View Full Version : Why Dance prepays are like gasoline prepays
livenudegirlsunite
03-08-2004, 03:47 AM
I will not do more than two dances without getting payed when I first start dancing for a guy. Once I know that he is trustworthy I will do more without requiring payment after every two songs unless I am in VIP. If a guy does a lot of up front haggling then I always require an up front payment. Any guy who goes on and on about how he thinks I should do my job or about how much of a bigshot he is - I don't trust. Those are the guys who try to rip off the dancers.
I work in a very nice club by the way. Most managers tell the dancers to get the money up front especially in VIP.
Bridgette
03-08-2004, 05:27 AM
Polecat, your point about customers who get sooooo offended by the prepay thing and flat refuse to do so simply on 'principle' generally being the kind who will try to stiff us or get more than they should for their dollar is exactly right on. You also hit on the male-female dynamic where some always do everything to manipulate the female into submission. I will take it a step further to say that these guys harbor resentment toward females which causes a desire to get some sort of revenge on any and all members of the female sex, and/or they just think that women don't deserve to get paid for that kind of entertainment and will do everything they can to screw us in one way or another.
Ami brings a very valid point to the restaurant argument. Mainstream businesses have ways of recouperating those types of losses, AND more ways to get deal with theives who commit the crime. How long do you think a cop would laugh if a call was made from a SC about a customer who ran out without paying a dancer for the dances she did? Other than prepay clubs, I have NEVER worked in a club where the managers didn't warn me to get my money up front in order to avoid being stiffed, and I have danced for going on 9 years in ALOT of clubs in alot of areas. We girls know we have absolutely no recourse whatsoever, so in light of that, yeah I'd say a girl who has learned from bad experience to get paid up front is just a little more right than the customer who gets 'put off' by it. IMO, those guys need to grow up!
Finally, some have mentioned what the girl loses when she gets stiffed. It is damn well a tangible thing! She loses HER hard-earned money! As soon as the guy agrees to a dance from a girl, he owes her that money, which makes it her money. When he doesn't give it to her after she performed the service, it's the same as if he just walked up and grabbed money right out of her garter and ran. Furthermore, while she danced for an asshole who wouldn't pay her, she could have been dancing for a paying customer. In economic terms, this is called opportunity cost, and believe me, it is a very real cost. Like the consulting contractor who takes on a contract with someone who eventually stiffs him, blocking out his time for that asshole....time which he would have otherwise used to get paid. Additionally, there is the unquantifiable but very real loss of future business she could have been building with paying customers who might have just met her and later become her regulars, had she not been having her time wasted by an asshole while other girls were dealing with the paying customers. It's like the broken window fallacy. The little vandal who threw a rock and broke a store window didn't just cost the store owner the price of a replacement window and labor to install it. He also cost the owner additional investment returns which the owner could have gained by using that window money to add stock, advertise, etc, for his store instead of spending it, effectively, on some prick out to have a good time on someone else's dime.
Food for thought...
Niceguy
03-08-2004, 10:24 AM
The regional differences in strip clubs rules and operating procedures are astounding. I wonder how many guys get in trouble thinking they know everything there is about a strip club and find out when traveling the rules are entirely different? I also wonder how many clubs and bouncers get in trouble with groups of guys who are traveling (and perhaps drunk) and the two groups (club security and groups of guys)
get in confrontations.
Well there are areas where clubs collect for dances up front, but don't really. There are areas where the market is collect after the dance, but the area is so bad (or customers) that the dancers collect up front.
There are areas where nobody knows what the rules are and each dancer has her own policy. The collection issues are somewhat related to club security and enforcement, although I never thought of it that way before now.
In Chicago, non payment of all types of debt and bills is considered a bad thing. Collection and retribution against customers is swift and
sure. Behavior in clubs by customers is generally pretty good, because the alternative for the customer is not pleasant. My experience in the southwest is similar. The standards of what is judged bad behavior in Texas is different than Chicago, but when the line is crossed the customer winds up being sometimes "thrown out." (I mean in the old physical sense not the legal niceties of being ordered off the premises.)
When I saw the staff in an Atlanta club throw a guy physically out the front door, I knew I had found my club away from home, because I knew order was being enforced inside the club. Atlanta was much more cordial and formally correct in discipline. They ususally just lined up some bouncers and the interloper would leave the premises peacefully but I liked it that they backed up their words with action against a real jerk.
All of these areas were pay for the dance after the end of the dance.
It's true that in New York state you paid in advance. While there I thought I had blundered into a bad club and bad area and left in about an hour, nor thinking that the entire market had this rule. Also the bouncers don't back up the girls in the NE. (Too many lawyers and lawsuits?)
Niceguy
03-08-2004, 10:06 PM
My recollection of Manhatten clubs dates from about 1997 or 1998.
The dances were pay after the dance, and bouncers seemed intimidating.
Have no actual observation on if they backed up the girls or not.
This thread seems to indicate that up state New York clubs put the dancers on collection by themselves. (See thread pages 1-3)
I guess its a question. Do the bouncers in the northeast back up the girls on collection matters and ejecting troublemakers or not?
Niceguy
05-14-2005, 05:33 PM
There are strong regional and city differences in payment up front versus
payment after the dance. Dance here refers to a table dance... and there are some clubs that don't have dances at the tables but have VIP areas. I recently hit a club where there were VIP some contact dances ina a VIP area but no table dances. In other clubs there are true VIP rooms.
I would think a VIP room is psoting a credit card which solves the payment problem. I liked to pay the girl myself however in cash but not the house.
Some have package deals and the house collects both fees.
What is being discussed on these threads is simple table dances and if they are paid in advance or after the dance. Obviously after about three dances the dancers would ask me for payment also.