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exotica17
02-25-2004, 05:24 AM
Topaz, are you the only person of color there? If not, have all the other people in the non-white group had the same problems as you? If so, then maybe it is a racial issue. If not, then maybe it is something to do with you? Are you confrontational or anything like that? Be sure to take an honest look at your performance at your job. As far as stripping goes, I think you could do it. Like I mentioned earlier, men don't prefer a woman of color as much as a Caucasian woman (hence, a lot of the hiring practices of clubs). BUT, BUT, for chrissakes that does not include ALL men! Variety is the spice of life, after all. It's not like a lot of clubs don't hire black women! They have to, or else who would cater to the men who do like black women? You seem very downtrodden, and I am very sorry, Topaz. :'( But you gotta pick your chin up! Think positive, sit up straight (works wonders), and get yourself a job as a stripper. We all know you want to be a part of the beautiful tribe of stripping, so why not just do it?!? Don't just mope around this board talking about it--do it! :dance: :bouncey: :dance:
seraya
02-25-2004, 10:40 AM
Like I mentioned earlier, men don't prefer a woman of color as much as a Caucasian woman (hence, a lot of the hiring practices of clubs). BUT, BUT, for chrissakes that does not include ALL men!
I think that whole " men prefer white women to black" is BS.... they just dont tell you that....and i'm not saying this because i am black, pls believe me. Men LOVE women period! Yes they have preferences but they also tend to fantasize about the kinda women they don't marry or take home to mama. To be honest i wouldn't be at all suprised if i found out that more men fantasized about ethnic i e. black, asian, indian, spanish women more than they did the blond hair, big boobs type of woman
Also i don't think that living in the UK makes it any different for me because London is definitely not like the rest of Europe. Folks here are alot more predudiced (sp) than you guys in the states, TRUST ME on that one!
Seraya.
Miss_Luscious
02-25-2004, 11:22 AM
Hmmm...I had to put my 2 cents in here. I am a black dancer. I worked at a mostly white club for my first year of dancing. I was usually the only black girl of 6-12 girls on the shift. Most of the customers were white. I had many customers come up to me and tell me that they loved my skin tone and the fact that I was black turned them on to me as opposed to the white dancers. I only had one or two times when a guy refused to tip me and I thought it was racially motivated. Being the only black girl made me a good money sometimes because I provided the variety that they wanted. I stood out. I have a customer that came to see me every single time I worked and even came to see me without fail when I switched to a black club. He's a white guy in his late 30's early 40's and he has money. He likes me because regardless of the fact that I'm black. He thinks I'm sexy which is really the most important thing. Topaz, You seem to be the typical angry black person who blames everything on rascism and white people and takes none of the blame on themselves. Your attitude on this topic already gives me an idea of how you are on the outside world. If that's how you act at work, I would fire you too. In truth, racism in this world happens all the time. But you can not just sit under a rock and grumble complaints. I think that the state of Blacks is a dire one indeed. We need to change lots of things within our familes and ourselves so that we can rise above the stereotypes that we constantly feed into. SC need to make money and the supply and demand idea is a very valid point. There weren't a lot ofwhite dancers at the black club I was at but it wasn't rascism, it was supply and demand. And for the record, most black men do not prefer white women over black women. They may date outside of their race but that doesn't meant that they have a preference, they just like to mix it up ever now and then. Most black men will marry black women, just as most white, asian, hispanic men will marry women of thier same race as well. A little mixing is good though. Hell, it someone hadn't gone outside their race sometime it the past, I sure as hell wouldn't be here ;).
hey topaz i think its time for you to find another job no use going to a job that you "dread" doing ........or maybe its time for you to skip town go to another city or state ..... travel a little get to know other people ...i think you ned a breath of fresh air ...where you live just seemed to be filled with tooo much black hatred i dont know where you live or work but i know for sure that i'm not gonna stay in a place where i know that the managers and co workers hate me and are threatening to get me fired
Topaz baby I feel your pain. Find another place to work and quickly. You are allowing these people to hurt you, and in order for it to change YOU must make it change. Others can and will deny that there is a racially motivated reason for your problems, but you've lived in yuor skin for a few years now and know your ass from your elbow. Stand up to the fools. Let them know that you won't take any of their b.s. and if you feel you can't maybe it's time for a new environment.
You can't give up on YOUR life. Bigots and racist will generally deny what they are - prefering to put the blame on the wronged party, and in the end try to make that person feel that they deserve the pain, but you don't deserve any of that.
Oh and I'd like to reiterate-- most men don't have a color preference for confident, happy, naked women--most of the punks are just afraid of what everyone else will say or think -- and if you ever work in a strip club you can bet that 1/2 of that hate will be coming directly from your white coworkers. Just don't ingest that b.s.
Be Strong, Be in Control, Get Happy.
Farrah_Holiday
02-25-2004, 01:39 PM
Oh and I'd like to reiterate-- most men don't have a color preference for confident, happy, naked women--most of the punks are just afraid of what everyone else will say or think -- and if you ever work in a strip club you can bet that 1/2 of that hate will be coming directly from your white coworkers. Just don't ingest that b.s.
Be Strong, Be in Control, Get Happy.
So TRUE Nina..
seraya
02-25-2004, 01:40 PM
Well said Nina! ( he hel Nina's actually my name).... i agree with you 100%
Seraya.
exotica17
02-25-2004, 02:55 PM
I think Topaz lives in TN. Topaz, I think you should also do as Cash says, and travel! Get out of that place! I also agree with Miss Luscious about complaining all the time about race and blaming everything on race. Not everything bad that happens to you happens because you are black. Sometimes, racial motivations may be involved, but not all the time. Just remember that there is beauty in every ethnicity, and there is ugliness in every ethnicity. So learn to love yourself. Also, maybe all the things that I have seen regarding preferences of men (and women) have been misunderstood by me. I hope they are just misunderstandings. Maybe the people who seem to not prefer women of color, in actuality do but are afraid of what others will think--that may be true. Well, if it is, that is really sad. You would think that people would have more of a backbone and be able to think for themselves. Oh, well, if they are that way then they have nothing to offer anyway. ;)
Mercury_Deep
02-25-2004, 03:35 PM
Topaz, from your last post, I get the feeling that you do not have enough variety in your life. This is the reason you fail to see past the color lines. I hope I'm wrong, but I can understand your situation if I'm right. I understand that in some places, people grow up in the world being taught to stick to their own kind and that certain things were ment for certain types of people. I grew up in a racist environment. It was everywhere; at home, at school, in the street, in music, on television, etc. In time, I developed my own prejudices and as a result I got sucked into the mindset of racism. I put all my bad expierences together and allowed them to become my negetive motivation. Everything was racial and it got so deep that I felt like I could only relate to "certain types" (i.e. certain races) of people.
Going away to college brought about an ugly confrontation with my beliefs. I went through an internal hell. I was out of my fishbowl and suffocating from all the diversity. I got the opportunity to live, work, study and party with people of all different races and cultures. I learned that there is no racial pyramid for anyone to be at the bottom of. I found art, science and philosophy, among other things. These taught me to open my mind and I learned to open my heart. I began to understand that I'm better off not buying into the hype.
Nowadays, inner peace is the most important thing to me. Racism does not give me inner peace so I choose to walk away from it every time. It's tough to have to deceide to not be friends with someone because of their racist beliefs, but I do it because a peaceful life is waaaaayyyyy more important. :peace:
(Just thought I'd share my story) :grouphug:
Flounder
02-25-2004, 04:10 PM
Wow just read this entire post and had to register just to comment.
Some really great comments/feedbacks on a very sensitive subject, I might have to check this forum more. Not even sure how I got here, hehe, was surfing for clubs in Austin and ended up here)
In any case seems like a lot of talk about what guys like without a guys view, hehe. Well I'm a guy who spends a lot of time in SC in Houston and here is what I like.
In a perfect world my preference is a smart, fun, tall, thin, real boobs, red head with freckles, the odds of a club having this are slim to none. Talk about hard to find. But what really attracts me is girls who have fun while working, like to enjoy a drink or two, act a bit crazy, those who don’t hustle too hard (hey I know you are there to make money just don’t forget we are people too) and those that even if they know they will not make money on you today still come by and are friendly and talk (these are the ones I usually come back for).
What I do is watch how a girl treats all the other customers (mainly the non paying ones) to determine if I want to ask her over or not. It’s easy to treat someone who is paying you well but the people who treat everyone well are the real finds. It's amazing how many girls will put on a good smile to ask a customer for company and put on a big frown when they turn around. This is the kiss of death for me, being fake is a total stay away sign.
I do not get dances from girls who are in a bad mood regardless of how good looking they are. I am there to relax and enjoy myself and I don't deal with negative attitudes.
Race is not an issue with me and most of my friends, I get many dances from blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, etc but the common denominator is they are confidant and having fun. I will pass up the best looking girl in a club because she is a snoob/negative/fake/etc any day to be with a cool girl. Girls who can make me laugh, look out.
Looks are important but attitude is just as much and in my case more so.
Well there you have one guys view.
Topaz I wish you luck
Flou
Well you live in Tennessee-- that explains a lot! (about the work situation)
I agree, the farther south you travel, the more racism there is. Now this is not to offend anyone who lives in the south. I have an experience and will share it right now.
I was born in NJ (north) and I have always been around different races, religions, whatever. I NEVER had a problem, actually two of my BEST, BEST friends are black. One has been my friend since preschool, and she is the best. The other one moved away but we keep in touch.
Anyway, I moved to FL a few years ago, to Tampa, and I was in high school at the time. SURE, not everyone is racist... BUT let me tell you how different things were. I am hispanic, but look european (family is from there) and when I went to school I noticed something very strange. The kids were all divided... The whites had their biggest group, the blacks had the second biggest and the hispanics were the smallest minority. I said to myself and my sister, "WTF?"
Anyway as the days went on I made a few white friends, and black friends. The hispanics didnt really talk to me, there werent enough, AND I "looked TOO white" to them.
I had classes were I was always making jokes, and talking to a couple of the black girls and guys. They LOVED me. LOL I used to run in the halls and yell, "WHAT DA HELL?" (sounded funnier than the way its read) and every time they saw me, they would yell it, and we all got along.
White kids in FL were kind of shocked at this. But I swear to you all, I think I made a big difference in that school. I started making all kinds of friends and we all started to get along, and I totally believe it was because of me and a few others that there was a little bit more "peace" in school. I totallllly believe this.
I didnt see a reason to try and ignore someone if they were nice to me, or sweet, regardless of color.
It just sucks that the mentality doesnt not change in certain places.
My mother was fired from her bank in FL a few years ago because for Halloween, she dressed like a redneck. She didnt know it was goingto offend anyone. Being Hispanic and not looking like it, she thought they would find it funny. She wore overalls, and blackened a tooth (Geez I still laugh) and they fired her a week later.
She was trying to ease the tension always at work, and instead she made it worse.
SO its hard for everyone. I hope that things get better Topaz.
p.s. they will ALWAYS use past problems at work. Just 2 days ago a girl skipped work and didnt call in. When she came in the next day, my manager told her, "Your on your way out. We spoke about this before" and she hadnt missed a booking in about 2 years, but she had been known to do it. So just do your work, and ignore them if they are assholes.
Ebony
02-26-2004, 08:09 AM
Topaz, as a fellow black dancer I have some advise for you that many others have given. If you have the ability to move to another state namely one that is not so backward with their thinking (Atlanta, NYC) you should. If you can't move then try working at another club.
Another thing, because there is always some level of reluctance for management to hire us (in any industry) we always have to go the extra mile. If it means getting a minor in Mathamatics to be better equipped to compete in the workforce so be it. If it means losing 10lbs and getting a makeover before auditioning so be it.
You don't know how many girls walk into clubs that I work at and say 'oh you should come with me and work at XYZ club in NYC or Vegas or Philadelphia'. Many non-minority dancers don't understand it's not that easy for us at times.
Just keep you head up girl and if worse comes to worse just take a break and regroup.
celeste_63
02-26-2004, 12:59 PM
I just wanted to point out something regarding this topic because I think a lot of people here are relying VERY heavily on assumptions and stereotypes.
Don't think you can tell the ethnic background of someone by looking at them. I, for instance, am blonde, with hazel eyes and freckles, but am actually 1/2 Brazilian. Not that this validates me or makes me one of the "club," but I also have a history of dating minorities almost exclusively. I am not racist, do not see people in terms of color but in terms of how they present themselves and how they treat me.
I was accused of being racist exactly one time in my life. I was working in a customer-service related job (non-SC), and a patron was being extremely rude to me. Finally I just ignored her while I finished my job. She asked to speak to my manager and told him I was being rude to her because she was black. I was tempted to say: "No I was being rude because you are a bitch." But I just kept my mouth shut. Luckily I had worked there for a few years, was highly regarded by the other staff, so my manager had my back. Unfortunately she started calling him racist, too.
I have always been a pretty friendly person, but after that I started making an extra effort to smile at people of other ethnic backgrounds who came into my work. But then I heard that can be considered a form of racism as well, because it is still technically treating people a certain way based on how they look. I thought: I can't win!
Now I just try to smile at EVERY damn person, black, white, brown, yellow, purple, green, striped, polka-dotted, whatever. There are infinite shades of skin color, and they are all beautiful.
I was born in D.C. and have lived in Mass. & Georgia. I've driven cross-country a couple of times and travel a lot for pleasure and business (not dance related).
I've noticed that racism is omnipresent but that everyone thinks it's everyone elses problem.
Southerners think that Northerner's are closet racist and that in the South the blacks like and appreciate the Southern form af racism.
Northerners like to portray Southerners as barbaric uneducated bigots while they view themselves as blind to race, but class and education conscious-- while denying the fact that many of the political and social programs are just smokescreens for racial inequity.
Westeners claim to love all -- unless you aren't blond or cookie-cutter beautiful.
Live in the Mid West--well they generally have no problem letting you know that they don't like anybody!
Blacks the lower, middle, upper classes, the educated and uneducated, the poor and wealthy priviledged and underprivileged,
American born or recent immigrants--only like you if you fit into the same "category " as they do--otherwise you aren't authentic.
New immigrant populations who haven't been inducted into "whiteness" tend to align themselves with blacks until they gain their white pass.
Have you ever found yourself saying any of these things? (Of course you didn't mean it to be offensive) http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
I say screw 'em all! I will live my life exactly as I want. You will give me your money. I will not tolerate any crap from you. I promise you all of the love and acceptance that is in me until you prove yourself unworthy of it.
Sometimes we think someone is giving us negativity because of our color and sometimes people want to deny that they are being negative because of someone's color. Humans are just hateful, loving, multifaceted nonsensical creatures and in the midst of all that there is a need to connect. Once you find that grain of a persons being all of the outside stuff melts away.
We are the world we are the children! Okay now I'm going to go do something frivolous like shoe shopping.
I just wanted to point out something regarding this topic because I think a lot of people here are relying VERY heavily on assumptions and stereotypes.
Don't think you can tell the ethnic background of someone by looking at them. I, for instance, am blonde, with hazel eyes and freckles, but am actually 1/2 Brazilian. Not that this validates me or makes me one of the "club," but I also have a history of dating minorities almost exclusively. I am not racist, do not see people in terms of color but in terms of how they present themselves and how they treat me.
I was accused of being racist exactly one time in my life. I was working in a customer-service related job (non-SC), and a patron was being extremely rude to me. Finally I just ignored her while I finished my job. She asked to speak to my manager and told him I was being rude to her because she was black. I was tempted to say: "No I was being rude because you are a bitch." But I just kept my mouth shut. Luckily I had worked there for a few years, was highly regarded by the other staff, so my manager had my back. Unfortunately she started calling him racist, too.
I have always been a pretty friendly person, but after that I started making an extra effort to smile at people of other ethnic backgrounds who came into my work. But then I heard that can be considered a form of racism as well, because it is still technically treating people a certain way based on how they look. I thought: I can't win!
Now I just try to smile at EVERY damn person, black, white, brown, yellow, purple, green, striped, polka-dotted, whatever. There are infinite shades of skin color, and they are all beautiful.
I agree.
Nina,
I know what you mean about people trying to think its everyone else's problem... but the truth was that when I lived in the North (yes there are racists everywhere) it was less obvious and no one seemed to have gotten any grief from speaking to others. In the south, at first, it was "frowned" upon when I was making all the black friends I had considering I became quite popular in school ("She's the girl from Jersey with the cool clothes") lol
In the north, everyone had multi cultural friends and that was never, ever an issue.
That black site you mention...I didnt quite get it. It was kinda weird so I will have to check out the whole site. The reason I mentioned that I have a black best friend was not to sound like the typical person who says, "im not racist, I have a black best friend" was just to point out the obvious: that I love and care for my friend and dont even think of her color when I talk to her. Why would saying that be offensive to anyone? (unless of course it is always stated, like thats what makes her.) When I talk about her, I dont say that, but mentioned it here as this is about racism and what not...
Lexi, my last post wasn't directed at you. Just a counterpoint to some things. I've been writing book for the last 4 years on race in America and that post was from a few notes.
That site is one that must be viewed in it's entirety including the comments from other readers, and the picture pages, IMHO, in order to understand the artists purpose in composing it. I think reading through the entire (it's a quick read) site will also avoid a lot of WTF is this some kind of joke?? responses. The two artists who created the site are White.
Also fyi I seem to have multiple modifications to each post & it's because my nails are too long and my @$$ is too lazy to type slower or C & P into a spell checker.
As for the "I'm not a racist-my best friend is black", man that joke is older than my mom! I'm not saying I think you are a racist or anything else. It's just a funny comment because lots of racist have black children/husbands/wives/ baby's momma's and selves. That's one of the reasons there are so many shades of brown--racism doesn't stop because you love/like/lust after someone! ANyway unless you are black and have been hearing that your WHOLE life than it may not make any sense to you.
Again Lexi I'm not directing this at you -it's just general discourse
check out this site too.
http://www.rent-a-negro.com
Farrah_Holiday
02-27-2004, 09:54 AM
Nina that site was hilarious !!!
Nina,
I know it wasnt directed at me, but I figured since I said it in the post, I was probably lumped in with the best of them. Although, my friend alwayyyys says, "This is Lexi... the white girl" LOL I dont mind it at all cause its done in humor and sweet. Theres nothing bad about it though.
ALthough the site DID make me ask, "WTF??" There were times when the stuff was funny cause the white people looked pretty stupid trying to "raise the roof" and all that. In some of teh pictures, you can tell the black woman is probably thinking, "These two are morons" LOL
Ok, now that other site...rent-a-negro. ??? Thats really odd, but its funny in a way. I am torn? I mean, is this for REAL? Is it a joke, or do people actually pay? "Touch her hair $25" ? LOL I mean, I...I am at a loss for words, and I am usually not one to! $75 per call to ask for a black opinion? lol
Im still gonna keep checking it out before I have my final say. wow
Farrah_Holiday
02-27-2004, 12:27 PM
I thought these item were great..I am going to purchase a "Hello my race is ______shirt "
http://www.cafeshops.com/r_a_n/204499
http://www.cafeshops.com/r_a_n/204496
http://www.cafeshops.com/r_a_n/204492
celeste_63
02-27-2004, 02:50 PM
In high school I was friends with this girl who was an exotic mix of African, Irish, Cuban, & Brazilian. One day someone asked: "What race are you?"
She replied: "The human race."
I like that answer :yes:
celeste, very cool answer... hehhe
Tonya
02-27-2004, 04:17 PM
Lexi the rent-a-negro site is a joke. The creator is a peformance artist. http://damaliayo.com/
I don't feel like race has been an issue for me dancing, to the extent that other black dacners say it is. I know it's there, but most people assume I'm bi-racial. I've had customers argue with me and insist that I must be something else, besides black, but I'm not.
In other jobs and job interviews I feel that race has been much more of an issue than dancing.
In my personal life white men hit on me way more often than black men. Maybe it's because I live in NJ.
I still feel that the hiring practices in most clubs are supply and demand, based on the preferences of the customers. Let's say a club hired in manhattan hired 10 black dancers, then instead of 2-3 black dancers making about the same or more than white dancers. The 10 black dancers would be spliting the same amount of money, making significantly less than the other dancers in the club. I see it the same as if a club hired 10 beautiful redheads. Stripclubs are fantasy enviroments. Not everyone prefers redheads, no matter how beautiful. Clubs keep track of dancers earnings. If they see that type x girls are making way more than type y girls. They are going to hire more x types and wean out y types. Most clubs think in green, not black and white. I'd rather accept the reality of my location and work with it, instead of complaining. There is a place for everyone.
Did we scare Stacy away?
Zabrina
02-27-2004, 05:31 PM
If that manager hired according to his own preferences then he's just an idiot. A customer who walks into a club to see nothing but blondes will likely be disapointed and go elsewhere. A few guys might think they died and went to heaven, but they are a minority.
As for the black dancer issue, I think that guys like beautiful, sexy women. The problem is that there are so many issues causing so much anxiety, it's just easier to go with the white girl. If a white guy sees two hotties at the bar, one black, one white --he will aproach the white girl because it's just easier. With the black girl he has to wonder, does she like white guys? Will people look? Will she care if people look? Will I say something to offend her? It takes alot to get over that, no matter how much he might be interested in her.
I think that in the dance club if the dancer is black, she may have to work a little harder, because she will have to approach the white customers because they may be nervous to approach her. But after getting over that hurdle the guys will be glad to spend money on a sexy black girl.
Sitara7817
02-27-2004, 05:51 PM
"As for the black dancer issue, I think that guys like beautiful, sexy women. The problem is that there are so many issues causing so much anxiety, it's just easier to go with the white girl. If a white guy sees two hotties at the bar, one black, one white --he will aproach the white girl because it's just easier. With the black girl he has to wonder, does she like white guys? Will people look? Will she care if people look? Will I say something to offend her? It takes alot to get over that, no matter how much he might be interested in her.
I think that in the dance club if the dancer is black, she may have to work a little harder, because she will have to approach the white customers because they may be nervous to approach her. But after getting over that hurdle the guys will be glad to spend money on a sexy black girl. "
I agree with you Mariah. I work at PEC and make incredible amounts of money. . . i make even more then the white girls. . . only a few have made more. . . but i always walk out of their with at least 1000 (after tip, hotel, trans). . . and i do the promos for the club. . . i just did a photo shoot for PEC"s artical in this mondays NY POST. . . i do have to go to the customers (with my cousin. . .doubleteam) more so then the "white" girls. . but i will never think that shes better then me. . . always belive in yourself because it will show by your movements and on your face. . . dont let anyone stop you. . . i never did. . .
I don't feel like race has been an issue for me dancing, to the extent that other black dacners say it is. I know it's there, but most people assume I'm bi-racial. I've had customers argue with me and insist that I must be something else, besides black, but I'm not.
Is this as annoying to you as it is to me--
Some people think it's a compliment like there is something wrong with being black and the possibility that i may be mixed somehow raises my worth. I'm like I'm black, black and black, with a little bit of black. Yeah I'm intelligent and pretty and self assured. Your ignorance is no indicator of the value of my race.
OR
I get the guys who wanna justify their lust for me by convincing themselves that I'm not just a regular black girl "come on you must be from the carribean, or you must be part asian or part latina or have a white grandparent " I'm like no babe just tons of gorgeous brown skin in my family--we killed all of the would- be rapists.
It's like their warped little minds have equated black with poor, ugly, stupid etc. for so long that they just cannot understand.
Tonya
03-02-2004, 09:30 AM
If you're annoyed it's your issue not mine. I never said I took it as a compliment to be thought of as mixed. I was relating my experiences and point of view, which seem to be different then other black dancers in this thread. As long as their money is green and they don't ask me to buck dance, I don't care what issues customers have with my race.
Exactly Tonya we could only speak from point of view or experience. That's is a great point.
Race is an issue when dancing. Especially in the clubs that have a better clientele.
As a black woman I don't like working in a club with too many of my kind working, for obvious reasons, but when I go in a club and see nothing but white women with maaaybe one "token" black or hispanic it really makes me angry. It is quite obvious that they disregard anyone but white girls in that scenario and NO ONE can tell me it is not due to prejudice.
This is a racist country because if it weren't there would be no ghettos and our govt officials would make it a priority for blacks and hispanics to learn in school at the same level whites do.
Nina has made some excellent comments and hats off to her for being so wise and intelligent.
The problem is that whites own the majority of the clubs with decent income potential and when black people do own a club or any business so many blacks are out to impress whites and prove themselves to whites that they forget where they came from and who they are. other ethnic groups aren't like that. That is because as blacks we were born here in the US and all of our ancestors for years back were born here so we really have no other country to relate to. Other ethnic groups for the most part in their immediate family or no farther back than their grandparents are from outside the US.
A black manager in Phoenix at one of the better clubs several years ago told me he had 40 girls on his shift, yet the one black girl he had no longer worked there. And she was one of the top selling dancers. The customers were egging him on to hire me. he was afraid that his white owner would diss him for hiring his own kind. I hate black bastards like that. They diss their own race to advance in the white circles.
In another club in the same city a hispanic manager who was new said he just got his foot in the door and did not want to hire me just yet because he didn't know if he would get shit for hiring a black girl when he was new. I told him I grew up in Memphis and he knew Steve Cooper who owns most of the clubs there including the Christie's chain.
I worked for Steve Cooper years ago and he is a true bigot. I was one of the few black girls he let work for him. In meetings he would tell the white dancers that they were selling themselves out if they ever danced for a black man.
Another ex club owner in Memphis, Danny who owned clubs there which are boarded up now as he was arrested for federal drug charges and pandering and pimping, I worked for. As a black dancer, my house fee was higher than the white girls. The white girls could come to work later too.
I am an easy going person and everyone here that knows me knows that. I get along well with the customers and most clubowners once I am hired like me. But getting hired is an issue.
For white and ethnic dancers training is important. Just like Dancer Wealth says race means nothing, but the girls need to be taught how to interact with the customers and how to sell. An attractive hispanic or black dancer can match or exceed the sales of a white one with proper training and knowledge on how to wear her hair, makeup and choice of costumes.
Many white dancers are not from the right side of the tracks but since they are white get hired in herds to work in better clubs and they don't even know how to communicate with the customers and work the floor.
Club owners and managers DON'T know the right mix of white vs. ethnic dancers. They just hire what they like and you know it. How well a dancer is trained will determine how well she does in the club. I'm not saying that 75% the girls in a club should be ethnic, but about 1/3 should be in any club. IF all of these girls are trained, most of them will achieve similar results in selling dances and making the customers feel comfortable with them.
Training is what is lacking for dancers. EVERY dancer needs training comparable to the Dancer Wealth seminar. This white is right attitude is got to go. Some of the white dancers I see in better clubs don't even have a pretty face, their hair is too short, and too large of a proportion of them is young. Many of the customers whom the better clubs are targeting would like more dancers over 30 whom they can communicate at a different level with but the managers bring in a busload of college aged white girls and one token mexican, asian, and black. Whenever I see 2 young white dancers trailing around together on the floor, it makes me sick. Those girls couldn't sell water to a thirsty guy and are truly lost. But they get hired over an attractive experienced dancer of color. Those types of girls should attend a dance seminar before working in a club and should start out in a small neighborhood place.
So who are we fooling here that clubs know what their customers want. Customers want variety. Houston has the most racially diverse mix of dancers in high end clubs of any major city I have been in. And that only happened several years ago after the business slowed down.
Don't get me wrong ladies, but if you are white, you guys expect to be hired everywhere you go.
Many major cities now have large ethnic populations. If you live and work in one of them, look around your club. Do you see as many hispanic and black dancers as you see at the malls or in Wal-Mart? If you don't, something smells really bad like racism in your workplace. How would you feel if it was you who was discriminated against?
Most girls who are somewhat attractive can be "groomed" to work in a nice club. There are enough attractive and polished hispanic, black and asian dancers in every city,if the owners and managers REALLY wanted to have a racially diverse environment, aren't there? :-\
brendalee
04-26-2004, 04:22 AM
Tapoz sweetie, I feel for you. I am too an african american female. I was a dancer before and was hired at clubs. I never worked at the top clubs I wanted to, but work at second best clubs. The top clubs in my state only offer black girls days. I chose to work second best because nights work for me. I know for me that I made more than 60 percent of the white girls at my club. I also knew that I wouldn't make as much as barbie playboy model types. I made money and I was happy. I got so many no's than yes, but yeses got the best dance ever. Black girls have to work extra hard in everything, period. I think strip clubs kinda of tell you alot about society and how are black girls portrayed as invisible. On the other hand I think it takes a certain type of black girl to make alot of money in this business. I am not talking about bi-racial or beyonce, janet jackson look alikes. I am talking about a girl who is well spoken and just ozoozes sophitication and class. I think most importantly you need to honestly love yourself and know you have the greatest gift, a mind. Nobody owes you anything except yourself. Nobone wants to get a dance from a girl who is bitchy and has a chip on there shoulders. It reminds the guys to much of the wives they left at home. When you find peace an enternal strength and outside glow will delvop that nothing can break. Y
Malibu
04-26-2004, 06:15 AM
Tapoz sweetie, I feel for you. I am too an african american female. I was a dancer before and was hired at clubs. I never worked at the top clubs I wanted to, but work at second best clubs. The top clubs in my state only offer black girls days. I chose to work second best because nights work for me. I know for me that I made more than 60 percent of the white girls at my club. I also knew that I wouldn't make as much as barbie playboy model types. I made money and I was happy. I got so many no's than yes, but yeses got the best dance ever. Black girls have to work extra hard in everything, period. I think strip clubs kinda of tell you alot about society and how are black girls portrayed as invisible. On the other hand I think it takes a certain type of black girl to make alot of money in this business. I am not talking about bi-racial or beyonce, janet jackson look alikes. I am talking about a girl who is well spoken and just ozoozes sophitication and class. I think most importantly you need to honestly love yourself and know you have the greatest gift, a mind. Nobody owes you anything except yourself. Nobone wants to get a dance from a girl who is bitchy and has a chip on there shoulders. It reminds the guys to much of the wives they left at home. When you find peace an enternal strength and outside glow will delvop that nothing can break. Y
I say amen to that! :highfive:
abadvi
04-26-2004, 09:22 PM
Okay, say clubs really are just using good business sense by hiring the most 'in-demand model' of woman, ie white girls.
doesn't it seem like it could be a big fat dose of culturally-reinforced RACISM that makes the guys only want white girls in the first place?
AngelEyezXYZ
04-26-2004, 11:57 PM
I don't know but I've encountered SO much racism it isn't even funny... I work at a black club now and daily I get "you sound like a white girl, where u from?" The white guys who come in act surprised when they talk to me sometimes. I went to audition at a white club about a year ago and they said "we don't usually hire black girls but you will be good"... it goes on and on, but I think somebody said earlier that you can't let anything like that bother you. Just make your money, do your job, and go home... tomorrow is another day.
jennworthington
04-29-2004, 01:35 AM
Have any of you seen the "real sex" episode where an all black club (with a sweet older white lady owner) bust their ass and do burlesqe shows? I think the club is in DC. The same woman runs the "Miss Nude Black Entertainer" or something, pageant that is also on a real sex episode. They talk about Mae West and Marlene Deitrich. I was cheering them on and yelling "I want to work THERE!" The girls love the owner and she goes out of her way to make her club fun and give the girls something to be proud of :) There's a girl named "Entice" Who kicks butt!
jennworthington
04-29-2004, 01:36 AM
Have any of you seen the "real sex" episode where an all black club (with a sweet older white lady owner) bust their ass and do burlesqe shows? I think the club is in DC. The same woman runs the "Miss Nude Black Entertainer" or something, pageant that is also on a real sex episode. They talk about Mae West and Marlene Deitrich. I was cheering them on and yelling "I want to work THERE!" The girls love the owner and she goes out of her way to make her club fun and give the girls something to be proud of :) There's a girl named "Entice" Who kicks butt!
oops, my point is, no matter what color you are you can rock the stage :)
I saw that show. If club owners/managers would take interest in the dancers by coaching and grooming them like the lady running that club does, the entire club business would be better.
But most big club managers/owners are assholes and don't care. They hire girls like they are cattle and have a white is right attitude. They don't have the racial openess that I see on SW from you guys. The better the club the worse their attitude is and the greedier they are.
It's no wonder good customers are saying fuck it to strip clubs more often now.
chrissy
04-29-2004, 08:33 AM
I have worked at Scores and PEC and the black girls are always making money- the white business guys love them!!!
jennworthington
04-29-2004, 12:28 PM
One of the nice things about the web is that you have no color........ I admit that I grew up in a red neck town that had maybe 3 or 4 black families, so I never noticed racism at all. When I went to NY I met a lot of cool black girls. I've met a lot of cool girls here on SW and half the time I dont know what race they are. I like that! People are people :)
exoticdancerwear
04-29-2004, 11:19 PM
LOL. Racism is the #1 problem in the united states of america. #1. I'm located in the industrial midwest. We know alll about supply and demand out here.
lalalatina
05-05-2004, 12:53 PM
I'm a hispanic woman (caramel complexion) who works at a NYC club and a our house mom hired a beautiful black girl one night. The owner came in later that night,and saw her and said "What the fuck is this nigger doing here? Fire her!" So the house mom came and told her that they were "downsizing". Meanwhile, the 2 fat blondes that were hired the same day stayed. It happens. My other friend who works with me is black, and she had said that our club is the most racist she has ever worked in, as far as customer comments are concerned. We approached a guy to speak to him and his friend and immediately he blurted out "I saw janet Jackson on the superbowl and now I'm scarred for life." It happens, period. That was the first racist comment I've heard in my entire stripping career.
bambi69
05-05-2004, 08:53 PM
I have to say that I can't win with the whole making money thing with strip clubs. I have worked at mainly all white clubs in Chicago and a few in LA... I've tried working at "black" strip clubs, but the guys there seem to think I owe them something or just want to take me out and spend no $$$ for dances; or they think they're going to damm near get fucked for a lapdance. I've had a really hard time in the six years I've been dancing... could also be I need to take the dancerwealth classes? I've never been a "hustler" or an "in-your-face" dancer. I've tried to have good attitude, stay in decent shape, converse skills, etc. The racism thing is always going to be a factor for ethnic ladies in the strip club biz... there is great money in the bigger cities, but I think that we'll always have to work a little bit harder.
I posted a topic once about where should a black girl work... interesting comments.
FoxxeeBrown
05-06-2004, 01:24 PM
I think that in the dance club if the dancer is black, she may have to work a little harder, because she will have to approach the white customers because they may be nervous to approach her.
I've found this to be very true, although I've had a hard time convincing some of my friends. It is frustrating, because I often feel like I have to break my neck to be more smiling, cheerful, and eager-to-please than the white dancers in my club. I can't afford to risk scaring and intimidating the customers...I guess in a sense I feel that I have to work that much harder.
Milion
05-06-2004, 05:01 PM
My few cents on the topic:
I'm a dancer of mixed race. When I first began dancing (about 3 years ago) I found it hard to get hired/ make money at predominantly white clubs. This was always a mystery to me because I'm attractive, pretty fit, intelligent, and well spoken. Now that I'm a little older (and I generally date white guys) I realize that:
1) I'm a lot more polished than I used to be. My make-up, and the way I dress is more mature and more attractive and elegant.
and
2) When I first started dancing I didn't really "like" white men. I had never dated one, never been attracted to one and they sort of seemed like from another world to me.
Now that I'm attracted to white men, it is much easier to make money off of them. lol! I have realized as I have grown that a man is a man, no matter what race and for the most part appreciate beauty no matter what skin tone it comes in. Now when I work in ANY type of club, I notice many men looking at me, not just a particular race.
Milion
05-06-2004, 05:03 PM
oh and I agree w/ Foxee Brown... if you are a Black girl in a predominantly white club, often you do have to work harder and deal w/ excess bullshit from club employess and other dancers.
But if the money ur making is worth the hassle, MAKE IT GIRL! lol
Farrah_Holiday
05-06-2004, 06:58 PM
My few cents on the topic:
I'm a dancer of mixed race. When I first began dancing (about 3 years ago) I found it hard to get hired/ make money at predominantly white clubs. This was always a mystery to me because I'm attractive, pretty fit, intelligent, and well spoken. Now that I'm a little older (and I generally date white guys) I realize that:
1) I'm a lot more polished than I used to be. My make-up, and the way I dress is more mature and more attractive and elegant.
and
2) When I first started dancing I didn't really "like" white men. I had never dated one, never been attracted to one and they sort of seemed like from another world to me.
Now that I'm attracted to white men, it is much easier to make money off of them. lol! I have realized as I have grown that a man is a man, no matter what race and for the most part appreciate beauty no matter what skin tone it comes in. Now when I work in ANY type of club, I notice many men looking at me, not just a particular race.
What a great post ! :highfive:
Ebony
05-06-2004, 09:39 PM
I'm a hispanic woman (caramel complexion) who works at a NYC club and a our house mom hired a beautiful black girl one night. The owner came in later that night,and saw her and said "What the fuck is this nigger doing here? Fire her!" So the house mom came and told her that they were "downsizing". Meanwhile, the 2 fat blondes that were hired the same day stayed. It happens. My other friend who works with me is black, and she had said that our club is the most racist she has ever worked in, as far as customer comments are concerned.
I would love to know what club this is so I can steer far from it. It probably is Privelege right? I had an incident thery about 2 years ago.
I am a black dancer and yes racism does occur. I am a very inquisitive person and always ask managers why they don't hire more black dancers. Some of the response will suprise you.
1) Black dancers are trouble makers (steal, cause beef, are late, etc.)
2) Black dancers don't take care of their bodies (hair, shave, workout)
3) Black dancers will 'ghettofy' (is that a word ? :P) a club
4) Too many black dancers will bring too many black customers who are grabby, cheap, and scare off white customers.
5) Most black dancers are unattractive to white customers
But according to them I'm not like "other" black dancers since I am of West Indian decent WHOA. That whole ghetto dancer stigma is all some managers see when a black dancer walks in.
Sucks really but guess what I don't let all that crap stop me. Once I get past the hard part which is convincing managment to hire me, I can work my magic on any customer. Yes 'we' do have to work harder than 'other' dancers but if you are smart even if you are the token black girl you can make a ton of money off customers who love black women. It's almost like a fetish with some guys they scour clubs looking for 'Hot Chocolate' (I hate that term) and when they find you they stick especially because the clubs with alot of black dancers may be in part of town they don't want to go with their luxury sedans. This is the case in New Jersey and it is probably the same in NYC. Customers like these are similar to those who love Asian women. In most clubs that I have seen there is like one or two Asian girls and most cultivate a string of very loyal customers who come in just to see them. Not a bad rap if you ask me if you know who to work it.
Milion
05-06-2004, 10:46 PM
What a great post ! :highfive:
aww thank you hun! :)
lalalatina
05-09-2004, 02:32 AM
I would love to know what club this is so I can steer far from it. It probably is Privelege right? I had an incident thery about 2 years ago.
Yep, I work at Priviledge, and I'm leaving this joint. Ebony, where do you work at ? This place disgusts me. My other friend, works a 4 day schedule ( I work 3 because I'm at school) and she was feeling burnt out so she asked the owner if she couls work 3 days for a couple of months. He told her she had to add $50 extra on her house fee to work the 3 day shift. meanwhile, there are so many other girls who are taking advantage left and right, but since my friend is black, she has to cough up more money to work.