View Full Version : Approaching Every Customer is Important
tmlsuperspice
10-22-2006, 01:25 PM
It's important not to base your personal value on how much money you make or how many dances you get. Just look at yourself and know that you are incredible, then go tell everyone else :-)
Lena
ACTUALLY, I must base my personal value on how much money I make. If I can't pay my rent and bills, I'm not very valueable.:'( This is my job, my business. If I'm failing in my business, I don't feel so hot.
As far as approaching every customer, Asian men for me are always a NO. They even leave their seat stageside when I approach. If I notice a group of guys reject 5 beauties in a row, I'll be damn if I'll be #6. They're not buying dances. Some men won't even make eye contact with me if I'm sitting in their lap.
I'm not ugly, I'm not fat, But I'm BLACK...in Vegas. And custys can be cruel.>:(
How is 30mns in the locker room drinking water and fixing my makeup supposed to resolve that?
greentea
10-22-2006, 02:22 PM
It amazes me in the majority of clubs I go to nowadays that the girls don't work the floor. The money WILL NOT come to you.
Every dancer should approach EVERY customer and ask for the business, ask for a dance, talk to him briefly, go back to the guy who said no earlier and be persistent.
So many clubs I work at now the girls do their stage sets and go sit down. The money is made selling dances. If your clubs DJ doesn't push dances push him into doing it. Tip him extra to push the dances and hardball the crowd into buying them.
You CAN"T look at aguy and tell if he will spend money. All dancers who don't actively approach customers for dances need to work in Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso or Fresno for a week. Those girls constantly go from table to table asking for dances and the guys are used to it. some clubs will require you to sit with the guy briefly and the Southwestern clubs I mentioned don't.
Just because some black guys are jivey or some Mexicans are too grabby, or the guys look too young or the guy looks like a hick doesn't mean all these guys won't spend money on dances. you can't stereotype guys. Are all strippers sluts? See what I mean?
I have been to clubs where the DJ announces come to him if you want a dance with a certain dancer. the girls get off stage and go sit down not trying to work the floor and sell anyone dances unless the customer makes the first move. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE MONEY THAT WAY!!!!
Approach EVERY customer and don't be afraid to go back several times. Be friendly but persistent. Don't ignore and walk by one or two customers and talk to the third one. The other guys you walked by might have been a sale.
This is SOOOOO important. And when you get off stage DON'T go to the dressing room. IMMEDIATELY get out there and work the floor, starting out with the customer who gave you the most eye contact on stage first. if stage tips were slow, walk around and ask for tips AS SOON as you get off stage. I don't care if the other girls don't do it , you do it!!!
A good dancer won't try to judge customers. Her job is to persistently approach all the customers in the club using good selling techniques and being friendly.
As a customer,I have to disagree and I will tell you why.
Every guy has thier own personal taste in women,either your the customers type,or your not.These lap dances are not free,so why should a guy accept a lap dance from a girl he isnt really diggin? and really you can ask 100 times,but if he doesnt wnat to dance,he doesnt want to dance.I think persistant just annoys the customer and makes him LESS willing to give in.
Perfect example,there was this girl who I actually thought was good looking,she came up and said "you want a dance?",well I just arrived at the club,and while I wouldnt mind one from her I just wanted to finish my drink and chill,so I told her "no thanks,I will go to you later when I am ready".
Well,she must have came up to me 10 times in 30 minutes,"you ready yet"?" "ready?" etc...to the point where I was going to the bathroom to get away.See thats just annoying,I ended up not getting a dance from her becaus e she bugged too much.Persistance can definatly backfire.
look,if a guy thinks yoru hot,he will get a lap dance and more than likely will approach you.He is obviously there for that reason,so really there is no need to hound customers,if one digs you,theres a 99% chance he will go to you sometime that night,with or without you asking.
hounding customers for dances is definatly not the way to go,as a customer thats a huge turn off and in fact makes me LESS willing.Guys come to strip clubs to relax,not to get nagged.
greentea
10-22-2006, 02:27 PM
Here's a good tip I learned in departement stores that works for strippng; NO doesn't always mean NO.
-Sometimes they say "Maybe later..." (I hate that!) Then I say, "why would want to put off a good thing when you can have it now"
-Then they could say something like "let me finish my beer" .... you say : "you can bring your beer in the VIP with you if you like!"
-Then if they are still a little reluctant say something sweet like " Come on I wont hurt you!"
-And if they still say "maybe later" (arrrgh!) Give it some time and GO BACK to that table, for a quick "are you ready for me now?" with a sexy smile on your face.
Usually, if you were charming enough guys, somewhere along that process, will give in to your charm and get a couple dances from you. But remember its not 100% , but at least when you go home at night, you will know that you did your best and I guarantee that will show in wallet!!!
Remember, be positive. It's not you they're rejecting it's the dance. People have different tastes and budgets and you have to respect that.
The key to everything is your last statement,everyone has different tastes and different budgets,your completley right.
But to be honest,the whole "maybe later" thing is a blow off.I say that to dancers I usually dont really like.Mostly just because you dont want to be rude and just say "no".It just seems less harsh when you say not now maybe later.
But if a customer says "maybe later",the best way (from a cust standpoint) to respond,would be "ok,just come up to me when your ready",..then leave it at that.If you hound him and nag him for a dance the whole night after that,your only gonna push him further away and just bug him.
la429
10-22-2006, 02:38 PM
"It's important not to base your personal value on how much money you make or how many dances you get. Just look at yourself and know that you are incredible, then go tell everyone else :-)"
Lena said it perfect
it's just a SALES job. Try tele-marketing and selling door to door. NO is just another step closer to YES. Breaks are good for re-grouping and changing your approach.
greentea
10-22-2006, 02:45 PM
"It's important not to base your personal value on how much money you make or how many dances you get. Just look at yourself and know that you are incredible, then go tell everyone else :-)"
Lena said it perfect
it's just a SALES job. Try tele-marketing and selling door to door. NO is just another step closer to YES. Breaks are good for re-grouping and changing your approach.
Every Cust. should be approached,however if you keep getting a "no" from a particular Cust. there is really no need to continue to ask him.Persistantly asking a Cust who keeps saying "no" is only going to bug him.
As a customer I dont want to hurt anyones feelings,so i will say "no thanks" or "I will come up to you later"...I think that sure beats "I dont think your cute" or "Im not into blondes" lol
As a Cust. we have to walk taht fine line,we dont want to hurt the girls feelings,however we also want to get the point across that we dont want a dance from you.We also dont want to be nagged every 5 min. for a dance after we keep sayng NO.
GoldCoastGirl
10-22-2006, 08:10 PM
Every Cust. should be approached,however if you keep getting a "no" from a particular Cust. there is really no need to continue to ask him.Persistantly asking a Cust who keeps saying "no" is only going to bug him.
Here is a good rule of thumb for everyone in re: re-approaching a potential customer:
Re-approach the person three times in total (the first initial approach and two more afterward) and if they still aren't interested after the third time you have approached them then move on. Also, when you do re-approach the person, leave a 3-4 song break between approaches this way it allows you to keep re-approaching the person without hassling them.
The only time you do not re-approach someone is when they have said NO (or it is an obvious NO answer). As much as we all know that "maybe later" is a brush off, please do take it on board as the person saying "maybe later" in a positive sense and re-approach them two more times from the intital first approach. The only way you can tell if that "maybe later" is a true brush off is after you have re-approached the person ... if you assume all "maybe later" responses are negative then you will miss the genuine ones.
Starfire
10-23-2006, 10:55 AM
This thread brings up an important point. There's been lots of times where people say to me, I wanted to get a dance from you last time, but you never came up to me. What the customer above said "if they want a dance they will ask" is simply not true. Men in strip clubs often feel like they shouldn't have to do the work and come find the dancer, the dancer is supposed to come up to them. I'm certainly not saying to hound people but to at least approach everyone is important. (Now if I could only follow my own advice I'd be rich!)
Green Tea, when I say be persistent, i don't mean going back to a guy 10 times in 30 minutes.
And 99 out of 100 guys want to be approached by the dancers. They DO NOT want to have to flag down girls for a dance.
Dancers nowadays need to stop being afraid of being turned down. Many get into this business thinking it is really about dancing and it is not. A dancer is a saleswomen. A cold calling commission only saleswoman. And EVERYONE who makes a living in sales doesn't cry over getting told no. They know they will get more no's than yesses. A girl who isn't really a salesperson type shouldn't really be in this business.
Green Tea, I understand not wanting a dance when you first get in the club, but you said you wouldn't have minded a dance from the girl that approached you 10 times. Why did you not get a dance from her the second time she came around if you found her attractive?
Andygirl
10-25-2006, 05:14 AM
I don't approach every customer. I pick and choose. Part of the appeal of the job is that I don't have to do anything that makes me uncomfortable. If someone skeeves me out or it's a group of 21-year-olds, it is my prerogative to go past them.
My personal style is not to "dollar dance" the entire room looking for guys. I approach those who have tipped me on stage and generally stay busy the entire night doing that.
Some girls do it and that's cool, but there's something about a girl who has walked up to every guy and not scored one private dance. That doesn't look appealing to me, and I wouldn't think it looks appealing to the guys. Guys want the dancer who is in demand. If you can establish that early on, you're set.
Ilovetodance
10-27-2006, 01:56 PM
I don't approach every customer. I pick and choose. Part of the appeal of the job is that I don't have to do anything that makes me uncomfortable. If someone skeeves me out or it's a group of 21-year-olds, it is my prerogative to go past them.
My personal style is not to "dollar dance" the entire room looking for guys. I approach those who have tipped me on stage and generally stay busy the entire night doing that.
Some girls do it and that's cool, but there's something about a girl who has walked up to every guy and not scored one private dance. That doesn't look appealing to me, and I wouldn't think it looks appealing to the guys. Guys want the dancer who is in demand. If you can establish that early on, you're set.
I use this method too, just because I dont want it to feel like an assembly line. I would rather zig zag around the room. I find it works more than not, because the guy notices that I walked around the room to come to him. Granted I've missed out on some but I feel this method works better for me. I still try to get to everyone around, I just don't go down the row.
Amanda
Zipporah
11-13-2006, 06:18 PM
Hi, I also think its the best to approach everybody in the club/pub, only i ask 1 time only, i don't go back if somebody says: maybe later or 'no'.......for me a no is no i dont find it worth it to try again.....and i also think men find it just very annoying if you come back after he said no....
I have only a little problem at the pub i work now....its a great pub don't get me wrong i still want to work here 4-5 days a week single and double shifts...but we are not allowed to approach customers to ask for dances because they think its to 'pushy', but they just got a license for this private dance so a lot of guys who come have no idea that we offer dances the barrstaff is also not allowed to even tell about it, so that leaves us in a weird spot, almost all girls sit in a corner and read magazines and look very bored and not in the mood to work, it sometimes look like they are being forced to do this job, its not that they are forced but it looks like it......i don't like this style come on the money will not come to them that way, so i regulary put on a smile and stand at the total opposite side of where they are sitting and it happend a few times that i got lapdances from just standing and smiling....but i am sure that if i would approach every guy in the pub i could earn triple more, lot of guys are also kind of shy.....so i want to start tommorow with approaching guys and slowly tactfull tell about this lapdances hope it will work out, but if 1 guy don't want a dance and he is going to tell the staff that i asked for a dance i will get fired!
Other way we make dough here is go around with a jug before we start our stage show and they have to put a minimum of 1 pound in the jug thats ok if there are 30 or 40 men in the pub for each jugcollection....but if there are only 5 guys on a slow day then it would be nice for us to ask for dances because you never know how much dances 1 guy will take with you.....
Also there is a graveyard shift in this pub the 12.00 till 16.00 is HORRIBLE because there are absolutly no lapdances allowed and its sooooo slow sometimes only 3 guys in the pub!!!! and ok i regulary sit and drink a coke with a guy and he gives me something for this time....but if a guy dont give me anything i am also not allowed to ask money for talking with guys because they also think this is to pushy.....and we are not allowed in the dressingroom only to change and makeup so if a guy loves me i am not allowed to ask him money for my talking time but i also can not hide anywhere else to avoid this in love guys pffffff i really still want to work here so i just need some advice on bending the rules a bit and don't get fired?????? in order to make some dough specially on the dayshifts with talking!!!!
Thanks
anomar
11-14-2006, 08:17 AM
Could you tell guys that you aren't allowed to ask them for dances? Like, dress it up as a big secret. Like you are telling them something that they are not supposed to know. Then they'll feel like you have confided in them and if they're inclined to get dances then that is their (glaringly obvious) cue to get 'em.
Taylorlila
08-02-2007, 09:47 AM
This thread is soooo what I needed to read today. My past 2 nights at work have sucked (and not cuz I sat around, I try to work the floor as best I can) and sometimes its hard for me to feel motivated after that....but now I'm ready to get to work and hustle my boo-tay off!
TiffanyRae
08-02-2007, 11:16 AM
This is very true. ill have to keep this in mind. and although i do try to talk to each guy and be friendly and flirty and persistant, after it seems like every guy has said no 3 times, it gets a little discouraging. the other night i was working it! i mean my hustle was on, i was feeling good and looking cute as hell and every guy kept saying no! after an hour of that i left with $25!!! i didnt even make enough for tip out! what a shitty night. but ima get back out there tonight and try to remember these tips and apply them and try to have a sucessful night.
blaze_n_hot
08-08-2007, 01:47 AM
Thanks y'all, this is just what I needed. My last two days have been shitty, but I have to remember that this job is just like sales. When I worked retail, I didn't get offended if every customer I talked to didn't buy. This job should be the same way.
I'm ready to bust out of my funk and make some $$$$ :)
Foxy_Roxy
08-16-2007, 07:16 PM
I am in the crowd that needed this desperatly as well.
Thank You.
innocnece
08-21-2007, 08:34 AM
I just started dancing again and am working on my selling skills tahnks for the advice!
Miss_Luscious
08-22-2007, 01:59 PM
Last night was slow and there wasn't a lot of stage tipping going. I noticed one guy looking at me but not tipping so after my stage set I went over to see it I could at least wrangle a dollar out of him. As soon as I walked up to him, he asked for a dance. I almost didn't go over to him because I was pissed that he didn't tip but I'm glad I did.
I've learned to approach everyone because some of my best customers didn't seem to be interested in me from the stage but I approached them anyway.
athomeinlondontown
08-26-2007, 06:48 AM
I've only been dancing for about six months and I know what you say is true cause all the girls at my club that make the big bucks tell me to do it all the time, but I'm not a talkative person when it comes to strangers that I don't give a shit about! I always find myself not knowing what kind of questions to ask to make small talk or even the best lines to subtlely ask for a dance, so if you have any 1 liners or a list of general questions to ask to get things going I would really appreciate it!
paintgoddess
08-27-2007, 07:17 AM
^^^You don't have to be talkative. You really don't want to get involved in a major conversation, since you really are there to sell dances. Small talk is perfectly fine. You don't have to get creative with the way you ask for a dance, although I'd steer away from a yes/no question. I always say, How about I dance for you next song. It's a question worded like a statement. Read around in Hustle Hut, and you'll find many more answers than I could personally offer.
Back on topic, I actually have a mantra that I repeat in my head at work. It is the essence of my hustle in simple words:
Approach everyone,
sooner than later,
take their money,
and move.
Approach everyone. As many as you can get to, without sizing them up first. Approach first, think later. Hustle down the line, zig zag, amble randomly and stop, however you want to do it. It's like playing russian roullette, only instead of bullets, it's money. Which I find rather sexy.
Sooner than later. Remember the last time you took a couple more drags on your cig while eyeing a customer, only to watch some other bitch sit down with him (dammit! I was going to talk to him next but she got there first!!) You watch her immediately take off her dress and dance (easy yes) or walk him to VIP minutes later. That could have been you and you know it. What were you waiting for?
Take their money. That is the reason you approached them in the first place, and the reason you'll leave if they're not spending. Redirect the conversation. Close the sale. Sell repeat dances. Up-sell.
And move. Get going. You have more to sell. Someone is waiting for you. You don't need to stick around and kiss ass, or finish your drink. You don't need a break. Keep moving.
Sierra30
08-27-2007, 09:50 AM
If I get no from every single guy in the room, I'll go back in the dressing room, drink my bottled water, fix my make up, tell myself how beautiful I am, pamper myself a little, go talk to someone who makes me happy or call someone on my cell that makes me happy, and then go back out there.
It's important not to base your personal value on how much money you make or how many dances you get. Just look at yourself and know that you are incredible, then go tell everyone else :-)
Lena
This is EXACTLY what i do as well...I completely agree with it too...Ive had those nights as well and NORMALLY they are the nights before i have a couple of nights off and i just wanna go home cause i KNOW i have the next couple of days off...BUT, i go into the dressing room ( which i dont do often cause its TWO HUGE flights of stairs up) and re-colect my thoughts, sit on the couch, smoke a cigarette, observe what all the rest of the girls are doing ( alot of the dancers are goffy and act REALLY silly without even knowing it and its amusing) and then when im done, i go back downstairs with a HUGE smile on my face and normally, THAT is when i start getting yes's...
Sierra30
08-27-2007, 09:52 AM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Jan-28-Wed-2004/photos/cuban.jpg
Would you approach this jerk in the club?
He's Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks and a billionaire.
;)
I actually would. these are the "types" that come into my club... :)
Sierra30
08-27-2007, 10:06 AM
Just wanted to add "do you wanna play with me?" line is miss leading if all the dancer does is dance. Especially in no contact clubs.
Also wanted to ask how do you feel about the lady on stage asking for the dance as she collects her money and thanks her customers? I do this at the end of my stag show and usually can get about half of my dances of the night this way.
Iiiiiii dunno...i work in a no contact club and the "Wanna have fun and come play with me?" works like a charm...i think it really depends on how you work that.
Sierra30
08-27-2007, 10:13 AM
maybe it's just me, but this seems a little too brazen. I would never swipe a guy's money from a table... if he wants you to have it, he'll tip you. Then, if that move pisses him off (which I can imagine it would...I would certainly be perturbed) the chance of selling to him is BLOWN.... for a couple of ones.
thats the first thing that crossed my mind...i couldnt EVER imagine grabbing someones money unless they handed it to me.
Sierra30
08-27-2007, 10:31 AM
And 99 out of 100 guys want to be approached by the dancers. They DO NOT want to have to flag down girls for a dance.
Dancers nowadays need to stop being afraid of being turned down. Many get into this business thinking it is really about dancing and it is not. A dancer is a saleswomen. A cold calling commission only saleswoman. And EVERYONE who makes a living in sales doesn't cry over getting told no. They know they will get more no's than yesses. A girl who isn't really a salesperson type shouldn't really be in this business.
I COMPLETELY agree...when i tell girls at MY club (when they ask if im doing well) that if i walk out of our club with less then AT LEAST $400 a night, im having a bad night, they start bitching and saying "WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?!" One of the girls literally JUST started dancing and shes doing ALOT of stuff that i KNOW the custys dont like (wearing body glitter, slapping her inner thighs ALOOOOOOOT) because theyve mentioned it to me...but anyway, i told her "you just havent found your angle yet thats all" and gave her a *few* pointers....and told her as such about being a saleswoman cause she was concerned that "still heavy from having her baby"...i COMPLETELY agree its about being a saleswoman...
cinammonkisses
08-27-2007, 10:49 AM
Sooner than later. Remember the last time you took a couple more drags on your cig while eyeing a customer, only to watch some other bitch sit down with him (dammit! I was going to talk to him next but she got there first!!) You watch her immediately take off her dress and dance (easy yes) or walk him to VIP minutes later. That could have been you and you know it. What were you waiting for?
F*** that was me last night...TWICE mind you! >:(
Lucia Wild
09-27-2011, 03:37 PM
I've always had the mindset of 'hustle men who tip well, if they dont tip then they arent worth asking' BUT my VIP customer last weekend put it in perspective - he said he doesnt want to waste his money on passing out one and two dollar bills, he wants to spend his money on quality time with the right girl. Well if I was walking into a club with plenty of money and the intention to spend it all, I might think the same way too.
Rileygrl06
09-27-2011, 05:13 PM
In an ideal world, I would definitely agree with the OP that going up to every guy in the club is the most effective way to make money; however, in my situation, I have to go about things differently. I'm very shy and social interactions drain me. If I forced myself to talk to every single customer all the time, I'd end up hiding in the champagne room in full meltdown mode before the day was over with. I get tired of having to kiss everyone's ass and pretend how everything is all perfect by being super smiley and friendly. I have to conserve my energy by picking men I think already like me (using eye contact as my indicator). If I don't see anyone I like, I will take a quick break at my locker, and then go and stand at the edge of the bar and make myself available looking if someone wants to approach me. Many of my customers approach me first. Its much easier for me than facing the frequent "no's" from using the old "Wanna dance?" routine around the room.
Halliwell
09-28-2011, 10:14 PM
I got a book of motivation from my mother in law and my favorite one I say over n overin my head "every no is that much closer to a yes" it keeps me going
lolligater
10-02-2011, 12:07 AM
This is such a motivational post, THANK YOU! I have worked in a club for a year and a half, and I still have trouble going up to people. (I think it carries over from rotten self-esteem just a few years back)
Since reading this post, and going up to people, smiling, etc. my earnings have increased enough that I feel comfortable. Seriously, cannot thank you enough :)
JessicaCM
10-04-2011, 10:38 AM
I will just say that ignoring a customer because of his looks or "wierdness" is bad unless he was rude to you in the past. The one you ignore could be the biggest spender there.
Every time I talk to a customers, the majority of them have come to tip me on stage. I think I'm good with convo, I just have to idea how to ask them for private dances and lap dances. The ones I've had so far (been dancing a little over a month now) - customers have asked me from either seeing me on stage or conversation. I have done 1 lap dance, and 3 privates. Mind you, I have only asked 1 or 2 customers since I started. I just need help on how to ask without being to forward!!!
britneyireland
10-24-2011, 02:17 PM
I think it depends on the overall supply and demand of whats going on in the club at that time.
If it's busy, guys are buying, and there are more customers than dancers...then by all means...just start asking.
If the club is slow (like most are nowadays...this thread is REALLY old) you are going to have to do as Lucia Wilde suggested.
smeca
11-03-2011, 04:59 PM
Make sure you approach everyone and make them all feel welcome. It's been dead in my club last few weeks but I've had a few guys give me their freebie dance token and/or cash tips on their way out, when actually I was hating them cos they were all the 'just here for a drink' types! Worth not getting mad over they might surprise you.
(tips are super rare where i am in the uk so this is always a very welcome surprise lol)