View Full Version : So heres the scoop on Scores West
teh story about being semen covered is not true
a girl fell asleep in the shower of the bathroom cause she was drunk.. end of story and she isnt 20
and there are no condom's sold from the cigarette girl
Deliela
06-21-2004, 09:31 PM
DIVA- Business was "off that week because the stock
market was down"?????? No, no, no! Scores West has yet to take off at all and I doubt that it will. There is too
much competition and both dancers and customers are
getting wise to the "real world of Scores". That "steering" incident you witnessed should not have surprised you at all. It goes on all the time at Scores.
The dancers who benefitted from the host's "intervention" probably kicked back to him. That's
been going on at Scores for YEARS!!!
So here's the real scoop on Scores West first hand from someone who works there and not just visiting or here-say..... GIRLS DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME OR MONEY GOING THERE, NOT WORTH LEAVING YOUR HOME TOWN. THE CLUB IS RIPPING OFF CUSTOMERS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT AND THEY TREAT THE GIRLS LIKE SHIT.......... The club is commpletely dead, a cemetery looks more alive. The past few weeks I worked I saw quite a decline from slow to completely dead. The few customers that showed up were very low class, this is no where near upscale club. I can't believe I spend money on my image going to hair and nail salon, buying expensive gowns and shoes and make-up to dance for scum-bag clients. They do not advertise and they depend on the customers from next door clubs
Thanks for the heads up. Where is the miami location exactly? It might do well in the fall......
Anyone working at Sapphire in Las Vegas?
So what's the number 1 topless upscale club in NY? Has scores lost out to Penthouse Executive Club?
If you're doing well on the westside with low fee, why go east where there's high fee $300 + and more girls? if mgmt. is so great why leave for the unknown?
chase6
06-21-2004, 10:20 PM
deliela-went to cash in scores dollars on the west side about 11pm it was slow..so i decided to check out scores east and it was packed with bussiness suits. As for #1 clubs,scores is it. stay away from penthouse unless you want to blw everyone and their uncle. had a bad exp there.
chrissy
06-22-2004, 07:46 AM
Chase6 you still sound like an insider for Scores- your reciting all the sayings on there posters- all the girls are leaving Scores becuase its dead.
Pamela
06-22-2004, 08:09 AM
I not being in NY of course have only heard Scores is dying pretty much. What is going on? I thought they did great, and the dancers at times made really good money.
I had a few emails about the clubs, and seems customers may want more contact (not sure, but kinda sounded that way) as i am in the "contact capital" of the US it seems.
Gosh would be nice just to strip/dance for a change >:(
Just wanted to know the scoop up there.
Pamela
The_Kid
06-22-2004, 08:49 AM
It's almost amusing to read the postings of Scores &
PEC partisans. Rather than say what a good club
Scores or PEC is ; they just repeat unflattering rumors
and calumnies about their rival.
There is now a broad consensus that Scores is in
decline. It's NOT dead and maybe not even dying BUT
it's heyday is OVER !. They have lost a substantial #
of well-heeled customers AND some of their best dancers to PEC. PEC has clearly passed Scores and
is unquestionably the Number ONE upscale topless
club in NYC. The cost of working there is LOWER
than Scores BUT the money making potential is just
as good. For customers, the prices are a little more
moderate than Scores BUT the dancers are much
better AND the staff talks to you and treats you
far, far better than the overdressed thugs at Scores.
Scores West has yet to take off and considering the alternatives in the relative vicinity, probably never will.
Clearly the recent lawsuits vs. Scores have not helped
their situation. It's important to note that are NO (NONE,ZERO, ZIP, NADA ) similar type stories about PEC,
Privilege or even Flashdancers or VIP.
Lately, I've been reading more and more anti-PEC posts
from Scores boosters like LANE and Chase 6. All it says to me is that the Scores-folk are clearly feeling the pinch
and this is their way of saying "ouch". Rather than generate agitprop, why don't they focus on making
Scores better i.e. lower the ridiculous house fees &
tip-outs ; stamp out the "kickbacks" and get rid of
the arrogant thugs currently working as hosts &
bouncers. There's plenty of work to be done to repair
Scores' tattered reputation and generating silly rumors
and stories about PEC is not going to get it done.
BTW- I am not a raving fan of PEC. Far from it. Generally
speaking I think it's a bit pretentious and it can be
boring. There are several other places where customers
can get a much better value and where dancers can
earn more CONSISTENTLY. But, for upscale Manhattan
gown clubs it is in First Place and Scores is a fading
second.
Pamela
06-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Michelle Keith from Pure Platinum said (when Pure Platinum was there, now Rhino...YUK) Scores Miami:
17450 Biscayne Blvd. North Miami, Hmmm not a very good hot spot. But we'll see what they do.. Opening he is not sure, but watching. He may get a job there!!!! Cool.
I miss him! Pamela
Oooops i am getting ready to shut down again! Think Michelle asked. Or anyone who wants to know.
chase6
06-22-2004, 09:23 AM
Chrissy,You never answered my first question, who you worked for ? its Obvious you work for penthouse !! Because you get mad about anything to do with scores. It also sounds like the kid !!Needs to change his name, to the kid from penthouse who works for them to!!.Whatever made money last night!! that all tha counts
chase6
06-22-2004, 09:55 AM
kid-its obvious to me as i am looking for positive or negative feedback from other dancers...that you are not a dancer and you spend all your time monitering this website. while it takes a long time to read all the sci-fi you write about.I am living this life. It seems to me that you know way too much of the workings of this business..you must be someone employed by penthouse. or someone who has no life..or jealous of any club that is doing good. even thouh i have just started dancing ...Everyone has recommended SCOREIf you go back to your other postings...you single out scores..all the time. other girls have warned me about people like you. there is plenty going on in iraq....maybe you should consider a chat line there.
michele
06-22-2004, 10:23 AM
I disagree melonie that because most clubs in miami are high milleage and nude a nice topless upscale low contact club wont do well.Tampa is living proof of that. Thee doll house does very well in a mist of full nude anything goes clubs all over tampa as did scarletts.There will always be a market for upscale clubs because not all men want nude, high milleage. I know you may find this hard to believe but tampa doll house is proof that there is still a demand for an upscale club even when surrounded by all that contact and nudity.
Pamela
06-22-2004, 10:39 AM
Michele Pure Platinum closed the doors for that reason, they did not do contact dances, and finally the competetion was hurting the earnings! That was the honest reason.
Have you visited the south Fl. clubs lately? They ALL have contact. They may say no upon hire or at the door, but i see it. I go down south at least twice a month now, and hit them all, mainly south Fl. Alot of friends left my area in Fl. to make more $$$ in Miami.
Rhino is the same way.....contact. Check out the VIP's.
You will see it. I will be keeping my eyes on the Scores club. it's not that all guys expect it, i know that. They just get "programmed."
We still have clean customers in the clubs...yes, but the dancers give more for the money. These guys see this, they want a taste!
Pamela
michele
06-22-2004, 10:43 AM
Pure platnum in lauderdale?Well could be different over there but Thee doll house has been there 12 years and does well amist all the other full contact nude clubs and wasnt pp there for like 15 years?
The_Kid
06-22-2004, 12:42 PM
Chase 6- Your latest is the best you can offer on behalf
of Scores ?
If you want to take issue with what I post about Scores-
FEEL FREE !!!! BUT do it on a factual basis. Tell the readers what the house fees and tip-outs are assuming
you can dispute what I've posted. Tell them how the hosts and bouncers at Scores are just like "Big Brothers" to the dancers instead of parasitic leeches
always trying to stick their grubby little paws into a
dancer's purse. ( Admittedly hyperbolic but this
supercilious brat has me a bit annoyed.)
I do NOT feel any need to validate myself to you ladies.
There are a very few readers of this bd. who KNOW
who and what I am ( and thus how and why I KNOW
and HEAR what I do about this business. ) Without any false modesty, suffice to say, I know a LOT of people
in the business and am NOT "just a customer".
I have made it clear that I will NOT divulge certain
biographical details about myself or discuss my
current relationships with dancers beyond vague
generalities. I like my anonymity and I'm entitled
to it. So is every other poster on this bd. including you.
If that's not good enough for you , TOO BAD !
Your supposition that I "work" for Penthouse is a JOKE!! If I DID work there why would I say, as I have,
that it's "often boring";that it's "pretentious"; "not a date place"; "overpriced"; a "poor value"; that
the VIP & CR are a "silly waste of money" and that at
best PEC is " the pick of a bad lot for upscale Manhattan clubs" ???? PEC is entitled to a lot better
from a P.R. flack; don't you think ?
By your own admission, you're just starting out in this
business and you obviously have a lot to learn; starting with proper grammar & correct spelling.( I'm sorry but
if you want to post with the "Big Girls" you need to brush up.)
BTW- who the hell is "Everyone"? If you actually bothered READING and COMPREHENDING you'd
easily see that "Everyone" does NOT reccomend
Scores. Far from it.
Other girls have "warned you about me" ? What did they warn you about ? That I don't suffer fools gladly ? Are you serious?
If you like working at Scores - that's fine with me. I
KNOW for a fact that they still have a few dancers
who are doing well on a regular basis and if you're
one of them - GREAT ! Knock yourself out and party
on. More importantly, you have every right to stand
up for YOUR CLUB and correct any mis-information
that's posted. I repeat my invitation for you to do so.
The_Kid
06-22-2004, 01:54 PM
Chase6- the readers of this bd. KNOW that when someone like you has NO WAY to dispute the merits
of what someone else posts; the only thing they can do
is attack the poster.
Not that it's any of your business, but I happen to like
strippers and enjoy strip clubs. I also like civil discourse
and genuine discussion. Why are you so afraid to try it ? Rather than attack me , why don't you tell the
readers of this bd. how you like working at Scores?
If what I post is so off-base, why can't you post a
word of genuine response to set me straight.
CRYSTA
06-22-2004, 03:18 PM
Coming from a girl that recently started working at Scores West, I LOVE THE PLACE! - Been making money every night, on the floor and in the private rooms. Management and staff have been nothing but courteous, caring and willing to help if needed. Talk about high rollers they are all over the place! For those of you who post differently you must be going elsewhere.
HOTSABLE
06-22-2004, 04:18 PM
To the kid - I am I dancer from Florida coming to New York to work at Scores. You will not change my mind about going to work there because all I hear about them is good. All I want to do is make money, and from what most of my friends tell me the clientele is good and so is management not to mention all the celebrities that frequent the place. Just registered because a friend told me about the site and decided to read about Scores before I go there. Gotta tell you, you sure do sound like you are either an ex Scores employee with a grudge or a PEC exec. Sorry your posts didn't change my mind. If I going to NY to dance it's going to be for the best!
Roxana
06-22-2004, 04:31 PM
I’m coming down from Vegas next week, looking to work in NYC for about two weeks. I met a few people out in Vegas last year from NY and heard a lot of great things about Scores and want to check out Scores West!
Hey Bomshell69 you seem to know all the ins and outs of how the club operates, maybe you could get me an interview! It looks like there is a lot of money flying around in the club, with all the rates for room charges you’ve mentioned, it sounds like there are quite a few High Rollers!
I thought this site was more for chatting and obtaining information from fellow Entertainers, but it’s turning out to be a long boring writing contest. I just want to talk and get some feedback.
xctsy68
06-22-2004, 04:33 PM
Hey, Crysta
I agree with you. I've been working at Scores on and off for about two years and have been very happy. I come from Florida and travel back and forth. Scores management is very respectful &always try to help. The hostsalways been exteremely kind . I work at Scores about three to four times a week and I dont understand what the hell The-Kid talking about. It is a very fun atmosphere. I make great money (definitely cannot complain). Crysta I'm sure you will enjoy working there. Monday and tuesday are a little slow, but Wed_Sat definitely makes up for it.
Pamela
06-22-2004, 07:03 PM
Yes Michelle Pure Platinum has been around over 15 years. I was talking about south Fl. That is the places i hit mainly, a short drive down the coast.
As far as the west coast (Tampa ) i only know what i hear from other dancers on the board pretty much.
South Fl. is much different, the atmosphere really. Nude beaches galore, and a very open area for nudity inside clubs and out.
Pamela
Lots of ONE post posters with SHILL type posts. LMAO
velvet
06-22-2004, 09:47 PM
Lots of ONE post posters with SHILL type posts. LMAO
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haha lexi i was reading this and thinking the same thing. ok posters talk to each other! lets have a scores ad! it must be bad.......
chase6
06-22-2004, 11:07 PM
lexi the club opening in florida is at miami gold, thats what the manager told me. He wouldnt tell me the other location, but i think it might be in keywest. Just got off , the westside was really slow!! but the eastside was doing good business for a tues pretty sure the westside is a wed thru sat club
chase6
06-22-2004, 11:15 PM
sorry the last message was for michele!! have a good night.
seraya
06-23-2004, 06:06 AM
Lots of ONE post posters with SHILL type posts. LMAO
LMFAO! I was thinking the same thing.... WTF are these ppl on.... or should i say PERSON ::)
Seraya.
chrissy
06-23-2004, 09:25 AM
LOL seriously I like how the same person makes up names and says 'yeah Scores is great!'!
By the way I worked there for 3 years.
The_Kid
06-23-2004, 10:40 AM
Alright ladies. I'm going to assume that there are a few
readers with a genuine interest in REALLY finding out
whether or not working at Scores can be worthwhile.
I've posted many,many times that it can be BUT with a lot of "IF's". IF you can consistently hustle VIP & Champagne Room you WILL make money - NO DOUBT.
IF you can consistently cover house fees and tip- outs
of as much as $300. IF you can avoid the bouncers &
hosts "cutting in" and steering YOUR customers to
dancers who are "playing the game". IF you can avoid paying them kickbacks for VIP & CR access.
I've never danced at Scores. ( I flunked the physical.)
I've never worked there or at PEC. But I know plenty
of dancers who have worked and still work at both places. I've been to both as a customer. I'VE been treated much better at PEC than Scores and so have my friends. The dancers I know have been treated
MUCH better at PEC starting with the FACT that they get
to keep a bigger proportion of what THEY EARN at PEC.
I have yet to hear from or read ANYTHING from a dancer
who worked at Scores ; left to work at PEC and then said or posted that Scores was better from any
standpoint whatsoever. BUT, all you have to do is browse this site and you'll see a slew of posts from
ex-Scores dancers who now work at PEC and state
how and why PEC is so much better.
More importantly, PEC has been around for at least a
year now and I have yet to read or hear of a single,
SUBSTANTIATED "horror story" from either a dancer
or customer perspective. Yes, yes I know all the bullshit
RUMOR of a PEC dancer getting "choked" by a customer
in the VIP. First, I've satisfied myself that it simply
NEVER happened. More importantly, the "gossip" who
recklessly spread this little tale is completely UNABLE
to substantiate or corroborate this garbage in any way,
shape or form. ( Recognize yourself LANE ? )
So if some of you gals insist on checking out Scores and
trying it for yourselves, BE MY GUEST ! Bona fortuna !
But before you do, just keep one more thing in mind :
Most "newbies" ( MOST, not all ) don't come back to Scores after 1 or 2 nights, maybe a week at most. Why?
Because they couldn't make any money there.
dallas
06-23-2004, 12:35 PM
my name is dallas alot of you dancers know who i am!!!i have been working back and fourth for years. I have worked for the scmbags at scores who are also the old scmbags at pec i make no pretense as to what i do, i blow for a living!!!so do most of us ofd..!
does it make any difference (were i go or were i blow) IN THE WORDS OF BLACK EYED PEAS WERE IS THE LOVE??? ITS IN THE PRIVATE ROOM!!!SO MANY PHONY POSTERS IT FUNNY!!!>I know work at pec because i got fired for slapping a customer at scores. I"LL probably get fired at pec, then ill go and work at hustler, and back to vip a lot of us older dancers work at pec because were on our last legs and we get free dinners i'm not afraid to admit it!!!any way, who cares who's #1or2!!! lets just keep making money and keep it real girls let not forget what we do for a living!!!THE only way to find out how good a club is, YOU have to check it out for yourself.
BTW kid thanks for dinner the other night javascript:replaceText('%20:-X')
The_Kid
06-23-2004, 12:47 PM
Dallas- I don't know what you're on but whatever it is;
it's very bad for you.
Bombshell69
06-23-2004, 01:05 PM
Roxana - the summer in NYC is slow at every club but you can still make good money if you're a hustler, beautiful, great body and nice personality. I would wait until the fall if I were you. As far as new girls being taken advantage of, I would say this can happen at any club but no one can force you.
Melonie
06-23-2004, 01:08 PM
One small piece of advice for any travelling dancers who plan on working in New York City in 2003. While you're visiting, stop by a library and pick up a NY state and New York City income tax return. You're going to need them come January 2004.
chase6
06-23-2004, 01:22 PM
my name is dallas alot of you dancers know who i am!!!i have been working back and fourth for years. I have worked for the scmbags at scores who are also the old scmbags at pec i make no pretense as to what i do, i blow for a living!!!so do most of us ofd..!
does it make any difference (were i go or were i blow) IN THE WORDS OF BLACK EYED PEAS WERE IS THE LOVE??? ITS IN THE PRIVATE ROOM!!!SO MANY PHONY POSTERS IT FUNNY!!!>I know work at pec because i got fired for slapping a customer at scores. I"LL probably get fired at pec, then ill go and work at hustler, and back to vip a lot of us older dancers work at pec because were on our last legs and we get free dinners i'm not afraid to admit it!!!any way, who cares who's #1or2!!! lets just keep making money and keep it real girls let not forget what we do for a living!!!THE only way to find out how good a club is, YOU have to check it out for yourself.
BTW kid thanks for dinner the other night javascript:replaceText('%20:-X')
Dallas-no one cares who you know or who you blow.Please get help for yourself! you have been dancing to long.
dallas - I'm really sorry that you have such a low self-esteem that you blow for a living at such upscale clubs as scores & penthouse where you don't have to and will still make good money as a matter of fact: you'll make more money because you'll sell more than 1 hour but hours, if the guy gets off why should he stay for more hours? he's already satisfied. I suggest you work for an escort service where you won't juperdise the clubs being shut down as well as everyone loosing their income. How can you look at your self in the mirror or live with yourself. People like you give dancing a bad name. Please leave NYC.
Roxana - the summer in NYC is slow at every club but you can still make good money if you're a hustler, beautiful, great body and nice personality. I would wait until the fall if I were you. As far as new girls being taken advantage of, I would say this can happen at any club but no one can force you.
Melonie I think you meant January 2005
chase6
06-23-2004, 01:27 PM
dallas - I'm really sorry that you have such a low self-esteem that you blow for a living at such upscale clubs as scores & penthouse where you don't have to and will still make good money as a matter of fact: you'll make more money because you'll sell more than 1 hour but hours, if the guy gets off why should he stay for more hours? he's already satisfied. I suggest you work for an escort service where you won't juperdise the clubs being shut down as well as everyone loosing their income. How can you look at your self in the mirror or live with yourself. People like you give dancing a bad name. Please leave NYC. RIGHT ON SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE
Roxana - the summer in NYC is slow at every club but you can still make good money if you're a hustler, beautiful, great body and nice personality. I would wait until the fall if I were you. As far as new girls being taken advantage of, I would say this can happen at any club but no one can force you.
Melonie I think you meant January 2005
chase6
06-23-2004, 01:35 PM
my name is dallas alot of you dancers know who i am!!!i have been working back and fourth for years. I have worked for the scmbags at scores who are also the old scmbags at pec i make no pretense as to what i do, i blow for a living!!!so do most of us ofd..!
does it make any difference (were i go or were i blow) IN THE WORDS OF BLACK EYED PEAS WERE IS THE LOVE??? ITS IN THE PRIVATE ROOM!!!SO MANY PHONY POSTERS IT FUNNY!!!>I know work at pec because i got fired for slapping a customer at scores. I"LL probably get fired at pec, then ill go and work at hustler, and back to vip a lot of us older dancers work at pec because were on our last legs and we get free dinners i'm not afraid to admit it!!!any way, who cares who's #1or2!!! lets just keep making money and keep it real girls let not forget what we do for a living!!!THE only way to find out how good a club is, YOU have to check it out for yourself.
BTW kid thanks for dinner the other night javascript:replaceText('%20:-X')
Dallas-no one cares who you know or who you blow.Please get help for yourself! you have been dancing to long.
DALLAS listen to diva you have serious problems
nycgurl
06-23-2004, 03:27 PM
Is that my old girl, T? ???
Roxana
06-23-2004, 03:43 PM
Thanks for the feedback, but I think I'm going to give Scores West a try. I spoke to a dancer who worked yesterday, she said last night was a bit slower than usual at Scores West, but she and her girls made good $$$$.
And I wonder why the_kid has so much HATE for the TOP Club in the US? I just saw the VH1 Special they did on Scores, it Looks Great!!!!
I have'nt seen any kind of Media exposure for PEC?????? The only thing I see........... is this guy (the_kid) trying to push the place. I guess that's PEC's idea of marketing!!!!
ace_barker
06-23-2004, 04:56 PM
Chase6, Crysta, XCTSY68, Roxana and Hotsable. you girls convinced me, I'm going to NY soon and will check out Scores and not PEC. BTW do they take American Express or do I need cash?
chase6
06-24-2004, 12:15 AM
Chase6, Crysta, XCTSY68, Roxana and Hotsable. you girls convinced me, I'm going to NY soon and will check out Scores and not PEC. BTW do they take American Express or do I need cash?
ace_ wed very slow on westside thurday better. eastside good anyday just got in off work bring cash ask for the oriental dude jim on westside he will hook you up if you have amex they will work something out for you
Thanks for the feedback, but I think I'm going to give Scores West a try. I spoke to a dancer who worked yesterday, she said last night was a bit slower than usual at Scores West, but she and her girls made good $$$$.
And I wonder why the_kid has so much HATE for the TOP Club in the US? I just saw the VH1 Special they did on Scores, it Looks Great!!!!
I have'nt seen any kind of Media exposure for PEC?????? The only thing I see........... is this guy (the_kid) trying to push the place. I guess that's PEC's idea of marketing!!!!
Um... let me just add to your "knowledge" but The Kid doesnt work for PEC. You're wrong there. He is a guy who frequents clubs and feels that PEC is better for the customers AND dancers (because of smaller tipouts, and earnings potential) So... again...WRONG.
Bombshell69
06-24-2004, 07:04 AM
deliela-went to cash in scores dollars on the west side about 11pm it was slow..so i decided to check out scores east and it was packed with bussiness suits. As for #1 clubs,scores is it. stay away from penthouse unless you want to blw everyone and their uncle. had a bad exp there.
Chase - I'm pointing out the facts because you are selling scores so much that you are steering dancers the wrong way. I still work at scores west because I have a lot of funny money which I can only cash in when I work and they only cash in mon thru friday but not always. They only cash in between the hours 8pm to 9pm. So how come you get to cash yours at 11pm and come in to work so late when shift starts at 7pm & 8pm. Are you banging Lenny or others that you get special treatment or is this just fiction. As soon as I get all my funny money cleared I'm out of there. We both know the place is dead and that's why you went to east to check it out but not sure if they'll hire you......
Roxana - if you really want to work at scores now, then I suggest going to the eastside and see the manager Sean or Robert but bear in mind that there are Too many clubs now and a shrinking customer base and expanding dancer base has created a super high hustle atmosphere and a more cautious customer.
You can master all the Dancer Wealth techniques and then some but if you are working where there are more employees than customers on a regular basis, how much high steady income can one have? and this is what the westside is like. The fee on the eastside is $240 plus dj, make-up & house mom tue thru friday and $180 plus on monday & saturday and sunday $60. Add this cost to what you'll be paying for hotel, food & transportation and figure out if it's worth it for you. The fee on westside is free sunday thru tuesday plus $40 dj, $5 house mom & $5 make-up. You don't have to tip any host, but if they help you then 10% of the $400 is normal. If anyone other than a customer wants you to dance for them just ::) say no. If you go to private room, get paid first before you start dancing. Goodluck
chase6
06-24-2004, 09:12 AM
Chase6, Crysta, XCTSY68, Roxana and Hotsable. you girls convinced me, I'm going to NY soon and will check out Scores and not PEC. BTW do they take American Express or do I need cash?
ace_ wed very slow on westside thurday better. eastside good anyday just got in off work bring cash ask for the oriental dude jim on westside he will hook you up if you have amex they will work something out for you
69 -Can i call you that?Not selling any thing!! not banging anybody!!Especially not Lenny!!!!Would'nt touch him if he were wearing justin ;D timberlake mask!!!look at my last post. But there is a new stripclub in town, its on spring st. all american guys sounds interesting check it out !!something for the girls!!! you can put your # to work you work at scores west good for you!!!
Melonie
06-24-2004, 09:47 AM
I have'nt seen any kind of Media exposure for PEC?????? The only thing I see........... is this guy (the_kid) trying to push the place. I guess that's PEC's idea of marketing!!!!
I'm trying desparately to avoid a partisan stand between Scores and PEC, but it is an absolute fact that Scores spends big money to advertise where PEC spends much less. This might be the Howard Stern show, this might be a cable TV docu-mercial, this might be a big ad in the NY times.
However, the part that is not obvious is that the money Scores is spending for this advertising comes straight out of the dancers' pockets. At $240 per shift, Scores' stage fee is twice as high as any other club in the area including PEC. For a dancer who averages just two nights a week, that amounts to almost $25,000 per year in stage fees ! For that kind of money one would expect the club to do some advertising.
I still work at scores west because I have a lot of funny money which I can only cash in when I work and they only cash in mon thru friday but not always. They only cash in between the hours 8pm to 9pm. So how come you get to cash yours at 11pm and come in to work so late when shift starts at 7pm & 8pm.
To be honest, applying different rules to different dancers has been Scores operating mode for years. Certain girls were always allowed to walk in anytime they wanted to and start working, while other girls were assigned to specific shifts on specific days. I haven't heard about Scores applying different rules in regard to funny money cash-ins before, but it's not all that surprising.
Actually, it's very arguable that Scores refusal to cash in funny money is illegal. The dancer lawsuits against the VIP club have also created publicity for this issue with local courts/law enforcement.
Melonie I think you meant January 2005
Yes I certainly did, thank you. The intent of that post was to remind out of town dancers that the American Express customer lawsuits against Scores are going to force an official investigation of Scores business records as part of those court cases. It's extremely likely that those investigations will turn up the real names and addresses of dancers who have worked/are working for Scores. Because they are running huge budget deficits and need every tax dollar that they can find, it's then extremely likely that the New York State tax dep't and the City of New York Income Tax bureau are going to track down the names and SS#'s found in Scores club records to see if they filed and paid NY State and NYC local income taxes.
Tigerlilly
06-24-2004, 11:12 AM
remenber what happens at scores happens to everyone else!!>keep singing the company line ..
Actually this is a true statement- things do filter down and affect other area clubs and everyone would really benifit from working together to serve the needs of the customer base( as well as fight legal crap) to max profits instead of fighting amongst eachother due to pride and greed.
I have'nt seen any kind of Media exposure for PEC?????? The only thing I see........... is this guy (the_kid) trying to push the place. I guess that's PEC's idea of marketing!!!!
I'm trying desparately to avoid a partisan stand between Scores and PEC, but it is an absolute fact that Scores spends big money to advertise where PEC spends much less. This might be the Howard Stern show, this might be a cable TV docu-mercial, this might be a big ad in the NY times.
However, the part that is not obvious is that the money Scores is spending for this advertising comes straight out of the dancers' pockets. At $240 per shift, Scores' stage fee is twice as high as any other club in the area including PEC. For a dancer who averages just two nights a week, that amounts to almost $25,000 per year in stage fees ! For that kind of money one would expect the club to do some advertising.
I still work at scores west because I have a lot of funny money which I can only cash in when I work and they only cash in mon thru friday but not always. They only cash in between the hours 8pm to 9pm. So how come you get to cash yours at 11pm and come in to work so late when shift starts at 7pm & 8pm.
To be honest, applying different rules to different dancers has been Scores operating mode for years.
Actually, it's very arguable that Scores refusal to cash in funny money is illegal. The dancer lawsuits against the VIP club have also created publicity for this issue with local courts/law enforcement.
Melonie I think you meant January 2005
Yes I certainly did, thank you. The intent of that post was to remind out of town dancers that the American Express customer lawsuits against Scores are going to force an official investigation of Scores business records as part of those court cases. It's extremely likely that those investigations will turn up the real names and addresses of dancers who have worked/are working for Scores. Because they are running huge budget deficits and need every tax dollar that they can find, it's then extremely likely that the New York State tax dep't and the City of New York Income Tax bureau are going to track down the names and SS#'s found in Scores club records to see if they filed and paid NY State and NYC local income taxes.
Melonie you are so right about this.
Girls beware because one of the members on this board works for the IRS and I belive his member name is NVJosh. Be very carefull about posting your income and how much is possible to be made at clubs. I'm in a battle with them but thank god I'm winning because I have receipts. I actually got a check from them on tuesday for $15.02 for over paying estimated tax.
Melonie I also thankyou for your advice given in the Dollar Den.
I'll also like to point out that Scores is also a big target for the IRS and all who works there. When they got audited in 1995, so did I and all who worked there and this was when the house fee jumped from $120 per night to $240 - $260 per night to help pay back the IRS for back taxes, however the bill is paid off but the high fees remains regardless of the economy. The accountant at the time Richie Goldring was responsible for this. He now claims to be one of the owners of the scores westside club........ As a matter of fact, you're not allowed to ask for more than $400 per hour from a client to go to private room but you can sit and dance for any amount on the floor and no one the wiser.... The whole american express lawsuit will soon end and forgotten just like the shootings and murder of waiter & bouncer did. Their most recent advertisement was on VH1 TV. Sex sells and this vh1 piece sold the club.
Girls beware because one of the members on this board works for the IRS and I belive his member name is NVJosh. Be very carefull about posting your income and how much is possible to be made at clubs. I'm in a battle with them but thank god I'm winning because I have receipts. I actually got a check from them on tuesday for $15.02 for over paying estimated tax.
Where do you get this information about Josh? I hope you arent just throwing names around because that would be really stupid to do especially with no proof. How do you know this?
dallas
06-24-2004, 02:29 PM
Diva- read the daily news. 6 cases out of millions of customers. To me that's not a very big number of complaints. BUT like everything else that goes on there, they make BIG headlines !!From what I hear, 3 have already gone away. One to Bagladesh!
You know the shit that happens in that place where else can you make that kind of money. 128,000 dollars is a lot of money !!!You just don't hear of it .You know how much clrk spent in that club, way more!!! You don't see that at any other club you know all about the rats that used to be there. The poor innocent people that got hurt in the club.The club was run way better when they went to jail and we made more money!! When your making that kind of money the house fee seems like nothing. I left Scores I'll be back sooner or later. Here is something you don't know I was there the night Richard Goldring and john neilson were having dinner with the owners Spearmint Rhino they are trying to buy the westside and eastside and scores name than they asked me to leave. I can tell you this Spearmint Rhino can definitely afford to buy scores and their name. They have big big bucks!! I know Scores has a 20 yr lease and they own the building on the west side. It make sense to me that there may even be a merger. I have worked there since chris murray worked there. I'm ready to retire thanks to scores .Yeah thier scmbgs but who isn't in this business. I made my money!!!!!!!
Melonie
06-24-2004, 02:31 PM
melonie thanks for trying so hard!!! you definetly are very partisan! almost to the point you sound like the kid. remenber what happens at scores happens to everyone else!!>keep singing the company line ..
The only thing that I am trying hard to do is to inform out-of-town dancers of some of the financial facts and risk factors they may face if they come to Manhattan to dance. I totally agree that the Scores lawsuits, along with the VIP lawsuit, are going to be bad for all clubs in the NYC/NJ area, and have made previous posts to that effect.
However, even though I have seriously tried to avoid taking a partisan position, it's just a simple fact that Scores is being sued (and therefore investigated) while PEC is not (so far) ... another simple fact that Scores charges twice as much in the way of a stage fee as PEC does, ... and yet another simple fact that Scores sets conditions in regard to dancers being allowed to cash in the funny money they have earned while PEC does not ... and one more simple fact that Scores has already been the target of one IRS investigation (along with the dancers working there at the time) while PEC has not (yet).
The fact that Scores has developed quite a list of negative factors which PEC does not share is not my doing - I'm simply pointing out facts. "Shooting the messenger" will not change those facts. And just as a reminder, my previous post consisted of pointing out that Scores does in fact advertise heavily while PEC does not, which is a clear positive for Scores. I'd just as readily point out any other positives on the Scores side of the equation, however I really can't think of any, can you ?
Since you have called me on this issue, for the record there is zero chance that either Scores or PEC would hire me right now (because of my breast size - they both consider anything over DD cups to be 'low class'). Therefore I have absolutely no personal stake in either club. The other Manhattan clubs which I have danced at on occasion, Flashdancers and Lace/Stiletto, are totally unaffiliated with either Scores or PEC and focus on an entirely different customer market segment (and also have a different outlook toward really big boobs!).
6 cases out of millions of customers. To me that's not a very big number of complaints. BUT like everything else that goes on there, they make BIG headlines !!From what I hear, 3 have already gone away. One to Bagladesh!
I totally agree with this assessment as well, and have made previous posts to that effect. The part that I can't understand is why Scores 'voluntarily' decided to stop accepting further American Express charges even though it results in lost business for the club (and even more lost income for the dancers). In the grand scheme of things, getting hit with a $128,000 chargeback is still extremely small potatoes compared to 100+ customers per night every night spending less than they otherwise would if their corporate American Express cards were accepted.
Melonie
06-24-2004, 03:21 PM
Girls beware because one of the members on this board works for the IRS and I belive his member name is NVJosh. Be very carefull about posting your income and how much is possible to be made at clubs. I'm in a battle with them but thank god I'm winning because I have receipts.
To the best of my knowledge, NVJosh is indeed a CPA but is not an employee of the IRS. However, I agree with your advice that there's no point in tempting fate by making specific references to dancer income potential on this site or anywhere else.
But IMHO the naive NYC dancers who were interviewed for the NY Post stories, who went on record stating that they typically earn $1000+ per night, which was later read by virtually every single NY City and NY State official, have probably already attracted official attention to NYC strip clubs. Between those Post articles, the Scores and VIP lawsuits, and the Russian dancers lawsuit, I figure that this is a very good time to avoid NYC/NJ clubs until some of the dust settles. I attract enough IRS attention as it is, without my real name and SS# appearing in NYC/NJ club records which may be subpoena'd as part of any of these lawsuits or as part of a state or NY City based income tax sweep.
If you don't mind me asking, how ridiculous is the IRS being in regard to the amount of income that they 'estimated' you earned but didn't declare ? Thank god that you kept enough records and receipts to be able to prove that the IRS speculations about your income were pure bullshit. Without those records and receipts would have found yourself at the mercy of the IRS in regard to whatever crazy figure they wanted to throw on the table in regard to their 'estimate' of your actual income and the amount of income taxes you didn't pay. Don't quote figures of course, just percentages !
The_Kid
06-25-2004, 09:12 AM
Roxana- Why do you make the assumption that I
work for or have an interest in PEC ? IF I did, don't you
think I could come up with a more ringing endorsement
than my oft repeated : "PEC is the pick of a bad lot
when it comes to upscale Manhattan gown clubs" ?
It's true, I don't like Scores. I don't like the way they
treat dancers ( I'm not going to repeat the "laundry
list " of complaints and "horror stories"). I don't like the way they treat customers. I refuse to patronize a club
that insists on employing the kind of thuggish goons
Scores has. I have repeatedly questioned why Scores
mgt. tolerates their abuse of customers. I personally
never had a run-in with those thugs but more than once
I left the place shaking my head after witnessing
encounters between them and customers where their whole attitude and demeanor was breathtakingly
inappropriate. Back in the day, I used to go to Scores
and even enjoyed myself once or twice. The prices
were always high but the dancer quality was MUCH
higher than it is now. A lot of girls currently working
there would NEVER have been hired in days gone by.
Currently they are hiring most, not all, but most of
the girls who apply for the East Side and almost
ANYONE willing to work on the West Side.
In contrast, PEC simply has better dancers, many of
whom used to work at Scores. It's not just Sitara
and Chrissy. The hosts there make a genuine effort
to make a customer feel welcome. Yes it's overpriced
but it's a lot more reasonable than Scores. It can also
be a bit dull, but no more so than Scores.
From any objective standpoint PEC is simply more
dancer-friendly and more customer-friendly when compared to Scores on a club vs. club basis.
Based on all the information I have a dancer can still
gross more on a given night at Scores than at PEC
BUT, and this is a big BUT, her NET is likely to be
little more than what she could make at PEC. Why ?
the house fees and tip-outs are about half what
Scores charges AND AFAIK at PEC the bouncers & hosts do NOT try to "wet their beaks" at the dancer's expense. There's some "tipping" I am sure but
none of the "kickbacks","steering" and "cutting in" that
Scores has become famous for. BTW- these "horror
stories" do NOT come from me. They have all been
posted here and on other sites and chatboards. And
some of the posters passing these stories along
still work at Scores.
I don't blame you, or anyone else, for expressing a
healthy skepticism. However, if you want to question
my objectivity, or even accuse me of having a bias
or an agenda, please try to have an objective ,rational basis for doing so. And if, as in this case, you do NOT,
then please keep your groundless speculations to
yourself.