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LapOfLuxury
03-20-2004, 01:40 PM
We aren't in this to spread goodwill. We strip for money.


When you buy something, those that get your money are in it for the money, too. But you wouldn't appreciate it if they encouraged false expectations about what you are getting for your money.

On the contrary, strip clubs sell nothing but false expectations and hopes. As someone once aptly said, if there were a sign in large bold print at the front door saying "You will never EVER have the remotest chance with ANY of these women. No, not ever." then the dancers wouldn't make any money.



Not true. For instance, I've spent plenty of money on dancers I knew to be married. Some dancers give dances that are actually worth the money. I do my repeat business with dancers who give me an IN CLUB experience that's worth the money. There is no need for any false hopes to be part of the package.

In a LOT of years of strip clubbing, only one dancer has ever tried to create the impression that she had romantic interest in me. I politely declined her proposition (of dinner after she got off work) and never spent another dime on her. I was skeptical of her sincerity.

I understand your point applies to SOME customers.



High-minded ethics are wasted on johns posing as customers.




Sometimes. But they aren't wasted on YOU. Self-respect is a good thing.





And who says I lack self-respect? Don't patronize me with amateur psychoanalysis. That I don't go out of my way to be condescended to by johns in no way compromises my integrity.


Nobody said you lack self-respect. Quite the contrary. My point was that while your high-minded ethics are wasted on some customers, they are still not a waste because your good actions contribute to your own self-image. If you started deliberately misleading customers about what they can expect from you, it would damage your self-image. Don't you agree?

Sorry that my point wasn't clear. I did not mean to patronize or insult you.

vanilla_dog
03-20-2004, 02:15 PM
If you started deliberately misleading customers about what they can expect from you, it would damage your self-image. Don't you agree?


I know the inquiry was not directed toward me but...no, sir, I do not agree. When I smile at you and tilt my head to the side and wink I'm misleading you; when I get down on my hands and knees and stick my ass in the air and wiggle it I'm misleading you; when I peel of my panties and work my naked kitty five inches from your face I'm misleading you.

I am lying through body language by imitating the acts of a primate ready to mate with you when in fact I have no intentions of mating with you. Just because the message is non-verbal doesn't mean it's not deceptive.

You know it's an act when I say maybe with my eyes. Just make the leap to knowing it's an act when I say maybe with my tongue. Don't expect me to feel guilty for misleading you into thinking you have a chance of mating with me when it's my job to do exactly that.

I'm a good little capitalist so which do you think causes the greater damage to my self image: misleading you or not paying my bills?

LapOfLuxury
03-20-2004, 03:01 PM
If you started deliberately misleading customers about what they can expect from you, it would damage your self-image. Don't you agree?


I know the inquiry was not directed toward me but...no, sir, I do not agree. When I smile at you and tilt my head to the side and wink I'm misleading you; when I get down on my hands and knees and stick my ass in the air and wiggle it I'm misleading you; when I peel of my panties and work my naked kitty five inches from your face I'm misleading you.

I am lying through body language by imitating the acts of a primate ready to mate with you when in fact I have no intentions of mating with you. Just because the message is non-verbal doesn't mean it's not deceptive.


No, you are not misleading me; you are TEASING me. There's a difference. Those types of actions in a STRIP CLUB have never made me think a dancer is going to mate with me. I would have to be delusional to think that. But I'd enjoy the naked kitty 5 inches from my face.

I do understand that some customers can be delusional. I would never hold a dancer responsible for that.




You know it's an act when I say maybe with my eyes. Just make the leap to knowing it's an act when I say maybe with my tongue. Don't expect me to feel guilty for misleading you into thinking you have a chance of mating with me when it's my job to do exactly that.


It is one thing to act sexually enticing with your body language. But let's say I'm some sorry smitten regular of yours, spending money on you and occasionally asking you out. You insist that you want to go out with me but keep putting it off with one excuse or another. That's a different thing. That is giving false expectations.





I'm a good little capitalist so which do you think causes the greater damage to my self image: misleading you or not paying my bills?


You're the best one to answer that question.

vanilla_dog
03-20-2004, 04:15 PM
No, you are not misleading me; you are TEASING me...



Both forms of communication are a mindfucking cocktease.

A trip to the SC for a lot of guys is like a trip past the mythological Sirens. Predictably it ends badly with many a sailor wrecking his ship on their bone littered shores.

I am a Siren. I will continue to sing my enchanting, deadly song. Your destruction is of no concern to me. :mischievous:

LapOfLuxury
03-20-2004, 04:28 PM
No, you are not misleading me; you are TEASING me...



Both forms of communication are a mindfucking cocktease.

A trip to the SC for a lot of guys is like a trip past the mythological Sirens. Predictably it ends badly with many a sailor wrecking his ship on their bone littered shores.

I am a Siren. I will continue to sing my enchanting, deadly song. Your destruction is of no concern to me. :mischievous:





Understood. And well-stated. And perhaps not an uncommon view among dancers.

Jay Zeno
03-21-2004, 09:04 AM
When I smile at you and tilt my head to the side and wink I'm misleading you; when I get down on my hands and knees and stick my ass in the air and wiggle it I'm misleading you; when I peel of my panties and work my naked kitty five inches from your face I'm misleading you.


I guess if the intent is to mislead me, then you're true to your intent. But you're not misleading me the way I see it.

When you smile at me, I enjoy the smile. When you stick your ass in the air and wiggle it, I enjoy the view of your ass and looking to your eyes as you look past your hip to gauge my reaction. When your crotch is five inches from my face, I enjoy looking up and down the landscape of your body from that angle. It's worth a couple bucks at a time for stage money.

I enjoy it for what it is. No more, no less.

Lilith
03-21-2004, 10:53 AM
I enjoy it for what it is. No more, no less.


Merely because you do this does not mean every customer also keeps his perspective as you do. The fact that we have coined acronyms such as RIL adequately illustrates that customers often do feel we have been offering something potentially real.

Jay Zeno
03-21-2004, 11:17 AM
Agreed, Lilith. I don't expect or even want others to be just like me. I'm just presenting an alternative view to pure objectification and complete disdain of others' concerns, which I personally find distasteful.

Pamela
03-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Ok just some notes i always lived by, inside the clubs mainly!

1) "Flirting is attention, without intention."

Pamela

FBR
03-21-2004, 04:33 PM
I am a Siren. I will continue to sing my enchanting, deadly song. Your destruction is of no concern to me. :mischievous:



As Ive said before I give you credit for balls LOL

While your not my type (personality wise) Id pay just to watch you milk the suckers and PL's. It would be a fun show.

FBR

FBR
03-21-2004, 04:40 PM
that's the thing...I'm trying to lead him on as long as I can. I need tips on prolonging it as much as possible!


You have to admire honesty. A rare trait indeed. Maybe he'll offer you a $20K weekend and put you in a real delimma ::)

FBR

doc-catfish
03-21-2004, 05:54 PM
I have heard about this scam before and have wanted to do that to many a misbehaving customer over the years but never actually did it ~for many reasons but the main one is if I accepted the money and actually said I'd screw them , and it was a cop, I'd go to jail :o


And you wonder why we men are so hesitant to hand over the money first, albeit a misbehaving customer like that is probably asking for it.



When I smile at you and tilt my head to the side and wink I'm misleading you; when I get down on my hands and knees and stick my ass in the air and wiggle it I'm misleading you; when I peel of my panties and work my naked kitty five inches from your face I'm misleading you.


If you’re trying to make the point that the described activities qualify as manipulation, then you’re correct. But as I’ve stated elsewhere, there’s benign manipulation (working your kitty five inches from a customer’s face) and malicious manipulation (stringing him along with explicit promises that you don‘t intend to keep as long as he keeps hemorrhaging cash).

Maybe those (and by "those" I mean customers and dancers alike) who’ve resigned themselves to this pathetic “treat them like shit because they’ll treat you like shit regardless” attitude don’t acknowledge that there’s the difference, but those of us with some scruples left still can.



I am lying through body language by imitating the acts of a primate ready to mate with you when in fact I have no intentions of mating with you. Just because the message is non-verbal doesn't mean it's not deceptive.

C’mon don’t be so full of yourself. Not everything with a penis attached to it is that stupid. A dancer wriths on my lap for four minutes and I pay her $20 for doing it. Transaction completed. I see nothing deceptive about that.



Merely because you do this does not mean every customer also keeps his perspective as you do. The fact that we have coined acronyms such as RIL adequately illustrates that customers often do feel we have been offering something potentially real.


And much like the kid who keeps pouring his allowance money into some rigged carnival game that he can’t win (the one where you have to throw the ball into the leaning bucket comes to mind), maybe getting burned a few times would do that customer some good. While I don’t think its necessarily a dancer’s job to tell such a customer if or when he’s getting in over his head, she should at least have the consideration not to whine if or more likely when her selfish actions come back to bite her in the ass. Case in point (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/index.php/stripperweb/off-topic/chat/t902.html). What goes around comes around.

Lilith
03-22-2004, 12:54 AM
Merely because you do this does not mean every customer also keeps his perspective as you do. The fact that we have coined acronyms such as RIL adequately illustrates that customers often do feel we have been offering something potentially real.


And much like the kid who keeps pouring his allowance money into some rigged carnival game that he can’t win (the one where you have to throw the ball into the leaning bucket comes to mind), maybe getting burned a few times would do that customer some good. While I don’t think its necessarily a dancer’s job to tell such a customer if or when he’s getting in over his head, she should at least have the consideration not to whine if or more likely when her selfish actions come back to bite her in the ass. Case in point (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/index.php/stripperweb/off-topic/chat/t902.html). What goes around comes around.


So it's due to a stripper's "selfish actions" that a customer goes RIL. All that flirting, sensuality, dancing, talking (you know, her job) is really selfish manipulation to RIL with malice aforesight.

Riiiiiiiiight.

We sell no steak in this sizzlehouse, and I for one can sleep like a baby at night selfishly keeping my steak all to myself after spending a long shift sizzling.

LapOfLuxury
03-22-2004, 02:00 AM
But as I’ve stated elsewhere, there’s benign manipulation (working your kitty five inches from a customer’s face) and malicious manipulation (stringing him along with explicit promises that you don‘t intend to keep as long as he keeps hemorrhaging cash).





So it's due to a stripper's "selfish actions" that a customer goes RIL. All that flirting, sensuality, dancing, talking (you know, her job) is really selfish manipulation to RIL with malice aforesight.

Riiiiiiiiight.

We sell no steak in this sizzlehouse, and I for one can sleep like a baby at night selfishly keeping my steak all to myself after spending a long shift sizzling.


doc-catfish had a point in his post about the distinction between between "benign" manipulation and "malicious" manipulation. It was a good point. You have ignored that point in your response. You have responded as if he decried "all that flirting, sensuality, dancing, talking..." as immoral. He did not.

And there's no reason why you shouldn't "sleep like a baby at night selfishly keeping [your] steak all to [yourself]"...as long as you haven't lied about what's available on the menu.

Lilith
03-22-2004, 10:18 PM
I ignored nothing and directly quoted, O Red Herring, the cogent part of the post to which I was responding. If you hoped to read something additional into it, then I suggest trying again in a more coherent manner.

SaraNLA
03-26-2004, 09:12 PM
I think I've kept a lot of regulars by not depending soley on them. Sometimes I work the slower nights -- when my best spending regular comes in -- then I'll work the busy nights where I meet new faces. It's always better to have them 'missing you' a little bit. If a regular is spending a lot, then he's got my full attention/emails as to when I'm coming in, etc. If it wanes a little bit, I switch up my nights. When we bump into each other again, it's always a 'happy (and profitable!) reunion'.

sadbuttrue
03-27-2004, 08:06 AM
We sell no steak in this sizzlehouse, and I for one can sleep like a baby at night selfishly keeping my steak all to myself after spending a long shift sizzling.


All this talk of steak is making me hungry. Is there a Strip Club called Outback? :dance: ;D Sorry, I couldn't help it!! LMAO!

>>>Sad<<<

carmenNYC
03-27-2004, 05:23 PM
We sell no steak in this sizzlehouse, and I for one can sleep like a baby at night selfishly keeping my steak all to myself after spending a long shift sizzling.


All this talk of steak is making me hungry. Is there a Strip Club called Outback? :dance: ;D Sorry, I couldn&#039;t help it!! LMAO!

>>>Sad<<<



hehehhahHAHAHAHA....maybe i&#039;m a dork for laughing at this....haw haw haw :laughing:

sadbuttrue
03-27-2004, 09:01 PM
hehehhahHAHAHAHA....maybe i&#039;m a dork for laughing at this....haw haw haw :laughing:


Thanx for putting up with me <- :dopey:!

>>>Sad<<<
:)