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The_Kid
03-17-2004, 12:23 PM
Katrine- lie down, put a cold compress on your head and seriously consider taking courses in remedial
reading comprehension. Don't you think your arguments
might carry more weight if you dropped the name calling
and schoolyard ad hominem nonsense?
YES, we KNEW that dancer at PEC was doing her job.
It was O.K. with us if she wanted to sit, talk and drink with us. BUT none of us was obligated to buy a dance
from her. IF, IF one of us had invited her to sit with us
I can at least see the argument that by not buying a dance or two WE would be taking advantage or acting
unfairly. But no one invited her; she invited herself and that means to me she probably thought along these
lines ( or pretty close):" here's a table with 5 guys,
well dressed, drinking champagne- at least one of them will go for my routine & get dance". We presented her with a target rich envirionment. I can't answer for the others; but despite her pretty face, nice body & initially
pleasant personality- she really didn't do anything for me.I just didn't want to get a dance from her. That's
my right as a customer!BTW- A couple other dancers
had sat with us and struck out and they both got tipped. We would have done the same until she made
her ridiculous DEMAND followed by her nonsensical
threat to have us removed.That's the only reason I
told her to go copulate with herself. You don't have to
tell me it's a business or what a dancer's job is.I was
going to gentlemen's clubs before you hit puberty! I've
gone out with more dancers than you know.
Sitara- you've said it yourself- You're a "tease"; some might call you worse ( and in fact have on other bds.)
If you've latched on to guys lonely enough; gullible
enough; stupid enough to be your Sugar Daddy and
not get anything in return beyond a peck on the cheek-
Lucky You!- BUT not this white boy; thank you very much!

Sitara7817
03-17-2004, 12:29 PM
The kid- i think you equate a dancer with a prostitute. . . iam and WILL ALWAYS be a dancer. . . just because he buys me something does not mean i need to flop on my back. . . if he wanted a whore, he would have got one. . . thats not what he wanted. . . he wanted me. .

Melonie
03-18-2004, 04:48 AM
While the Kid is showing a bit too much north Jersey attitude to help his point come across, he has a point nonetheless. That point of course is that some dancers are not above using "deceptive business practices" to make a buck. In the case of the incident Kid describes, the dancer in question was very deceptive in regard to planting herself uninvited at Kid's table and then getting pissed off because she was not "compensated" for the time she spent there. In other cases those "deceptive business practices" might be much more serious, involving implied promises to customers that they just might receive 'more' from a dancer if only they keep spending enough money on her for a long enough time, with of course absolutely no intention on the part of the dancer to either deliver 'more' or to return the money.

The_Kid
03-18-2004, 10:44 AM
Melonie- When posters ( in fact, anyone ) is civil to me;
I try to be civil to them. If not; I give them back what they sent. Now as far as I'm concerned, the young lady
in question cut her own throat. I've been around too
long and know too many dancers too well to deliberately stiff anybody. There were other gals that
night that sat & drank with us and a couple got dances.
(None of us were stupid enough to waste $400 to$700
on a VIP). The others all got tipped.One ate dinner on us. By the end of the night we'd collectively dropped
well over a grand.I'm sorry,but I'm not going to give
a nickel to some pretentious brat who can't take a
polite "No, thank you " for an answer. I wouldn't pay
The Pet of the YEAR for just sitting and talking to me.
Every other dancer who got turned down that night
had no problem thanking us for our hospitality and
moving on. One of them even came back a couple of hrs. later just to "take a break" and chill out for a few minutes. I don't think it was our "attitude". And btw-I'm
not from North Jersey.
Sitara- I have NEVER called you that or tried to equate
what you you admit doing with prostitution.BUT it's
clear to me you ARE a user; BIG TIME! And I find it a
lttle bit difficult to believe that you collect all these
goodies w/o some dishonesty on your part somewhere
along the line. To me, I just can't see it unless you're
taking advantage of some real dummies who have no clue about the real world.

Esmerelda
03-18-2004, 11:14 AM
(None of us were stupid enough to waste $400 to$700
on a VIP).


The_Kid, I'm gonna have to interrupt. Plenty of men "waste" their money taking girls to VIP; that's how we make our living! They don't see it as a waste, they see it as (at least) 30 minutes of non-interrupted dacing/talking/grinding/drinking.

Miss George
03-18-2004, 01:42 PM
Kid, just beause you can't fathom spending oodles of money on nothing but company doens't mean that there aren't plenty of guys out there who do. The last night I worked, a guy who was entertaining clinets paid me $1000 to sit with him (out on the main floor, not in VIP) and keep him company. We talked, we drank, we had a good time. I helped to make sure his clients got the type of girls that were their preference. I didn't dance once. In fact, I wore a huge oversized Tshirt that the club sells as a promotion because I was cold.

He knew I wasn't going home with him. He made it very clear what he wanted-- company. I don't think this guy was stupid--he just liked me and wanted to make sure he had a good time while at the same time entertaining clients.

You're entitled to your opinion of what constitutes a good time and how much should be paid for it--and so is everyone else.

The_Kid
03-18-2004, 01:48 PM
Esmerelda- To ME, it's a stupid waste of money. I don't
speak for other guys. If that's what they want to do;
Fine! That's their business. Even if there were contact
in the VIP; I wouldn't pay that kind of money. If
"everything" was guaranteed to be available; maybe
BUT I'd have to have a major case of the hots for the
dancer involved.
From what I've seen and been told by dancer friends
that work these clubs; VIP's & champagne rooms in
Man. gown clubs are a joke- IMHO

The_Kid
03-18-2004, 02:13 PM
Miss George- Lucky You! Despite the apparent difficulties
in reading comprehension- Let me try to make sure I'm
being clearly understood. I don't blame you or any other
dancer for taking advantage of the opportunities
presented. If some guy wants to drop a grand on you
in exchange for the pleasure of your company and your
advice and counsel- GREAT! Good for you! Go Girl! That's
between you and him. Would I do it?-NO! Do I think he's
a sap?- Maybe not. You said he was there entertaining
clients and found your advice and assistance to be
valuable. If your help aided him in keeping a million
dollar client happy, then it was money well spent.
There are men who hire top of the line $1000 an hr.
escorts to keep them company w/o sex. It's rare; it's
atypical- but it happens on occasion. Some men find
it to be a pleasure worth paying for to be in the company of beautiful women. That's them, not me.
That's why I love the good old USA; it's still a mostly
free country- Mr. Asscroft notwithstanding. So what
other folks want to do is their business. The only time
what we've been talking about has and can impact me
is when I am literally EXPECTED to throw MY money around like confetti because other customers do so.
Now one dancer permitting contact or doing extras
certainly does not obligate her fellow dancers to do
likewise- Correct? Therefore, I as a customer have no
obligation to imitate what I would consider to be the foolish spending of other customers. Right?

Nina
03-18-2004, 11:58 PM
To all the ladies who are regularly making $1000 a night (or more), where and what club are you working in? Do the other girls make that kind of money too, or is it just the best looking/best hustler/whatever else?? I'd like to visit these high dollar clubs one day... Any advice on thier hiring practices? Anything else I should know?


Though this isn't a ladies only post, I'd love to hear more dancer responses to Mariah's original question. I plan to do a bit of travel this year and knowing specifics about high $$ clubs is obviously more appealing than playing hit-or-miss throughout the country.

So ladies if you have more advice I'd love to have it! Anything else is chocolate frosting on a steak IMHO.

Zabrina
03-19-2004, 01:57 AM
Though I am hesitant to believe anything that chic xxeyezxx ever said, she did once mention girls at the Lumberyard making hella bank. That place doesn't seem to be one of the snooty super upscale clubs where you never know if they will hire you are not. Has anyone ever worked there? How was it?

blondhottie
03-19-2004, 02:36 AM
I've never worked at the Lumberyard, but I've worked with a girl who has danced there. She said that it is definitely possible to earn $1000 or more a night. It doesn't always happen, but the potential is there, especially on the weekends. I've never been there, but I don't think it's hard to get hired there. The dancer I talked to who worked at the Lumberyard was cute, but not drop-dead gorgeous.

However, the club is pretty high-contact. During dances, customers are allowed to touch everything except your pussy. If you're comfortable with fairly high-contact dances, you could earn great money here, but if you prefer clubs with no touching, I'd skip this place. :)

Asphyxia
03-19-2004, 09:03 AM
I work in Minneapolis, and surprisingly, I know a lot of girls who describe this as a dancers' paradise. I worked at one "gown club" (Schiek's) where lots of girls took home $1000 a night.

Now, I work afternoons at a small nude club. I don't do VIPs (because there's no security in VIP during the day) and I still can make about $500 a day just dancing. The girls who do VIPs make much more. Minneapolis is really good, and mileage isn't that high! :)

doc-catfish
03-19-2004, 09:05 AM
Though I am hesitant to believe anything that chic xxeyezxx ever said, she did once mention girls at the Lumberyard making hella bank. That place doesn't seem to be one of the snooty super upscale clubs where you never know if they will hire you are not. Has anyone ever worked there? How was it?


I do want to point out that the Lumberyard is a fully nude BYOB establishment in Des Moines. That means you'll probably be dealing with plenty of nearly broke 18-20 year olds, and yes, as blondehottie mentioned, its super high contact.

While I haven't been there myself, (hopefully by year's end, I'll have a first hand account), I can say confidently that living in an area pretty much on the same scale economically as Iowa, that girls consistently making $1K a night at the LY are probably doing more than just dancing.
:eek:

Website: http://iwantwood.com/
http://www.stripclublist.com/c.asp?c=16432

On the upside, living expenses in Des Moines are dirt cheap. But truth be told your earnings potential is probably better in Dallas. Just my :twocents:.

The_Kid
03-19-2004, 09:50 AM
Miss George- You're right. IMHO- PEC is the pick of a bad
lot when it comes to Manhattan strip clubs. I only go there with friends or to entertain someone else. There's
no "chip" on my shoulder. I don't resent dancers trying
to sell me dances; that's their job AND I don't expect
them to provide a GFE or be an escort. In fact, the
incident I've previously described is the only negative
experience I ever had at PEC. I'm sorry, but when a
dancer invites herself to my table she's running the risk
of getting turned down.So when a spoiled brat starts
lecturing (and demanding) and literally saying:" You guys have to pay me; I didn't sit down here just to hang out; I want $20 from each of you right now or
I'll get the mgr" I'm going to tell her ( as I did) to go and
get the mgr. and while she's at it to go copulate with herself.
I just can't believe that a class act like yourself is going
to defend such a poor attitude and bad behavior by
a dancer. If she can't deal with the pressure of selling
enough dances to cover the $120 house fee AND tip-
outs then she should go back to checking coats or
selling shots. Just my humble opinion mind you.

NikkiD
03-22-2004, 08:19 AM
Of all the times I've worked in Vegas and made 4 digits in a night, it was BEFORE I paid my tremendously high house and tipped out.
I agree with Melonie, most girls taking that much home are not earning it from dancing!

Sydney107
03-22-2004, 08:45 AM
nikki i agree with u, i have worked in vegas and done well but alot of girls do alot of extras. where do u work now?

The_Kid
03-22-2004, 10:44 AM
Miss George- I had a feeling there may have been a
"reading" problem and I'm glad you now appreciate
what we were dealing with on the night in question.
In fact, ONE of the reasons I refuse to go back to Scores
for my occasional "high-class sojourns" is because I got
tired of dealing with all the nonsense there- more from
the "hosts" & bouncers than the dancers- to this day I
can't believe mgt. tolerates that kind of crude arrogance. I much prefer PEC. It is what it is but on
occasion I have need of a "high class' gentlemen's
club and PEC is the best one around. Everyone there has been friendly and considerate with one exception.
Unfortunately she still works there- maybe her attitude
has improved. I'm not going to bother giving her a second chance. I don't go there for "drama".

Pamela
03-22-2004, 11:24 AM
In all honesty i remember the $1000 nights very well. Sure they happened. Like everything else i see around me changing so are the strip clubs. Alot "not" for the better. Management has learned very well "extras" ladies will bring in customers, and repeat customers.

The club does not crash, the dancers do. So no sweat off the clubs ass. Oh....ok, a fine and doors open back up, no worry more dancers will apply.

Pamela

michele
03-22-2004, 01:38 PM
Well I worked in vegas and did average between 9-1200 while I was in town and my travel partner averaged about 200 more a night than myself.Why is it that other girls that cant mange 1000 plus a night think the other girls are doing more?I didnt see anyone doing any extras when I was there period,and we didnt even gring like most everyone else but still did well.I t depends again on the person being a great articulate husler to make this kind of money.Its made all over from dallas to new york to chicago and all around the country,you just have to have what it takes to earn that kind of money.

Tigerlilly
03-22-2004, 04:05 PM
Mariah as you know already $1000 nights are not uncommon at Scores .
There CT club called Elan's where you can make close to a grand in sometimes. And also I have had a few 1000 nights in FL clubs but average was more between 500-800.
Over $500 was commonplace at Cheetah in Atlanta year and half ago. And I've had a number of $1000 nightsat Mens Club in NC.
Also, Hilton Head SC can be lucrative as well.

Hope that helps !

Optimist
03-22-2004, 06:21 PM
Do any Myrtle Beach clubs qualify as $1,000 clubs? What's the range of money you can take home?

michele
03-22-2004, 06:59 PM
I worked at masters and crazy horse pure gold and definately if you are beautiful and a great conversationist and can hustle you can make 1000 a night.I never worked in the mist of golf season always right before or at the tail end but I averaged around 800-900.

Melonie
03-23-2004, 06:33 AM
In all honesty i remember the $1000 nights very well. Sure they happened. Like everything else i see around me changing so are the strip clubs. Alot "not" for the better. Management has learned very well "extras" ladies will bring in customers, and repeat customers.

The club does not crash, the dancers do. So no sweat off the clubs ass. Oh....ok, a fine and doors open back up, no worry more dancers will apply.

This is EXACTLY the point ! With the possible exception of the super-upscale "show clubs", the very nature of the strip club business has changed in response to the economic downturn of the last 3-4 years. In many cases the very nature of dancers has changed as well, as new girls come into the business accepting these changes (i.e. high mileage, "extras") as simply the way that the business IS today. New dancers today don't remember the "show business" days of the 90's, where it was possible to get hired in respectable clubs and earn extremely good money by simply dancing.

New dancers today also face the economic reality of the real world, where for many girls their available "straight job" options are limited to being a WalMart check out clerk or flipping burgers for $6-$7 an hour. While many of us would never consider for one second working in a club and having to provide "high mileage" in order to earn $500 a night or providing "extras" to earn $1000 a night, to new girls this may represent their ONLY option to earn big money - ten or twenty times the amount of money that any "straight job" available to them would provide.

You're also exactly right that many clubs now factor in the probability of the club being busted as just one more component in their profits/costs equation. While this has been a factor in small individually owned clubs for some time, it has now entered the corporate club mainstream i.e. Hustler/DejaVu - who actively use the principle of offering high mileage and stirring up legal trouble between local clubs and city government/cops as a business tool to get a "leg up" on the competition. Eventually, I have to believe that this will even impact earnings potential in the super upscale "show clubs".

The_Kid
03-23-2004, 08:30 AM
As usual, Melonie is correct. It's very difficult to put the
genie back in the bottle once it is out. Mileage and extras have become the norm; like it or not. I can
remember the days when a feature dancer could easily
get $1000 per night for 3 or 4 15 min. shows plus
hotel. Those days are pretty much over at any club that
has decent mileage and at least the implied availability
of extras- mgt. is drawing w/o the expense.
Goldfingers, Flashdancers, NY Dolls, Curves, Stiletto all
used to have features and no to low mileage. Not
anymore!!
A perfect case in point is Goldfinger's in Queens. Before
the zoning changes and 60/40 rule it was a successful;
fairly classy gentlemen's club.Reasonably priced; no contact at all; dancers were on average 8 to 8.5. Then
Rudy pushed through his zoning changes and the place
went to hell in a handbasket. Last time I was in there
it looked like a dump; there was contact in the VIP-
no extras AFAIK- but definitely contact & grinding and
the dancers were mostly 5+ to 7's. The place went
from being "Score's like" w/o the bs to a topless version
of Wiggles. Thank's Rudy.

Sydney107
03-23-2004, 02:22 PM
Optimist, I just got back from myrtle beach, worked at the Masters, never had a nite less than a $1000. hope that helps, try it there alot of golfers!

Tina
03-24-2004, 12:48 AM
Mariah's post seems to address earning $1000 a night AFTER tip outs CONSISTENTLY. AND, at clubs that are not overly nitpicky when it comes to hiring.

Being that you are in Austin I remember in 2001 seeing lots of middle aged men frequenting clubs alone 7 nights a week and spending money. Now you mention the clubs are slow except for weekends and weekend nights have an overabundance of 20 something customers in groups who are not into paying for company from dancers.

Most posts address girls who have had earnings near the $1000 amount working during special events and not week in and week out 5 days a week.

So Mariah if you are looking for clubs where you can NET $20,000 a month, that is iffy.

Have you considered taking the Dancer Wealth seminar? Maybe by following their selling techniques and wardrobe recommendations you can increas you earnings in Austin.

You know the clubs that have higher earnings POTENTIAL. and most clubs with high earnings POTENTIAL also yield nights just as bad as you experience in Austin.

Some of the Vegas clubs have that kind of POTENTIAL, but most are open 24 hours a day and also getting hired on a night shift is not a given IF the clubs are hiring when you pop into town.Somebody has to work the 5AM-1 and 1PM-9 shifts too and those are not the most lucrative. And club managers in Vegas are getting tired of dancers who only want to work when conventions are in town. I am in Vegas now and know that to be a fact.

The Lumberyard in Des Moines CAN have good earning potential but money in that town is iffy and not consistent.

In Vegas, good earnings POTENTIAL can be at Treasures, Sapphire, Crazy Horse II and even Olympic Garden and Cheetah, but the girls who are "in with mgmt" get the VIP customer hookup while the other girls have to work the floor. That is especially true at the 1st 2 clubs. And you may have to come to town for 3-4 weeks and work anywhere you can while trying to get hired at the best clubs ON the night shift. Plus summer is coming soon and things get slow.

You're aware of VIP in Chicago, scores and PEC in New York. A club like Flamingo in Lawrence Kansas can be very lucrative as middle aged guys pay dearly for some grinding and the girls have lots of regulars who have been there awhile. Ricks in Minneapolis during late spring and summer is good, but again when events are not downtown it can be slow.

Platinum Plus in Memphis can be good but lots of competition exists. Extremely busy club.I mentioned Prince Machiavelli in El Paso to you before. You could possibly do a lot BETTER than you do in Austin, but not average $1000 take home.

The Alaskan Bush Company in Anchorage AK is good from the end of May -September and you can have some good nights there. But each night varies as far as clientele. A multi-millionaire and his bodyguard gave me and another dancer friend of mine $2000 for a few dances and conversation one night, but of course EVERY night you won't make that but it may be a club to try over the summer.

Basically if you are able and willing to hit the highway and try out some of the clubs we all have mentioned I feel the best you will be able to do is find the clubs that offer you the HIGHEST net earnings (substantially higher than you net in Austin) and stick with those clubs.

You're not going to net $1000 per night 12 months of the year in NYC if you get hired.

Good luck in whatever path you decide to take.

Katrine
03-24-2004, 05:22 PM
The problem with earnings in Austin is that after high-tech/telecom markets went into the toilet, so did much of the "play" money for businessmen. They are still around, but many are unemployed, paying off overzealous mortgages from a financially freer time, or just plain pinching pennies..

The remaining Austin older male posse is primarily the politicos and academians, although there are many groups of potential customers still around. Because of all the media bullshit against stripclubs, many elected politicians can no longer even be seen in the parking lot of a club. Believe me, I know a local judge who had that problem.

Academics get paid very little unless they are in top tier of administration.

Self-employed people such as lawyers were great, but now so many people are working for the monoliths like Motorola and Applied Materials, where stability = drone-like existence.

We also have tons of young people, and tons of unemployment.

Business is still decent, but its going to take a while before anyone is going to average even $500 at any Austin clubs...and this is just my generalized view, there are exceptions to all of the above....

Meow!

blondhottie
03-30-2004, 03:22 PM
I've never made $1000 in one night of dancing, but I've never worked in a club that has a VIP room either. For those of you who are making $1000 a night, where does the majority of your money come from? Is it from doing VIP/champagne rooms, or is it from customers paying you to sit and talk with them? I would think it would be tough to make $1000 a night in a club that just does lap dances, unless you work a long shift or you pay to stay off stage.

michele
03-30-2004, 03:31 PM
Yes blonde hottie,it is much harder to make 1000 pluss a night in clubs were you dont have the advantage to earn 400,plus an hour in the vip room.It can be done in clubs that are high volume though,ones with seating capacity for around 500 people.When I went to vegas it waas exactly that way,I made 1000 plus a night ,but going table to table and dancing,not in vip at 400 a pop.I couldnt stand it 8 hour nights and all those dances,you definitely worked hard for your money.

sfx86
03-30-2004, 10:25 PM
I've watched several ladies in south Fla clubs make more than $1000 on a Friday night. Maybe not every night but on certainly on weekends. Two or three dancers made more than $1000 last Friday at Diamonds in West Palm.

snowflakebaby
04-27-2005, 02:58 AM
um I can not sit quiet any longer here...The Kid- please remember where you are. This is a board created for dancers. I don't think calling dancers users is going to sit well here. You should mind your p's and Q's a little better. Many girls can attest (I for one) to having a few customers who want nothing more than company. Just because you can't imagine a world where men appreciate women for something other than their sex organs doesn't mean others don't. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!1

Susan Wayward
04-27-2005, 09:48 AM
Don't worry, honey, he's long gone (just like this thread).

geraldine
07-05-2005, 05:04 PM
where are these clubs you worked at? masters and crazy horse pure gold ?

geraldine
07-05-2005, 05:07 PM
wow...does anyone know what time of year Masters or any other myrtle beach clubs are good? how about july/aug?

Pure
07-10-2005, 09:42 AM
For those in Vegas.... I often make 800- 1000 a night but it sometimes takes forever. Since Vegas clubs are open 24 hours I find myself working 10 hours and leaving with a grand. I don't mind because it's still a 100 an hour average and that's what I aim for and I like to think of it as "overtime" like in a regular job. If Vegas dancers are making this amount of $$, is this in a 4 hour ,8 hour, or all night shift???? Is there a I'll work until I make my goal mentality or I'm working 4 hours then I'm gone whether theres 200$ or 800$ in my pocket?

grinew127
07-10-2005, 09:56 AM
At one gig in Nevada (not Vegas or Rio) was the first time I made the triple zero. It was beyond belief. I went nearly ecsstatic with lust (for money). Made it several more times since then, but you always remeber your first. Ahh, what a rush!!!!

Reese
07-10-2005, 05:12 PM
Pure where are u working in Vegas? And i was wondering the same thing u can make a $1000 alot of places just depends on how long u might want to work!

pipermarau
04-27-2006, 08:23 PM
i must say *as a club house dancer* the dirtyness has gone down a bit. since vinnie gave up his share the owners and flood of new management have really updated the place. i make excellent money there now. i did quit when it went bad but after a year things began to look up and i went back to work for them. its pretty low contact and the house fees are not too horrible. i live two hours away east and its worth the trip for me.

World Dancer
05-17-2006, 03:45 PM
I used to see Pantera in the Men's Club of Dallas all the time. No, it is not a $1000 a night club.