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Lexi
06-21-2004, 07:12 AM
I guess I'll have to look further, but everything I've read claims that Dr. Atkins was in fact obese through his life until just before he died, which I'll have to look furter into because my refrences still tell me he died of heart disease. You guys could very well be right, but I stick to my concept of what eventually happens on a cellular level if your body is deprived of carbs. Oh well, I'll just keep reading and comparing sources!

Modified to add that my sources consist almost solely of professors and texts, so sorry if my info is wrong, I havent researched the issue further myself, but I do believe that atkins is terrible for your body.


Yeah I hear ya, but there are tons of pics on the internet. He was not obese. AND he died from the fall and gained all that water weight before he died. (This happens to a lot of people before they die)

Anyway someone posted how it was some crazed Anti Atkins people who made up all the lies. Again, there is a video out there 10 days before his fall and he is nowhere near fat.

BTW, I used to think atkins was terrible too until I tried it. Never felt sick, never hd problems... You dont NEED the human made carbs. You just dont.

Lexi
06-21-2004, 07:15 AM
I personally use the south beach diet. Still low carb (low gi) but not dangerous.



Can you explain the differences? I was looking at the info for my aunt who just started this but I havent had too much time. Can you just give me a quick rundown of the differences? :)

Also, I hear ya that your cholestrol can go up, but when I wanted OUT of ketosis, in atkins, I just ate less fat. (and watched my cholestrol) Some people continue to eat all the nasty bacon, and stuff without thinking. I chose to eat lean meats, and veggies only because it was healthier, and I still lost weight (and kept it off) :)

Peekachoo
06-21-2004, 08:59 AM
I think the point that we're all getting at is that eating low carb, cutting out flour, white bread, etc. is a VERY good way to lose weight, and maintain a healthy lifestyle. It's when you follow his old school ideas "eat all the fatty meat, cheese, dripping with grease cheeseburgers without the bun" that your cholesterol goes through the roof.

I personally follow a low carb diet, only allowing breaded foods, potatoes, etc. once a week, but I eat lean meats, and lots of veggies.

High cholesterol comes from eating all the fatty, fast foods, minus the buns, and thinking you're eating a healthy diet. NOT!

Peek

Ti Amo
06-21-2004, 11:30 AM
Thanks for more info...

Gynger: I must've heard that he had died due to his heart attack that we both referred to, and I was fairly positive that he did have high cholesterol/heart disease. Thank you for clarifying that.

I too, would be interested in hearing the differences between the South Beach diet and Atkins.

tampafldancer
06-21-2004, 03:43 PM
ok.. without looking it up, i will tell you what i know about each diet and the differences.

adkins-ridiculously low carb. Doesn't limit fat intake.(limits most vegetables (except green leafy) and limits fruit. No starches.

south beach (less carbs with low GI levels..) limits saturated fat, and incourages a small amount of unsaturated (peanuts, ect.) Lean meats, encourages vegetables. Created by a cardiologist for a heart healthy diet.

lexi, it seems that you are somewhere in the middle of the two diets,(leaning closer to adkins) and i would say thats a good place to be!

em-i have also heard that the blood type diets were decent to follow.

tampafldancer
06-21-2004, 03:47 PM
let me know if there are any particular questions you want answered about either diet.

SusanV
06-22-2004, 11:16 PM
let me know if there are any particular questions you want answered about either diet.

How many grams of carbs does Atkins allow per day?

How many grams of carbs does South Beach allow per day?

What vegetables does Atkins prohibit that South Beach allows?

Thanks.

Lexi
06-23-2004, 08:18 AM
ok.. without looking it up, i will tell you what i know about each diet and the differences.

adkins-ridiculously low carb. Doesn't limit fat intake.(limits most vegetables (except green leafy) and limits fruit. No starches.

south beach (less carbs with low GI levels..) limits saturated fat, and incourages a small amount of unsaturated (peanuts, ect.) Lean meats, encourages vegetables. Created by a cardiologist for a heart healthy diet.

lexi, it seems that you are somewhere in the middle of the two diets,(leaning closer to adkins) and i would say thats a good place to be!

em-i have also heard that the blood type diets were decent to follow.


Thanks hun. I agree. I only did the major fat/protein eating when I wanted to drop a lot of weight and inches. (I lost 7 lbs in one week which to me was a huggggge motivator) Even though it was mostly water, I stayed strong. ;) I do try to eat low carb most of the time. *But yesterday I had a chicken parmesan dinner) I have this a lot as a cheat. hahaha That stuff rocks.

Also Peekachoo, I agree. I dont think people should remain eating all the fatty stuff once they have lost the weight.

kitana
06-23-2004, 04:26 PM
My pathetic textbook (pre-med) reply to ATKINS:

Unhealthy... what actually ends up happening long term is UREA (ie urine) backs up in your joints! It is not healthy for your heart, or the rest of your bodily functions. The molecular composition of a carbohydrate is natural and necessary for cells! Short-term it is effective for rapid weight loss, but again, not healthy.

(May I remind you that Dr. Atkins himself died of heart disease!)

As others have pointed out, pretty much every sentence in your post is incorrect.

No she's not actually wrong on a lot of this stuff, you guys are just mis reading what she's saying.

Urine doesn't back up in your joints

Not urine, uric acid, and yes they can buid up in your body and joints which cause tons of problems.

Carbohydrate intake is not necessary for humans. Unlike protein (amino acids) and fats, there's no such thing as an essential carb.
I have to call bullshit on that one! Every one needs carbs to boost their bodies, to lose weight, to gain muscle, to have properly functioning organs.


Dr. Atkins died from injuries suffered in a fall.

Yeah but do you think that he would have fallen had he the energy to stand up? (lol!) If you or I would have taken that same fall we would have been able to survive it.(well, me anyway) But since he subsucribed to his diet so strictly, he was lacking in nutrients and carbs that his body needed to recover from this type of injury.

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Kitana

kitana
06-23-2004, 04:28 PM
Dam I still haven't got the hang of this quoting thing yet, but you guys get the point. I hope....
Kitana

Lexi
06-24-2004, 06:50 AM
Dr. Atkins died from injuries suffered in a fall.

Yeah but do you think that he would have fallen had he the energy to stand up? (lol!) If you or I would have taken that same fall we would have been able to survive it.(well, me anyway) But since he subsucribed to his diet so strictly, he was lacking in nutrients and carbs that his body needed to recover from this type of injury.


He didnt just "fall" he slipped on ice and landed on his head!

scorpio
06-24-2004, 08:45 AM
Ok, I am not a fan of Atkins and I'll tell you why: It is unbalanced. He advocates a high fat, high protien diet with very low carbs. Atkins is correct on the fact that Americans eat way too much carbs and not enough protien, but you must balance. A much better and healthy diet is Bill Phillips' "Body For Life." He advocates 6 PORTION CONTROLLED meals a day. Each consists of a balance of 1 serving carbs, one serving of protien. Carbs are essential to your bodies health, but you need to cut down and not eat processed and high glycemic carbs, ie' pasta, white flower, rice, etc. A body for life meal is 1 chicken breast and a cup of yougurt, or salmon and a potato. Balanced. This balance keeps your insulin level consistant. It gives your body the necessary fuel to increase metabolism, which is what starts weight loss. Atkins and other no carb diets actually lower your metabolism, which is why they wont work long term. You will absolutely lose weight with atkins, and it is great to jump start weight loss, but as a lifestyle, Body For Life is much more effective and healthy. Besides, look at a picture of Bill Phillips, and then look at Dr. Atkins. Who looks like they know what they are talking about?
www.bodyforlife.com

SusanV
06-24-2004, 07:22 PM
Carbs are essential to your bodies health

This is not true.


Atkins and other no carb diets actually lower your metabolism

This is not true, either.

SusanV
06-24-2004, 07:23 PM
Yeah but do you think that he would have fallen had he the energy to stand up?

You're just being ridiculous.

SusanV
06-24-2004, 07:35 PM
1. Your body does not need carbs to live or to be healthy. The Inuit Eskimos, for example, have traditionally eaten a diet consisting of whale blubber and fish. No plant food. No carbs. They were very fit, with high bone densities, no diabetes, no high blood-pressure, no heart disease, and no other "diseases of civilization." (Recently, they have started eating a more "modernized" diet and have begun suffering health problems.) There are other examples as well.

2. There's absolutely nothing wrong, at all, with cutting out sugars and starches from our diets. Our bodies haven't adapted to them yet, since foods rich in sugars and starches didn't exist until about 10,000 years ago (with the advent of the agricultural revolution). We evolve more slowly than that. Maybe in another 50,000 years, we'll be able to eat lots of grain-based foods and potatoes with no adverse health consequences, but right now we can't.

3. If you're going to criticize the Atkins diet, criticize it for things that make sense. For example, it tends to be too high in saturated fats and Omega-6 fats, and not high enough in Omega-3 fats. With its emphasis on meats and dairy products, it tends to present a net acid load to the kidneys, which can result in calcium-deficient bones. Many Atkins devotees do not eat enough fruits or vegetables and can therefore be deficient in vitamin intake. (The Inuits I mentioned above could forego plant foods because they ate their meat raw; raw meat contains a full range of vitamins while cooked meat does not.) Some foods that many Atkins adherents eat a lot of, such as beans and other legumes, contain phytates that prevent the absorption of certain minerals into the blood stream.

Lexi
06-24-2004, 09:25 PM
Great post Susan. I totally agree.

We dont need all carbs. Just the good ones. I follow atkins, with many cheats now that I am at the weight I want to be, and I eat bad carbs occasionally (and fruits when I want) and I havent gained weight. And it doesnt slow your metabolism. It speeds it because your body is burning its own FAT for fuel, not the white carbs that gotta be burned with exercise. I gain so much weight so fast if I eat too much bread, or white rice (or pasta) and believe me, I have pics to prove. I used to wear a size 7 jeans (in high school) Now I wear a size 2... all the protein helps keep my muscles, and the depletion of certain carbs lets my body lose fat and inches. :)

RYAN
06-24-2004, 11:03 PM
SUSANV, you bring up a most interesting topic, that I couldn't agree with more. You are correct in eskimos eating raw meat and being healthy. You are right in the fact that when something is cooked it loses vitamins, minerals enzymes, phytochemicals, ect. The reason they could eat all that meat is beacuse raw meat still has the lipaise enzymes that break down the fat, and the cooked meat destroys the enzyme. I eat most of my food raw, but raw meat does not appeal to me. Raw fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds are my calling.

Anyways, I look and feel great since adopting a predominately raw food diet, and although I eat tons of carbs I don't gain of lose any weight anymore. My weight is very stable at 165. I still eat a piece of red snapper or sushi occasionally becasue there are vital nutrients like DHA and omega 3 that are very abundant in fish. I very rarely eat meat for the fact that due to factory farming and animals being fed grain, sawdust and newspaper that the nutritional value of today's commercially raised meats is marginal at best. When I am in upstate NY and I can find grass fed beef or raw cheese made from grass fed cows I am more than happy to enjoy. I am currently experimenting with "DHA eggs" that they sell at whole foods that are from free-roaming chickens fed foods to drastically raise the amount of DHA in the yolk. I only cook these for about 10 seconds in the frying pan, just enough to heat the white part, but the yolk is not heated at all. The reason I do this is beacsue mant of the vitamins and minerals in the yolk become destroyed or diminished when exposed to heat, especially the DHA.



PS, the study of the eskimos and other people who eat high fat and saturated fat and have low heart disease helps show that TRANS FATS are the culprit (or at least contributors)in many cancers and heart disease, (and high chlosterol)and not the animal fat. I think a diet eliminating all trans fats, sodas, refined carbs, hydrogenated oils and such would be great. let's give up all the packaged foods in our grocery stores and just eat fresh organic fruits, organic vegetables, organic nuts, organic seeds, and organic cheese, eggs, and organic meats.
Add in some fresh green vegetable juice daily, some coconut oil, a fresh fruit smoothie here and there and I think we would have a very healthy, happy country. At least that's how we do it in my house, and it works great.

Oh yeah, and walk 30 mins. 3 times weekly, do yoga whenever possible, an occasional bike ride, and 3 times 30 mins. at the gym!