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carmenNYC
11-29-2003, 03:48 PM
we americans dont know what poverty is,its about greed,pure and simple,dancers do extras because of greed,not poverty,povery is making 300 a month,like in other countries.
that is SO true michele. americans are the greediest mother fuckers in the world.
bambi69
12-02-2003, 12:25 PM
I haven't even bothered to dance in the clubs for the past two months. A new club I started at got raided and that sort of news spreads fast. LA is having a hell of a time with guys afraid of the lap dance ban and possible raids. But even before the raid I wasn't making any money at the club. It seems guys want way more than the lap dance. A lot of other dancers offering many extras. December can be a "ok" time of month for money, but it can also suck. I think working in tourist hot spots are the way to go if I'm going to continue this business and enjoy it. I plan on working with an agency and going to Nassau, Bahamas for January.
I plan on working with an agency and going to Nassau, Bahamas for January.
Wow, that sounds awesome Bambi. The Bahamas are really beautiful.
Tasha
12-03-2003, 01:08 PM
You mentioned an agency Bambi, Do you know any that are good to work for or are you doing your homework to find one? Where does one start looking and find the information necessary to know whether or not they're a good company? I'd like to travel, but I can't front expenses right now.
AnnieR
12-04-2003, 06:48 AM
CLEVELAND ON THE WEEKENDS!!! It shouldn't be too far of a haul for you,and you can stay in a nice clean (and safe!!) hotel in the burbs 20 minutes away for $30- $40 if you use those travel coupons you can find at rest stops
AnnieR, which clubs in Cleveland?
yeah the lumberyard makes great cash harley makes 1000+ a night i cant wait to work there
katrin
02-07-2004, 03:42 PM
we americans dont know what poverty is,its about greed,pure and simple,dancers do extras because of greed,not poverty,povery is making 300 a month,like in other countries.
that is SO true michele. americans are the greediest mother fuckers in the world.
I won't argue with the Americans being greedy part, but we don't know what poverty is??? Is the person who wrote this a single parent? Cause I think a lot of single moms in this country know very well what poverty is. I sure as hell do, tell me otherwise and it makes my blood boil.
The "my pain is worse than your pain" argument is always futile but in truth there are at least two Americas: an affluent American and an underclass. The underclass can be found in urban ghettos, Indian reservations, and in remote rural areas. And yes, there is poverty there.
We do have more opportunity to make more money here, but it costs a hellova lot more to live. Also, we lack certain "luxuries" found in every other industrialized nation, such as health care for working poor.
I live in Oregon. We have one of the worst economys (if not THE worst) in the nation, and in Portland, a relatively high cost of living. Low-income housing is almost non-existant in this town. The result? Hunger and homelessness. Not all the beggars on the street are there because they are addicts and/or "deserve" it.
I net $1000 a month at my day job (for which I earned a graduate degree), support a child. We live in a basement. Even with this amount of money, I have gone hungry on a regular basis and as a result experienced problems such as faintness, severe back injury (lack of strength from muscle deterioration) and menstrual irregluarities which stopped when I upped my food intake. (I get $30 worth of food stamps each month.)
Starving is an art. You learn to eat less every day to save money. Pretty soon, before you realize it your system starts to break down from the long term stress.
True, we don't have people dying of starvation, because you can always get a ten-cent package of Top Ramen. But we absolutely have health-problems in this country as a result of lack of nutrition. Even obesity has been linked to poverty, because the poor are more likely to live on food that is high-fat, high calorie, low nutritional value.
Oregon has one of the highest rates of hunger, and one of the highest rates of obesity.
Me, I starve rather than eat crap. I pay my rent and try to eat healthy, or not at all. I get skinny that way. And so I think... wtf, I'll become a stripper.
Stripping will make me enough $ to keep food on the table. I don't think extras are needed to stay out of poverty. I understand that extras hurt other dancers and the industry, and I'm not out to hurt anyone.
Kat
VADEN
05-07-2004, 06:34 AM
I agree with Emily. Sometimes girls just don't hustle enough or they spend most of the night talking to one guy because they are there to try and hook up with him instead of being there to make $$$ Or they have poor judgment, thinking the guy has money. Then there are the girls who sit around thinking that money is just going to walk up to them. You have to hustle and if you do work your butt off then by all means get to another city, that is terrible money! ;)
NikkiD
05-09-2004, 04:50 AM
It sounds like the whole state of Washington! On nights we actually make decent money, the clubs take a majority! Greedy bastards!
lalalatina
05-09-2004, 05:18 AM
I work in NYC and I KNOW that they're girls who do extras. I've seen it happen. This rich man came in one night. I was sitting with him and all of the sudden 2 obnoxious girls jump on him. As I proceeded to tell them that I was sitting with him, one of them said, "We know this guy, let's tag team him for the champagne room>" Onec we get back there, one of the girsl proceded to open her legs WIDE and show her pussy, saying,"You want to lick this pussy?" I sat there speechless. She makes a lot of money in our club.
Another one, the top earner of our club, used to be a man. I was in the champagne room with someone and she came in with her customer . As soon as the tab was settled, she took off her g string. You know what happens next.
VIP in NYC is KNOWN for extras. It is a FACT that there IS sex in the champagne room.
The owners are aware of this but are they going to do something about it?? NO. Asking them that is asking them to refuse clientele. it's NOT going to happen.
Fortunately, I make good money without extras. Good mileage but NO EXTRAS. But I'm also planning to travel to different clubs to capitalize in a short amount of time.
pinupgurl2k6
02-25-2007, 08:48 AM
It is really bad in a lot of places right now. When I was dancing in LA money was horrible- and I am a very good sales person. When I moved out to Vegas things improved dramatically. But even Vegas is not always great. The town is so oversaturated with strip clubs now that you really have to work hard to figure out the best hours and what places are good on what days. Making a move to a different city really can make a huge difference. I am so glad that I am not wasting my time in LA anymore. At least it is possible to make some good money out here. If money is that bad it's probably not you. The customers go to the club to see us. We don't go there to see them. Make the move and your life will improve.
As far as regular jobs are concerned, be glad that you are good looking enough to work as a dancer. I also have a bachelors degree and excellent job skills with tons of experience. There are a lot of well educated, highly skilled, unemployed people out there. I started dancing a year ago because I got sick of wasting my time looking for a regular job.
Keep checking out this site for a new home town. You will find a new place that will be perfect for you.
Ditto! I feel bad for my male friends that don't have the option to dance because
if they were female they would be dancing right along with me.
Jenna78
02-25-2007, 04:45 PM
Does anyone else find this thread ironic in that we are complaining now about the same things--and saying that money used to be so good a couple of years ago?
Emily
02-25-2007, 04:49 PM
Does anyone else find this thread ironic in that we are complaining now about the same things--and saying that money used to be so good a couple of years ago?
not really
there will always be people that can't hack it and will blame it on the industry instead of themselves.
*gets ready for the tomatoes* (although I will admit that the industry isn't what it used to be and some areas are better than others, but there is lots of money to be had.)
Lysondra
02-25-2007, 05:42 PM
^^I thought it was the industry, too. Not really. It was me. I've learned since then, and my money has increased. I can only hope I learn more over the years and get even better.
aussiepunkshocker
02-25-2007, 06:55 PM
Partially true IMO, so no tomatoes, lol. But in Australia anyway, years ago there were many, many times as many customers as there are now, people also went out more frequently than they do now. (Locally weve had enough strip clubs shut down completely to back that theory!) And people had more desposible income then too. Strippers could make alot of money by doing virtually nothing pretty much any day of the week.
Now to make the same amount of $ you have to work at it, thats the difference. Quite often it is impossible anyway do to the above reasons and a few more.
not really
there will always be people that can't hack it and will blame it on the industry instead of themselves.
*gets ready for the tomatoes* (although I will admit that the industry isn't what it used to be and some areas are better than others, but there is lots of money to be had.)
cameronfl
02-25-2007, 07:37 PM
Depends on the area....part of it is me and a lot is the industry. It has changed here SO much in the past 4 yrs or so. Extras have become the norm...with 75-90% of the girls hooking in the club. It was definatley nowhere near that before here. I got tired of competing and fighting guys off and as a result hustled less..because I felt there was no point. I wasnt willing to give what most of the guys were looking for(and most of the girls were giving)
So part of it was me...but it was the affect the industry changes HAD on me....
miabella
02-25-2007, 09:27 PM
thank you for noting that, cameron. i have seen girls in no contact clubs post about customers licking them or biting them or whatever, and i sometimes feel like that sort of stuff is handwaved aside by girls who manage the 1k nights with low contact anyway. i mean, the pressure to do more and more and more for less and less permeates the entire industry. just because a select few get to remain above it doesn't mean it hasn't crept into every corner.
at one club i worked, two girls were busy shoving their hands down a customer's pants to keep him in vip. well, i couldn't compete with that. and yet i have read multiple posts from girls in no-contact upscale clubs dealing with that kind of thing also, sometimes out on the main floor. it's just so dismissive to act like stuff that now permeates EVERY level of clubdom is 'just you not being able to hack it'.
it really is as simple and horrible as a loss and/or lack of imagination among customers. they have to directly feel and touch and know, otherwise they can't see the point. so they push for more and more 'reality', and the dancers reap the fallout.
i dunno, i just have a problem with blaming the girls because the guys (and girl customers) want all this narrowly defined 'reality' at ever-cheaper prices.