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Sitara7817
05-31-2004, 05:49 PM
PEC is NOT NUDE. . .its a show club. . . w/all the bells and whistle's. . . . I love it here, and always bank. . . Although i will say this IF you are NOT competitive, do NOT work here . . . but BELIEVE ME when i SAY this . . . it is well WORTH being this way to make the $$$$ we do. . . their are clique's . . . and i will be honest . . . if i have the one who's paying and you are not part of my group. . . i will make my customer remove and replace u . . . all of us are like that. . . but the girls in your "group" work together . . . in conjunction with host's, doormen, and champagne girls. . . . i will find out what's here, and what's coming so i can have my "group" on them first. . . it's all politics here. . ;)
TinkleLinkle
05-31-2004, 07:02 PM
you will make the customer "remove and replace you" is so rude and catty. customers don't like catty women and just may "remove and replace" you! that's fu--ed up Sitara. if i was at a table with customers and you told them to get rid of me-- we would have a HUGE problem-- never mess with a girls cash flow. what goes around.....
Sitara7817
05-31-2004, 07:54 PM
i had a feeling that what i said might have some negitive feedback. . . i was telling the truth. . .that's what was asked about PEC. . . do u think that this policy is just upheld by me? NO. . . this is STANDARD! FROM EVERYGROUP and HOST'S special girl's! and what i mean by not "being on the team" or "group" is a girl who does not know how to push a room and/or who is not "cool" with the other members of the your personal circle. . . thats why we have clique's. . . and i dont even go to a table where a different group has the majority because i know how it works. . i dont mean to sound rude. . . but that is the politics of PEC. . . like it or not. .
Ebony
05-31-2004, 09:50 PM
That is how it is at alot of upper tier stripclubs. Customers get attached to a certain clique of girls and spend money exclusively on them. And most girls that I know truly run in packs when it comes to working at certain clubs like 5 deep so that everyone has everyones back and everyone washes everyones hand. If a customer doesn't want a dance from me guess what I'll recommend one of my girlfriends and vice versa. Keep the money in the family! It does get catty at times but if thousands of dollars are at stake people tend to get super competitve.
In a way that is why a site like this is good you get to 'network' with girls at different clubs so you may have an 'in' when you start somewhere.
Brittany
06-01-2004, 02:15 AM
Well...
I can see why Sitara is like this. In my experiences working in NYC, I have found out that not a lot of dancers follow "dancer etiquette". A dancer that is not your friend or who doesn't know you may bad-mouth you to a customer, tell them you are married, a drug addict, etc. They may also try to "take over" a table...offer the guy more by way of better dances, or tell him they will charge him less even!
It's unfortunate, but a lot of upscale clubs tend to have bitchy women like this, who for some reason just can't get along with one another, and are EXREMELY competitive and jealous. Usually, unless you are a really good hustler, and have a don't fu** with me attitude, the girls will sometimes tend to try to run all over you this way if you are new or travelling from out of town. Unfortunately, some of them don't even give someone the benefit of the doubt before taking this course of action (meaning they will try to run you off a table if they think you even MAY do something to hurt their money). I've seen girls do this to one another in NYC and in Chicago. Usually, every other place I've been - girls are not this catty and immature..and are able to work together. Not really any kind of cliques or groups...everyone just seems to get along with most everyone else.
I think what Sitara meant by her post...was that the best defense is often the best offense. Judging by her actions in the past...such as telling girls about the club, how to get hired, how to work there, etc. it doesn't seem as though she's the type that would be mean to someone just because she's new or who would try to get someone away from the table who seemed to be totally playing by the rules. But I guess I'll let her answer that for herself! lol
TinkleLinkle
06-01-2004, 12:24 PM
I understand the politics of clubs and all, this has been my life for 4 years alright, in NYC BTW. So this is not new to me. but as for me, that would not happen at all. If there is a guy not sitting with a girl and his friends are all with girls, he is fair game and no GIRL is gonna tell me to get lost. If the guy turns me down, whatever, that's fine I will leave with no problem. but i will be damned if some dancer embarasses me and tells me to leave, especially in front of others- namely customers. that dancer will have serious shit to pay--but not in front of the guys of course.I have worked in several of NYC's top clubs and never had this issue with girls, hosts are one thing but the girls should stick together and not be nasty bitches who are jealous of other pretty girls being around. Because next time that important customer comes in, I'm going in full court press to convince him how I am much better company than the catty girl "what's her name?" understand?
Girls be careful who you Fuck with, especially if you don't know them. just relax and we will all ride the happy train to money land.
michele
06-01-2004, 03:23 PM
Brittany, you are trueabout this happeneing in chicago too.I cant compare pec to vip in chicago because I never worked tere but I saw this first hand in chicago,mostly with the vip host. If you werent in with him you werent aloud in the room.Thank god after a year or two of being their I gotin good with him from a few excellent tips but until then I went through hell and lost out on thousands per night because of this.This happens in very high end clubs,were the money making potential is in excess of 1-3 thousand plus per night.I have worked in other upscale clubs were money potentail was still good but no were near the posible 2-3 a night and you didnt deal with this.Money equals greed pure and simple.Its ahme what people will do to one another to achieve this kind of money.
Katrine
06-01-2004, 03:56 PM
I've seen this clique type thing happen often in the bigger money days for dancing, ie, late 1990's. My question is: how does one become a part of this "clique" or "working team"? I would have no problem with a group strategy, but what would I have to do to sign on? I've always worked alone. Anytime a girl wanted to team up with me, I often left her behind in my dust, not rudely or purposefully. Just curious..........
TinkleLinkle
06-02-2004, 01:18 AM
oh, and to add another comment based on Sitara's post. she seems awfully content in being in a "group". A true Diva shines alone and the others hope to get close enough to smell her aroma--fuck a clique or group,that needs validation from others to feel needed, wanted, loved, appreciated , whatever. Grow up and stop relying on others to feel important. That, by the way to others not from NYC, is not how things are done here, just in Sitara's needy inner circle, usually the girls are welcoming to new faces because it keeps customers coming. Guys get tired of the same 5 girls "blah, blah, blahing" about the same shit week after week, new blood is appreciated at most places. Usually hosts like to work with beautiful women regardless of who they are friends with.
Sitara7817
06-02-2004, 12:09 PM
Tinkle- you take what i say at another level. In not "needy, or "immature". . . i work very well. . i have a main partner (my cousin) and several other grls that we work with. . depending on what my customers friends want. .also we will never tell a girl to leave but we can get her removed from a table- ex: my customer is going to pay for the room, he has two friends. . . one girl from the three is not part of the "network" and the guy wants something else, ill ask him and find one of my girlfriends for him. . . when we move into the room we tell the host that she is bing replaces with ***, and he tells you your not wanted. . . . . As far as "wanting to belong" . . . 9 times out of 10 it is she or i who lead the group. . . my other girlfriends see us at a table. . they know how we work. . . and pass by with that "look". . . if im noding they sit down. if not. . . then they know that its not worth it. . . and they do the same for me. . .im not mean on purpose.. . . if i see a new girl i talk to her; to she what type of worker she is. . if she is aggressive. . . ill work with her. . . Ebony and Brittany truly got what i said. Kathrine- Groups help you out. . . its like having 10 people working for you instead of 1. . . its just smarter. . . i had the same problem as you. . . i could never work with girls until i came to PEC. . .the true money makers are highly motivated. . . find a girl that your cool with. . . who has the same working style as you. . . my cousin and i can look at each other and know exactly what the other is thinking. . we have our own language. . .
Sitara
I appreciate your honesty but I'm curious as to why you'd cut a girl off. Is it because there would be extra in the room and you're not sure if that girl gives extra or you don't want her to see the extra so word don't get out? Perhaps you loosing the spotlight? because of the way she looks? cut you off in the past? does the girls you help gives you money? or an ungratefull bitch who didn't appreciate you helpng them previously? That I can understand, some girls are just users. I sure hope race has nothing to do with it. Lots of times my customers would bring clients to entertain and ask me to get some hot girls and I would ask the guys what they like ( black, blond, asian, spanish, big tits, great ass, great legs, tall, petite, natural breast, glamour make-up or natural look and so on, if he has no preference I'll get girls who aren't busy or someone who's helped me in the past. I think if a guy likes a girl she should not be replaced. If she has bad breath, too much perfume or a catty bitch then okay. I think it's best to be nice to all and give everyone a fair chance because karma is a bitch. No one is better than anyone and variety is good. Lets all be professional, kind and curtious and make the club a happy environment so guys will always come back for more fun entertainment. Enough politics..............
Peace Diva
precise
06-03-2004, 02:52 AM
Right on, Diva!
I applause you , as usual!...
Imagine : two great looking black chicks-YOU and Sitara, and ...man, what a different working styles! I worked with you in the past together , so i know you how awesome,helpful and fair you are towards your co-workers. ... And something i've mentioned to Kid about Sitara's style, which is , again, i can't reveal online, but i've witnessed it in PEC one night being there with a great customer and miss Sitara tried to get in the room with him by hustling her friend/dancer who were going to the room with us...Would you believe that shark?...Ha-ha... " Work smarter, not harder"-Sitara's favorite quote...Exept she did not know that night that she was not included in CR to begin with and my customer had lay out the whole scenario with me and another girl from PEC...Pretty shameless of her, isn'it? I would never offer myself for "would you like one more girl in a room? "business in front of ...female customer,especially.
God bless her for making a bank, however thank God it's not my style. I'd rather work alone or with a very few chosen and greatful girls than have a bunch of shallow needy ones,who consantly kissing Sitara's behind...
chrissy
06-03-2004, 08:25 AM
All I can say is dont trust anyone even if they help you out on here. I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me. Its bad business to remove a girl you dont like everyone needs to make money not just the "your" friends.
Thanks Precise for your kind words.
Chrissy one of my favorite quote is usually trust no one have no friend and you won't get hurt and by that I meant even your closest friend you work with will stab you in the back just for money. Had it happen at VIP and those 2 girls lost a good friend for life, dancing is just a means to an end. From my experience when a girl is cut off from champagne room is because there's usually extras. But to each it's own!... Let's make the clubs a happy and safe fun environment for all to work as a team of entertainers and not evil bitches. It's a wonderfull feeling when you look forward to going to work than dreading to deal with unpleasant situations.
Peace Diva
Deliela
06-03-2004, 01:07 PM
Well...
I can see why Sitara is like this. In my experiences working in NYC, I have found out that not a lot of dancers follow "dancer etiquette". A dancer that is not your friend or who doesn't know you may bad-mouth you to a customer, tell them you are married, a drug addict, etc. They may also try to "take over" a table...offer the guy more by way of better dances, or tell him they will charge him less even!
It's unfortunate, but a lot of upscale clubs tend to have bitchy women like this, who for some reason just can't get along with one another, and are EXREMELY competitive and jealous. Usually, unless you are a really good hustler, and have a don't fu** with me attitude, the girls will sometimes tend to try to run all over you this way if you are new or travelling from out of town. Unfortunately, some of them don't even give someone the benefit of the doubt before taking this course of action (meaning they will try to run you off a table if they think you even MAY do something to hurt their money). I've seen girls do this to one another in NYC and in Chicago. Usually, every other place I've been - girls are not this catty and immature..and are able to work together. Not really any kind of cliques or groups...everyone just seems to get along with most everyone else.
oh, and to add another comment based on Sitara's post. she seems awfully content in being in a "group". A true Diva shines alone and the others hope to get close enough to smell her aroma--fuck a clique or group,that needs validation from others to feel needed, wanted, loved, appreciated , whatever. Grow up and stop relying on others to feel important. That, by the way to others not from NYC, is not how things are done here, just in Sitara's needy inner circle, usually the girls are welcoming to new faces because it keeps customers coming. Guys get tired of the same 5 girls "blah, blah, blahing" about the same shit week after week, new blood is appreciated at most places. Usually hosts like to work with beautiful women regardless of who they are friends with.
I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.
Brittany
06-03-2004, 05:44 PM
All I can say is dont trust anyone even if they help you out on here. I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me. Its bad business to remove a girl you dont like everyone needs to make money not just the "your" friends.
Chrissy,
Are you saying that Sitara and her friends did this to you at work? Or was it another group of girls there?
And I must say that Diva is right on about how girls should always work together, leave the politics at home, give everybody a chance, and make the club a great place for customers to come back to. Hopefully some club will make you a host someday Diva! LoL! It would be nice to have a host that wasn't only concerned with their favorite girls making money, or how much money and favors were coming their way, and who was kind, courteous, and fair.
And I have to also agree with the fact that usually when girls are excluded from a group going into the CR, it's because the girls are going to try to get away with extras, or because the other girls have "under-sold" the girl that is being excluded in hopes of keeping the money in their group, and/or getting him as a regular. ( They think that if so-and-so is going to charge $500...and they charge $400...not only will the customer/s get rid of the "outsider" but the guy/s will return and ask for them since it seemed like they got such a deal last time).
And I'm not saying that I think this is what Sitara must be doing (I've never met her). She may just be trying to protect herself from other girls who would do this sort of stuff to her or bad-mouth her to customers.
I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.
What do you mean by that Deliela? I happen to work at ggr and have never seen extras (and wouldnt ever do it) BUT there is mention of some. Does it happen? Im inclined to say yes because it happens in EVERY club.
But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)
I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something? ::)
Brittany
06-03-2004, 07:24 PM
But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)
I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something? ::)
I think it should be pointed out that MOST of the girls at these clubs don't offer extras ..of course some are going to as it happens in any club that there will be some girls who break the rules. And it doesn't necessarily make it suspicious that girls are trying to exclude other girls from the CR. Greed, jealousy, competition, and "Protecting" one's own can also come into play.
And the only club where I've ever heard girls putting down girls from contact clubs was in Chicago (a lot of the girls there didn't like us because we were from Texas contact clubs) and even here it was just a select few doing the bad-mouthing on this subject. Girls I ran into in NYC didn't seem to care where we were from...at least that's what it seemed like on the surface.
Lexi
I meant that there's talk about a fight and girls jumping a girl at your club mention on this board in regards to another club out there in NJ. I don't know either clubs because I stay in manhattan. How-ever the point is having a girl remove can turn into a fist fight period. The extras does go on in every club period. Weather you or any other dancer does it is their business. I just think every dancer should have a fare chance to make money $$$ period.
I couldn't have said this better. Diva has a point too.
Penthouse seems to be heading in the direction of the GGR situation Kid mentioned on this post. Watch yourselves girls. Diva has a point about the extras.
What do you mean by that Deliela? I happen to work at ggr and have never seen extras (and wouldnt ever do it) BUT there is mention of some. Does it happen? Im inclined to say yes because it happens in EVERY club.
But if I'm not mistaken, I think your saying how the girls at these "upscale" clubs hate any contact dancers, yet they offer extras and maybe even sex in the VIP rooms. (hypocritical bitches)
I dont understand why someone would deliberately "REMOVE" someone from a room? Hiding something? ::)
I meant to put this post with
Lexi & Deliela's post, I think this is what Deliela meant, I believe there was talk about 2 NJ clubs ( GGR & DD ) with girls fighting don't know if it had anything to do with removing girls from table or bad mouthing anyone or jealousy ? But I've seen fight with girls in so called clique. It went as far as one attacking the other while she was on main stage in just her bikini at Vip Club and it was over a customer. Can you imagine the show the customers got? do you think they enjoyed it? It looks really bad on the club. That's sad.... That's why it's best to be professional and don't act like animals unless you're in bed having sex..... well then let loose.
Diva
Sitara7817
06-05-2004, 03:38 AM
You can never truly understand everything until you work here. . . and chrissy, i dont mean to be evil. . . but you where removed because the guy said he thought your breasts where to big. . (the skin between them hangs down from the weight of them) and your a cold dancer (no passion/feeling/ desire in your movements) not because "we didnt want to do extra"s in front of you" . . .you just like to say that to justify the fact that you where switched up with one of my friends. . . AGAIN like i said. . . i did not say that to be mean. . . only the truth. . . I find it so funny that a good number of you oppose my style. . .although it works perfectly for me and others have witnessed it. . .
I wonder why TheKid is so preoccupied with flame-baiting Sitara...he is certainly living up to his name. I met Sitara, albeit briefly, and not only is she stunning, she is very helpful. I am not looking for a job now, but I appreciated her forthcomingness nonetheless. I think Sitara is very good at her job - management certainly seems pleased with her otherwise why has she always been upstairs the 3 times I've been to PEC?
Let's let this thread die and stop beating a dead horse.
Percise- I dont hussle my friends. . . just like i said before. . . if i pass and i see a girlfriend about to get some money. . . i give her that look. . . if it's a go. . . she will include me. . . if they are not looking for any chocolate . . . she wont. . . i do the same for them. . . that's why we are a TEAM. . . WE WORK TOGETHER. . . we dont hussle each other.
Esmerelda
06-05-2004, 08:02 AM
I have been removed fron this so called group when I was about to get into a room because I dont do extras - they probably were too embarressed to do extras in front of me.
I've had the exact same experience, Chrissy! At my old club, high milage was the norm, so I was "excluded" or worked out of rooms on several occasions because I would never negotiate. :-\ I never promise things to customers to get them into a room (or ever consider giving extras), whereas many other girls did. Not how I work.
While working in groups has definite pluses, I find that the drama that comes with it involves too much hassle. It's strip club drama that I can definitely do without, so I'd much rather work by myself. That way at the end of the day I don't owe anyone anything.
My, how this thread has digressed! ;D
chrissy
06-05-2004, 10:22 AM
I never danced for him ??? How would he know my movements are cold??? I just started to talk to him because he pulled me over. I had a 5 minute conversation with him and he loved me. I was the first girl there becuase his whole group told Edward to go downstairs and get me. Why would they go through all that trouble to get me and say that they love me and then all of a sudden turn cold towards me. Something was said to him to turn him off.
Ebony
06-05-2004, 01:38 PM
Wow this thread has really deteriorated. What was the original subject of this post?
To much internal conflicts going on here. I feel like I'm in a dressing room.
you will make the customer "remove and replace you" is so rude and catty. customers don't like catty women and just may "remove and replace" you! that's fu--ed up Sitara. if i was at a table with customers and you told them to get rid of me-- we would have a HUGE problem-- never mess with a girls cash flow. what goes around.....
This is the reason to be fare with other dancers, things can get out of controll real fast. Yes this is the facts about PES & Scores. You have this information before auditioning. There aren't any real clique's at scores but it happens here too.
Ebony
06-05-2004, 05:32 PM
Am I mistaken or isn't it up to the customer who he takes in to the Champagne Room? Maybe since I have never worked at a club like this I'm in the dark. In my club I'll try to lock down customers and even if I'm doing my set onstage they will just tell the girls who asked them that they are getting dances from me. Rarely will they get impatient. Isn't it all the customers choices and preferences? I kind of understant the hosts job he selects girls to the customers tastes (farily if everone is lucky), but I don't understand the whole remove someone from a table.
Sitara7817
06-05-2004, 08:06 PM
Hey girlie girl. . . ok. . maybe I have not clarified . . . ok. . . we work in groups at PEC. . . remember when you meet me?. . and I showed you my main "working partner"? . . . I just take care of my customers/ girlfriends. . . my customers always ask me who are my friends. . . I tell them. . . and if his friends don’t like the girl that’s around him (for whatever reason, & I am not talking about "extra's" I need to clarify for those who take things out of context!). . . I give him a few options from them and send for her. . .. . . like I said before, they always do the same for me. . . the only time they don't. . . is if he does not like black women. . . all of us go out of our way for each other. . . it a smaller circle; those of us who hang out and talk to each other all the time. . . and a looser group that deal with each other just at work. . . smaller group= 5 girls. . . looser network= 12. . . each group has different kinds (ethnic, blond, latina. . .and so on). . . we really don’t do it to be mean, just to take care of each other . . .
precise
06-06-2004, 01:06 AM
Sitara,
It's Precise, not otherwise. Check the spelling,again.
I work together, TOO. But i'm fair and let more people than you have their chances to get to CR. You simply had no manners and even less personality in your sparkle dress with a purse. Sounds like a pure greed,and not exactly"working together". But, i guess that's a nature of this business,right? As long as you make a bank...
Melonie
06-06-2004, 10:13 AM
I think that the point being missed here is that PEC and Scores 3 piece suit customers will often come in as a group instead of individually. The business model involved is not every dancer competing against every other dancer to sell a specific customer a private dance. Instead the business model is for a group of customers who came into the club together (and obviously know each other well / work with each other ) to hook up with a group of dancers who also know each other well, and move the party to the Champagne room en masse. With this business model, having a dancer who is an "outsider" interjected into the group action causes extra tensions which the group of customers can sense, and often results in the group of customers spending less and leaving sooner.
chrissy
06-06-2004, 12:22 PM
I agree melonie 100% Some of thse people might not come back .Its also in poor taste and class too talk bad about another dancer just to get 'rid' of them from your group.
TinkleLinkle
06-07-2004, 02:04 PM
melonie, you are right, but girls can ACT like they get along --i do it all the time--in front of customers. or the girl can act like she's completely infatuated with her guy and everyone else is invisible. It can work--trust me. I understand Sitara's point of view but she has a way about her that causes conflict--at least from her posts that is. She seems to like having the upper hand in situations, which is good sometimes, but other times it is inappropriate--like in a strip club.. most guys like to be in control and that's why they love strip clubs-- to be doted on and lusted after. Just let the guy pick his own girl, alright. and don't bad mouth other dancers to customers, it is immature, we have to act like we are all friends. we are all in this together, ladies, and we need each other to feel comfortable at work.
Can't we all just get along? LOL!
Sitara7817
06-07-2004, 05:41 PM
i don't bad mouth other girls. . . i just don't comment if THEY do. . . i have nothing to say. . i learned my lesson long ogo about saying anything duragatory about another dancer. . . Chrissy- what i mentioned earlier was said by him. . . not me. . . and maybe i should not have posted it for all of SW, but neither should you spread untruth's about me in regards to "kicking you out so my friends and i could do extra's" Which as i stated earlier, was not the case. . . and also. . . what guy do you know will tell you to your face "exactly what he did not like about you?" he will just get another girl. . . and in the case he said it to my guy. . who said it to me. . . like i said before, i did not mean to hurt you, only only to clear up the truth . .
Brittany
06-07-2004, 08:34 PM
In my mind - everyone here has a point. Sitara is trying to keep things in her group as much as possible in order to have backstabbing, rude, and "extras" girls kept away from the customers she is working (when I have found a good table, I often go and get girls that have the same dancing style as me over to the table first if they say they want more girls).
But Chrissy and the other girls have a point too. No one should arbitrarily try to remove another girl from a table before giving her the benefit of the doubt first. Everyone should be given the chance to be "one of the girls", unless they prove themselves unworthy by being rude, backstabbing, doing extras, etc. This is usually what happens in most clubs, and results in the girls all learning to work together for the most part. If having a group of ten girls improves your money, imagine what a group of 20-30 girls who are able to work tables together will do for your money! It's usually at clubs like this where most of the girls work together that EASY money is made.
It's just too bad that NYC has a lot of "bad apples" due to the amounts of money customers spend there. Girls tend to get greedy and forget that there will always be enough to go around in the end. I remember the "good ol' days" in NYC (about 8-10 yrs. ago) when things weren't this way, everyone seemed to get along and work together, only a FEW of the girls were competitive and jealous, and the clubs were more fun for dancers and customers alike.
Rebuildme
06-07-2004, 10:28 PM
I had an interesting time at Scores last summer. At first they weren't going to let me work because I didn't smile enough, then they changed their mind, I felt so warm and fuzzy. My main annoyances about Scores would be the insane housefee and the feature bullshit (2 dances and a tshirt some crap that gets included in your housefee). I did fairly well on my own but not as well as I could have done if I had kissed ass to the "right" people. There were two very amusing incidents, the first was when I was dancing for someone and I put my dress and my money in a chair that was very close to me and while I was dancing a floor guy walked up and took my money, of course I'm not going to stop my dance....so when I was done I went to the "gentleman" and asked him very politely for my money. I got it back but it made me feel all creepy. Oh yeah and the way their funny money works is annoying; when I was there you had to work to cash it in and you could only get a certain amount, so if you had a kickass night and it was on credit you had to go back to get the rest of your money and the club got more of it for housefee..........oh well it was interesting.
chrissy
06-08-2004, 09:18 AM
i don't bad mouth other girls. . . i just don't comment if THEY do. . . i have nothing to say. . i learned my lesson long ogo about saying anything duragatory about another dancer. . . Chrissy- what i mentioned earlier was said by him. . . not me. . . and maybe i should not have posted it for all of SW, but neither should you spread untruth's about me in regards to "kicking you out so my friends and i could do extra's" Which as i stated earlier, was not the case. . . and also. . . what guy do you know will tell you to your face "exactly what he did not like about you?" he will just get another girl. . . and in the case he said it to my guy. . who said it to me. . . like i said before, i did not mean to hurt you, only only to clear up the truth . .
I wasnt talking about your group doing extras i was talking about others - I know you dont do that. There are other groups that work like this there. When i said I have been removed from these groups I wasnt just pin pointing yours. Ill clarify that now that I didnt mean that you did extras- sorry it came across that way- although I dont like the way you work I dont want to spread rumors that you do thing like that.
Ebony
06-08-2004, 10:00 AM
Back to the main topic during the summer months does it get really slow here in terms of hiring and earnings?
chrissy
06-08-2004, 10:46 AM
Yes its been slow but the clientale is good so its still possible to make money.
Brittany
06-08-2004, 12:18 PM
It's always slow in NYC in the summer. ALWAYS. It's common knowledge, and it's slow for other businesses as well in NYC this time of year. I have never noticed that they made it any harder to get hired during these months though. It's just usually not worth it to go during the summer. It's easier to recoup your travel expenses, and make a big profit other times of the year.
The only place that I have heard is good in the summer is Alaska. I've never been there myself, but worked with a few girls that have and they gave it a good report.
Sitara7817
06-08-2004, 06:17 PM
Chrissy- thanks for being honest. . . and if that happens again i wont get involved. . .and ill include you "on the menu" if someone want a blonde. . . although, i belive i have called you over to say hi in the past. .(thinking)
Ebony- girl, it is slower. . but you have to just find the right one . . . they still are there. . but the night gets started later . . and there are more new girls every day
chrissy
06-09-2004, 08:24 AM
Thank you Sitara- its always better to work togeather.
Ebony
06-09-2004, 11:02 AM
Now slow is relative.. Can you make at least $500 min on any given night still?
chrissy
06-09-2004, 12:42 PM
yeah you can still pull in at least $500 if you dont get a room.
Lexi
I meant that there's talk about a fight and girls jumping a girl at your club mention on this board in regards to another club out there in NJ. I don't know either clubs because I stay in manhattan. How-ever the point is having a girl remove can turn into a fist fight period. The extras does go on in every club period. Weather you or any other dancer does it is their business. I just think every dancer should have a fare chance to make money $$$ period.
Ohh no...the girl from MY club was jumped at ANOTHER club. ;) But we all found out why... anyway thanks for clearing that up. However, I was asking Deileia the question of what she meant. ;) hehe
francesca
06-11-2004, 06:44 AM
I've worked in high-end clubs in Vegas and currently work in a high-end club in Houston. I've been invited to work in NYC and am planning a trip there--I actually have friends in Vegas and Houston who take trips to both places regularly to work.
To my surprise, I actually have regular customers that have specifically asked me to take charge of the table and "pick" dancers or exclude dancers from the group. I have a few friends who I try to find in these occassions, but I am certainly not part of any "clique."
And there have been some ugly and/or dumb-ass girls at the table but I still have never kicked them off the table in lieu of my buddies.
However, I've not been at my current club for long, only a few months, and although I get along well with everyone, I don't fit into the cliques that rule the place. And I've mostly been on the other end of this phenomenon--of cocktail servers and dancers bringing "their girls" in and I wasn't part of their group. I think this is a closed-minded and rediculous way to do business.
Well, I'm not an ugly girl and I'm not shy or conservative, and I'm not nasty either, and I can certainly hold a converstation. Not to mention I tip well (I'm from Vegas, I can't help it). I'm just new compared to a lot of the other dancers. I resist when I know I'm being pushed out, as long as I was there first and established a relationship with the customer, and I've made some sick money doing so.
I simply refuse to be pushed out--other dancers come to replace me, and I just won't get up--because I know I can hold my own in the customers' eyes--even the experienced customer who places the charge of the table into an experienced dancer's care.
Most experienced SC guys aren't stupid and even in the dark they can tell if a girl is stupid or ugly (caveat: most, not always). I've seen guys get pissed that a cocktail server or dancer brought her girls in and they were obligated to pay for their time even if they didn't feel it was worth it.
Sure, it's good to take care of each other, but when a deserving person is there first, don't bring your butt-ugly friend in to replace someone just because you don't know them. Just because you don't know our face doesn't mean we can't help you make money, too.
If you are one of those bitches, I can guarantee you when you approach my big money table you WILL be excluded. And you already have.
i wasn't gonna say anthing thing but this thread is getting rediculous ....sound like some elementary school nonesense ...."oh s/he is not our friend so don't give them any candy"....blah....why would a grown person/woman wanna be bothered with a freaking clique ...on one hand i can see what you are saying about helping out each other, but on the other hands it sounds so stupid and childlike ....could you imagine if we had our own stripperweb clique....."oh its our thread and they are not our friends so they are not welcome to post in here" ....i talking from the outside looking in ...childish.....just plain childish ....no other words to discribe it .....there i've said my piece
The_Kid
06-11-2004, 12:46 PM
Cash- Childish or not, many girls at both PEC & Scores
work in "packs" ( take it easy ladies- just a figure of speech ). To ME , it's pathetically obvious when they are doing so and generally it's a complete & total turn- off
for a host of reasons but primarily it puts me on
HIGH ALERT for "hustling" and it gives me a rebuttable
impression that I'm dealing with immature/ insecure
dancers. I like confident, secure women who can take care of their own business and are capable of going to the Ladies room by themselves. I don't need to go to
a strip club to deal with a "gaggle" of women. In fact, one of the reasons I like to go to strip clubs is to avoid
that whole hassle.
NinaDaisy
06-12-2004, 01:19 AM
Cash- Childish or not, many girls at both PEC & Scores
work in "packs" ( take it easy ladies- just a figure of speech ). To ME , it's pathetically obvious when they are doing so and generally it's a complete & total turn- off
for a host of reasons but primarily it puts me on
HIGH ALERT for "hustling" and it gives me a rebuttable
impression that I'm dealing with immature/ insecure
dancers. I like confident, secure women who can take care of their own business and are capable of going to the Ladies room by themselves. I don't need to go to
a strip club to deal with a "gaggle" of women. In fact, one of the reasons I like to go to strip clubs is to avoid
that whole hassle.
Is this an absolute? I don't really work in "packs", but there are a few girls that I work well with that I will occasionally pair off with, or if I sit with a group will bring over someone I think they'll like IF requested and no one is there first.
Nothing wrong with choosing people you work well with, but excessive cronyism can be a turnoff to guys. It's good to have a business-like mind when dancing, but since our business is showing guys a good time, the pack mentality may often do the opposite when taken to the extreme.
The_Kid
06-14-2004, 11:58 AM
Let me try to clarify. No, it is NOT an absolute. No, there is nothing wrong with dancers who work well together
"pairing off" which btw can often work well for dancer
& customer alike. I'm talking about dancers who "invite"
other dancers to join a scene WITHOUT checking to
see if that's alright with the customer as opposed to
SUGGESTING that a particular dancer be INVITED to
join in. Forgive me for being blunt but it can be like dealing with a group of 4 or 5 women in a regular night
club. You meet 2 real cuties, 1 or 2 average and their
"ugly,fat friend". O.K., in a straight night-club setting
I'll try to be a gentleman and understand that her friends are not going to abandon "Ethel" just to hang out with me and my friends BUT in a strip club setting ?
Uh Uh. The strippers aren't there to do charity work and
neither am I.If a stripper wants to sit at my table
because 2 or 3 of her friends are there- that's fine.
But she's taking the same chance of getting turned
down as any other dancer. Maybe more so if she just
sat down uninvited. And in the worst case scenario if
I catch a dancer shooting "signals" to her friends
to come on over and SHE invites them to sit down
as opposed to showing us the courtesy of ASKING or
at least saying something like " this is my friend Chrystal, may she join us- do we have room" or somesuch; chances are she's going to have a
relatively short and unprofitable stay.
VenusGoddess
06-14-2004, 02:03 PM
Do they let dancers fly in and work certain days? What are their hiring procedures? Are there required work schedules? What are the closest most inexpensive places to stay while in town?
I am really interested...but just needed some additional facts. :D
Sitara7817
06-17-2004, 11:22 AM
Francesca- you take it the wrong way. . . this is the way PEC is. . .the host and dancers created the situation themselves. . i did not become that way until i came here, and found the other girls doing it. . . so why not have my own group of girls to work with? you honestly make more money this way. . .
VenusGoddess- weeeellllll. . .. if you make a good impression(make big money for yourself and the club). . . you can get away with coming in on the best days. . . aud- come in and be dressed and ready by eight. . . hiring- wear something glitzy! they love a show. . . Housing- ill tell you the hotel in a pm. . . (can't have customers looking for us!. . .lol. . )
The Kid- why must my girlfriends be ugly? . .i gurantee that they are not. . .. and i don't bring over any girlfriends if he is happy. .i only offer him different choices (ex-what kind of girl does he want) IF he is unhappy. . . iv found out that if one guy is not happy in the group, they will most likly not go in the room. .(ex- telling his friends he does not want to go, making excuses) . im only giving him options to speed up the process. . . also you have seen me yourself. . . although when you did, you neglected to introduce yourself! . . . tisk, tisk!