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Bridgette
10-13-2005, 05:08 AM
Since when does the waitress' tip depend on how stiff the bartender makes the drink??? Waitress has little or no control over that. Waitress should be tipped for HER service.
I just can't understand what some people expect for their meager tips. In North America we live in a tipping society and although it may seem like everyone's got their hand out for tips these days (I see ever-increasing numbers of tipjars at fastfood type places, where staff are paid at least minimum wage, for example), but there's no need to punish the people who we KNOW live on tips because the standard for employers in their industry is to scrimp at every corner. Most of these people get paid what amounts to about $1 or so per hour take-home. WTF do you cheapass tippers think a working person who works a full week and brings home < $50 on the weekly paycheck is supposed to live on??? I'd like to see those who bitch about being expected to tip, try to support themselves on a job like this, all the while having to listen to ungrateful assholes telling them to "complain to the boss" if they don't like their pay :mad: :beat:
theredshoes
10-13-2005, 05:39 AM
In North America we live in a tipping society ....
True. And it SUCKS. Tipping is a way of making one person subservient to another. Service prices should be agreed upon PRIOR to performance, not after. Doctors, lawyers, and even mechanics work on this principle. Unhappy? Go elsewhere. Fuck all tipping. Pay people in service industries a fuck of a lot more and stop this antiquated means of perpetuating class differences.
Tipping = handouts to beggars, and it is bullshit.
yoda57us
10-13-2005, 07:39 AM
True. And it SUCKS. Tipping is a way of making one person subservient to another. Service prices should be agreed upon PRIOR to performance, not after. Doctors, lawyers, and even mechanics work on this principle. Unhappy? Go elsewhere. Fuck all tipping. Pay people in service industries a fuck of a lot more and stop this antiquated means of perpetuating class differences.
Tipping = handouts to beggars, and it is bullshit.
You need to realize that the price of every drink or meal you order in a restaraunt or bar is based on, among other things, the establishment's operating expenses-labor costs being part of that. If waiters, bartenders, bus boys etc all started getting minimum wage or higher, salary reviews, and regular employer based increases we would all be paying $10 for a beer and $30 for a cheesburger. Tipping exists as a means to keeping food and drink prices reasonable while enabling the server to earn a decent wage. Would you rather pay six dollars for the beer and tip the waitress a dollar or pay $10 for the beer so she can make minimum wage? Obviously both the customer and the server would prefer the former. That's why the system exists.
As for perpetuating class diferences; I know banquet servers and waiters who earn around six figures-they bust there ass to do it but they earn well by working hard and thriving in a field where excellence is rewarded BECAUSE they choose to work in a field where their efforts are directly rewarded. The system works. Tip-based employees can do very well for thamselves in spite of the occasional cheapskate who is either just plain stingy or thinks he's making a "statement" without really knowing the whole story. Tip-based employees put themselves or their kids through college, pay mortgages, buy cars and live very productive lives. If there is a class distinction it's in the mind of the guy who ISN'T tipping, not the server.
This does not mean I agree with the now prevelant practice of store clerks, pizza shop owners and other full wage employees or business people trying to milk a few extra dollars out of us-that IS begging.
If your kid was trying to work his or her way through college working in a restaraunt or bar would you rather have him/her busting ass for minimum wage or busting ass with a cance to make a couple of hundred dollars or more on a good shift?
theredshoes
10-13-2005, 09:20 AM
You need to realize ...
Why thank you o wise one... *bow* for giving me the honor of your wisdom.
Please, do not disrupt my world further by telling me the ground under my feet is a large ball. I have heard such things, and they scare me.
that the price of every drink or meal you order in a restaraunt or bar is based on, among other things, the establishment's operating expenses-labor costs being part of that. I see, so this payment called a "tip" is does not go to one of these expenses?
If waiters, bartenders, bus boys etc all started getting minimum wage or higher, salary reviews, and regular employer based increases we would all be paying $10 for a beer and $30 for a cheesburger. Just like at McDonald's and Burger King? I hear they make minimum wage.
Tipping exists as a means to keeping food and drink prices reasonable while enabling the server to earn a decent wage. I thought decent wages were the means to earn decent wages. I don't follow you.
Would you rather pay six dollars for the beer and tip the waitress a dollar
OK. Did I just pay $6 or $7. I'm confused.
or pay $10 for the beer
Wow. $3 more! Where did ALL that moey go?
so she can make minimum wage?
Damn. "She" (only female servers in yoda-land I see) must be making a really horrible wage if the price needs a $3 increase for "her" to make minimum wage.
Yoda, please o wise one. Where does all my extra money go?
What about all the successfull businesses that pay service employees better than average or much higher and attract the best employees? Isn't this a better model?
Obviously both the customer and the server would prefer the former. That's why the system exists. Thank you poppi for teaching me. I feel all warm and yummy.
As for perpetuating class diferences; I know banquet servers and waiters who earn around six figures-they bust there ass to do it but they earn well by working hard and thriving in a field where excellence is rewarded BECAUSE they choose to work in a field where their efforts are directly rewarded. The system works.
money = class? drug dealers would agree. You obviously think I'm a lower class by the way you've been talking down to me. Why is that?
How much did you tip your doctor after your last visit? Why pick one fast food joint over another? Fed-ex or UPS?
Tipping needs to be put in the waste basket of anachronistic economic tools, along with groaning ugly Star Wars characters. j/k i always liked yoda
Yekhefah
10-13-2005, 09:55 AM
I waitressed for 10 years and I was good at it. My wage was $2.13 per hour for all those 10 years, which means that as a server, I am not working for the restaurant as much as I am working for YOU the customer. When you stiff me out of my tip, you are refusing to pay me for the service I have rendered you - IOW, you are STEALING. You have taken food from my mouth and jeopardized the roof over my head. If I failed to make you feel like you were the only customer in the place during a busy lunch rush, tough shit; that does NOT give you the right to steal from me.
It doesn't matter how some cheap prick attempts to justify his theft. It is still theft and there is no justification for not tipping a restaurant server in the U.S. Period.
mike_somd
10-13-2005, 10:53 AM
In the strip club I tip the waitress a buck when she brings me my pop, and I say pop because in WA thats all you get.
at a retaraunt the tip is proportional to how well the waitstaff keeps my drink full. Nothing bugs me more than bringing one coke and never refilling it. When that happens the tip is gonna be quite small. The only places that seem to keep my drink full are the expensive restaraunts...
most bars I go to you walk up to the bar to get your drink. If I am having a beer, which I mostly do, and said beer is in a bottle I am not going to tip that much, because the bartender just reached into a frig. Now if I get a mixed drink, and it is strong I will tip moreso than if the drink is weak. Nothing bugs me more than not being able to taste the whiskey in the whiskey and coke. But I rarely go to bars, and when I do I rarely drink. I just can't see paying 4-6 bucks for a beer or the same for a mixed drink.
If I take a cab, there is no tip, because most the times the driver takes the long route, just to make more money off of you... screw that.
yoda57us
10-13-2005, 10:55 AM
Just like at McDonald's and Burger King? I hear they make minimum wage.
Cool, if that's your idea of dining out your all set. Your business model will work perfectly. Don't bother to read anything else I post
I thought decent wages were the means to earn decent wages. I don't follow you.
Yup, they are, and in this case, they are a means to higher prices.
OK. Did I just pay $6 or $7. I'm confused.
That depends on if you stiffed the waiter or not
Wow. $3 more! Where did ALL that moey go?
I don't know about the moey, but the extra money goes to workmans comp insurance, social security taxes, additional bookkeeping expenses and all of the other expenses associated with a full time minimum wage employee vs.a tipped employee.
Damn. "She" (only female servers in yoda-land I see) must be making a really horrible wage if the price needs a $3 increase for "her" to make minimum wage.
The "only female servers" crack is nit-picking and irrelevant to the argument-a sign that your comeback is weak.
Yoda, please o wise one. Where does all my extra money go?
I already answered that.
What about all the successfull businesses that pay service employees better than average or much higher and attract the best employees? Isn't this a better model?
Thats great, but it doesn't happen in the restaraunt and bar industry until you get to the management level. You are not comparing apples to apples.
Thank you poppi for teaching me. I feel all warm and yummy.
Another sarcastic crack-furthuring the weekness of your argument.
money = class? drug dealers would agree. You obviously think I'm a lower class by the way you've been talking down to me. Why is that?
I'm not talking about drug dealers and nobody else was until you brought it up. I thought the debate was about people who work in the service industry for a server's wage and weather or not we should be tipping them.
I honestly don't see where I'm talking down to you. Are you intimidated by people who dissagree strongly with you?
How much did you tip your doctor after your last visit? Why pick one fast food joint over another? Fed-ex or UPS?
Again we are not comparing apples to apples here. The fields you mentioned are not and never have been associated with tipping and have never paid the server's wage as a base-line. If you must know, nothing, I go wherever my kid wants to go, and UPS...
Tipping needs to be put in the waste basket of anachronistic economic tools, along with groaning ugly Star Wars characters. j/k i always liked yoda
I chose the name years ago because yoda is a smartass know-it-all....something I'm frequently accused of.
TRS, neither you nor I are going to change a system that has been in place for quite a number of years. I'm too old to care, if you want to march on Washington with a group of your anti-tipping supporters be my guest. I don't think you'll find any bartenders or waitresses marching with you since your plan would lower their average income and put a lot of their potential employers out of business....So I will go on tipping for service and tipping well for better service. I guess you will probably be thirsty a lot of the time...;)
lunchbox
10-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Disecting an entire post line by line.... true internet nerd form.
Cally
10-13-2005, 12:31 PM
You know I really wish these cheap assholes could bring their little pea sized brains around the fact that tipping is common curtosy once again do you honestly think that we can live off $1.15 an hour without tips? And I hate to break it to you but if they paid us normal wages your drink prices would end up around $10 - $15 a drink. I think you would rather pay the $5.74 + a 50 cent to a dollar tip would you not? And where does the rest of the money go? It goes to paying the 50 wait staff and 20 bus boys regular wages. Oh and just so you know... your waitress is paying the club back 4 percent of the cost of your drink. Im not sure if all clubs do that but I know mine does. We have to pay the club back 4 percent of what we sold that night then we have to tip back the bar tender and we have to tip the bus boy so we are usually paying back about $40 - $50 of our tips before we walk away with anything for ourselves. Something for you to consider.
Cally
10-13-2005, 12:50 PM
Sorry Jay I was actually thinking that and im sorry I was the one who turned it this way.
yoda57us
10-13-2005, 12:56 PM
Disecting an entire post line by line.... true internet nerd form.
So, do you have anything to add? Hopefully on topic, or did you just post for the purpose of insulting two other posters?
theredshoes
10-13-2005, 01:28 PM
... or did you just post for the purpose of insulting two other posters?
Well...back on topic...I hate it when the angels wanna wear my red shoes...
yoda?..... ;)
yoda57us
10-13-2005, 01:57 PM
I wear docker shorts in season and dockers the rest of the time. I've never been turned down for a dance wearing the shorts. I also wear a soft, buttoned shirt for the simple reason that some ladies like to un-button it and place there breasts directly on mine....who am I to argue? I see the perv stalker types in their gym shorts going comando in clubs all over the place. In the nicer clubs they stand out and get ignored. In the dives they don't get turned down any more than any other guy with a wallet. I don't blame a lady for being wary of her dignity or her comfort but I've noticed that who or what a dancer is willing to climb on is based a lot one one thing....Location, Location, Location.
I almost feel like I should carry around one of those bowl things they hve at the airport for you keys and stuff . When I go to the couch I make custys empty their pockets so nothing jabs me...and i always remove the belt during the dance.
I do feel like im a damn security check point person.. " please empty all objects out of your pocket ...now is there anything in here that's going to stab or poke me ? " lol
aside from that, guys that wear NO underwear and thing shorts, pants and try to get you to grind right on top of it as if to have some odd sorta sex act going on.
Removal of stuff, keys, phone etc is a great way to chat afterwards. I hate to just do a dance for a guy and send him away. I try to make sure he has all his little bits when he's leaving, plus I get to chat him up a little and it makes for a nice parting. Sorry, off topic, just thought I would throw that in.
PS: Well dressed guys in the SC do always get a second look from me! :)
Miss R.
CalifSCVisitor65
10-16-2005, 06:49 PM
I wear docker shorts in season and dockers the rest of the time. I've never been turned down for a dance wearing the shorts.
Scores in Vegas is supposed to be "no shorts" now, but I was there 3 times over the summer and had no problems getting in the door.
I've never had a dancer refuse a dance because I had shorts on. In fact, one time my ATF finished like 3 dances then she realized that I had shorts. LOL
PS: Well dressed guys in the SC do always get a second look from me! :)
Miss R.
My usual attire is business casual. Once in a while I'll show up in a nice suit. The dancers are all "Oh FBR, you look so handsome" :P LOL I know is SS but its still fun and a nice ego stroke.
I will say that the guys who wear their "club shorts" (you know...those slinky ones made for sans skivies) seem to get more mileage than me. I just can't bring myself to do that ;)
FBR
Abbeynormal
10-17-2005, 08:52 PM
There was a guy in my club the other night with a huge belt buckle that was one big LED message board. He had programmed it to say "hothothothothothot..." over and over. I sat with h im and told him how cool I thought it was, but on the inside I was DYING LAUGHING! Needless to say it had to come off before the dance.
lopaw
10-17-2005, 09:32 PM
I promise to NEVER wear a short skirt while going commando. ::)
CalifSCVisitor65
10-17-2005, 09:46 PM
I promise to NEVER wear a short skirt while going commando. ::)
LOL }:D
toxicgirl
10-17-2005, 11:17 PM
oh- i just had to share this! it made me laugh so hard! but i would really have a hard time doing a lapdance if a custy wore this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Disney-Daisy-Duck-Halloween-Costume-Adult-XL-NWT_W0QQitemZ5624415532QQcategoryZ80916QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
i dont think he'd have a good time either