View Full Version : how do you really feel about implants?
LoveSexMoney
10-15-2003, 10:38 AM
I was under the impression that cohesive implants didn't need to be filled to the brink to avoid ripples. But, because they are like big gummy bears, they can be firm but not hard.
ummm, I could be wrong but I was under the impression that cohesive gels were already filled, like PIPs.
I currently have saline and there are no visible ripples, no softball effect and they are not hard.
AmberLee
10-15-2003, 11:00 AM
ummm, I could be wrong but I was under the impression that cohesive gels were already filled, like PIPs.
I currently have saline and there are no visible ripples, no softball effect and they are not hard.
Sorry, I didn't mean to indicate that cohesives were filled to the brink. I only meant to say that the others usually have to be filled to achieve the same thing. Sorry for the confusion.
DEE_DEE
10-15-2003, 03:26 PM
I had my implants done about 2 years ago. I would do it over again in a heartbeat. I have saline. my are under the mussle. My friends and customes always say how real they look. now mind you i have had children and went from a nice 34full c to 2 how was it put earlier 34a utters. I now have a wonderfull 34D i am 5ft 8 and maybe 130 . Be careful not to go to large if you don't want anyone to know the are not real. For your frame i would think a 36dd would work fine for you. Good luck to you!Give your implants plenty of time to heal before you trying to do any lifting. Oh yea and be very carefull using the pole when you return to work. Also i had mine put in under my breasts.
ARE THOSE REAL? YES REAL EXPENSIVE ;D
Davey
10-23-2003, 03:30 PM
Don't do it. I've been attracted to many a girl with ordinary even small breasts. Believe me....they may notice the size of your bust first .....but I've been turned off by some pretty big breasted women ;D...especially when their IQ doesn't come up to their bra size.
velvet
10-25-2003, 09:00 AM
haha thats what they all say before you get them, then you have 20 more to replace the one or two who dont like them. last night every customer i had thought mine were real!
michele
10-25-2003, 10:03 AM
Do not get gel,the risks far out weigh the benefits,silicone was banned for a reason,the fda hardly ever puts bans on things,though they do still let surgeons use silicone for mastectomy patients and women who already have implants,I can tell you horror stories of over 50 women,anyways back to the subject,I danced for 7 years without implants,was always top money maker,I was nice b before hand now I am a c or small d,I weighed 118 when I got them and have gone up in down in weight from 118-130 back to 119,bad thing my implants use to look perfect,they still are nicer than 90%I have seen ,but I have to have the best,my point ,dont go up and down with weight after.I f you go to a good doctor,most people will think they are real,so you dont have to worry about a customer not dancing with you because they are fake,its funny because I will be dancing with a guy and he will look up at the girl on stage and go I hate fake boobs I dont dance with girls who have them as he dances with me,so if you get a good pair you dont have to worry and everyone who latter saw me with mine,which were few because I started to travel so didnt see alot of old regoulars,but the ones that saw me like them.
AmberLee
10-26-2003, 03:27 PM
Do not get gel,the risks far out weigh the benefits,silicone was banned for a reason,the fda hardly ever puts bans on things,though they do still let surgeons use silicone for mastectomy patients and women who already have implants
I don't know where you have been over the past years. After all is said and done, there is NO statistical difference between silicon implants and the general public! In other words, it was all a bunch of crap.
big_daddy
10-26-2003, 03:41 PM
36c small?? In your case don't get them men love c cups! :o
velvet
10-27-2003, 05:14 AM
I don't know where you have been over the past years. After all is said and done, there is NO statistical difference between silicon implants and the general public! In other words, it was all a bunch of crap.
well i tell you where i have been. dancing long enough to SEE first hand what silicone did to quite a few women. it's all 'crap' now because they want to sell them again, dont be fooled by the goverment they are hardly trustworthy
LoveSexMoney
10-27-2003, 06:02 AM
I thought the danger lay in the silicone leaking into the body. With the gels, isn't the risk of leaking eliminated? And all implants are comprised of a silicone shell anyhow, aren't they?
michele
10-27-2003, 06:19 AM
Yeah velvet me too,amber lee must be some 18 year old who is naive and thinks she knows it all because I have minimum 50 friends who are extremley sick from implants and not just indicitave to silicone,I did years of research before I got them and had a customer that sold them for a major manufacturer of inmplantation devices and he confirmed this,he said his wife decided to get hers out after 20 years ,they were saline,but anyone with an incling of intelligence knows forign objects cause problems,they reak havock on your immune system,20 years is along time for your body to try to rid itself of something after a while the immune system breaks down,anyways and yes saphire the gel bleeds through the shell,when they first came out with them ,implant salesman were advised to wipe them off frequently and not to manipulate them to much when showing them to doctors,bttom line its all about the money.
michele
10-27-2003, 06:20 AM
Sorry about the typos,you still get my point.
I thought the danger lay in the silicone leaking into the body. With the gels, isn't the risk of leaking eliminated? And all implants are comprised of a silicone shell anyhow, aren't they?
Yes, mine are saline with a silicone shell and I believe all are. The silicone shell is solid and therefore cannot leak. Many face implants are made out of solid silicone. When they were using (and still are)silicone filling with a silicone shell it was leaking through the shell and being absorbed by vital organs. www.siliconeholocaust.org Here is some scary stuff.
Apparently, on October 15, 2003 the FDA ban was lifted on silicone breast implants by a 9-6 vote. www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know_3.html
michele
10-27-2003, 09:42 AM
Yes it was,because they produced biased based studies and because its very political,yes the silicone holocaust shows some real and scary stuff,when I was doing my research I also came across studies that showed problems and immune related illness linked to men who had such implantation devices,knee and penile disfunction,and other types,its a hard thing to get into,but there are studies showing any kind of foriegn object in the body being linked to such illness,they believe even with the outer silicone shell being inert,hard,that the body can and still does,eat off particles of the silicone distributing them throughout the body and to vital organs as well,just from it trying to rid itself of the implant,thats another reason they say massage them only 6 months,but I know alot on the subject from my extensive research and will let the topic get back on corse.
AmberLee
10-27-2003, 09:53 AM
Yeah velvet me too,amber lee must be some 18 year old who is naive and thinks she knows it all because I have minimum 50 friends who are extremley sick from implants and not just indicitave to silicone,I did years of research before I got them and had a customer that sold them for a major manufacturer of inmplantation devices and he confirmed this,he said his wife decided to get hers out after 20 years ,they were saline,but anyone with an incling of intelligence knows forign objects cause problems,they reak havock on your immune system,20 years is along time for your body to try to rid itself of something after a while the immune system breaks down,anyways and yes saphire the gel bleeds through the shell,when they first came out with them ,implant salesman were advised to wipe them off frequently and not to manipulate them to much when showing them to doctors,bttom line its all about the money.
I wish that I could write off statistics that easily. Life would sure be much easier if I could just listen to anecdotal evidence. However, I didn't spend 7 years of my life becoming one of only a few women to get a CS masters degree to just ditch science.
The bottom line is that JAMA would tell you the same thing. There is no statistical relationship. I know that is very tough for some woman to understand. Many women have spent their life fighting against a cause that doesn't exist. Facts don't or won't matter to these women. They are sick and they need someone to answer for that.
The problem is that all the women without implants don’t band together and say, “Hey we get sick too.”
"The study found that women with a ruptured implant in which the silicone hadn't leaked beyond the scar tissue were no more likely than women with intact implants to report that they had either the persistent symptoms or diagnosed illnesses listed on the questionnaire.
However, the women with silicone gel that had migrated outside the fibrous scar around the implant were nearly three times more likely to report that they had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia or other connective tissue disease than women without extracapsular silicone gel." www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
So is this article a lie then?
DancerNY
10-27-2003, 10:36 AM
omg Kobi... i looked at the siliconeholocaust website and almost fainted...
And after this some women are still having them done!
this definitely adds to my list of why I would NEVER EVER EVER get implants.
michele
10-27-2003, 10:38 AM
Amber,I have worked with around 50 pluss women in the past 12 years with problems,some mild ,some severe,my mother is a surgical nurse and worked for a plasic surgeon for 20 years,so I think I am a tad more knowledgeable on the subject,I have been told first hand ny my surgeon who did my implants and salesman for mentor and megan,that indeed these problems persist,women in there 20s dont get sick by the thousands,with absoulutley no instances of disease or hisory in the family,one of my friends almost died until hers were removed and 75% of patients following explantation get better,I have seen studies about the men with implantation devices getting the very same diseases as well,so Iam more educated on said subject and have much proof from plastic surgeons and magan and menors own employees.
michele
10-27-2003, 10:48 AM
Kobi,there are numerous studies that exist out there that show the implants dont have to leak for this to happen,infact many women with saline and men with saline devices are experiencing the same symptoms,it all goes back to the old saying about foriegn objects in the body,the body will try to rid itself of anything that is abnormal to it,thats why scar tissue develops around the implant,my customer from maghan said,it was thought that the scar tissue would trick the body into thinking the foriegn object wasnt there anymore,thus forgetting about the implant and leaving it alone,but they discovered tiny pathonagens were scavaging off the implants(cells) and distributing them throughout the body,and some implants develop bacteria as well,mostly saline,it becomes filled with bacteria and fungus,thus further causing problems,I can go on and on as Iam quite educated and informed on the subject and have first hand admittance from surgeons and people that work for these companies that make billions,but the average person here wouldnt understand,just go to above mentioned web site,that most can understand.
I understand there are risks with saline implants as well, such as CC, double bubble, infections, deflation, loafing, etc., and was fully aware of these risks before I got mine.
thats why scar tissue develops around the implant,
You are talking about capsular contracture, right? That is why I opted for sub-muscular implants, and I followed the surgeons directions about massaging. I do not have CC and considering I've had my implants for 2 1/2 years and CC usually takes place in the early months, I don't think I will have it. I have seen it first hand on a friend, it is not pretty.
From what I have heard from my Dr. and many others, saline is safely absorbed by the body. Isn't this the same stuff we drop into our eyes if we wear contacts?
I can go on and on as Iam quite educated and informed on the subject and have first hand admittance from surgeons and people that work for these companies that make billions, but the average person here wouldnt understand,
Please, don't underestimate us. I would love to hear more on what you know about breast implants. It's an important subject to me as it should be to anyone who has them.
AmberLee
10-27-2003, 01:11 PM
"The study found that women with a ruptured implant in which the silicone hadn't leaked beyond the scar tissue were no more likely than women with intact implants to report that they had either the persistent symptoms or diagnosed illnesses listed on the questionnaire.
However, the women with silicone gel that had migrated outside the fibrous scar around the implant were nearly three times more likely to report that they had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia or other connective tissue disease than women without extracapsular silicone gel." www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/fda2001.html
So is this article a lie then?
I wouldn't say that it is a lie. I would say that it is most likely misleading.
There have been a couple large scale studies. For instance, the New England Journal of Medicine studied some 87 thousand women of whom nearly 1200 had implants. They found no "association between silicon breast implants and connective-tissue diseases." The Mayo clinic had similar findings. Both of these studies were much larger than the study you quoted.
You need to look at whence the information comes. Personally, I am more inclined to believe the medical institutions. They have nothing to gain here.
Michelle, thousands of woman *do* get sick. Moreover, it is that same group of woman (i.e. young women in their twenties) who are the most likely to come down with many of the problems linked to implants.
This natural correlation exacerbates the perceived danger with implants. Stated succinctly, it is a somewhat self-selecting group. This makes it look worse than it is.
michele
10-27-2003, 02:09 PM
Well ,I dont know how old you are ,but dow the biggest implant manufacturer did their own study,they also found a correlation,between the ilness and implants,and other studies I have seen,were not conserning implants in general,but silicone implanted devices in the body,studies who show women who had silicone in the 80s who breast fed whos chirldren are know begining to show the same exact symtoms,I could go on and on,obviously,another point plastic surgeons were also invplved with the law suit against dow,saying they hid inherant risks of the devises against them,I would say thats a pretty good indication as toshowing a direct correlation between ilness and the implants,also anyone with basic medica knowledge knows,a foriegn object of any kind inside the human body causes immune breakdown,I guess Iam just alittle better educated on said subjects.Oh and kobi,general medical lesson,yes capsaular contracture is somewhat simmilar to scar tissue,EVERYONE,note,gets scar tissue,capsaular contracture,is an extreme form by someone whos body is trying to get the foreign object the hell out of the body,kobi,your brasts may not be hard,but you definately have scar tissue,hence everyone who has a foriegn object in the body,its the way our bodies deal with it,it builds anti bodies againstit,please dont question my knowledge,my mother worked for a plastic surgeon 20 plus years,he will say the same exact things I have stated here,also kobi,just because you dont have hardening yet does not mean in 10 years you wont,most cases happen within the first 5 years of implantation, but it can happen at anytime,do to our good old immune system.Sound as though some of you girls should have did a little research before hand,by research I dont just mean look up web sites about implants on line.
michele
10-27-2003, 02:20 PM
Another note Kobi,isnt saline the same thing we drop in our eyes,um doesnt that saline bottle expire?Quite sure there is an experation date on it,and yeas our bodies will absorb saline,but you better hope yours doesnt have fungus in it,when,either your implant ruptures,or like in 95% of all cases it starts leaking from the valve,I took my friend to her ps after her left one started leaking,she was throwing up for days and it burnt like hell,she said,also,you know there are around 40 other things inside the shell that are toxic,one being asbestos,apon doing my research I found this out,I called megan and mentor about this and it was confirmed,though I couldnt exactly get asbestos out of them,it was a ingrdient that is pressent in asbestos,is what they told me,all I have to say is girls need to do more research,I easily found these things out with a little hard work.
velvet
10-27-2003, 03:16 PM
thats the problem with just book knowledge. you dont meet or know the people like michelle and i do/did. i find it very hard to believe that at the time, the small amount of dancers i came into contact with, i ran into a dozen who just so happend to get the illness's. it was to small of a group for it to be coincidental. i didnt know one person in the general population that had auto immune disorders but i sure knew quite a few girls with silicone that did.
Oh and kobi,general medical lesson,yes capsaular contracture is somewhat simmilar to scar tissue,EVERYONE,note,gets scar tissue,capsaular contracture,is an extreme form by someone whos body is trying to get the foreign object the hell out of the body.
Actually, I did know this at one time, just forgot.
please dont question my knowledge,my mother worked for a plastic surgeon 20 plus years,. I'm not questioning your knowledge. Quite the opposite actually. I'm trying to learn from you being that all I know is book knowledge.
Sound as though some of you girls should have did a little research before hand,by research I dont just mean look up web sites about implants on line.
I did do research and am fully aware of the risks. I chose to get saline sub muscular implants anyway. I would never get silicone though.
thats the problem with just book knowledge. you dont meet or know the people like michelle and i do/did.
Exactly, I didn't have the oppurtunity to know anyone with complications or talk to them. When I got implants it was in a small conservative city in KS. I knew no one with implants. I wish I would've. All I can do now is talk to people that do (know people) such as you Michelle.
michele
10-28-2003, 02:46 AM
Kobi,sorry if I sounded like a bitch,but I was actually directing what I was saying towardsAmber,as you have read,I know what Iam talking about,not only have I come across around 50 or so dancers who were sick,as you read I saw and read studies about breast fead children of women with implants and saw dows reports,not to mention the law suits with the PS ,anyone can read and decide for themselves, as we also know it is no mystery as to what even a foriegn object inside the human body can do,let alone one with silicone,asbestos and around 40 other carcinagens in it.
winter2003
10-28-2003, 04:03 AM
everything these days is BAD...geeze, and most are in our heads, making and compounding a situation( i am not questioning the validity of silicone and other such matters discussed thouroughly beforehand)--i am saying lighten up a bit on all this heavy medical talk, for look at the home you live in(apartment, condo,ect...) PVC siding, that's TOXIC, and if your house burns down the whole neighborhood suffers! or, the water you are drinking, chemical companies have been dumping things UNKNOWN to us for decades and buy their way out via more money to pay fines vs money to fund those to bust criminals! see what i am getting at here? i beleive make the best, educated decision then try to be a little more OPTOMISTIC, people with cancer have cured themselves with positive intervention(meaning usually pyscho-somatic positivity).
michele
10-28-2003, 04:51 AM
Thats different,those things you have no control over,your body you do,I have implants as well,but when someone states untrue information,I added a bit of my knowledge,sorry if it sounds pessemistic to you,but they are true facts and people should be aware of them.
velvet
10-28-2003, 06:08 AM
i too have implants (saline) but as michelle stated i too knew girls that had illness from silicone and it wasnt something i read in a book or in a study i SAW it, read my last post :)
winter2003
10-28-2003, 06:10 AM
i guess i was meaning to say have and do all that you can for your enjoyment and health...because we never know how much time one has...controlled/ or not ...make sense? i think sometimes i skip points or something. i also tried to put in a disclaimer that stated i realize the severity of silicone. honest. i think it should not be available at all...but...alas not a perfect place we live. your words of caution i am not meaning to slight...for enjoyment and health to me = knowledge+risk+cons/pros of all kinds... i feel for these women who have suffered, and do not think it is in their heads...i was just kinda trying to make a short story long! lol...and say do the best thong for you personally, with knowledge(hopefully) ~ :P
winter2003
10-28-2003, 06:24 AM
i meant thing! ha! thong....(sorry)
AmberLee
10-28-2003, 07:51 AM
Michele,
You have to understand that "I knew 50 dancers who thought that they had it" is a meaningless statement. Science exists for a reason. There is a reason that they run controlled studies.
For instance, many dancers live a "harder" life than the average population. Nearly all dancers are subjected to a work environment filled with smoke. There is a higher drug-use rate among dancers. Statistically speaking, dancers have had more traumatic incidents in their childhood. Statistically speaking dancers are more susceptible to psycho-somatic diseases.
It doesn’t surprise me that mass hysteria could run through a population and people would claim/convince themselves that their breast implants were making them sick.
-Aside-
That is not to say that ALL dancers are such. That is part of the reason I find this board so interesting. It appears to court the type of dancer who isn’t down on her luck and needs the money. It attracts the other type, those who are comfortable with themselves and their bodies.
-End Aside-
To be clear – I don’t mean to indicate that implants don’t have risks. They do.
You are right; it is a foreign body. That is bad. Furthermore, implants can make it more difficult to detect cancer that lines the breast wall. There are certainly reasons not to get them. If I mistakenly gave you the impression that they came without risks, I apologize for that.
Obviously not having implants is better than having them. I just find it amazing that you would condemn cohesive gel implants because of antidotal evidence regarding a completely different product.
BTW. Just saying something doesn’t make it true. Saying that I’m young and naïve doesn’t make me that. I’m not. Declaring that you just know more than I do doesn’t make it so.
I am a very well educated woman. It’s true that my circles don’t afford me the personal contact with implants (as a software dev I work mostly with men ;)). However, I would argue that would make me less biased.
The bottom line is that people should make the choice with which they feel comfortable. I would just urge people to read the *latest* information. I would urge people to read from unbiased sources. I wouldn’t listen to just the doctor selling them to me. Nor would I get my information from an anti-implant site. Read the statistics. Don’t listen to the stories; they don’t mean anything.
Well at least I got that off my chest. =p (man that was bad)
michele
10-28-2003, 10:06 AM
Um amber did you read my posts at all,I KNOW 50 or so women who did get sick,not thought they got sick,most got hefty law suits from dow,satistics,well I listed several studies linking illness to implants,ones that show men who have other types get sick as well,breast fed babies of women with silicone sick as well ,same symptomsand as I stated dows own scientist said there was a direct correlation,obviously if you had any medical knowledge you would know that smoking and drinking doesnt cause immune related illness,you probably think all the studies and doctors out there that link smoking to cancer and emphesema are fake too.and I guess my moms ps she worked for doesnt know anything either,or the salesman for megan and mentor either.
Lilith
10-28-2003, 10:20 AM
Michele~
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. Thousand upon thousands of implants are performed in America each year. Thus your 50 anecdotes remain statistically insignificant and unreliable as data.
Example:
I know 50 strippers who are cracked out ho's giving blowjobs for $10 in the VIP room, they've lost their kids to the state and their old man beats them.
Can we thus conclude that:
All strippers are cracked out ho's?
All VIP rooms come with optional $10 blow jobs?
All strippers have lose custody of their kids and are bad mothers?
All strippers have bad taste in men, preferring abusive assholes?
No, we cannot conclude any of these things. These are anecdotes, not hard data, and as such are useless in debates. Be reasonable.
michele
10-28-2003, 12:05 PM
Um lilth did you read my posts there is data,if you read my posts there are numerous studies out there that link implants to disease,I would call that data,obviously when there was a ban put on them there was enough data,god ,dont you girls know how to read,if you are going to have a knowledgeable debate with me ,please read correctly.
AmberLee
10-28-2003, 12:30 PM
I've bitten my tongue for long enough!
It would be a lot easier for us to read if your writing wasn't an absolutely horrific display of incompetence.
I’m sorry if that sounds mean, but you need to understand that while you might have valid points they are lost in a sea of typos and poor grammar both of which discredit you as someone to whom we should listen.
You also seem to be confusing the result with the supporting data. The fact that the FDA banned them doesn’t count as data. That is a result. I like how you can use the FDA’s ban as data but their reversal of that ban as “politics.” Neither of them is data.
Furthermore, saying “There are studies” doesn’t mean that you have given us data. I pointed you to two specific studies (The New England Journal and the Mayo clinic).
I am sorry for this message. If English isn’t your first language, I completely understand; just don’t chastise people for not reading when you don’t take the time to clearly articulate your point.
michele
10-28-2003, 01:34 PM
I cant name to many people who dont mispell words or make typos,ecspecially when you have aol and have already been knocked off line around 10 times before you put up your post,anyone who reads my posts can see what Iam trying to say,also I speak three languages.
michele
10-28-2003, 01:35 PM
Oh my I spelled escpecially wrong,noone will know what Iam trying to say.
Lilith
10-28-2003, 06:37 PM
Um lilth did you read my posts there is data,if you read my posts there are numerous studies out there that link implants to disease,I would call that data,obviously when there was a ban put on them there was enough data,god ,dont you girls know how to read,if you are going to have a knowledgeable debate with me ,please read correctly.
Don't take the Miss Uppity road with me when you have typing skills that atrocious. Turn about is fair play, and I am the very last person you want hounding you on your technicalities. Fair debating tactics do not include insulting your opponent, so please refrain from doing so unless you wish the favor reciprocated.
I have read your posts. I find your conclusions to be insupported, illogical and biased. In short, there exist reasons for my disagreement other than the possibility that I have not read your materials or posts. I know your position and have read your supporting "data" (if you wish to call it that). I find your position faulty and I disagree. Insulting my intelligence by implying that I thusly must not be able to read will not change my mind and doesn't truly make me look "stupid" to anyone able to see my posts.
LoveSexMoney
10-28-2003, 07:15 PM
*$apphire is popping the popcorn and mixing a gin and juice*
Cocktail anyone? How 'bout some salad?[bong]
*$apphire is popping the popcorn and mixing a gin and juice*
Cocktail anyone? How 'bout some salad?[bong]
Sapphire, that truly went over my head. ??? Also, I just got my roots touched up so I am really blonde right now. ;)
LoveSexMoney
10-28-2003, 09:22 PM
Sapphire, that truly went over my head. ??? Also, I just got my roots touched up so I am really blonde right now. ;)
I'm assuming you meant the salad reference? [lightup] Do ya get it nowwwwww? hehehe
Or did you mean what in the world is she talking about? I meant the thread was getting as juicy as a daytime soap and was bustin' out the drinks and snacks to watch the drama.
[order]
LoveSexMoney
10-28-2003, 09:25 PM
Also, there's a huge fire raging outside and I'm booooooorrrrrrrred! [yawn]
michele
10-29-2003, 01:37 AM
Lilth I wasnt insulting your intelligence,in your last post you were assuming I came about my assumtion that implants caused illness because I had 50 friends that fell ill,but if you read my posts it was more than that,I guarantee you I have been in this business longer and have encountered more ill women with implants,as I have been modeling since I was 5,have done numerous magazines and have danced for 10 years,I was not baseing my assumtion on 50 sick women and you dont have to believe what I say,if you want to get gel implants because you are elligible for them because of your illness,then get them,thats your choice,but if you do get ill from them now,you will not be able to get compensation,as you have to sign a waiver stating you will not sue if this occurs,believe me I have seen first hand,my girlfriend was a beautiful girl,was in playboy and tv commercials and shes partialy bed ridden now and cant hold a joband all she recieved was a mere 130,000.Her medical bills were tripple that.
winter2003
10-29-2003, 02:10 AM
it is amazing how heated some of these forums can become. i find it rather stimulating when kept intellectual, which thus far it has! --now i feel like stating one thing in michele's defense(as far as typo's, poor grammer) i purposely do not always punctuate or capitalize when called for, it's fun to be loose that way. however, when the debate gets going, lilith's and amberlee's presentation is more professional and thourough. that does not translate to mean michele's points are invalid.
So, can we all safely say that data is bias, conflicting, sometimes partial(due to one political/ monitary issue), and some people get sick from things when others seem immune.
Truthfuly, i think most things are our 'perceptions' of how things are. This too depends on many factors. To quit making a short story long, all you gals have made wonderful arguments, Saffire--your comments were quite well suited to this debate, for I enjoyed it also.-- ;) All take care and peace and love(call me ms. pollyanna)but the world does need intellects and more love man! [love] [order] [peace]
~winter
I'm assuming you meant the salad reference? [lightup] Do ya get it nowwwwww? hehehe
Or did you mean what in the world is she talking about? I meant the thread was getting as juicy as a daytime soap and was bustin' out the drinks and snacks to watch the drama.
[order]
Oh I understood the salad reference, I just didn't know what in the world you were talking about. I get it now! Duh. ::)
Niceguy
10-30-2003, 06:32 AM
To recap a really good discussion. Many men don't like implants. Some do.
(I'll guess at 50-50)
If you have very very small breasts, get some implants, otherwise don't bother.
There are some real health risks and operation risks that should not be dismissed lightly.
As a factual matter the FDA had some problems with the silicone type, and now has
approved them again. (see above discussion).
For dancers and customers it seems to be a highly explosive topic.
big_daddy
10-30-2003, 02:29 PM
As long as they don't look like you could pop them like balloons, implants are fine with me. What's the fuss about Men love wrestling and we know it's fake so why not love implants?
winter2003
11-03-2003, 01:37 AM
As long as they don't look like you could pop them like balloons, implants are fine with me. What's the fuss about Men love wrestling and we know it's fake so why not love implants? that is sooooo true, and it made me larf!!!! LOL!!! great one dude!! true, for IMO anyway!!!
toxicgirl
11-03-2003, 02:06 PM
i considered implants myself. i want to go up a cup size (i'm a 34b now, i want to be a c) the problem: i also want my ribcage branded. the stretching of the skin if i brand before would make the design look awful. the wrinkled skin that i would have if i took the implants out...yeah, i really dont want my branding design to look ugly considering all the pain i'll go thru (it's gonna be a big piece)