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kitana
10-22-2005, 06:21 AM
I have noticed at my home culb, we aren't too bad as far as diversity in dancers go. It's still mostly white girls, but we are in a. the bible belt, and b. a german based township, lol.

We have 3 or 4 black girls (Dunno since one of them might have quit), 2 mexican/latino girls, 1 purto rican girl, and 6 or 7 girls of various asian background. The rest are white girls.

We have about 40 to 50 girls actually employed at any given time as well, so our numbers aren't too damn bad, if I say so myself, lol.

I do agree, it sucks that groups of people are discriminated, but EVERYONE does it, maybe not to that extent, but it's always going to happen.

If Utopia were to happen tommorrow, things would change; but I don't see it in the near future, so I at a loss what to do.

Gabriela
12-12-2005, 02:15 AM
I used to dance at a club in northern Wisconsin which, for dancers, was about 50/50 white and black. Nearly all of the customers were white men, and I found that most went for the thin blonds, but some had a sort of fetish, or thought it was exotic to "experience" a dance from a black woman. These were sort of the "hick" types... I danced at another club in western Minnesota were the clientel was more upscale and they ignored me a lot more.
I believe that in or society white people have it bred into them that white women with blond hair and blue eyes are the most beautiful, and in general they stick with that notion. They definitely are, but usually we don't see to many varied examples of beautiful women.

But of course, it follows that black guys are generally mostly attracted to black women, Latin guys to Latin women, so forth. I believe that the descrepancy comes in because the white population is the highest so of course there are going to be more white customers and more white dancers to fill the demand, and the minorities pretty much just have to deal.

It has also been my experience that the "hick" type of white guy doesn't have a problem with expressing his attraction to black girls, e.g. "I love brown sugar, especially when it sprinkled on me!" but for the more "sophisticated" white guy being attracted to black women is taboo. Since it's not yet very socially acceptable they tend to shy away.
This doesn't seem to be as prevalent with Asian or non-"ghetto" Latin women.

I also had a friend who was in an escort, and she said that customers would be happier with her if she mentioned every race she was mixed with to sound exotic, instead of just "black" and encouraged me to do the same thing for the sake of my money.

Now, I didn't mean to offend and I could be wrong, but this has just been my experience. I've gotten that "get away from me n*#[email protected]% look, too, so know that racism is still out there.

Gia2608
01-11-2006, 05:35 PM
I think everyone needs to remember that she's in KY not NYC. In the South there are a lot of "black clubs" and in general black girls are often turned down when they audition somewhere. If they are hired at a club that is considered diverse, it's usually because they're extremely hot.
Maybe you should say something to the managment. Tell them a few customers complained that all of the girls are white or that they should hire a few minority dancers to see what happens. A lot of times also, club owners don't want to get into a situation where they have more black and hispanic dancers than white because they don't want the reputation of being a "ghetto club". If you feel really strongly about it maybe you should find somewhere else to work.

Optimist
01-12-2006, 09:12 AM
Since this site is supposed to offer support and advice to fellow performers why do the majority of postings emphatically say 'don't try to change things' or 'that's just the way it is' or 'black girls just don't make money'? Not accurate and not too supportive. Just check other threads in Hustle Hut. In New York's Manhattan borough, there are thousands of black workers and residents paying their way in the most expensive town. They aren't shut out of other entertainment venues on the island (theatre, live and recorded music, network programming etc.). They sell billions of magazines, movie tickets, and are endlessly imitated by white artists to the point where people in the South actually believe a white country singer with a standard hip-hop party video invented booty clapping and the word bedonkadonk (meaning big ass). Rappers started saying it ten years ago. So....they can produce. So instead of kitchen sinking with every reason to give up, be sisters and support us as we support you.

Optimist
01-12-2006, 09:19 AM
Oh and even Kentucky has plenty of black people. I have enough family there to know this firsthand. So the girls coming into that club and clubs all across the country aren't a roving gang. These women are from the community. Hiring the best of them is keeping in line with the club's local demographics.

StrpClbOwnr
01-12-2006, 11:11 AM
When I hire girls for my club, I will be looking for the best looking women regardless of race. Good looking women that can dance and are good sales people. Sales skills can be taught, and with experience I'm sure that dancers can improve their dancing skills, but beauty is always going to be the main requirement.

I know different people have different standards of beauty, but customers back it up with their wallets. Customers can't be forced to get dances from dancers that don't turn them on. The best I can do is to hire attractive and qualified women and fill the club with customers and give them the opportunity to make money, I can't dictate which dancers get which dances. As in any other business, you have to give customers what they want and customers do thier talking through their wallets.

Optimist
01-12-2006, 02:51 PM
So, what you're saying is 'I wouldn't do that but I see how others would'?

StrpClbOwnr
01-12-2006, 03:28 PM
So, what you're saying is 'I wouldn't do that but I see how others would'?

What I am saying is that an owner has no control over what dancers customers choose to spend their money on, and that the club needs to provide dancers that cater to their clients tastes.

I'm planning on hiring the best of the best - beautiful dancers that are very good and can sell. I will do my best to keep the club packed with customers. But after that, I can't control which dancers get the most dances and make the most money. There is no way to force customers to spread the money evenly, they are going to spend the way they like.

Optimist
01-12-2006, 04:24 PM
The initial poster questioned why there were no staff members who are non-white even though non-white applicants kept coming in. I've never heard of a patrons who are turned off by black waitstaff, bartenders etc. It's more than dancers being shut out it's every position in the club that appears to be off-limits.

Nautilus
01-12-2006, 05:27 PM
wow, this thread is a minefield. the tension is tangible.

proving discimination isn't easy BUT if women didn't do it all those years ago, none of us would be voting, owning property, working, self-supporting or having a voice at all. for this reason, parties who can prove they are discriminated against in employment opportunities on the basis of race should kick up a fuss about it.

on a personal note: beauty and hotness transcends race in my book... and, for what it's worth -- if i was to have a roman-style orgy with just girls... i would want some of everything... yay!!! (hot)

miabella
01-12-2006, 05:34 PM
also, racism isn't likely to end if people keep saying it's all 'preference' and 'oh it's a shame, but IT IS CARVED IN STONE NOBODY EVER CHANGES THEIR BIASES ABOUT ETHNICITY NO SIRREE' i swear, i don't like to be miss magical negro, spreading sunshine and light to ignorant whitey mcwhites, but i have seen upfront that people who start out racist can become less or non-racist. yes, even in the stripclub. so this hand wringing about how 'it'll never change, just accept it' is so much steaming youknowwhat. meh!

StrpClbOwnr
01-12-2006, 05:46 PM
The initial poster questioned why there were no staff members who are non-white even though non-white applicants kept coming in. I've never heard of a patrons who are turned off by black waitstaff, bartenders etc. It's more than dancers being shut out it's every position in the club that appears to be off-limits.

There is absolutely no excuse for not hiring a diverse staff of bartenders, bouncers, waitresses, etc... And there is no excuse for trying to keep certain types of customers out of the club. The only color that should matter is $$green$$.

My point was that an owner can't control which dancers customers choose to get their dances from. Everyone has certain things that turn them on and turn them off, and management can't change that.

miabella
01-12-2006, 05:57 PM
but most hiring decisions in stripclubs have almost nothing to do with what customers want/desire/are turned on by. they have to do with what management personally wants. especially with dancers, but also to some extent with other staff. so fobbing everything off as the fault of customers is basically a misdirection.

GoddessofNC
01-12-2006, 07:42 PM
Actually, Tini, the "Manhattan approach" to ethnic dancers is fair and equal, in the clubowner's minds at least. Clubowners will hire ethnic girls as long as they "measure up". But then clubowners give ethnic girls the "equal right" to pay the same large stage fee and tipout as non-ethnic girls, and the same "equal opportunity" to earn money from the club's upscale clientele. A few ethnic girls do great, but many seem to discover that the club's clientele isn't equally interested from the standpoint of total dollars they're willing to spend. With high stage fees and tipouts, if any dancer regardless of ethicity doesn't click with customers she literally risks losing money, and can't afford to stick around at the club too long on that basis.

Many black dancers "measure up" to white dancers, and some exceed them in terms of looks and skill. But if a club has a quota, then they stick to it. That is when it is elementally unfair. If you never give the black dancers a chance in your club, how do you determine if they will do well there!

cinammonkisses
01-12-2006, 09:11 PM
My point was that an owner can't control which dancers customers choose to get their dances from. Everyone has certain things that turn them on and turn them off, and management can't change that.

You're correct in your logic BUT just cause you throw one black girl up in you club does not mean that all men who prefer black women are going to want that "black girl" Sheesh, women of color have distinctive features that set them apart just like our caucasian sisters ;)

Sheesh, at my club there is me and one other black dancer (out of a total of 50 dancers if I may add) and I literally do circles around this girl. Why do you think this is?? I'm lighter, she's darker? My boobs are bigger, hers are smaller? I have a nice ass stage set..her's is aiight:-\??

The point I'm making is that you're right. As an owner you can't control which dancers customers choose to get dances from. BUT don't just throw one token black, token asian, and token latin girl in the mix and think they they are going to be the ANSWER to the "fantasy fullfilled" dept. ::)



I'm planning on hiring the best of the best - beautiful dancers that are very good and can sell.

So if 10 BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS, experienced black latin and asian dancers came to your club, would you hire them?? Or would you set a quota?

StrpClbOwnr
01-13-2006, 06:39 AM
So if 10 BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS, experienced black latin and asian dancers came to your club, would you hire them?? Or would you set a quota?

Of course I'd hire them! Beautiful women that are good dancers are what keep the customers coming back and spending money. There are no quotas when it comes to beauty. I know "the rating system" isn't popular, but I'll take all the 9's and 10's we can get, regardless of race.

Looks and talent will be what gets them hired, sales ability and reliability is what will keep them there.

BrunetteGoddess
01-13-2006, 08:04 AM
Both clubs I work at have a vast variety :)
Maybe because its Arizona...

Breeze
02-25-2006, 04:50 PM
Apparently in your area, the racism is not as apparent as in others. I work in the South, unfortunately. I'm a black girl with boobs and legs, pretty much the things that white men like on white girls. However club managers see you and hate blacks for whatever reason, and you are offered a waitress job or told that they are not hiring. They usually say they are not hiring while they are in the process of showing some skinny white girls around to see if they want to work there. I hate hate hate it. But what can you do. It used to hurt my feelings because the rejection is usually based simply on looks. I often will return tho the clubs where they may turn me down, with a large party or an extrenely wealthy white customer, who likes to spend, and get the manager or whomever rejected me to come over and explain to my party why I wasn't good enough for them. After he stumbles over his words we usually get up and walk out, most times with tip money in hand, and let it beknow that we will be going to a more diverse club. I got a crazy sense of humor like that.

Tina
02-25-2006, 05:14 PM
Breeze, that is the way you have to do it. This IS a racist business run by fuckhead middleaged white men. They feel that if they hire a handful of black or hispanic dancers and have 95% of the girls there white that they have done there part.

More women of color need to picket and cuase problems for clubs that overdo the supply of white dancers.

Personally, I feel EVERY club should have 1/3-40% of it's dancers be women of color, and that includes black, hispanic, asian, and native american girls. Plus they should have dancers of all ages and body types, not just skinny, breast enhanced college aged white girls. Most major cities nowadays are between 50-60% white people so that is fair. Plus customers like variety, and white men buy quite a few dances from ethnic girls.

Ultimately though as blacks, we have to learn how to create wealth and not depend on the white man for our employment and services. If we learn from those who are successful how to get large amount of business capital, and WE as black people OWN prominent clubs, we can create an environment where white men are no longer in control, and we can operate an integrated club with a larger amount of managerial positions run by people of color.

White club owners are white first, and they feel a loyalty to their race over us, right?

tesha
08-14-2006, 03:23 PM
That is exactly my experiance I am bi racial half black white with ass and although I have black men that are fans of my look majority of my money comes from white men and other races

tesha
08-14-2006, 03:34 PM
I've auditioned and requested jobs at clubs with customers sworming around me and begging me for a dance, and yet turned down by the manager. I do think race plays a part in hiring, but when it comes to the guys beauty, and class go along way. I am bi racial french, and black tall and shapely what I think makes the difference with me with my white clientale is the way I carry myself, I was raised with upper middle class standards and they are actually able to relate with me realy well.
When some managers see me I think they sometimes overlook that and see a black girl with a big ass.
I still love my white clentele regardless

thegreatdame
08-19-2006, 11:16 AM
Honey puleeze...

In WI, the club owners are extremely racist... In Manitowoc- Top Hat Lounge,
Near Madison- Club Bristol, Darien- ShowPalace, Delevan- Vegas Strip Club. I've auditioned at all of these clubs. And I know I'm an 8 or better. Big Ass, Big tits, Small Waist and Cute In The Face. Still I get no love. Hell, I've even auditioned and got more tips than any other girl on stage and still didn't get hired.

WI is crummy, that's why I have to travel to work.

$$$magnet
08-19-2006, 02:19 PM
This is in reference to anabolic's comment...

Can we assume that white individuals only find other white individuals attractive?

have you ever seen 'Jungle Fever'?

MADAM LIZZ
11-03-2006, 01:23 AM
Oviously, girls should be hired regaurdless of skin color......but there's a lot of racisum in the adult industry in general.... many girls that call my agency looking for work ( escort serivce).. over the phone they sound (white 100%) and when i asked them, they say there white,,then when they come in for the interview, its the total opposit there black !! many times i get pissed at them for lieing to me,,but they tell me that they are scared to say there black, casue agencys they've called wont give them an interview when they say there black.....when this 1st happned in my office i really didnt belive it..then i had 1 of my girls called 5 agencys looking to work( 1st as a white girl )& then as (blackgirl,) she gave them all the same measurement & discription when they asked her... only 1 agency asked her to come in for an interview ( as a blackgirl). & all the agencys asked her to come in ( as a white girl)...........i was shocked & sadden by this.......

Collegegirl
11-03-2006, 04:09 AM
My club is the opposit.... during the day shift I am one of the only white american girls, mostly all brazilian girls.

At night there is about an equal amount of white american girls, brazilian and the other (black, asian, russian)

I feel like I stick out... I'm the minority during the day.