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The_Kid
09-29-2003, 07:43 AM
AWBOY- This is a toughie. IF your heart is set on
Krav Maga you'll have to ask what their rates are for private lessons. My instuctor charges $100 per hr.
and I charge $50 AND we DO NOT travel.
If Jiu-jitsu is available I'd go with that. You can also
check with the YMCA and your local health clubs to see
what they are offering. If there is a Jewish Community
Center they often offer Krav Maga.
If you master one of many styles you'll be able to
defend yourself. The problem is that at many
schools you get locked into the pace of your class;
the instructor is primarily focused on making a buck
and charges for the gi, for each and every belt you
earn etc. etc. ad nauseum. Secondly, too many of
them focus on "fighting" as opposed to SELF-DEFENSE.
They are really two totally separate and different things.Most importantly, their programs take YEARS. At a reputable school it takes three to four years of
serious hard work to earn a black belt AND at least
half of what you learned and practiced to get one is
totally useless in a real "street situation".
Katas, board breaking and most weapons training
are valuable training tools for martial arts; NOT
self-defense.Again, they are TWO (2) different and separate things.
What you can do AFTER - seriously studying, training
and practicing for at least a year- you can buy some
Krav Maga video tapes and try to use them. I really
don't reccomend trying to learn self-defense from
books or videos but you may not have too much of
a choice. Good luck!
whirlerz
05-21-2004, 08:27 AM
Eeek how scary. To me some things, like the chance of getting killed, maimed, or busted are Not worth any $. Please understand, I'm not criticizing, anyone! I've read, & you should too, Hillside stranglers, and other serial killer true stories. Please, be carefull.
Tiff_7_17
05-29-2004, 11:27 PM
In response to the earlier comment of Tae Kwon Do not being effective because of all that "belt bullshit"...I strongly beg to differ. I'm trained in many different forms of martial arts, and specialize in Tae Kwon do...of course it depends on the school you are attending, and the style, but about 60% of my training was partial/full contact sparring against other people. Your adrenaline is pumping, you are fighting with another person and your objective is to take them down. I've been introduced to weapons classes while taking tae kwon do...which also teaches you to use everyday objects to help you better defend yourself, i've gotten to the point where I could kill someone effectively with a shower curtain rod. ANYWAYS, i'm sort of rambling. Any sort of martial art/self defense course will improve your odds of being able to protect yourself. Even though i'm not a big fan of your basic community center self defense courses that teach you a lot of things you will never need to know in order to get your 50 dollar registration fee in exchange for a little peace of mind. Another weapon that, hopefully, we all have in our possesion that hasn't really been mentioned in this is teeth. Biting down, and chomping on, an attacker is a good way to AT LEAST loosen thier grip on you...it's fast and it will catch someone off guard... Gradually through my martial arts programs, i've built up to being able to confidently spar a 250 pound male black belt fellow student in a contact situation...and kick his ass, I know that whatever I do, if something gets ugly I have a good chance at coming out on top. I urge every woman out there, not necissarily only escorts, to get some sort of training under thier belts, if only just as a confidence booster.
Anyways...that's my two bits...the bottom line is, it bothers me when people undermine martial arts...if they were so pointless they wouldn't have been around for centuries.
LEIGH_LANDON
05-30-2004, 09:04 PM
being an escort so I open this thread and its hijacked by some kung fu mania?
yeesh
The_Kid
05-31-2004, 12:56 PM
Tiff 7-17- No disrespect to you and your fellow Tae
Kwan do practicioners BUT from what I've seen from
most , not all, but most Tae Kwan Do dojos in the
NYC area I am unimpressed. Most of the schools I've
seen have degenerated into "belt factories" that
emphasize tournaments i.e. winning trophies in
forms, weapons and a very controlled totally
unrealistic form of sparring based on points.
Most of these places are completely money driven-
they charge for every grading and every tip added to every belt. I'm sorry but I've met too many green belts
who would do just fine in a "real street situation" and
too many holders of black belts who would get badly
hurt or killed. One of the best "self-defense" teachers
I ever met and studied with was Charles Nelson and he
did NOT hold any rank in any recognized martial art
yet his Charles Nelson School of Self-Defense had a
well deserved reputation for teaching real self-defense.
To me a belt is just a way to keep your gi closed.
Tiff_7_17
05-31-2004, 06:43 PM
kung fu mania could save your ass one day.
The_Kid
06-01-2004, 01:48 PM
What is that supposed to mean? Either you know self-defense or you don't.
Wwanderer
06-01-2004, 05:00 PM
I certainly would not want to say anything to discourage an escort...or any woman, any person actually...from learning how to defend herself, either via (real and practical) martial arts or with a weapon. It is an important and powerful life skill that ought to be taught in the schools imo.
However, I think the tangent onto which this thread has wandered could give a prospective escort an exaggerated impression of the danger (of assault) she is likely to face. I know a number of upscale escorts fairly well, several of them for years and quite well, and none of them has ever been attacked or injured by a customer. Most of them have been threatened a time or two and have been worried by a customer's behavior a few times, sometimes to the point where they have split without their fee. Also, many years ago I was a regular customer of a young provider (a college student) who got beaten up (lost a few teeth) by a mugger who trailed her as she left a hotel (after an appointment) late one night in order to steal her earnings. So, I am not saying that it is not a risky business, more risky than a typical 9-5 office job or whatever by a fair margin; it definitely is. Nevertheless, most escorts (at least upscale indies and agency providers), probably go through their whole career without ever being attacked and needing to fight.
Bottom line: You should learn how to protect yourself, but you should not get the impression that you are going to have to fight customers on anything like a routine basis. Unless you are unlucky (or ignore obvious safety precautions), it won't happen even once.
-Ww
Tiff_7_17
06-01-2004, 06:40 PM
The_kid: I'm confused, I posted that reply about kung fu mania to what Leigh_Landon said, not your response, which I would totally agree with. I'm really not fond of Olympic style TKD, which makes up about 80% of the art these days...they've taken an art, and turned it into a sport. A flashy sport that is all about winning shiny medals against other people in the same "sport". Not that I have anything against shiny medals, but that definitely isn't the point. The point is to be able to survive an attack from someone else, with whichever method chosen.
The_Kid
06-02-2004, 09:39 AM
Tiff- A thousand pardons ! My error. I apologize. BTW- I
commend your intellectual honesty in recognizing what
has happened to Tae Kwan Do in the U.S. over the last
20 yrs. or so. IMO, when properly practiced and applied
it is an excellent style or system, esspecially for younger
and more athletic types.
The_Kid
06-02-2004, 09:58 AM
Wwanderer- You are correct that escorts and dancers
are not dropping like flies AND the best way to minimize
the risks is to use common sense and avoid potential
dangerous situations as much as possible. For escorts
that means inter alia : Screen , Screen and Screen some more to weed out the creeps.
But remember, all it takes is one time and a dancing
or escorting career can be over. A very good friend
of mine was repeatedly stabbed and almost killed a
few months ago BY HER HUSBAND! He's in jail. She's
back living with her parents and working at Wal-mart.
I've studied and trained for over 20 yrs. and needed to
use what I know exactly one time when a punk with a knife tried to mug me and I got nicked on the hand
taking away his knife. He went to jail after a trip to the
E.R. and I went home that night. That's what it's all
about. You hope you never face a "real situation" but
if you do, you want the odds in YOUR favor.
Wwanderer
06-02-2004, 11:41 AM
1 - the best way to minimize
the risks is to use common sense and avoid potential
dangerous situations as much as possible. For escorts
that means inter alia : Screen , Screen and Screen some more to weed out the creeps.
2 - A very good friend
of mine was repeatedly stabbed and almost killed a
few months ago BY HER HUSBAND!
3 - You hope you never face a "real situation" but
if you do, you want the odds in YOUR favor.
I agree so strongly with your whole post that I had a tough time figuring out which bits to quote!
1 - Absolutely! And one good thing about the now well established and elaborate "hobby" (prostitution or escort) online community is that it is often possible for providers to check out the reps of their customers in advance with other women who have seen them. In fact, some will not see a guy without such a reference. There are also groups of known safe "good" guys and so forth.
2 - You did not say if your friend was an escort or dancer, but I wouldn't be surprised if even escorts are at more risk of assault from someone they know and are close to than by a customer.
3 - Right. And, even if one never has to face a "real" situation, I think that there is considerable psychological value (reduced stress) in having some confidence that one could defend oneself if necessary...as long as it does not become over confidence that leads to foolishly risky behavior, of course.
-Ww
The_Kid
06-08-2004, 01:53 PM
WWanderer- She was a dancer & occ. part-time escort
with a very few regular customers. After she told me about the first time he smacked her around I told her to leave him and not look back because a guy who can hit
a woman once will do it over & over again i.e. they don't
stop themselves. Sadly, she didn't listen to me & paid the price.
thirtiestx
08-03-2004, 06:07 AM
Just some thoughts,
- I totally believe that every person should learn self-defense skills and practice them, but learning these skills is no substitute for the best self-defense skills - common sense and having your eyes wide open. If you feel you are entering an area or situation that you are compromising your safety, exit while you have the means and opportunity. Just like the kids game "Rock, Paper Scissors", "kung fu" or "chop, kick, chop" has little to no chance of beating "Smith & Wesson"
- While there may be some escorts who are paid for pure companionship, I would have to believe that the interview process and qualifications for those positions are more involved than a pretty face and a nice figure. I would best compare this type of companion to a real Geisha in Japan who undergo years of training. In a nutshell, how many people are going to pay $200-$300 per hour for someone to come to a hotel room at 10pm to chat with them?
- As far as a service telling you or having you sign a document that you are not selling sexual services, only companionship,,, that is a legal "cover their behind" move. Afterall, if you are told not to do it, sign a statement that you will not do it and do it anyway,,, it gives them a defense.
- To minimize legal problems,,, never discuss any sexual activity as part of the transaction. This advice holds true for both clients and escorts. If a new client or an escort trys to make it part of the discussion, politely say I am sorry, that there must be a misunderstanding and leave. To better cover yourself, don't arrive to the "date" wearing 5" heels, a ultra short mini and your boobs busting out. Dress nice as if you are prepared to go out to a better than average restaurant.
While it may not be a hard and fast rule, if you get through the above without issue, ask the client to get as comfortable as he likes while you step into the restroom to freshen up. Girls have the advantage that a striptease is always a welcome show for a man so you can walk out of the restroom fully dressed and perform a striptease to the same level of comfortable attire the client has chosen. I have been told by escorts that their test of someone being a real client is that the client undresses completely when asked to get comfortable. If you walk out and the guy is fully dressed, that is a warning sign that this may be a person who has a car with flashing lights on the roof and may escort you, wearing new jewelry, to the back seat of it. Also, do not carry a firearm on your person or in your bag while doing business,,,if you do fall into legal trouble, it can make a bad situation a nightmare --- if you are not licensed to carry one,,,multiply the nightmare by 2.
Just like a dancer at a SC, an escort is going to have a wide range of clientele. While there will be always clients that scrap the bottom of the barrel, there are also respectable clients.
I know quite a few people who utilize escorts because they travel heavily and do not have the time to develop or maintain a regular bf/gf relationship. In my own travels, sometimes you do not even have to hire an escort as there are professional women who are in the same situation and meetings happen at the hotel bar. Of course, some are just looking for a fantasy and just like a dancer is acting and creating a fantasy, the escort is doing the same.
lost niki
10-23-2004, 08:51 PM
Well Girls, I certainly have a lot ot report about this biz...it's been GREAT!! I screen the guys by seeing a picture first and so far everyone of them has been sooooo sweet! They are all the same:
business men (mostly young) who just don't have time to date and want a soft girl to kiss and hug and feel good with.
A lot of them want me to act like a "girlfriend". Some who have been repeat clients even write me emails like I am their friend/girlfriend or something. Almost none of them even last an hour....usually I am out of there in 15-20 minutes!
I actually ENJOY most of the guys company and don't mind it in the least.
Believe me, it isn't for everyone, but if you have a casual attitude about sex, you can make some easy cash and meet some very interesting rich men in the process. My friend works incall/outcall escort.The problem is a lot of men like to play phone games.They call and make an apointment, but they never show up.In Florida shops( incalls at a building) often have low rates. Can you say $100 for the world. They hire crack whores that will do anything cheap without protection.You are never safe.Even old men age 65 are into weird, kinky stuff.Men in Florida are strange anyway. The young guys want a woman that will support them. Married men sleep around alot here.A girl may get 10 phone calls a day and none of them show up. Watch out for game players.If they call private, they usually don't show.I wish we could ask men , why they do this ?
From what Ive seen there are a lot of game players. The goal would be to separate the wheat from the chafe but Im not sure how to do that. I dont play those silly games but sadly I guess there are guys that do.
FBR