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Lexi
05-08-2004, 10:02 PM
and no noone HAS to answer personal questions on a message board, when they are totally irrelevant to the post topic. cant you fuckers read???






No need to insult or call people "fuckers" mermaidz. Just because people posted an opinion, or some info doesnt mean everyone has to take the damn advice. Sure, people told you NOT to go to thailand. You went. Info in one ear and out the other. My point is, you post, people will respond. Whether or not you take the advice is up to you.

I still dont see why you and a few othes got so heated. NO ONE TOLD HER NOT TO GO!

mermaidnz
05-09-2004, 12:15 AM
Lexi, its nothing personal, it just seems silly that people who dont know the facts, give opinions that wernt asked for.

fair enough, in my thai/aus thread, i asked for opinions, but this thread had nothing to do with them.

i dunno, it just annoys me that you all ( seemed to ME at the time) jumped down her throat with questions, and opinions and statmentsa bout working in japan, and about clubs she wasnt even interested in. ( she said she was doing it thru an agency, yet people still went on about dodgy clubs etc, totally irrelivant in this situation)

anyways, it doesnt mattter too much, if youi all think all these weird thoughts and urban legands about tokyo and dancing there, then sweet, that doesnt matter to those who go hoping for the cash :) no skin off my nose if you all wanna decide to avoid tokyo, less competition for us ha

( i love asia, its people and its culture, to be honest i think alot of americans can learn alot form japanese culture , i know i have and will continue to. i guess im one of those who embrace the difference, not condem it ) meh anyways... im over it :)

Wwanderer
05-09-2004, 10:31 AM
1 - If a customer in the US wants to meet you outside your club, it will almost certainly be for sex, even if dinner is a precursor. In Japan, the dohan is a signifier that for a Japanese man it is an honor being seen out in public with a beautiful woman. You are there purely as eye-candy.

2 - I know there are lots of clean Eastern European dancers out there, but a friend who hostessed in Japan told me that before and after the EE girls came over were very different.

3 - I'm afraid I just don't have the "look" to make good money at a top club there. I have dark hair and eyes and my face is kind of asian/latin/indeterminate race but definitely not barbie-ish.

1 - This is essentially correct. It is not too rare for a dancer to use a dohan as an opportunity to proposition her date in my experience, but it definitely cannot be taken for granted that such will happen. It is not the default expectation. But note that a lot of the customers are not Japanese, especially in the clubs in major gaijin hang out areas like Roppongi; a substantial fraction, maybe a third (?), will themselves be foreigners and may jump to false conclusions about what they can expecct when a dancer agrees to a dohan with them.

2 - From the customer point of view, the arrival of large numbers of Russian and other Eastern European dancers in Tokyo strip clubs a few years back did indeed change the average level of "mileage" available in private dances and the probability of being propositioned for outside sexual services. I have not spent enough time in hostess bars in recent years to be able to say what the effect has been in their case.

3 - While the "barbie look" is indeed a very popular one, especially with the Japanese customers, I definitely don't think it is a prerequisite to making money in a Tokyo strip club. You see dancers there with a wide variety of appearances. And, as per #1 above, keep in mind that there are quite a lot of non-Japanese customers too.

-Ww

Wwanderer
05-09-2004, 10:35 AM
im still going, not tooooooo sure exactly when tho ( i am excited tho, i am going to try teach english as well )

Although it might well be possible to work out an arrangement where you could do both, it will probably have to be some sort of special negotiated deal in that both stripper and "native speaker" English teacher positions usually seem to involve working very long hours. I doubt anyone would have enough time to do both in one of the typical job set-ups.

-Ww

Wwanderer
05-09-2004, 10:43 AM
( i love asia, its people and its culture, to be honest i think alot of americans can learn alot form japanese culture , i know i have and will continue to. i guess im one of those who embrace the difference, not condem it ) meh anyways... im over it :)

A big DITTO there! The contrast between Japanese and American cluture and ways of life are so deep and subtle and profound that I find it endlessly fascinating and instructive. Spending time there is a great way to see things from a totally new perspective...incredibly enriching.

That said, I think Japan is a bit like anchovies; some Americans/Westerners love it there and can't get enough (that includes me) while others can hardly stand it; the whole place makes their skin crawl. It is hard to predict how people will react in advance too. Imo, this is likely to be the biggest issue for a stripper going to work in Japan, not how you will like the clubs themselves (which are not all that different) but how much you will enjoy or hate living and working in such a foreign culture in general...the same issues that face anyone spending an extended period of time there, whatever their occupation.

-Ww

erotictonic
05-09-2004, 03:39 PM
fair enough,it came out differently then it was ment then :)



It didn't "come out differently" to anyone but you and vegas. Everyone else interpreted correctly. Anyone else seeing a pattern here? :smirk:

mermaidnz
05-09-2004, 03:44 PM
maybe it "came out differently" cos we were looking at it from a different perspective ?!

scorpio
05-09-2004, 08:06 PM
On the other hand, the sort of aggressive, in-your-face, I-know-and-you-don't attitude will get you nowhere fast in Japan. You can trust me on that.)



this is so true. VegasVixen, The Japanese model of manners is very rigid and structured. The way you come off here, you would not last one minute there. The Japanese are polite to a fault, and yes freaquently means no. If you mouth off and cause a customer to "loose face", you will be history. As far as the "extras" that the Japanese expect, don't forget that Japan is one of the most sexually repressed cultures there are, that means they are very deviant, and things that are considered taboo here, such as rape, underage sex, public fondling, drugging girls, etc, are quite commen and accepted. My ex was a foriegn exchange student, and she said that schoolgirls were freaquently, and expected to be, groped and fondled on the train or bus. think about that. If you go, brush upon your social skills, keep your mouth shut, and you will be well on your way to being the perfect courtesan for some rich danna

Wwanderer
05-09-2004, 08:36 PM
On the other hand, the sort of aggressive, in-your-face, I-know-and-you-don't attitude will get you nowhere fast in Japan. You can trust me on that.)
1 - The Japanese are polite to a fault, and yes freaquently means no. If you mouth off and cause a customer to "loose face", you will be history.

2 - don't forget that Japan is one of the most sexually repressed cultures there are, that means they are very deviant, and things that are considered taboo here, such as rape, underage sex, public fondling, drugging girls, etc, are quite commen and accepted.

1 - It is definitely true that Tokyo clubs will fire you for upsetting customers by being rude in ways that would seem pretty mild here, maybe not the first time because they know perfectly well that foreigners do not "know how to behave" by Japanese standards and will cut you a bit of "gaijin priviledge" (as the expats call it) slack. But if you don't get the hang of it pretty quick, they will show you the door for sure. I think that any foreigner working in Japan for a Japanese run business would be well advised to either have (in their possession...not in the club's safe) an "open" return ticket or enough cash to buy one, and of course their passport.

2 - I would call "accepting" such behavior the opposite of repressed! Compared to the US, the attitudes toward sex in Japan are very open minded and accepting and....practical, I guess I would call it. Of course, compared to the US, the same can be said of most of the First World.

-Ww

scorpio
05-10-2004, 09:02 PM
2 - I would call "accepting" such behavior the opposite of repressed! Compared to the US, the attitudes toward sex in Japan are very open minded and accepting and....practical, I guess I would call it. Of course, compared to the US, the same can be said of most of the First World.

-Ww



ahh, the Japanese dichotomy. What is accepted in public, and what is accepted behind closed doors are two different things. This is part of what makes the Japanese culture so interesting. It's true, that sex would almost never be brought up in public conversation, but then again, you can find vending machines on the street corners that dispense pocket pussies and school girls panties.

Wwanderer
05-11-2004, 06:57 AM
you can find vending machines on the street corners that dispense pocket pussies and school girls panties.


You've spent some time there I see!

-Ww

VenusGoddess
05-11-2004, 11:05 AM
Lexi, its nothing personal, it just seems silly that people who dont know the facts, give opinions that wernt asked for.

fair enough, in my thai/aus thread, i asked for opinions, but this thread had nothing to do with them.

i dunno, it just annoys me that you all ( seemed to ME at the time) jumped down her throat with questions, and opinions and statmentsa bout working in japan, and about clubs she wasnt even interested in. ( she said she was doing it thru an agency, yet people still went on about dodgy clubs etc, totally irrelivant in this situation)

anyways, it doesnt mattter too much, if youi all think all these weird thoughts and urban legands about tokyo and dancing there, then sweet, that doesnt matter to those who go hoping for the cash :) no skin off my nose if you all wanna decide to avoid tokyo, less competition for us ha

( i love asia, its people and its culture, to be honest i think alot of americans can learn alot form japanese culture , i know i have and will continue to. i guess im one of those who embrace the difference, not condem it ) meh anyways... im over it :)


So, she's looking for a roomie online, and no one is supposed to ask questions? Don't be stupid, Mermaid. Of course, the only thing she did, besides intelligently answer questions, was convince a lot of people that she is a know-it-all bitch with no patience and the superiority that she's better than everyone else. She probably just convinced anyone who was considering going with her to re-think that decision.

Stop defending her behaviors. Her calling people names and whatnot is just not acceptable. If her behavior is acceptable to you (obviously it is as you do the exact same thing) then by all means, you go with her to Japan. But, coming onto this board and calling people "fuckers" and "idiots" only shows your complete lack of respect and only makes you look like a complete bitch. If you don't want to be treated that way, quit acting that way.

LoveSexMoney
05-11-2004, 11:52 AM
first time I read this thread since I've no plans to go to Japan. So noooooow I understand MissJadeds death wish to vv about go to japan never come back...I was thinking why the hell should she go to japan and never come back? ::)

I've been to Japan several times (not to strip, merely to vacation) it is beautiful there. And the shopping! OMG the shopping is amazing! I found most Japanese to be very friendly and very polite.

and to comment on the dinner dates with customers, I think we all pretty much know to use common sense. Leaving contact info is smart but I believe it's important to not put yourself in a position where you might be very unsafe. It seems (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Lucy Blackman went on an outing to the beach with the nutcase? I'm certainly NOT blaming the victim but I can't help but wonder if perhaps things might have turned out differently for her if she limited dates to well populated areas? Just a thought...

CrescentLuna
05-11-2004, 07:29 PM
Ya know, we're getting as bad as the strip club Ms.Bradshaw complains about. ;) Let's start slinging chairs at each other! Com'on! :P

I didn't really have much to contribute on this thread, I haven't much interest in going to Japan to work immediately, but I have thought about it, and this post was really helpful to ME about the subject. Which would apply to any considering-traveling-partner.

vegasvixen1
05-11-2004, 07:51 PM
To those of u who apparently still have no lives and insist on fighting over who hates me more.....I truly must say that i do enjoy watching you waste your time trying to insult me when i have not even been here for two weeks to read all of your oh so witty insults. But anyways the main point is this: I NEVER REFERRED TO ANYONE AS A FUCKER OR A BITCH , YET I HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO AS BOTH NUMEROUS TIMES BY MANY OF YOU MAINLY (VENUS AND LUCKY) AND I'M THE ASSHOLE?????? As for everyone else, i have already found two permanent japan companions so you dont need to keep adding to the thread any longer unless you just want to keep throwing insults at someone who is not even reading them.

Brittany
06-11-2004, 08:22 AM
Sushidoll, good luck on your trip! As long as you have been made aware of the contact demands versus the huge earning potential in advance, I say go for it!

Please come back to this site when you are in Japan if you're able to and give us all a report! I'm sure that there are a lot of us that would like to know about working in Japan from someone that has been there first hand

And again, good luck! Hope you make lots of money and have fun at the same time!