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Melonie
04-18-2003, 01:47 AM
I don't think that anyone here is trying to justify the point that decisions clubowners make in regard to hiring ethnic dancers are right or non-descriminatory - I certainly hope you don't think that I am supporting that position because I'm not. All I am trying to do is help girls put themselves inside the clubowner's head, so that they can use this info to their own advantage. What's being pointed out in this thread is that clubowners DO in fact make decisions based on their own financial interests, their own perceptions and experiences with ethnic dancers, and their own opinions in regard to the supposed preferences of their club's customer base.
If you're not prepared to deal with the realities of the dancing business in most areas of the US, you've made a wise decision not to dance. When every city in the country reaches the level of "inter-racial comfort" and "customer equality" that currently exists in Atlanta, you won't have to deal with this issue anymore.
But from many reactions in this thread and in past threads about the same subject it seems that discussing this issue honestly always results in a "no win situation" - unless the posts are confined to "yes black dancers are descriminated against by every single clubowner when hiring new dancers" and "upscale clubowners should be forced to institute affirmative actions programs", and also "the only reason that black dancers don't earn as much money as white dancers in a given club is descrimination on the part of club customers", a person posting comments other than along these lines gets jumped on, and directly or indirectly accused of supporting racism. No point in my continuing ...
Pamela
04-18-2003, 03:46 AM
This is why i will then start to believe in an audition for every damn club! Red white, black, brown yellow. Forget it. Take the lady in to audition for you, because really....If a lady NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR can dance and do sexy moves, hustle, dress, and is willing to give charisma she will make the damn club money!
Problem is club owners are looking at the shell, there don't not see the whole package. They short change themselves. Pity them.
Ask for an audition! Show em what you can offer them! That is one way around the "ignorant" system. If she brings in money club owners won't know until they see her dance first with out the worry of a sucky dancer stuck inside the club, and waiting to starve her out.
Be blunt, be serious, tell them they are hiring, "i want to show you what i got to offer your club"!!! Go get the job!! Dance your ass off, they will keep you if you are a mover and a shaker. It's all about money.
My thoughts on this ignorance. We have coloured women....THey bank. They also AUDITIONED...It gets you in the door, and someone HAS to look past the shell.
Lotsa luck ladies :)
The real reality with race is that people of color with similar incomes and education to whites are no different than whites.
The more similarities in income between the races the more similar our lifestyles are.
Ghetto blacks, barrio hispanics and poor whites are similar in mannerisms and cannot cut it in a higher end environment.
Middle and upper middle class blacks and hispanics are similar to whites of the same class.
So when one clumps all blacks and hispanics into the same group, one must look at the level they are in life first.
And Candigrl/Topaz, you need to be more positive. Any business you get into in life requires you to prove yourself no matter what race you are.
Covermark works excellently for covering tattoos and if you are friendly and smile with customers and look your best you will sell dances.
All women are supposed to look their best. Stop being negative. EVERYONE has to adapt to their environment no matter what race they are. We all wake up in the morning looking ugly but with proper makeup and hairstyling and stylish attire then we as women become attractive.
If you want to go around saying this is who I am, you will not be successful in ahything you do.
I am not down on you but you are down on yourself. Stop saying what you cannot do and do what you need to do to look good and be friendly and fun with customers and you WILL make money. You say you have a good body and Covermark is THE BEST product made to cover tattoos and scars. Why don't you order some in your skin tone and see?
You are holding yourself back. The only thing wrong with you is your negativity.
Good luck to you in whatever you decide to do next.
Dreamer
05-16-2003, 05:16 AM
Out here on the west coast they resolve the problem quite differently. They charge the strippers to work in their club. They don't care what color you are. They'll take your money irreguardless of who you are.
The problem fighting a discrimination case in the entertainment field (and I know how hard it is to fight a discrimination case) is that the arts do not rank high on the necessities list. That is, while we all may need to use public transportation, take civil service jobs for a living, and at one time fullfill military service, no one is required to employ entertainment services. I live in an "at will" state which means you voluntarily worked for a company so the company can voluntarily fire you. While this does not circumvent the racial discrimination laws it definately makes it harder to prove your case.
One of the things I have to side with the entertainment industry is, is that the industry is driven by the market forces. That's the whole Hooter's lawsuit case that the company discriminated against male waiters. The clubs cannot exercise exclusive control over their customers preferences for big boobs, shapely thighs, youthful looks, firm butt or whatever.
You can't put a quota on human attraction. You can't demand people desire male over female, fat over thin, old over young, smooth over wrinkled. Is there anyone telling you what you must desire in a dancer, model, mate, etc.?
If you do feel that discrimination is the major reason for peoples enticement demographics then the best route may be to establish your own club where you feel you can be successful with your policies instead of trying to force others to adopt yours.
charlygirl
01-19-2005, 05:12 AM
oh girl I am SO feeling you. Same thing has happened to me. Call them, tell them your coming and when you get there theyre like, "did u call us? No, are u sure?" and tell me theyre not hiring and you know thats crap when you've done dressed up, packed your bags and hiked halfway around town to get to the damn audition.
hm:(
charlygirl
01-19-2005, 05:29 AM
Does anyone else get the a+holes who give caucasian girls the dollar and when you go round to get it they tell you to turn around and do something extra with your ass for them? Or the cabs that continually screech past you after work only to stop in front of the caucasian dancer/staff to give them a ride. At that time in the morning when your dog tired , hell-tha is NOT funny, that is just plain racist as hell.Ive asked the cab drivers why and they told me its because a blakc or latina is more likely to jump fair or rob them. Im like, how the hell cantheyc ome to that conclusion when they saw me standing outside the club where ive obviously been working.
charlygirl
01-19-2005, 06:01 AM
oops sorry, slip of the finger on the double post.
Ive just got to say that i am SO happy you are all talking about this. I thought I was going through this alone and that all the other black/latina dancers had some kind of secret weapon to not ever have to go through it. Yes it really does make us angry. I just think we must be a threat in all reality because these white bosses dont want to ose control. They want to keep this fantasy that only white, blonde barbie dolls will forever be the love of every guys life but the real world says different. Guys really want a mix.
I went through total crap to get hired, changed my hair so many times to fit the club, curly to straight to wavy to mid length to long.
Changed the way I spoke for auditions, mellowed it so they wouldnt mistake me for a ghetto girl. Every damn thing you can think of I did it.
CEO house mom told me they have too many dark skimmed girls and Id just look like a clone so come back if I ever dye my hair blonde!
Scores housemom said the black girls that work there look like clones so try again next month, Yet ive seen the girls and the only common thing about them is theyre not white!
Yep its true, the club owners are scared, but what they dont seem to realize is that the customers are really sick of the blonde barbie thing and are complaining to us (the wrong people) that more black girls are needed for variety.
Im currently earning a fortune at weekends because there are only 2 black girls at our club and we have a queue of customers from Friday to Sunday pulling our arms and waiting to dance with us. I think that says something. For Manhattan thats ridiculous!
charlygirl
01-19-2005, 06:05 AM
My last word is that I dont see myslef as different to any other race, the only time I see that I mightbe called black is when someone points it out to me and these clubs make sure you know it. Its very sad but I guess it echos whats happening outside. Martin Luther King days gone but it didnt change everything for us. Love u all.
belieflowr
01-19-2005, 01:10 PM
no doubt a lot of club owners are racist. i know of racist clubowners that hire mostly black girls, too. they don't care if the girls make them money. i'm sure not everyone manifests their hangups the same way....at any rate, i've done the same thing you have....called first and walked in five minutes later only to be given the runaround. except, i'm white. sometimes they just don't like your looks or your attitude (this happened once when i didn't dress up, do my hair, or put on makeup first, and another time when i was really nervous and got goofy), or they are just a**holes. i went back to the one of same clubs but talked to a different person, and they hired me on the spot.
however, this is not to discount your experiences.
i do, however have a hard time selling dances to younger black guys. they act like they want a dance, tell me i'm sexy and they want me, but then they don't get dances. is it because i'm white? are they trying not to offend someone?
is it harder for a dark skinned girl to sell dances to men of other races?
is it me?
naomisantos77
01-19-2005, 01:21 PM
We have got 3 dancers from Nigiria, i am half brazilian we do very wel in our club!!! I think it's depense how you are not how dark you are...
atleast not in our club!!!
charlygirl
01-26-2005, 10:17 PM
"however have a hard time selling dances to younger black guys. they act like they want a dance, tell me i'm sexy and they want me, but then they don't get dances. is it because i'm white?"
No baby, its because theyr're cheap!;)
TigersMilk
01-26-2005, 11:07 PM
Young guys in general hun...some are just cheap or have a hard time saying "no thank you".
TigersMilk
01-26-2005, 11:10 PM
BTW what parts of the US does this usually occur?
Being in Ca and also being yes half black among some other races I havent had too much of a problem being hired at the 3 different clubs I worked at when I was dancing.
toxicgirl
01-27-2005, 02:51 PM
this is why i love my club! we have quite a mix of girls. it's not a top rank, but there's diversity and it's respected.
i work with two black girls who told me that when they tried to work at top rank clubs they were treated like crap. they weren't even referred to by their names. just 'colored girl' this is terrible! and very stupid!
i think a mix is the best thing. a mix in music, customers and girls. my club pretty much hires someone who looks good and does their job. we have a black dj & a hispanic one (i don't care my dj's race- i just want him to play industrial). we have a black bouncer and a white one. race isn't really important at our club. it's keeping diversity (in girls and music) and people who can do their job well.
i am going to go to the opposite end of the spectrum here. we have black clubs in our town. i think this is stupid too. some black girls have told me white dancers are treated badly there. i went in one. i was called a 'nazi'. excuse me, i'm native american with not an drop of german blood in me, explain this? i do not parade around saluting people. i treat my customers with respect- whether their a rich white businessman, a construction worker, a punk or a gangsta. grant it the conversations may be different, but i really hate being judged by thug types who call me a nazi. this is NOT cool. then they throw the, 'oh it's cause i'm black you wont talk to me' no, i wont talk to you cause you gave me nasty looks, branded me racist (even though i smiled at you when i was on stage) and you're being a plain old jerk! and they call their friends by the n word! do they not respect themselves? then they get all pissy when i point out, 'um excuse but did not not just call your friend the n word? i dont think you're being respectful of yourself or others with this.'
i really believe that if we want this crap to end, both ends of the spectrum need to work on it.
bambi69
02-08-2005, 10:25 PM
my two cents in a loooooog time. i no longer dance mainly because of the "color" issue. doesn't matter light, dark, long hair, short hair, hip hop music, or heavy metal, thin, or thick, fake or real, extras or not. white men prefer white women. their fantasy from the FIRST time they saw a naked woman was an old playboy, penthouse, etc, top porn stars... ALL ARE WHITE WOMEN, so what do you expect when they come in the clubs and they prefer to dance with the CLOSEST THING TO A centerfold image??!!
I have information about a club in Nassau, Bahamas if anyone is interested. KEEP IN MIND, THE WHITE MEN THAT WOULD COME THERE MAY STILL HAVE THE NERVE TO ASK FOR A BLONDE? lol ....But most men that would go there would EXPECT CARIBBEAN AND AFRICAN/LATIN DANCERS.
Amethyst
02-09-2005, 10:31 AM
Hiya Bambi,
I think White men deserve a little more credit than that...true, most White men's first encounter with beauty may come from Playboy (or their own mothers/sisters/etc...) with a White woman, but some - if not most - learn to appreciate the beauty of women of other ethnicities as well. Ironically, I've heard White men say the same thing about Black and Latina women - that they only want Black & Latin men. Besides, aren't White men the most likely to date women of different ethnicities?
Those two assumptions can hinder an ethnic dancer's ability to make money: the dancer is hesitant to approach the White customer, and vice-versa. Men dig confidence and when it is lacking, they can tell.
Often, I'm hesitant to approach Cowboys even though every single time I have, I done dances for them. And you know what sux? The White guy I don't approach because of my own assumptions is the one that another confident Black dancer takes into VIP and walks out grinning ear to ear with a fistful of funny money. Doh!!
I've only been dancing for about two years, but I have been living for 27 and I have found that most men like variety. Whether that be a variety of hair color, eye color, or skin color, they - like women - like to mix it up a bit..
For new dancers of color: Please don't be discouraged by some of what you read here. When I was preparing to dance, some of the things I read here made me rethink my decision and almost not pursue dancing.
By no means am I saying that the concerns are not valid - they are - or that the advice posted here is not valuable - it is - but don't allow others' experiences to determine your future in dancing. I have been hired at each club I've visited, have had managers visiting from other clubs have invited me to check out their clubs, made plenty of money, and I am NOT a Beyonce'/Halle look-alike (maybe more Nia Long - only shorter, lol). I've also been turned down plenty of times, just like every other dancer.
ThePetitePackage
02-09-2005, 10:55 AM
It's funny that you say that, because I'm about to submit my photos to Playboy Special Editions, since I'm a college student. We as Black women deal with so many barriers and walls to get to a certain position we want to be. I'm not gonna let anyone stand in my way of the things I want to achieve. If I want to be in Playboy, then that's what I'm gonna do!!
BTW, I'll leave the fact I'm an adult film star out of my application!! Ha Ha!!
white men prefer white women.
Hi Bambi,
maybe you’ve just experienced the wrong clubs? The girls here make really good money, no more no less than anyone else of any ethnicity.
A few of the girls I work with are African and they BANK big time on white men, older Italians also LOVE them (I think cuz it's so new to them). What ever it is, these girls are doing just as well as anyone else.
Of course, there is a large ignorant population all around but that goes for every race I believe. It just depends on the demographics your working with. I have also experienced racial discrimination... but who cares. Honestly, I don't let other peoples small minds get to me.
Thats my 2cents..
By no means am I saying that the concerns are not valid - they are - or that the advice posted here is not valuable - it is - but don't allow others' experiences to determine your future in dancing. I have been hired at each club I've visited, have had managers visiting from other clubs have invited me to check out their clubs, made plenty of money, and I am NOT a Beyonce'/Halle look-alike (maybe more Nia Long - only shorter, lol). I've also been turned down plenty of times, just like every other dancer.
I'm gonna back this one up - not everyone's experiences are the same. I admit I'm a newbie, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm also in the UK, so maybe that accounts for the difference.
Here, ethnic girls are definitely in demand. In the club I used to waitress at, I think we had maybe four black or mixed-race girls and one Asian girl the whole time I worked there. As a mixed-race waitress I was constantly asked 'Why are the majority of the girls white? Do your managers have a problem with non-white girls?' It's not that, it's just that not many ethnic girls choose to dance.
At the club I 've just started dancing at, there is one black girl and two mixed race girls (myself included). Or at least there were three of us on last night. And at least three different customers said to me, that we three were the only girls they would ask for a dance that night, as we were the only ones that were 'worth it'. I'd also like to point out that all three of these men were of different racial background.
My manager last night also told me that he was glad I'd decided to stay because, in his words, 'it's good to have girls of all different heritages. That way everyone's happy!'
I guess my point is, don't let others bad experiences jade you. Do your research. Before I started dancing I found out as much as I could about the clubs, the dancers, the industry itself and now I'm in a club where I feel happy and secure (and like I will earn a lot of money!;) )
If you are a 'coloured' girl and someone says to you 'Oh, don't dance there, people are terribly racist,' then fine, take that advice and don't dance there. That doesn't mean don't dance at all. Just find somewhere where you feel comfortable. Don't give up!
Because, when I see a beautiful black girl dancing, I feel proud. And I'll support every dancer of colour that I can because there really should be a higher proportion in the industry. In fact, all you girls getting treated like dirt over there? Cross the pond, come dance with me, make a s*itload of money! Maybe the best way to get them racist fat-cats seeing straight is to prove them wrong....
Hmm, I've just read that back to myself and I just want to make a note, becuase I'm not sure if this is the same in America. Over here, 'mixed-race' usually refers to one of mixed heritage - almost always one of these heritages is Black African or Carribean. I don't know why but here you wouldn't refer to someone 1/3 Polish, 1/3 Spanish and 1/3 English as mixed race. I know, I know, they are every bit as mixed race as someone who is half-black and half-spanish say. But somehow its not the same. Unless you got a little bit of black in you somewhere, you ain't mixed race. Not even if you're asian.
Also, Asian generally refers to Indians, Pakistanis etc ie those with darker skin rather than Japanese, Chinese, Korean etc. And 'black' can be used to describe anyone either black or mixed race.
Whew! I think that's it! I don't even know whether I needed to include all that but I just wanted to make myself clear. Although I'm not sure I did.
dollylocks
03-23-2005, 08:01 PM
...hmm....
Is NYC really not receptive to black dancers? Back when i was in Georgia (I grew up there), I worked at a bank and older white/european men frequently said between withdrawals and deposits that I would do well in centerfolds. (Looking back on it, I'm not quite sure how appropriate that was/:O)
But ANYway, all this is making me re-think the whole dancing business....At first, it seemed fun but I don't want to have cotton thrown at me on stage while Farmer Joe in the front row yells "Gow back tuh Afrikuh!"....
LilSweetVixen
03-24-2005, 06:33 AM
But ANYway, all this is making me re-think the whole dancing business....At first, it seemed fun but I don't want to have cotton thrown at me on stage while Farmer Joe in the front row yells "Gow back tuh Afrikuh!"....
why? would that be the end of the world? Farmer Joe could do that do you at the Bank too.
LilSweetVixen
03-24-2005, 06:34 AM
I don't know why but here you wouldn't refer to someone 1/3 Polish, 1/3 Spanish and 1/3 English as mixed race. I know, I know, they are every bit as mixed race as someone who is half-black and half-spanish say. But somehow its not the same.
No it's definitely not the same. By Spanish do you mean Spaniard or Hispanic? If Spaniard, that person is not mixed-race, he is a mixed ethnicity, yet still white.
No it's definitely not the same. By Spanish do you mean Spaniard or Hispanic? If Spaniard, that person is not mixed-race, he is a mixed ethnicity, yet still white.
Spaniard. We don't really do Hispanic over here too much. At least, not where I've lived/experienced. Thanks for that, clears things up a little (in my mind, at least!)
Zaijann
03-24-2005, 07:36 AM
just an FYI about this post.
According to the us census data www.fedstats.gov
The last time I looked at it the makeup of the united states on their site was last year. The data looked like this.
87% non hispanic caucasian
6% non hispanic african american
6% in this last 6 % it includes hispanics, asians pacific islander etc
1% other
Just letting you know that minorities really are a minority. If you live in a big city you see more of them but they still are a miniority. That is what your fighting against, pure numbers.
Ever wonder why there are so many caucasian women on magazine covers? Commercials, billboards, musicians, music videos? 87% of the country is caucasian, they are looking at pure market statistics. It totally sucks.
dollylocks
03-24-2005, 01:48 PM
why? would that be the end of the world? Farmer Joe could do that do you at the Bank too.
Nothing is really the end of the world unless it's literally the end of the world which wouldn't neccessarily be all that bad...
I doubt Farmer Joe would do that at the bank, because at least there, he's not paying me to entertain him.
Dollylocks, welcome to SW. Since I originated this post and am black I will offer you my feedback.
Most dancers no matter what color are lousy salespeople and don't see dancing as a business or career.
I suggest that you FIRST off take the Dancer Wealth class by teleconference. You will be taught WHAT to say to the customers, HOW to work the floor, HOW to dress, and HOW to deal with resistance from customers and managers.
AFTER you take the class, then follow what you were taught 100% with EVERY customer you deal with in EVERY club you work in.
At that point you can evaluate how well you stack up against white dancers.
Also as a dancer of color you need to find a club that is your niche. A club where you have become popular, and are in good with management and most of the other dancers.
A club with too many black dancers may be a liability for you. A club where you are the only black dancer or maybe there is only one other one might be ideal for you. And these clubs tend to be in areas with small black poluations.
Being only 18, in many states you are limited to juice bars which for the most part have a younger clientele who is harder to sell.
States like Texas allow you to dancer in full bar clubs at 18, and Arizona is 19. You need to do your research to find out where you are allowed to dance in a full bar club at your age as earnings potential is generally higher in alcohol clubs.
Being comfortable with all races is important. If you were raised in an area where the majority of people you were around were black, learning to be comfortable interacting in a predominately white environment will be necessary. Once you take the dancer class and religiously use what is taught to you with every customer, you will loosen up in no time.
That is not to say that you will not encounter redneck customers. You just leave them alone and go on to the next one. No one sells or is attractive to everyone.
White men do buy from black girls. Actually in most cases more often than black men buy from black girls.White men become regulars of black girls all the time. And black girls who are attractive, polished, articulate, have good selling skills, good hustle, and great personalities oftentimes keep up with or beat top selling white girls in the same club. Of course you have to find the right club.
The best looking white girls are not always the top sellers. The white girl who is a 6-7 many times outsells regularly the 8's and 9's. And why do many dancers who are 40 years old outsell the younger ones?
A lot of the reason white people are promoted more is because white people control the wealth in this country. If our black race would wake up and focus on creating wealth and POWER in the US, then blacks would be less dependent on having to kowtow to whites for a job, and we would see a big shift in racial conditions here.
Actually the black population in the US is about 12%, with the hispanic numbers having surpassed us by a few percent which explains why white people who control our country have embarked on the Hispanic bandwagon at the expense of blacks. As black people we have to learn how to create our own destiny and not rely on whites to "give us a chance". they will take care of their own first.
Dollylocks, take that class, master it and be good at what you have learned. That is how you have a chance of competing successfully in a white dominated industry and country.
dollylocks
03-24-2005, 09:52 PM
Alright, well that shouldn't be too difficult. I grew up in an upper-middle class neighborhood, where most of my friends (as well as my boyfriend) have been white. This is not so say that I don't get along with black people, it's just that where I grew up, I was basically the only black girl. "Black", not "ethnic", because everyone has an ethnicity, even caucasions. Because of my upbringing, I've become very comfortable with races other than my own. People are People, i say.
That will realy suck if I can't work at clubs where older men frequent...young guys are SO cheap>:( !
Miss_Luscious
03-24-2005, 10:42 PM
Very interesting thread. I am worried about this myself as I am going from a predominantly black club in Maryland to audition at the Hustler and GGC in Baltimore. These are "white clubs" and I'm not sure if I'll even get hired. however, the first club I ever worked at was a white club. I'm light but I definately look black. One girl told me I should try to "pass" for white and I would definately get hired (I can't "pass" by the way, my race is obvious). I told her that's ridiculous but it was kinda funny that she thought it would be that easy for me to lie about my race. The only thing I'm really worried about is the dancing. At my old club all I had to do was shake my ass. I can dance for real but it was much easier just to bend over and pop my booty. I'll have to learn how to dance like a white girl again;) .
aussiepunkshocker
03-25-2005, 12:01 AM
Thanks Jai for the run down on the UK. Times have changed I think from when I left which is good! I'm mixed so I've been half wondering about what to expect. (-:
detroitdiva22
03-25-2005, 12:38 PM
It's extremely racist in Detroit and the metro area. The clubs that black women have to work at aren't even the hypest clubs nor most upscale clubs here! I have worked in a nice amount of clubs in Detroit, and I have only waitressed outside of Detroit because they would tell me they are not hiring for dancers at the time. I knew it was becasue I am thick and black. But the good thing is that black men will pay the money to see big asses... no matter the costs! I love that!
charlygirl
03-28-2005, 12:21 AM
What the hell!!!
Just when I was saying that the majority of black male customers are cheap, this past month I have made more than half of my earnings from new younger black and spanish guys coming into the club. Maybe things are changing for the better...hm
Muyaha
03-28-2005, 12:31 AM
huh in my neck of the woods it is the middle easterns and armenians that are super cheap.
cinammonkisses
07-01-2005, 09:04 AM
It's extremely racist in Detroit and the metro area. The clubs that black women have to work at aren't even the hypest clubs nor most upscale clubs here! I have worked in a nice amount of clubs in Detroit, and I have only waitressed outside of Detroit because they would tell me they are not hiring for dancers at the time. I knew it was becasue I am thick and black. But the good thing is that black men will pay the money to see big asses... no matter the costs! I love that!
I think it depends all on how you carry yourself. If you walk up in the place, looking like every other black dancer, then why would they want you? Or maybe they didn't want you because you were TOO thick!
A club with too many black dancers may be a liability for you. A club where you are the only black dancer or maybe there is only one other one might be ideal for you. And these clubs tend to be in areas with small black poluations.
I have always felt like this. I would much rather work in a club where I am one of the few black girls present. It helps you stand out amongst the crowd.
White men do buy from black girls. Actually in most cases more often than black men buy from black girls.White men become regulars of black girls all the time. And black girls who are attractive, polished, articulate, have good selling skills, good hustle, and great personalities oftentimes keep up with or beat top selling white girls in the same club. Of course you have to find the right club.
Again, I agree. I think it is all about how you carry yourself. They want a "black" girl, but they don't want a "ghetto" black girl. I think a white guys fantasy is the well spoken, articulate woman (think Halle Berry) who can blend in with a crowd! If this is how you carry yourself, then you won't just be "another black dancer" you will be a dancer.
MsTopaz
07-01-2005, 05:43 PM
^ i'll have to agree with Tina and Cinammonkisses on this one.
AfroPrincess
07-01-2005, 06:00 PM
just an FYI about this post.
According to the us census data
The last time I looked at it the makeup of the united states on their site was last year. The data looked like this.
87% non hispanic caucasian
6% non hispanic african american
6% in this last 6 % it includes hispanics, asians pacific islander etc
1% other
Just letting you know that minorities really are a minority. If you live in a big city you see more of them but they still are a miniority. That is what your fighting against, pure numbers.
Ever wonder why there are so many caucasian women on magazine covers? Commercials, billboards, musicians, music videos? 87% of the country is caucasian, they are looking at pure market statistics. It totally sucks.
According to the CIA world factbook this is the breakdown:
white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.)
Not that it changes anything, but I'm wondering which numbers are the truth.
Clark
07-01-2005, 07:04 PM
I frequent a club with about 2 black dancers aout of 40. (I say about, because there's also a travelling girl in there occasionally). This is in a heavily white (about 94%) area. They both seem to do pretty well.
B Boy
07-08-2005, 07:04 PM
Interesting thread. What I will say is this: we love having professional dancers of any and all color in our club. While it’s true Montana is 99.5% white, and the majority of women who have danced here are white, racial discrimination amongst management here is a non-issue. Show up on time, have a good time, treat the customers well and everyone is happy. If you’re traveling this way, email or give us a call.
Miss_Eliza
07-10-2005, 08:35 PM
I've noticed it as a white dancer. If there is more then one black girl working They never put them near each other in the line up(for stage) and if there is a few black girls working i've heard them comment that they need some "white meat" but if it is only white girls they never say that they need or want or would like some variety of any kind.
dbertw
07-11-2005, 07:23 PM
As a white customer I would say that it is my view that it is all in the eyes of the beholder. My preference is for anyone EXOTIC!! Long, dark hair (preferably curly or wavy but not a requirement); Darker skin; and most important must have nice curves (small or large just must have shape with a little muscle). My favorite dancers happen to be indian, asian, hispanic and black. Black women usually have the nicest curves around. I can only remember buying dances from white women on 3 different occasions in all the years I have frequented clubs. Point I'm trying to make is simply that racism may exist but in today's day and age I must equate racism as just another form of preferential prejudice. I don't like dancers that stink (which is a group of people). I don't like dancers that are slutty (which is a group of people). I don't like dancers that are drug users (which is a group of people). And you know what? Some of you dancers don't like customers that stink, or offer drugs as tips etc... That's your preference! Another form of discrimination. Human nature is to discriminate to our likes and dislikes. I just want to see people stop using the race card!
DesiirabLe*Naomii
11-29-2007, 03:25 PM
I am not suggesting women of color who are not truly 8s, or 9s or whom are not articulate be hired in more upscale venues. But when women of color who are of comparable quality of the white dancers employed at a higher end club are not hired or are steered to other clubs run by the same owner which are more on the low end of the spectrum, that is not to be tolerated.
I AGREE 100%!!! I am not arrogant or concieted at all, but I know for a fact that I could have given all except for 4 girls a run for their money in that club I was at, both white and black. I already made a regular and I was only there for a weekend! The owner of the club said I was hired the first night after he saw the reaction I got from the guys during my set. The second night I worked there I sold more dances than ANY girl that night, yet I was told they had too many black girls so I wasn't hired. I was completely baffled!
That was about a month ago and guys are still wondering "Where is Naomi?" Oh well I'm trying to find another place to dance at for the time being.
MinahSky
11-29-2007, 10:53 PM
Wow, talk about resurrecting the dead! Over 2 years since a post was in here until today...
tmlsuperspice
12-02-2007, 03:28 AM
Ladies my name is Max... I enjoy seeing women of all nationalities and races dance. I agree that it is a terrible thing for anyone to face discrimination.
So I am thinking about attacking the problem from a different angle. I am the customer so I am thinking about telling club managers that we are not with the Jim Crow stuff.
Specifically, I am interested in forming a coalition of customers from across the US and Canada to blacklist clubs that are not willing to make customers happy by having a diverse collection of dancers.
Honestly, I am tired of going to second and third tier clubs just to see a dime piece that should have been in the top club. Yeah it's cheaper in the 2nd or 3rd tier club but it is not safer.
Also, I'd like to address another issue. This is meant with all respect to all the ladies, but remember just because a guy is of your same race does not obligate him to get dances from you exclusively. You see as patrons we are fighting a war for equality to and I do not want any club to automatically make me have a white, black, latino, or asian dancer. I want the right to choose, but I want a good selection.
I personally believe that there are beautiful women in all races and that every woman has her own beauty.
To all the ethnic dancers... I am behind you as a customer.
Thanks,
Max
If only we could clone you!!
MinahSky
12-02-2007, 11:57 AM
Owners and management care more about what customers think than anyone. If more of you spoke up, things would be different.
tmlsuperspice
12-02-2007, 12:40 PM
Maybe they assume that more girls of color attract men who are trouble or don't have much money. Look what happened to Minxx in Vegas during NBA All-Star Weekend.
happygiggles
08-20-2008, 12:16 PM
bump cuz i'm fucking pissed
i.breathe.in
08-20-2008, 12:19 PM
Maybe they assume that more girls of color attract men who are trouble or don't have much money. Look what happened to Minxx in Vegas during NBA All-Star Weekend.
this is what my club does, we are situated next to two projects, and the only high end strip club in town. so they restrict hip hop and rap and keep the black dancers ratio quite low.
im not saying its right, im just saying what our club does.
txchick008
08-20-2008, 12:39 PM
^^
My club does the same thing. We aren't in a necessarily "bad" area - although it's not the best. It's a very upscale club - and so far I've only seen 1 black dancer. I don't see how that ISN'T racist...with the amount of girls that work there.
We do get black customers, but not very many. Never large groups - usually just your lone black businessman or older guy. I also posted earlier in a music thread - they won't allow rap (or even a pop song, if it contains a rap verse). It is total discrimination if you ask me. They are obviously trying to keep a white crowd. Although this doesn't directly affect me or my $$$, I would be pissed if I were a black girl, b/c the club is really nice and I would want to work there and not down the street at Dallas Gentlemen's or Onyx. Just doesn't seem right at all.
veronicachick
08-20-2008, 12:43 PM
we have a good mix of races at my club... but now that I'll be living in a very spanish area of miami I hope I can stand out. :-( Alot of people say I look spanish.
I don't see a huge discrimination problem at any clubs where I've worked... but I also live in s.fl... its a melting pot of cultures here.