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StarzLittleAngel
03-25-2004, 08:35 PM
I'll either lie and say that I just broke up with my boyfriend a few weeks ago and I'm not ready to date "just yet", or that I don't really feel comfortable giving my number to someone I've just met in the club for the first time... usually they'll either keep coming back because they think I might be ready to date "soon", or keep coming back believing once we spend more time together in the club (i.e. in the lap dance area) they won't be a "stranger" anymore and I might trust them to call. If they prove to be loyal, patient, high-paying customers, I start calling them with my number blocked :10:. I gave my number to a customer one time and when he started calling at 3:30am, I knew I'd never do it again.

Rayleen
03-25-2004, 10:03 PM
But I disagree with your interpretation of 796.07(2)(d). The person with "reasonable cause to believe..." there must be the alleged lawbreaker - not the person receiving the information or some eavesdropping LE. To sustain a conviction under that section of a dancer giving out her own phone number, it would need to be proved the dancer intended (or believed she intended?) to commit an act of real prostitution when contacted. Doubtful. (On the other hand, it would be fairly easy to convict a bartender under that section if he gave out your number, even if you yourself never did anything wrong).


Well sorry to burst your bubble but her interptation is DEAD ON.

Dancers can be and have been ( I know some personally ) arrested for giving out phone numbers and email to customers in the club. The charge is technicaly Assignation for Prostitution.

It is considered "reasonable cause to believe" because of WHERE the exchange takes place~ inside and ADULT USE ESTABLISHMENT.

I had this explained to me by an off duty Lakeland cop once when I worked in Tampa.

And btw in some areas it is illegal to ask for a customer to buy you a drink if your working INSIDE an adult use establishment~

Pan Dah
03-26-2004, 09:35 PM
Well sorry to burst your bubble but her interptation is DEAD ON.

Dancers can be and have been ( I know some personally ) arrested for giving out phone numbers and email to customers in the club. The charge is technicaly Assignation for Prostitution.

It is considered "reasonable cause to believe" because of WHERE the exchange takes place~ inside and ADULT USE ESTABLISHMENT.

I had this explained to me by an off duty Lakeland cop once when I worked in Tampa.

And btw in some areas it is illegal to ask for a customer to buy you a drink if your working INSIDE an adult use establishment~



I hate to disappoint you, but there’s really not much of a bubble to burst. I don’t live in Florida and don’t frequent the clubs there, and I’m not in the habit of asking dancers for their phone numbers or trying to press mine on them, so I have no direct skin in this game.

What I do, however, is read the English language with a pretty fair degree of comprehension, and there is absolutely nothing in the Florida prostitution statutes that makes exchange of contact information in and of itself illegal. Nor does that law mention any special rules for adult establishments (although admittedly that part about considering the reputation of the defendant can be a real killer).

They say a good DA can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich, and a cop can probably arrest someone for strolling down the street with his hands in his pockets, whistling. This does not make either being a ham sandwich or whistling in public illegal. Rather than anecdotes of dancers who were arrested, I would wonder how many were convicted, how many of those had the convictions upheld on appeal and what evidence to support the charge was presented at the trial.

(And oh, yes, I can easily believe the part about asking a customer to buy a drink is right. Alcohol laws everywhere can get especially strange, and I sort of remember some law like that years ago when I did live down there.)

sadbuttrue
03-29-2004, 04:14 PM
lol...I just gave mine out twice. I probably shouldn't have. :o I already got called once. It's the other side of the coin!

>>>Sad<<<
:D

Rayleen
03-29-2004, 08:55 PM
What I do, however, is read the English language with a pretty fair degree of comprehension, and there is absolutely nothing in the Florida prostitution statutes that makes exchange of contact information in and of itself illegal.
(And oh, yes, I can easily believe the part about asking a customer to buy a drink is right. Alcohol laws everywhere can get especially strange, and I sort of remember some law like that years ago when I did live down there.)


well you are WRONG:dunce:

Here is an example of a law in Tampa FL :
Tampa code Sec. 14-78.
It is unlawful for any person to give information about or direct any other person to any house or place for immoral purposes or to any immoral person, whether the communication be by word of mouth, direct or by telephone or in writing, within the limits of the city

I have a friend was charged with violating this law.The info she exchanged was her cell phone number for the purpose of meeting for breakfast after her shift .
Undercover cops come into clubs looking to bust for this regularly. And yes I was sitting at the table when she got arrested.

So please don&#039;t think you can sit there and imply I am unable to read the English language all while INCORRECTLY saying :footinmouth: its not illegal in some places in FL to give a customer your phone number- because sometimes it IS illegal :irked:

Why is it easy for you to believe the assertation for alcohol law but not prostitution :boggled:

Pan Dah
03-29-2004, 09:58 PM
well you are WRONG:dunce:

Here is an example of a law in Tampa FL :
Tampa code Sec. 14-78.
It is unlawful for any person to give information about or direct any other person to any house or place for immoral purposes or to any immoral person, whether the communication be by word of mouth, direct or by telephone or in writing, within the limits of the city

I have a friend was charged with violating this law.The info she exchanged was her cell phone number for the purpose of meeting for breakfast after her shift .
Undercover cops come into clubs looking to bust for this regularly. And yes I was sitting at the table when she got arrested.

So please don&#039;t think you can sit there and imply I am unable to read the English language all while INCORRECTLY saying :footinmouth: its not illegal in some places in FL to give a customer your phone number- because sometimes it IS illegal :irked:

Why is it easy for you to believe the assertation for alcohol law but not prostitution :boggled:


At this point the discussion is getting a bit pointless, and I will admit I only responded to you last time on general principle (and because I found your opening line answering my 2-month old post a bit condescending), but...

I have no idea what Tampa considers an "immoral person", but there is no way breakfast can be considered an "immoral purpose", so even though the original discussion was on the State prostitution laws, from what you quote of the Tampa ordinance I would still say giving out her phone number to meet for breakfast was not a violation of that law. Unless, of course, Tampa considers all dancers to be immoral persons by definition, but that would put a real strain on her ability to meet anyone anywhere. Note that I never advocated giving out contact info, and I don&#039;t claim overzealous LE never abuse the laws in making arrests.

I admit to having been a bit testy in the previous response, and I&#039;ve seen enough of your posts in other areas to be convinced you can read (and write, probably among many other things) quite as well as I can. But step back for a second and separate the words "arrest" and "illegal". Can you honestly read that Tampa law, or for that matter the State "assignation" clause, and say you believe this dancer&#039;s accepting a breakfast date was illegal?

sadiskittie
03-29-2004, 09:58 PM
Giving out your phone number can be dangerous they can take your number or you e-mail for that matter and find out where you live Etc. So I would say if you want to keep in touch with customers so they can continue to spend on you take their number ladies and call them when you are working and you need money. (call them from the club) even the nicest of regular customers are only regulars for a very short while until they figure out you only want their money and they are not to bright but they do figure it out unless you are giving it up them they stop being your Regular customer. Just remember alot of these guys aren&#039;t who they say they are you can&#039;t trust them. So becareful in whatever decisions you make.

Rayleen
03-30-2004, 11:32 AM
I only responded to you last time on general principle (and because I found your opening line answering my 2-month old post a bit condescending)

I don&#039;t look at the post date usually so I didn&#039;t realize your post was two months old PanDah sorry, but it doesnt change that giving out a phone number to a customer can be grounds for arrest and conviction in some places.
Basicaly, I saw something in your post that I knew to be incorrect and so I corrected it and backed it up my correction with 1st hand experiences as well as facts.



there is no way breakfast can be considered an "immoral purpose", so even though the original discussion was on the State prostitution laws, from what you quote of the Tampa ordinance I would still say giving out her phone number to meet for breakfast was not a violation of that law.


It doesnt matter if you think it isn&#039;t illegal or not , it is ILLEGAL
Have a nice day
:moped:

Pan Dah
03-30-2004, 08:57 PM
It doesnt matter if you think it isn&#039;t illegal or not , it is ILLEGAL
Have a nice day
:moped:



No. It is not.

You complain when I comment on understanding English, but you refuse to give up your anecdotes and read the law you yourself posted.

Breakfast is not an "immoral purpose", no matter what overzealous LE chooses to try to claim.

Rayleen
03-30-2004, 11:23 PM
Look dude you are WRONG it is illegal in many places to exchange phone info in an adult use establishment.

Ofcouse I read the law and I was in the court room with her during the entire trial too. On top of that I have had this law explained to me many times. Lets see how many people.... every FL strip club I&#039;ve worked in , a cop and MY LAWYER.

Is it a stupid law that can be misused~ yeah it is , but it doesn&#039;t change the FACTS.

I seriously don&#039;t know why you think you know the local laws pertaining to adult entertainment and prostitution better than someone who grew up there and worked there. Not to mention thinking you know the law better the cops, a judge, every Fl manager I&#039;ve worked for and my lawyer .

Arg- I&#039;m done with this now so just you go ahead and think whatever completely incorrect crap you want about a subject that you have zero first hand knowledge about ::)

Charisma
03-30-2004, 11:32 PM
I&#039;ve given my number out twice, both times very secretly because two customers happened to be people i was very interested in. Here&#039;s a legal question for you guys, say you meet a guy in a club and he&#039;s gorgeous and you enjoy his company and know that had you met him anywhere else you still want just as badly to bang him. If he doesn&#039;t spend a cent on you either at the stage, on the floor, or after the fact, its not prostitution then is it? You&#039;ll all probably reprimand me for being interested in such a cheapskate, but he did make for a good weekend a few weeks later....

-C

Nina
03-31-2004, 12:55 AM
I&#039;ve given my number out twice, both times very secretly because two customers happened to be people i was very interested in. Here&#039;s a legal question for you guys, say you meet a guy in a club and he&#039;s gorgeous and you enjoy his company and know that had you met him anywhere else you still want just as badly to bang him. If he doesn&#039;t spend a cent on you either at the stage, on the floor, or after the fact, its not prostitution then is it? You&#039;ll all probably reprimand me for being interested in such a cheapskate, but he did make for a good weekend a few weeks later....

-C


I don&#039;t know what the law would say about it, but I figure if he isn&#039;t paying you with the express expectation of sexual intercourse (or outercourse) than it isn&#039;t prostitution. I&#039;ve banged my share of hot customers! (waaaaay back in the day when I had no b.f. or friends or life outside of work and therefore no way to meet any men) But we never discussed $$ for sex...That would have been a personal turnoff and it would have ended my lust for them.

Pan Dah
03-31-2004, 04:25 AM
I&#039;ve given my number out twice, both times very secretly because two customers happened to be people i was very interested in. Here&#039;s a legal question for you guys, say you meet a guy in a club and he&#039;s gorgeous and you enjoy his company and know that had you met him anywhere else you still want just as badly to bang him. If he doesn&#039;t spend a cent on you either at the stage, on the floor, or after the fact, its not prostitution then is it? You&#039;ll all probably reprimand me for being interested in such a cheapskate, but he did make for a good weekend a few weeks later....

-C


I don&#039;t know what the law would say about it, but I figure if he isn&#039;t paying you with the express expectation of sexual intercourse (or outercourse) than it isn&#039;t prostitution. I&#039;ve banged my share of hot customers! (waaaaay back in the day when I had no b.f. or friends or life outside of work and therefore no way to meet any men) But we never discussed $$ for sex...That would have been a personal turnoff and it would have ended my lust for them.


Damn, I hate changing gears this abruptly, but I&#039;d advise lots of caution here. Regardless of how wrong I think Rayanna is on the technical reading of the law, her examples are based on real life and show the ways the law can be twisted. You most likely have the understanding of the meaning of prostitution right, but the situation you describe is like standing up on stage and screaming "Arrest Me!" Laws are so vaguely phrased in many cases that you might be charged because they say you are expecting future compensation for the sex if nothing else.

I&#039;m not going to tell you what to do with your life, and a lot of dancers may chime in with a thousand other reasons not to bang customers, but just on the legal grounds you ask about you are walking real close to a dangerous cliff.

Just be careful,.

Isis
03-31-2004, 01:31 PM
just to add my :twocents: to the latest in this thread.

I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve been warned by just about every club manager that getting caught giving or taking phone numbers at the club could get me arrested & I have seen some girls get fired after getting caught so all in all i&#039;d say its a bad idea

michele
03-31-2004, 02:24 PM
Well,I worked in tampa for 2 years and have never heard that it was illegal to give out your phone number.I worked at thee doll house and if you got caught giving your number out you would indeed be fired,but illegal,never heard that.I have been to many meetings held by the liquor board and never heard that there either.I do remember them saying if you verbally tell a customer you will meet them somewere you could definitely be arrested for assignation to prostitution,because whether you are meeting them for breakfast or whatever it can be grounds to commit prostitution.That I believe the phone number thing I dont know,I danced in florida for 7 years and never heard of it.

Tigerlilly
03-31-2004, 04:11 PM
I&#039;m another Tampa local and yes it is true that you can get arrested for assignation for prostitution if you are caught by police exchanging contact information inside a stripclub. This law is largely ignored but I did hear of a few dancers getting arrested for this during the raids in 2000.
By the way, laws like this are usually local ordinances rather than state laws.

DamSkippi
06-10-2008, 05:20 PM
thats like saying you cant meet your friend because you might be selling him drugs.. bullshit. police can be real gay sometimes.. i dont know how/why they do it. protecting people is one thing, going after people that are doing something harmless is another. i work with cops and most of them are powertripping. they think people fear and respect them when its really the badge they fear and respect..

Mr. Bright
06-10-2008, 05:25 PM
How about "thats sweet, but no thanks" instead of stringing the guy along. If you actually like him you wouldn't think "should I give him my phone number" you would think "this guy is fun I'm going to hang out with him" and it would be a non-issue requiring zero thought.

TheTempest
06-10-2008, 05:46 PM
How about "thats sweet, but no thanks" instead of stringing the guy along. If you actually like him you wouldn't think "should I give him my phone number" you would think "this guy is fun I'm going to hang out with him" and it would be a non-issue requiring zero thought.

um because if we say no the customer probably won't come back and won't spend money on us. if they have a way to contact us, or aren't completely shot down they'll feel better than if we say "I'm really not interested in you even though I may have said I was to get you to buy lapdances"

velvet
06-10-2008, 06:36 PM
how about this thread is from 2004 and we really dont want/need customer input in hustle hut. closed