness scale.
p.s. ya didn't think it was corinne(a) the ex-pornstar/swinger did you?
Djoser
05-18-2003, 03:37 AM
"I personally don't have a problem with the dancing part of it. Other guys will get to see her nude, big deal. Lap dances, I can deal with it. But it's the whole "hunt for extras" that I see from guys on mostly "customer geared" boards that had freaked me out at first. As her and I talked about this subject, it really made me see it from the ladies point of view. And imagining a guy getting upset or not wanting to deal with a dancer, no matter who beautiful, fun to be around she may be, because she won't give a BJ or HJ in a VIP made me think about these people who go searching for this in the clubs. "
Faithless, I sympathize...
I hope you and your girl reach the right decision and everything goes smoothly for both of you.
Three years of near nightly successful hard-selling of VIPs on my part, and even many, many instances of distraught dancers seeking solace from me after rude treatment, left me relatively unmoved as to the nature of the problems which can occur.
Reading some of the posts here, on Stripperweb, from customers and dancers who work in areas where extras are readily available, has changed this. If you are located in one of those areas, your girl will be subject to pressure to perform extremely intimate VIP activities, by the tamer standards that many dancers maintain, even without the extras. We are decidedly not just talking about stripping, dancing, or guys seeing her naked. She will need to be ready for this, and so will you.
I have noticed that in my area, where extras are available in some of the clubs, some of the time, the average newbie survival rate is about six months. Those who last longer almost invariably have had to deal with so many stressful situations with men, it has made it difficult to have the same positive attitude towards our sex that they started out with.
One of the most profound statements about this business I have yet seen written, was by Rayne, and deserves repetition here:
"If anything, dancing has given me insight into the darkness of humanity-- (male AND female). I realize now that there is pain in living for everyone, and pointing the finger at anyone or any group is utterly useless."
This is the flip side of the coin.
Dancing CAN be fulfilling, empowering, and a truly creative endeavor.
It can be Art (though some of my less-enlightened friends may laugh at this statement). That is why I love this business. I have made it happen, and made money in the process.
But it seems that where the extras are readily available, this becomes much more difficult, exceptional, or in some clubs, even impossible. I find this abhorrent, all moral issues aside.
coolshot
05-18-2003, 07:50 AM
sure why not if you add alcohol abuse in there too, I know girls get flared upstairs on a regular basis. A few coke heads too and it doesn't help that jim provides champagne upstairs.
whatever the reason, sex drugs and rock n roll lifestyle,money,experimentation, sexual expression,plain horny,mental disorder that prevents rational thinking this will continue to be until november when our mayor, former defence attorney for hookers leaves office. Till then I'll be the front row watching a four girl orgy and watch as they pick up old wrinkly dudes to seperate them from their ssi checks.
coolshot
05-18-2003, 11:47 AM
Not really. I pay for the show not for the drugs. When I give money to homelss ron outside MBOT or any other homeless person chances they are going to feed their addition. Everyone has choices in life and not that lifestyle is destructive. The answer is not for me to stop going and giving money but to for them to get out and get professional help.
I have never used my money to exploit and take advantage of dancer that had an addiction. There are some low lifes out there that don't negotiate with money but with coke to get a better deal cuz it cuts out the middle man/dealer and what they want is right there.
I have a BIG BIG issue with cheating and infidelaty on both sides of the coin. Extras should be for loney ppl who cant get it without paying. Poor guys get left out of social scene and nobody to help put with their needs. If an S.O were to cheat on me she knows to get hell out of my house and never see me again or risk seeing me mad and to getting to know what being shot feels like. I have never cheated and have zero tolerance for it. If i'm your s.o I pledge my mind, body and soul to you and nobody else, I expect the same from you.
LEIGH_LANDON
05-18-2003, 11:51 AM
What on earth is MBOT?
AndriconGirl
05-18-2003, 12:04 PM
Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre in SF (I think).
LEIGH_LANDON
05-18-2003, 12:15 PM
Thanks AndriconGirl - I was reading so mny references to it and wondering wtf??
:)
AndriconGirl
05-18-2003, 12:23 PM
No problem, it took me a sec to figure it out too :)
Bridgette
05-18-2003, 04:26 PM
Well this has to be the best thread on the subject of extras I've ever seen. Much more mature and intelligent than the usual. [clap]