View Full Version : Admonish customers?
Karman
12-29-2004, 01:21 PM
I have a favorite line for this type of thing,
This is NOT cable t.v. where you pay a basic fee to sit and stare, It's PAY-PER-VIEW!!!
Even if customers don't buy lapdances at all that particuler night, at least show appreciation by tipping the girls on stage.
tearstearstears
12-29-2004, 01:21 PM
Bookstore. Great analogy!
From: http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/index.html
This poor horse has been beaten a slow miserable death so many times that it's not even fun anymore without anyone convincing anyone of anything.
If I walk on to a car lot because I like to roam around the new cars, and, although I don't, I might, I think that I'm doing what is available to me as a potential customer and, even when I actually shop for a car, I don't buy everyone that I look at or even one everytime I walk onto a lot. That's inspite of the salesperson wishing I would or assuming I should, even if they think I'm a jerk because I don't. Even if they make up really good stories about how sick their spouse is, etc and assume that the stories make me more obligated to buy a car.
And while the dancer is not a retal product, the dance is a retail servicce that's being sold, just as the car salesman is not the product, but the car. Until there is a 2 dance minimum or some such thing, buying the dances after entering the club remains a choice of how or whether to allocate those scarce resources.
The dancer's choice is how or whether to allocate her time. Just as a car salesman might want to keep you locked up in on of his hateful little white rooms for hours on end, a dancer may choose to stay with a customer for as long as it takes her to make the sale or give up. She can choose to ignore the ones who have a history of not buying.
As has so often been pointed out, feelings, beliefs, wishes, and expectations aren't really part of the equation.
When you go to a strip club you dont peruse the place looking for a stripper to test drive and eventually take home to enjoy and get some wear out of. Unlike wandering around a car lot people actually do get entertained and get pleasure just by watching a girl up on stage. Therefore you cant compare visiting a strip club to visiting a car lot or even a book shop (it was the best analogy i could come up with as far as retail goes proving once again that you cant compare a strip club to retail outlets because it's so not even near the same thing).
Evan_essence's analogy with the sample table is probably the best one yet.
Paris
12-29-2004, 01:55 PM
This one is very easy to deal with. If the customer is type who is trying to "get back" at those money grubbing dancers, get everyone into the act.
Tip the DJ to roast him. Tip the bouncer to block his view while you are on the stage, and tip the waitress to NOT bring him his drinks. Then he will take his non tipping self out of the club and make space for a customer who will spend!
Sure, you will have to put a little money out up front, but the laugh you get out of this situation will be well worth the expense ;D
UncleSpace
12-29-2004, 04:11 PM
stray thoughts from a casual customer - i'm bettin that a lot of your customers don't know the basic dancer/income thing. They may not even know about tipping. Admonishing them just let's them know that you are 'only interested in the money'. And THAT is the last thing you want to broadcast to your clientele - you guys are supposed to fulfill a fantasy - if only for a few minutes.
The semi-regulars that seldom tip? - they're either cheap or waiting for another dancer.
Admonishing them is a waste of YOUR time - and it gives them your time and attention for free. It makes more sense for you to spend your time with guys who do tip and dance.
But... why on earth would a dancer admonish a customer? The customers came IN to get away from someone who admonishes them! So say he says "I don't believe in tipping the dancers." What's wrong with turning it around? "Gee... That's a shame... You seem really fun, but I can't afford to sit here for free... Gotta go!" Make them want to tip.
bikinigirl04
12-29-2004, 04:59 PM
of course you do not have to tip or spend anything other than cover and drinks, if there is even a minimum drink charge. but if you don't (on a regular basis) simply because you don't have to, you are just an asshole. sorry but thats the way i see it.
i probably would've handled it almost the same way, or maybe said, "you're right. i don't get a paycheck,"etc. ect. etc. , if i was in the mood to try to play games and see if i could sell him a dance. but i find i can make plenty from the guys who are just there to hang out and have fun, not get all philosophical on me.
there are always a couple of cheap guys in any night. of course that sucks. but what sucks is when you have nights where everyone is cheap!! aagghh i hate that. there is nobody to move on to! each one is worse than the next. and you know its not you because nobody is making any money.
i would've probably done the same as crescentluna, except instead of "isn't that the point" i might've said,"yes, we are here to get you all aroused...." or something. i wouldn't spend too much time with him. a lot of guys like this, i make sure to ignore them as i go around thanking and giving attention to the people who tip me. i still smile and say "hi, having a good time?" when i see them but just not when i am making my "rounds." this works like a charm on repeat offenders. :)
edit: i don't think you are cheap if you don't tip me. i think you're cheap if you make make it a point not to tip me or anyone else, or to let everyone who tries to sell you something know that you aren't spending anything.
sumotek
12-30-2004, 12:18 AM
You go LiLith. I like the last phrase, it has a good catch to it. I see where you girls are coming from and I hate to see those customers. When I go to the regular club I like to see the guys/girls spending the cash on the dancers. That way all the dancers are happy and not stressing about how much they will take in that night. BUt for those cheap ass guys that only pay the door charge they should be put on the spot and let it be known by the other dancers and other customers that they have a cheap guy in the crowd and he has a smart ass attitude.
Thorn
12-30-2004, 12:47 AM
This one is very easy to deal with. If the customer is type who is trying to "get back" at those money grubbing dancers, get everyone into the act.
Tip the DJ to roast him. Tip the bouncer to block his view while you are on the stage, and tip the waitress to NOT bring him his drinks. Then he will take his non tipping self out of the club and make space for a customer who will spend!
Sure, you will have to put a little money out up front, but the laugh you get out of this situation will be well worth the expense ;D
Truly a very good idea. But be careful. If the club management finds out that a paying customer [and as far as the club is concerned he is a paying customer, let's be honest, they don't give a rat's ass if he contracts services with you are not.. only that he pays the door fee and orders drinks] has been driven out and may now be bad mouthing the club and they trace it back to you there could be repercussions involved.
Jenny
12-30-2004, 01:01 AM
People! We are not carnies, and we are not soap samples. For crying out loud. Just stop making analogies! You are making me crazy. There seems to be some disagreement about a basic issue that it would seem to me that we (dancers) get to decide - we are NOT giving away "free samples" of anything. It is NOT a trial subscription. Trust us. We would know if that was our intention. Unlike when you get Ivory Soap in the mail, we have not sat down in a marketing meeting and determined the cost benefit to sending our samples to, you know, not. What the club thinks we are doing, and for that matter what customers say we SHOULD be doing, is not our problem, anymore than our income is yours. Saying that our income is not your problem is true. We know that. We know that SO WELL. We also know that you have no legal obligation to spend anything in the club; you are free to buy a $5 beer and nurse it for 3 hours if you want. It doesn't change the fact that it is incredibly tacky, discourteous and (I shall use quotations marks here) "not done." As in, it is not how things are done. Just as you do not have to leave a tip for your waitress, but paying your exact bill and walking out is irretrievably rude. I don't think the problem is that girls are saying "You're here. Pay me." I think it is that they find it to be discourteous to the point of social unacceptability that people would come in to a labour intensive environment in which the employees work on commission with the specific intention of NOT spending money. If we really want to analogize here, it would be equivalent to going into a store, trying on clothes, being demanding and borderline rude to the salesperson while trying to grab her ass and then saying that you never intended to buy the damn shoes in the first place, but still wanting to take the little sockies. That is unacceptable behaviour. Because there is no policy against it does not rended it unoboxious.
That being said, I only admonish customers if I am in a bad mood - which has more to do with my self control than anything else. Under normal circumstances I pretty much immediately walk away.
Katrine
12-30-2004, 02:04 AM
I can't even read all of the posts pertaining to this thread, but I know that when a club advertising cheap-o incentives, they get cheap-o customers.
For example, yesterday my club has $2 steak and fries all day. At about noonish, I am the 3rd girl to go onstage, and the place is PACKED. I probably made $5 off of my stage. Why, because the cheapos come in for their steak, drink tap water, no cover, and don't even bother to tip the girls, even when they are right in front of the stage....
So the product/service that is being sold is not a solo effort by the dancer alone, it is a partnership with the club. If your place of contract is inviting all of those cheap bastards in and running out the spenders....there is only so much you can do, aside from going to another club. And in my area, ALL of the clubs have these types of deals......
pimpy718
12-30-2004, 04:56 AM
Who cares? What is up with all this damn strip club ettiquette? If he doesn't like u-he's a cheap bastard and can blow it out his ass, it's not that serious. Find someone else who will spend money because I don't care how SHITTY a night is-there is ALWAYS a guy in your club that wants to spend money on u and thinks ur hotter than all the other girls because ur just yourself. The problem is, you just have to find this guy.
And if a guy wants to talk shit-he can blow that out his ass a second time. Because he doesn't know me and I don't know him-so if he wants to be childish and say childish shit, I'll be the adult to walk away.
Tigerlilly
12-30-2004, 11:00 AM
DOOR FEES DO NOT COVER THE SHOW. DOOR FEES COVER BUILDING MAINTANCE, NOT THE SHOW.End of story.
Tips buy you stage shows and you can also buy private dances too.
If you don't tip the onstage dancer then you are stealing her services, just as if you buy the equipment to be able splice into a cable wire so you and dont pay for cable service.
Do you expect EVERY customer to tip EVERY dancer?
Pretty much, yes. A min. of $1 per dancer.
If a customer can't afford $1 per dancer on shift ( which is usualy about 25 dancers) then personally I think they should go elsewhere. If a customer can't afford to tip a single dollar per dancer then he simply just can not afford this particular form of entertainment and he should not be in the club to begin with.
But that isn't why most of the non tippers dont tip- they do it intentionaly to insult/harrass dancers and not because they cant afford to tip the dancers. They are intentionaly being assholes more often than not.
That's my :twocents: on the subject anyway.
Silverback
12-30-2004, 03:28 PM
You know, everytime this topic comes up, and there seem to be a lot of threads that degenerate in this direction, the same arguements get made and you can pretty much feel the anger and tension coming out of the monitor.:-\
But, the more I read this thread, the more it seems that there are two halves of two entirely different conversations being had. /:O
LauraLove
12-30-2004, 03:40 PM
I don't see why the argument here. Tipping is customary in a stripclub. Not tipping is rude.
The customer in the original post was being a jerk. She handled the situation just fine.
I don't see anything to be arguing about here.
I do however see some men posting repeatedly all the reasons they feel entitled to watch for free or rather the door fee; which BTW is a subject that Tiger is correct on and BigGreen is wrong about in reference to door fees and building maintenance and operation. Ask any manager or owner how much it costs to run(electric, water etc) and maintain the property and ask him the annual door take. The door fees will come up short of annual maintenance cost, except maybe if the club is a total dump or shack.
OK now, this is for all those defending the "free show":
No, we can't make you tip. That seems to be all you want to hear so there you go.
Happy now ::)
Glamazon
12-30-2004, 03:53 PM
Hmm. I wonder how a DJ would feel if at the end of a shift several dancers said they were not going to tip him a red cent because they didn't like the songs he played for them.
What if dancers said to the DJ: " I have figured out the secret to DJ's. Just dance to whatever they play and refuse to tip. I paid the house fee so that means I paid my fair share."
My guess is the DJ would feel just like dancers do when we don't get tipped for our services.
Ripped off.
That's the BEST analogy in this entire exhausting thread.
Pan Dah
12-30-2004, 04:01 PM
Bookstore. Great analogy!
From: http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/index.html
At Barnes & Noble, we believe a great bookstore does more than just sell books. That's why we welcome our customers to browse, read, chat, think, debate or simply relax with a cup of coffee in one of our over 600 super stores located across the country.
A fine policy phrased to seduce new customers with their friendly attitude.
Why don’t a few of you guys that see these other businesses as appropriate analogies and models for a strip club try a little scientific experiment to see how this policy works in practice.
Go to your local Barnes & Noble tomorrow.
Tell the clerk you would like to see the latest issue of Penthouse (I assume you still have to ask).
When you are given the issue, say “Thanks, I just want to check it out”.
Go over to one of their comfy reading chairs and sit there for four hours thumbing through the issue, paying special attention to the photo layouts and centerfold.
At the end of that time, take the magazine back to the clerk and thank them.
If asked if you would like to purchase the magazine, explain that you have figured out the way to use bookstores. The secret is to come and read all the books and magazines there and never actually buy anything. It saves you a lot of money.
Repeat the above sequence at intervals of your choice - daily, weekly, monthly, whatever.
Report back to this group on your results.
LauraLove
12-30-2004, 04:05 PM
Thankyou Panda ! I will be waiting to see how this experiment goes, LOL !
dafushpu
12-30-2004, 06:12 PM
the local club here is right in between 2 colleges. each one is about 15 minutes away. every single night that my former roommate watressed there these frat boys would come in with just enough cash for their cover and 5 bucks each for the bottle of liquor they brought in, if they were over 21. this is a brown bag club, buy all the beer you want but bring your own hard stuff (hehehe i think i made a joke there). anyway, these dorks sat away from the stage, never buying a single drink, never tipping a single dancer, and never getting a single dance. my roommate told me that one night the club owner walked over to them and told them that cinimax was cheeper and they should have spent their money that way and threw them out. now, its a regular occurance to see guys being asked to leave if they are there for about an hour or so and havent spent any money.
RedZ28
12-30-2004, 06:19 PM
What's the point of going to a strip club and not tipping or never getting any lapdances? It defeats the purpose of going in the first place.