View Full Version : Contact Dancers: How do You Feel About Contact?
polecat
04-01-2004, 01:13 PM
It seems to me that the typical ( not all ) customer respects the contact dancer more, just take a look over at SCJ :-\ there are several of them that say they wont buy an air dance at all.
Sadly to me it looks like a few of them maybe even go so far view a no extras dance as completly worthless
Thats obviously not a true representation of the overall customer base since air dances are bought everyday... but it does make me wonder
The same base of voters on SCJ also voted strongly for all choices where "mileage" was the last concern on the looks, personality, mileage poll. With the least concern being "mileage" yet a strong discord of air dances- one might think this is a conflict, but in reality it speaks volumes towards the real point.
A desire for contact I'd figure would be a unanimous thing, as it has been shown. So while you may see unity across the customer base for contact, the similarities stop there.
Air dances are at least partially subliminally disrespectful and dehumanizing. Keeping 4' distance from another human gives the feeling of being diseased, plagued or otherwise unsavory. Humans are comfortable with hand contact, hugs or even a close twirl on the dance floor with total strangers, yet in non-contact stripclubs four feet of distance maintained feels awkward. Aside from the misogynist creeps, even the upper-scale gown club customers sipping champagne would be satiated with their hostess sitting next to them and even an arm draped over versus them sitting across the table. It's a normal and very human thing. It seems no-contact is punishing everyone for the customers with bad BO, horrible breath, inappropriately dressed or who are grabby and rude.
So while everyone may be all for contact, it doesn't mean everyone intends to grope, fondle or lick anything... some do, but not all.
Tigerlilly
04-01-2004, 01:41 PM
Air dances are at least partially subliminally disrespectful and dehumanizing. Keeping 4' distance from another human gives the feeling of being diseased, plagued or otherwise unsavory.
I was an air dancer for most of my dancing career and I never saw a 4 foot distance being the norm in any of the clubs in which I worked. Yes, there are some distance laws of 6 feet, 2 feet etc, but that just isnt the reality of what happens. Air dances ( as I saw them done over the course of 7+ years in several parts of the US) were done inches away from the customer for the most part, not several feet.
I also have a big problem with customers blaming and punishing dancers for not doing contact in no contact clubs. >:(
I tried contact dancing and HATED it , but it did open my eyes and mind and helped me tame my tendency to be judge others so it was a good experience after all.
Bridgette
04-01-2004, 03:42 PM
gosh...with the dances you are doing...I'm pretty damn sure that you are making 1K a night....if that's the amount of money that it takes to compensate you and make you feel as though the "job" is worthwhile...I'm so very glad that you are able to make it and be happy.
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that they don't have to do this in order to make money
If that's not a condescending attitude I don't know what is. The kind of dances I'm doing? Geez you make it sound like I'm fucking all the customers or something. Don't have to do this to make money? No, probably not. They could also flip burgers or run stuff through a scanner and make change all day for minimum wage. Or they could TRY and get hired at one of the squeaky clean clubs where all they have to do is let guys appreciate their 'work of art' LOL but then, those clubs can't possibly employ all dancers. The simple reality is that 99% of customers don't go to those clubs, won't ever, and they aren't paying to visit an art gallery when they go to a titty bar! Most of us are at least ok with what we're doing, after all we make the choice to do it.
However....there is a HUGE difference in letting people TOUCH this body and just letting them LOOK at it.
You can pay to see a performance artist do her "thing" but you can't pay to touch, degrade, debase, or exploit that same artist....I have the same bounderies.
BIG BIG difference between letting someone just look at me as a work of art or as something beautiful to be appreciated, and letting guys touch and feel and get off to my body...BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!
Remember these are YOUR morals. Other people don't appreciate being judged by YOUR morals, the same as you don't appreciate other people looking down at you because you take your clothes off. For LOTS of people, just taking their clothes off in public for strangers is degrading, debasing, and being exploited.
Yeah I got a tad defensive. I'm thinking there are other girls here feeling the same way, they just don't say anything. This is a diverse world and not everyone shares the same ideals.
>>Added: You refer to the members of the religious right as the ones who feel the mere act of taking your clothes off for money is immoral. Well I'm here to tell you there are far more people than the extreme religious right who feel that way. I've known and met alot of them, who would be considered very liberal by religious right standards, but they still feel disrobing for money is wrong. Also in your references your attitude comes off implying that those people's beliefs are wrong and/or ridiculous. Well I feel that your morals are wrong and ridiculous for me. The point I'm trying to make is stated above, not everyone shares the same ideals, what's right for you isn't right for everyone else.
Ferrari
04-01-2004, 03:47 PM
I totally agree, Bridgette... :thumbsup:
miabella
04-01-2004, 06:39 PM
as much as i'd like to be brittany in my stripping adventures (the girl who doesn't do much, but still makes piles of money), i've come to understand that in sex work of any sort as in life, all the girls can't do that. it doesn't mean some might not want to get away with it, it only means that due to scarcity, you'll never have a scenario where all the girls get to play untouchable artwork and still make lots of money.
with stripping as high-volume as it is presently, though my personal goal is maximum sales skill and minimum contact, every girl out there cannot possibly have the right combo of looks+sensual/sexual appeal+sales skill to get out of having to occasionally offer contact to make above average to excellent money.
it's because the other girls are doing more that brittany CAN bank doing less. perhaps it's just my impressions from this site and the clubs i've been in, but a common thread is that most girls who make lots of money don't do it off 20 or 30 guys a night-- they do it off less than half a dozen. no way is there enough wealth to support all the girls who choose to get naked for money under such circumstances. basically the other girls subsidize her no/low contact behavior. it's the sadly more rare upside of no-contact girls subsidizing high-contact girls. other girls could take her stance successfully if, say, 3/4 of all strippers just up and quit tomorrow and no replacements turned up. but until then, a few girls will have the luxury of no/low contact, and the rest will have variant levels ranging from low to high contact to deal with in order to make money. and this assumes all strippers want no contact ideally, disregarding the women who like low or medium or even high contact because they prefer to touch their customers.
Bridgette
04-02-2004, 05:03 AM
I have always said, and I continue to say, that if a stripper doesn't like her job, she should change it. Period. I have also always said that strippers should keep within their own boundaries / comfort zones. If a girl is grinding or getting fondled or sucking cock under the table or whatever to make her money and she isn't comfortable with it, she needs a good hard slap in the face (not literally...) and to rethink her priorities, to say the least. I have seen my share of girls doing the nasty for some shithead and then being upset / crying about it later. It is stupid IMO, and anyone who thinks they have no other choice should not be wearing the stilettos!
I don't disagree with you in theory, but the reality is still that most girls cannot make decent money in this biz offering zero contact. It is just not going to happen. There is too much competition and that is not going to change. Even if everyone suddenly started doing air dances, most would revert back to contact eventually because there is so much competition (far more now than in the 90s when contact was less prevalent). Also most girls in this biz don't have quite the issue with contact that you do - most aren't really bothered by low-medium contact or one-way contact in my experience, so if they find they make better money by offering some level of contact, they're going to do so.
ALL of the girls I've seen upset or feeling bad about something they'd done for a customer were doing way more than simple lapdancing. I am quite sure these girls will have issues long after they hang up their heels. But I believe that most of us who stick within boundaries where we're comfortable will be just fine later on. I reiterate that any stripper who does something for money she's not comfortable with needs to re-evaluate.
I do also agree that most girls could learn to make the money doing some degree less than what they currently do if they have the desire and drive. I'm talking mainly about those doing high contact and extras now, but theoretically even low-medium contact girls could as well. But in reality most girls don't have the drive to do so, or like me, they don't mind offering certain levels of contact and are happy with their situations. So they most likely would see a decrease in earnings if they tried to change.
I believe that if all level of contact is removed from the equation, so will be most customers and their dollars. This business is not even comparable to what it was 10 years ago. Too many managers willing to look the other way, too many clubs, too many girls, too many customers used to getting contact. Competition leads to increased service in any business. In our business, that means increased mileage for the most part. Customers aren't going to stop demanding contact if the supply dries up. If all girls stopped offering contact, customers would still want it and would either use luring tactics (as they already do) to get what they want or stop spending. Then some girls would start supplying again because maybe they weren't having any luck elsewhere at the moment, or the rent's due or whatever. Customers would spend more money more easily on these girls. Before you know it more girls would start again because they see the others doing it and making more money. So a few girls will always be able to make money offering low or no contact by separating themselves from the pack, but the pack is still going to have to get on it so to speak.
Brittany, I think I've been pretty civil throughout this debate, so please don't mistake some minor defensiveness as an attack. I do feel you've displayed a degree of elitism on this subject, and I admit I find that annoying as do many girls. I can read and understand very well what you say, but the attitude I'm seeing comes from not so much what you say, but how you say it. Certainly I can disagree with someone and not have personal issue with them. Hopefully you can do the same.
Brittany
04-02-2004, 05:58 AM
I guess here we will have to agree to disagree Bridgette.....
Yes, I have seen girls get upset over doing lapdances. Yes, in my experience most of them don't last long in the biz if they are lapdancers.
I do disagree that most girls are happy offering contact, most would prefer it if they didn't feel that they had to do so for the money (here we will have to agree to disagree)
I also must disagree with the implication that most no-contact as-a-rule girls look down their noses at contact dancers...most "clean" dancers that I have known don't think badly of you guys, though some that I have met (and these were mainly girls in NYC and Chicago, again...my personal experience), looked down completely on contact dancers to the point where they looked down on anyone who would even work in a club where there was contact, even if they weren't doing it.
Now....do I wish the girls who continually dry-hump some guys in the hopes of doing the dance to ummm "completion".....would get a clue? Hell yeah, I do...I'll admit to that, but I don't think that this girl is less of a person to me (even if she's enjoying it). I have nothing against prostitutes at all...what someone does behind closed doors is their own business. Do I wish I didn't have to see breast-feeding, fondling, fingering, and the occasional bj every time I go to work? Hell yeah, I do.....I wish all of these girls would just get rolodexes and be escorts somewhere so I wouldn't have to watch it when I went to work. I'm just not that big into watching other people doing sex-acts I guess...don't like to even watch porn (unless I'm making fun of how fake it is..lol) These are the things I have to see where I work...it's much more than the girl who does the three second rule when she grinds...lol
I will AGREE with you - however (hallelujah!) that some form of contact is necessary in this business. Even "air" dancers will touch the customers arms, shoulders as they lean up to him, etc. I also don't think air dancers are given enough credit here....to do an air dance and still have a satisfied customer at the end of it...is a WORK OF ART in progress...all the eye-contact, the sincerity, not to mention..learning how to (how did someone put it here?) twirl around and around in front of guy - without it seeming boring, trite, or unfeeling.
I do see a trend (as some other girls on this board have attested to) of a back-lash occuring in some parts of the country. More and more city governments are getting tired of the amount of contact going on in the local clubs. Sooner before later more and more girls are going to have to be doing less contact to avoid getting into trouble when the vice comes in after new ordinances are passed. I've been in clubs in cities where the guys came in and just started handing out tickets to girls who were grinding, letting customers touch them, etc. These girls now have this on their permanent records. I feel safe with the knowledge that dancing the way I do no matter where I am, I won't be getting one of these tickets (I once had a TABC officer watch me the entire time I did a dance in VIP in a club in Texas as the club was being raided, to no avail....heh heh.
And no....I wasn't taking your defensiveness as an attack...just wondering why it was there, and why a different point of view than your own was being met with such antagonism. I saw the personal issue going on here to be with you against me, and not the other way around. I don't have any problem with you doing what you do (as in my mind you are a low to medium contact dancer), as you probably wouldn't have any problem with me coming into your club and being a no - to low contact dancer...lol...
Allthough you would be surprised...I was at work the other day, and a girl dancing next to me that came over from another club looked at me doing a dance (she was just sitting there with the other guy) and said "Get on it girl! Jump it and ride it already!".....I mean really.....I calmly explained to her that I just don't ever do that. The customer I was dancing for then promptly paid me $80 for the two dances I had just done in a row....and I was off to do more dances at the next table for the next song...ah, revenge is sweet...lol
diana
04-02-2004, 08:45 AM
I have to allow it if I want to make big money
devilkitty
04-02-2004, 02:22 PM
i little off the subject but i love bubba i literally grew up listening to him on the power pig 93.3,he got kicked off there.i havent heard anything lately because i dont listen to the radio anymore.oh well
polecat
04-02-2004, 09:50 PM
Brittany-
Just drop it, will ya'? There is no reading miscomprehension going on because the kind of attitude you give off is one of high-horse, prima donna. Considering yourself pedestalized enough to be seen/not-touched or that customers aren't good enough to put their grubby hands anywhere on your person aren't traditionally well-liked principles in stripclubs and definately not a high selling point.
I'm totally with you on the fact that NO dancer (or any woman for that matter) should ever, ever have their boundries breached by customers, adopt a policy of "most revenue for least amount of work", nor do anything that makes them uncomfortable. If this is a problem, dancers should switch clubs, move to a new region or get out of the biz. This biz is obviously not for everyone and it takes incredibly strong will, high self-esteem and unbending spirit to work the clubs.
You are advocating completely and utterly false expectations to newer girls, and in the process creating a model that requires 46 million to one odds to get the perfect balance of hustle, region, salespersonship, club model, customer type ratio and customer expectations in order to achieve what you have been achieving. It's negligent and condescending to advocate such insanely rare conditions AS IF they are models that can lead to success coast to coast or for every stripper/exotic dancer.
In terms of an analogy, you're basically someone that has won the lottery (.. or bullshitting) and advocating that everyone can too. It's unrealistic, builds the wrong expectations, and is unfair to the women busting their ass everywhere and providing one-way or limited two-way contact in order to get their sales as the dynamic for their club or region insists upon. Moreover, women that are comfortable with this and are making decent money should be in no way discouraged that what they are doing is somehow "dirty" or "unsavvy".. I'd like to see how well your "look but don't touch" principle would get you in San Francisco. You'd be pick-pocketing the panhandlers outside for spare change to make stage-fees.
And yeah- if I were one of Bridgette's co-workers, I'd hate her guts too. It would be a constant source of jealousy for how hot she is, how the customers all think she's a great person and how she banks.
Pryce
04-03-2004, 12:45 AM
:sweep:
polecat
04-03-2004, 01:36 AM
Hrmm.. Brittany had a reply I read that was in place of the above street sweeper edit.. it only existed for a couple of minutes. I felt it was well worded and had some very good, heart felt effort put into it. I'm very sorry it was deleted... and I feel absolutely aweful that a reply to my post was deleted, while my original that inspired it still stands. I'm sorry Brittany since that is very unfair to you.
Off the top- I appologize for the spirit of my last post as it didn't come out as constructive as I'd hoped. The intent wasn't to accuse Brittany of being a prima-donna/high-horse directly, but pointing out that was a fairly naturally perceived air from her posts.. which is surely unintentional on her part.
Her reply brought two things of importance to clarify:
-An assumption that I'm an SF/contact seeker, which I am not. I'm an ex-bouncer that has followed dancer friends from club to club. If I had it my way, there would be substantially less contact between dancers and customers.
-My inclusion "(.. or bullshitting..)" was not an insinuation or accusal of her lieing about her earnings. It was only to be complete and list all the possibilities for the given lottery analogy (people lie about winning the lottery all the time.. I'm sure dancers have known many heh). I will clearly state that I have absolutely NO doubt Brittany does as she says, and did not mean any intention of accusing her portrayals as being lies. Brittany has made it very clear she considers her situation/geographic very lucky.
I hope these will resolve or at least semi-relieve some of the grievances given in the deleted reply. I appreciate the reply since it did notify of several issues from which I didn't have any intentions of giving, but can see now they could be easily interpretted as such. Once again, I'm very sorry.
NekkoStarz
04-03-2004, 03:12 AM
I work at a medium contact club. While we're on stage the guys can't touch us AT ALL... it can only be one way. Then while we sit we usually will play with them by a friendly hand on the knee or thigh... but don't really let them touch. But, when we take them back to the lapdance area... 2 way touching's allowed. But only what we say is ok... the only rules the club has are (of course) ::) the guy can't bring his junk out or imphasize it (does anyone get that?), no touching the genital area, anus area, & our thongs stay on. The dancers at my club have different comfort levels. Mine - I'd say - would be normal... I usually only let them touch my legs, butt, hips, stomach, and back. Unless they're really nice with tips & whatnot... then I'll let them touch my nipple rings for a very short snipit. LOL, I think it's a fun tease! :D Hm, - yeah I think that's all I have to say.
scorpio
04-03-2004, 11:23 AM
sorry to say, but the reputation that strippers get for being "dirty sluts" is because of high contact/grinding dancers. It makes the clean girls jobs harder. My friends will always say "that girl must be a slut, she let me feel her ass...I wonder how many other dudes she lets in her pants.."
This is not to insult anyone, but the next time you girls complaine that people think you are in a dirty or low profession, you have no one to blame but yourselves (if you are a contact girl)
polecat
04-03-2004, 12:33 PM
My friends will always say "that girl must be a slut, she let me feel her ass...I wonder how many other dudes she lets in her pants.."
In the south bay, where contact is not allowed and distance is enforced, the guys say they are sluts for wiggling their bare tits to anyone waving a dollar. In the nude juice bar, they are sluts because they'll show their pussy to anyone that walks through the front door.
To the shallow, misogynist creep portion of the customer base- strippers are going to cast as sluts, tramps, whores and referenced as promiscuous no matter what. Men that do this feel entitled to the ego boost it affords them as they feel it goes along with paying for the experience. This portion of the customer base doesn't go to strip clubs to see pretty women and patronize them; they go in order to release their misogynist aggression.
Oh here we go again...
Ya know what? The clean dancers can stay clean in their clean clubs, and the contact or so called "dirty dancers" can stay at theirs.
I love how condescending everyone is when it comes to a contact dancer (Im talking of one who doesnt provide extras)
Its so funny how we all talk shit about each other but the rest of the normal world sees us ALL the same. LOL I find it hysterical. lmao
GoldCoastGirl
04-03-2004, 04:31 PM
I'm with you Lexi.... whether we provide no contact or high contact.. it doesn't really matter in the end.
I was 'raised' in a moderate to high contact environment... so I personally have no problems with that type of lap dancing. It does have its place. I quit that environment only because I want to experience other environments.... where there might be the same or less contact than what I was 'raised' (as a stripper) doing.
I personally don't see the 'no to light' contact dancers above those of us who do not mind providing moderate to high contact dances.... each person is an individual and hence each person has their own tolerances.
Remember people TO EACH THEIR OWN. There is no 'right or wrong' in this way... just each person's opinions.
;D
Pan Dah, I hear ya. LOL I know about the arrows, but I just think that it doesnt matter. Obviously if I worked in an upscale club with no contact I would do "JUST THAT" and abide by the rules. Same as where there is contact, I will abide by rules. I would never do extras, even if they were rampant in the club. Thats one line I wont cross, BUT I do think its silly that people still degrade girls who do contact dances. Who cares? if a dancer is ok with contact, provided that its ok in the club, what is she doing wrong?
Pan Dah, btw, I love pandas and koala bears. lol
SaraNLA
04-03-2004, 07:30 PM
It's true Lexi, we are seen the same by everyone unless they become familiar with stripclubs & begin drawing distinctions between contact clubs and no contact clubs. I think your average customer and non-strip club customer are too busy with their own lives to spend much time on the issue. They are either oblivious to the whole thing or tend to put all dancers in one category. So if someone feels that dancers are "sluts" or "prostitutes", that's not gonna change whether this dancer works at a high-class or working-class club. That's why I feel in one sense Britney is lucky in that she works at a no-contact club and makes good money there, but on the other hand I feel sorry for her, because most guys would laugh at the "my body is a work of art" thing. A stripper is a stripper is a stripper to most of them. Not breaking the rules of your own club is excellent advice (obviously!) and even further, having the courage to do only what YOU are comfortable with (which may be a lot less than your co-worker). Anyway, I like Britney's encouragement on doing all the other positive things to make more money because I think they are true!
Just curious as to what the person who started this whole thread thinks of all that has been discussed....
oceana
04-03-2004, 10:03 PM
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Remember people TO EACH THEIR OWN. There is no 'right or wrong' in this way... just each person's opinions.
;D
I totaly agree GCG..
... since I don't do any feature shows anymore and I have to stay in one town I have no choice but to do lap dancing. That is all what's in my area.
So what to do? I get use to it..
...besides whats wrong if you actually touch someone or someone touchs you? Maybe they are lonely men who wants to feel close to someone? Whats wrong with that..many times I feel like I am therapist :optimist:.
What I have problem with is that some girls and boys don't have any bounderies... :pessimist: And club owners are pretending like nothing is going on... :blindfold:
With contact dance you have to have a high selfesteem to say no to stuff that bothers you. But still make the $$$. :cool: And girls who are able to do that... good for them!!!
GoldCoastGirl
04-03-2004, 11:36 PM
Pan Dah, btw, I love pandas and koala bears. lol
;) Being an Australian.. and since the Koala is one of my country's native animals... I just had to correct this:
It is just Koala. Not Koala Bear.
Sorry... saying that as well as saying that New Zealand is just part of Australia (New Zealand is its own country) is just two things I have to correct alot of Americans about... ;D 8)
hahaah GCG, thanks for that correction! ;)
So I love panda bears and koalas! hehehe
daphned
04-05-2004, 10:55 AM
:P :-* :'(
Girls need to stop letting dudes touch them for money. its nasty. i make lots of money and no one even touches my legs in the private room......
Slutty girls should be escorts.
Ferrari
04-05-2004, 12:13 PM
:P :-* :'(
Girls need to stop letting dudes touch them for money. its nasty. i make lots of money and no one even touches my legs in the private room......
Slutty girls should be escorts.
Wow! Thanks for the advice... :sarcastic:
Katrine
04-05-2004, 02:04 PM
Daphned!! :argue:
you need to stop using my avatar, you are doing it a huge disservice, especially with your bullshit prudeness. That sexy hip has been touched many times, and is quite pleased with itself!! :sly:
Kat (I swear I am going to stick a fist up one of these bitches's ass if they don't stop judging the girls here!!) :grumpy:
>:( >:(
Emily
04-05-2004, 02:55 PM
So it comes down to contact....that is the defining factor between a dirty stripper and a clean stripper.
would a massuesse, tailor, or cosmetician or basically anyone that has physical customers/clients as part of their daily occupation a dirty whore? I mean, why is our contact dirty? Because guys get aroused by it? Well, that's their problem.
Ferrari
04-05-2004, 03:02 PM
This person is trying to get a rise out of us...I don't know why she's talking about how much money she makes. According to her, she's not even a dancer anymore. ???
Check out her thread in body business about dancers needing lipo. Apparently, she's much smarter than all of us, too... :laughing: :laughing:
Miss Jessica
04-05-2004, 03:07 PM
I feel the same about low to medium contact, and that's IF I like the guy/grl.
blondhottie
04-05-2004, 03:54 PM
:P :-* :'(
Girls need to stop letting dudes touch them for money. its nasty. i make lots of money and no one even touches my legs in the private room......
Slutty girls should be escorts.
Too bad we can't smite people anymore. ::)
Bridgette
04-05-2004, 04:02 PM
Well I thought I made an acceptable response to Brittany's post, but I guess it got deleted....
I was basically saying something along the lines of what others here have said - the mere contact (no extras and nothing outside of club rules/standards) makes me a dirty dancer? LOL! One thing I'm sure of, outside of this forum, I have never been called a dirty dancer! LMAO!
erotictonic
04-05-2004, 04:44 PM
:P :-* :'(
Girls need to stop letting dudes touch them for money. its nasty. i make lots of money and no one even touches my legs in the private room......
Slutty girls should be escorts.
Slutty girls should be escorts????? wtf?
Just because someone allows touching does NOT mean they wish to allow penetration or anything close to it. There is obviously a place in this profession for girls who allow touching but nothing else. Slutty is YOUR opinion, as is the rest of this post, of course. You have your right to this opinion, but I find it close-minded personally. There are plenty of people out there who think of you as slutty.
Its the same slutty girls who work regular jobs who have sex with guys every day of the week and then have the nad sack to call us whores. LOL
Shit, I have only been with one guy so far (and I am 23) and I choose to keep it that way. I am far from a slut, thank you very much.
blondhottie
04-05-2004, 06:09 PM
Its the same slutty girls who work regular jobs who have sex with guys every day of the week and then have the nad sack to call us whores. LOL
LOL That is so true! There are girls with "normal" jobs that hang out at the regular bars 3-4 nights a week. These girls will get drunk and go home with any guy that buys them drinks or gives them the time of day. Then they turn around and call strippers sluts and whores. I think a lot of these girls are just jealous because they don't have the looks or the courage to do what we do.
NinaDaisy
04-06-2004, 12:34 AM
I was a pariah in my small private college because I danced, and yet I saw countless female classmates get drunk and perform sex acts for free that they mistakenly thought I performed for money. The human race is rife with hypocrisy.
I've worked at many different clubs, although I've never yet tried working at one of the big-PEC style showbars. My personal preference is one-way medium contact. I've posted on other threads about bad experinces I've had attempting to work at high contact clubs.
I made about $150-$300 a shift in DC stage dancing only fully nude with zero contact, but it was when I started traveling that I realized that some of the rumors of dancer money were in fact true! I've had some $60 nights, but it was nice to travel and average $500-$700 doing medium contact lapdances and VIP's. I'm a fairly good hustler, so If I could have zoned out and dealt with the high contact lapdances I probably could have banked at those places, but I've found a great happy medium. $500 is a good average.
The irony for me is that nearly all the nights that I have topped $1K (about half a dozen total, I tell the truth kids!) were with guys that I mostly talked to who didn't really expect any contact for their money.
I don't judge the high-contact girls, I just wish that clubs would be consistent about enforcing contact levels so that the competition isn't messed up by a high contact girl coming to work in a low contact club.
Pixie
04-06-2004, 09:49 AM
My problem with the club where I used to work was that the club/state rules demanded 3 feet of distance between the dancer and the customer, but the other girls ignored that completely and gave (generally) medium contact dances. Another club near us had been busted for contact, but that didn't stop the girls in mine. It was impossible for me to get repeat dances at the beginning, then one of the other girls showed me dance moves which happened to involve contact. I hadn't discovered Stripperweb, so I took her advice--I did make more money, but I was constantly nervous that I'd get busted and arrested.
I didn't mind low-contact dances, or even medium-contact, but I would really have liked to be in a low-to-medium contact club to do those dances. I didn't realize that there was possibly another way to make money (though, at my blue-collar club, they were not looking for good conversation), so I just imitated the other girls.
Blade
04-06-2004, 01:35 PM
why oh why are all y'all fighting? I will turn this message board around right now and take you all home where I will send each and every single one of you to your rooms if you don't stop this right now!
gosh I hate when I have to use my dad voice.
suprgrl22
06-08-2008, 11:22 PM
I've worked primarily in one club just outside of Savannah, GA "over the bridge" in South Carolina. For me, it was the best one i ever worked at. NO contact was ever allowed. (That's not to say it didn't happen.) I personally didn't allow any contact. However, lap dances here are different from most other places apparently. Grinding is the norm. The majority of the lap dance is spent in a variety of positions with the girl grinding. If the girl doesn't grind at all then she makes very little because its the norm down here. The first time I went to a place that said you had to have atleast one foot on the ground at all times I was like, well how I am supposed to give a lap dance then? Lol. We didn't have three second rules either.
The only thing I ever did was make out with a fellow dancer who was also my best friend so it didn't really bother me at all. A few times when sitting on a guys lap facing him he might try to touch my ankles or calves but its easy to just get up and shift to a new position.
Malena69
06-09-2008, 12:47 AM
I've only worked at high contact places and so I started off that way. And I know a lot of the girls around the area like to work at the high contact places because they made more money there then at a lot of the low contact places. since i only worked high contact places pretty much ive actually kind of been shocked about how most of the dancers here seem to be no contact to very low contact. we also had a minimum number of drinks u had to sell and so not drinking was not an option at all. though now im getting off the subject.
bebewood
06-09-2008, 02:53 AM
Personally, I've never seen any sense in doing contact dances. I too have worked in no-contact gown clubs as well as in high-contact clubs...and to tell you the truth, I've done the same table dance in both. No grinding, no tits on the face, no "extras" touching . And I have consecutively been one of the bigger money makers in the higher-contact clubs I've worked at in Texas.
I think that just about any girl COULD make money being as clean as me provided she was a good hustler, smart, energetic, and persistent. As many articles and previous posts on this site claim, the girls who often do the "extras" are girls who are looking for the lazy way out or who for some reason aren't smart enough (or just haven't been in the biz long enough) to realize that they really DON'T have to dance that way to earn money.
I honestly don't think that girls can actually feel good about grinding their butt against some strange man's hard-on....but then you never know...different strokes for different folks. I'm sure some girls will come back with comments that they know they can make money without having to grind or rub their tits on men's faces, but they choose NOT to because it's fun for them...sigh....as I said...different strokes for different folks...
But after over ten years of dancing....I have YET to see a dancer that grinded or allowed touching who has been able to stick it out in the biz as long as I have. I have also NEVER met anyone who gave extras who was still okay with the fact that they used to do that for money after they had been out of the biz for a while. Not saying that there isn't this type of girl out there, just saying that in my experience, I have never met one.
really? the girls who make the most money at the clubs i work at are huge grinders. i dont know how they keep a guy buying more songs, youd think hed cum from all the grinding after two songs. maybe its my location but you have to grind to get any repeat dances here, not as much as the girls im talking about do though.
i guess im jaded because id ont care about contact (as long as his hands seem clean)
what i will not tolerate is kissing, nibbling, licking, touching my pubic area, and sucking on my breasts, all things which apparantly a lot of girls where I live are okay with and do for free. i am seriously boggled at how many guys seem to think that "feeding" is part of the deal when they do a dance.
bebewood
06-09-2008, 03:06 AM
Lexi,when you give scores or pec a try,let me know if you still feel the same way( disrespected by cutomers),I dont believe you will feel that way when you are in vip earning 400-600 an hour to just sit,have wonderful conversation and sip on crystal or maybe some lobster or filet mignon,I think you will have a change of heart.Rayana come on you are smarter than to take what some guys on some board are saying as gospel,well ,I dont go on any other sites and most business men are not sitting on some site talking about contact dances and the like.All I can do is qoute things from my experience,but when I did work in a light lap dance club I was highly respected by my fellow dancers,customers and management,for being a clean dancer.
i have heard about this no dancing champagne room thing happening but, i have never seen it. why would guys pay over 400 an hour to talk to a girl? do the girls in NYC not talk on the floor? is it just billionaires who just like showing off? i wish that was common here :-(
CuriousSeeker
06-09-2008, 05:13 AM
it was nice to travel and average $500-$700 doing medium contact lapdances and VIP's. I'm a fairly good hustler, so If I could have zoned out and dealt with the high contact lapdances I probably could have banked at those places, but I've found a great happy medium. $500 is a good average.
Nina, where were the areas that you made this kind of money with medium contact?
ediblecrayonz
06-09-2008, 06:31 AM
I'm currently trying to get used to a no contact environment, coming from a low contact one. I liked the one with a little bit higher contact better. None of it was dirty, but nonetheless I could do more moves, and keep the customer wanting more with slight grazes. i.e. my favorite: gently running my nose from one cheek, over the bridge of his nose, onto the other cheek, while looking into his eyes with my mouth hanging slightly open. Plus, I could keep the customer in the VIP for 5+ dances every time, whereas now I'm lucky if I get 3. I have to say, the potential for money is not that great.
RoseLeigh
06-09-2008, 11:52 AM
i have heard about this no dancing champagne room thing happening but, i have never seen it. why would guys pay over 400 an hour to talk to a girl? do the girls in NYC not talk on the floor? is it just billionaires who just like showing off? i wish that was common here :-(
You have to not give away too much on the floor (Sitting and talking for an hour for free! Or humping them. ;D) and create some sort of rapport. A lot of girls have no idea how to do this (I'm not fab, but I know what not to do!) and just hump a guy for $20, then sit and drink with him for the next 2 hours. Sadly a lot of guys are conditioned to expect this.
velvet
06-09-2008, 02:35 PM
this thread is FOUR YEARS OLD.
dance77
06-10-2008, 08:33 PM
I find that the more seductive and less contact in the first dozen songs works best..with all the influx of new lose and careless Romanian dancers being imported..it is a bit of an effort to show the guys in the club what is kind of dancer is really worth t.heir money, this is mostly in Ontario, Canada though, those girls will do almost anyhtibg for a dollar..and in groups too.
Optimist
06-12-2008, 06:42 AM
i have heard about this no dancing champagne room thing happening but, i have never seen it. why would guys pay over 400 an hour to talk to a girl? do the girls in NYC not talk on the floor? is it just billionaires who just like showing off? i wish that was common here :-(
Go to Customer Converstion and ask them. They'll be happy to tell you why!;D (no sarcasm meant)
suprgrl22
06-15-2008, 03:56 PM
Nina, where were the areas that you made this kind of money with medium contact?
I don't understand why that's so odd. On a Friday night where I worked at regularly I made b/w $800 and $1,200 doing no contact. Of course that is during the winter- the busy season. During the summer time doing no contact at the same club I expected between $400 and $500 on a Friday night. Weekdays in the busy season I would be pissed if I made less than $400. During the slow season though I would be lucky to make that on a week day. This is all with no contact.
When I say no contact I mean no letting guys put their hands, lips, tongues, or teeth on me. I always grind during lapdances. But I've always thought that was normal
miabella
06-15-2008, 07:01 PM
impressive how you maintain such low contact as a threshold in high contact environs.
asianMannequin
06-15-2008, 07:17 PM
i've only done dancing for
some of my friends' parties
and i don't mind the touching.
just depends on where..
i giggle a lot if you touch
me too softly :]
RoseLeigh
06-15-2008, 07:26 PM
i've only done dancing for
some of my friends' parties
and i don't mind the touching.
just depends on where..
i giggle a lot if you touch
me too softly :]
Hon, you are not a stripper and we are talking about an entirely different issue here. We don't mind your questions but this is different.