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Pamela
05-19-2004, 10:57 AM
Just a quick article. We here in Florida (parts of) come together and do our best for these dogs! Vets, and owners.
Pamela :D
Pamela
05-19-2004, 10:58 AM
Other one did not show up...Here it is. JUst wanted to say that alot of us vets and owners to come together for these dogs, and all dogs actually. It's great. My vet LOVES pitbull dogs. As far as eating them, well, glad i live here.
Pamela :D
Madcap
05-19-2004, 11:10 AM
Cruelty to animals is a MAJOR warning sign for deeper troubles. I think Jeff Dahmer was tormenting and killing animals before he graduated to killing and eating humans. Son of Sam shot the neighbor's dog (he was obsessed with that thing). That stuff should send up alarms bigger than the Titanic on a crisp night out with the ice...
Rhiannon
05-19-2004, 11:23 AM
I stand behind my statement that NO BREED is bred to be violent. It's not a naive statement, and it's IGNORANT to say otherwise. I know quite a few breeders who would back that up. Greyhounds are not bred solely for their speed, they're just simply USED for it.
Rotties, Akitas, Bulldogs, Pitbulls and all the other larger breeds get the media attention when they bite someone, because they are intimidating in size and pretty much don't take shit from anyone.
If you are attacked, do you not defend yourself?
Frankly I'm tired of debating this issue, because I could be banging my head against a brick wall and accomplishing the same thing. Some people don't get it, and never will.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:30 AM
DW, i was gonna PM this, but im too lazy to hit that button and im sure there are others possibly reading this thread that can use the advice.
when you quote someone, and then respond to it, PUT YOUR WORDS OUTSIDE THE QUOTE BOX! also, if you are quoting someone from anothers post(i.e. second hand quote, not quoting from the original post, but from a response which had the quote in it) please delete the original quote heading too. the way you've typed your reply here makes it look like Rhi said all that and you're just quoting it for reinfocement without adding anything yourself.
wait, what the hell did you do? what you have as quoting ALT was actually rhi and what you have as quoting rhi is actually you..... dude, wtf are you doing? it seems that you're actually creating more work for yourself by screwing it up than by actually doing it right.
sorry, just one of my many pet peeves.
I know I know! It was an accident. In the near 200 posts I've made I think it was the first time, so please forgive me. :)
Madcap
05-19-2004, 11:34 AM
Frankly I'm tired of debating this issue, because I could be banging my head against a brick wall and accomplishing the same thing. Some people don't get it, and never will.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:45 AM
I totally understand that there pit bulls etc can exist and be perfectly safe dogs. And that even a chihuaha (sp?) can be vicious. But these dogs are far more ferocious and have attacked and killed many more people. The problem is certainly with the animals. Cincinati instituted a registration program that did not ban pit bulls, but made owners register them (to prove they are good caretakers, train the dog etc, and also the owner of said dogs had to carry 50,000 in insurance in case of attack. How would you guys feel about these kind of steps...
I personally think this is the best way to handle the issue. I love Pit Bulls as I know many sweet ones. I also know that they kill people at the drop of a dime too. The issue here is two fold. The logic of "There are no bad breeds, only bad owners" goes only so far. Some breeds just have a propencity to violence. It's a fact. Now, that instinct can be tamed, and yet it's still there. It's up to the owner to do so. The issue is a bad owner of a golden retreiver will not produce a dog that, generally, will kill people wheras the same thing cannot be said about pit bulls. Why is it that you think the dog of choice for fighting is a pit bull and not a shit tzu? The reason is the breed is bred to be violent. It's the design of the body from the muscles all the way down to the locking jaw.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:48 AM
ATL hun, you are wrong. Guess what the number one BITE DOG is? Not a pitbull. Besides the majority of the so called pitbulls are mixed with lab etc. Check out my pits in the furry pics forum.
Not far more ferocious, just bigger. Ever see that cute Cocker Spaniel bite a kids face? Or hear of it. Probably not, because it was a Cocker Spaniel.
Actually, I've heard it's dalmnations also. The difference is a bite from a dalmnation or a cocker spanial will not leave you paralyzed or dead. A bite from a cocker might result in a few stitches and a tetanis shot. A bit from a pit bull might leave you 6 feet under as they instinctively go for the throat and do so with the intention of leaving you dead.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:49 AM
dancerwealth, you type a huge response but apperantly never read mine, i'll repeat it for you. NO THE HORSES ARENT SICK OR EVEN OLD they are killed FOR MEAT , that people in OTHER countries consider a delicacy. they are basiclly tortured before death. while i am not a vegatarian, a cow or pig is not a companion animal. they were put on this earth for food. a horse is meant to be a "beast of burden" as it were, and a companion of sorts, it isnt for meat any more than a dog or cat is.
Okay, fair enough. I missed it. SORRY. Jeesh.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:54 AM
HAHAHAHA!!! What kicks ass about your last statement is that I TOTALLY have something that disproves it. It's a little 15 pound Cocker Spaniel named Sadie.
OF COURSE there is always going to be an exception to the rule. I never said there wouldn't be. I've seen dogs of all breeds be viscious. That's not the point though.
Moral of the story DO NOT!!! tell me that these other dogs are more vicious because of genetics. YES, like I said, 10% IS genetics. The dogs have a PREDISPOSITION for certain things. HOWEVER, NO dog has a "VIOLENT" predisposition.
Let me explain to you the bigger picture here. It's more than just the disposition. It's also the dog's ability to do damage with that disposition. There is a physical element to this here also. It's the same reason a german shepherd doesn't run 45 MPH like my greyhound. Why? Because of the years and years and years of breeding has designed one dog to be fast and one dog to herd animals. Pit Bulls have had breeding to make them strong and have the ability to do huge amounts of damage when they attack. Nobody is denying the fact that other dogs have different levels of aggression. It's just their ability to act on it and what they do with that agression is what the end result is.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 11:57 AM
A puma or wolf are WILD animals and turn on people all the time. It is their INSTINCT to stay alive as is a persons. Yes, a dog can be starved to death (sadly) but I have never heard of a dog try to EAT its owner. Shit, if the owner did it on purpose, I'd be happy that the dog attempted to eat him. lol (ok sorry but animal abuse is a soft spot)
You soooo know the difference ATL. lol
Ah, and to elaborate on this point, many people can effectively make a point that pit bulls are not completely domesitcated much like wolves. I think that's one of the basics behind the whole argument as to why people are wanting to ban them.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 12:01 PM
I stand behind my statement that NO BREED is bred to be violent. It's not a naive statement, and it's IGNORANT to say otherwise. I know quite a few breeders who would back that up. Greyhounds are not bred solely for their speed, they're just simply USED for it.
You are patently, 100% incorrect on this issue. For example...two greyhounds race faster than any others. They are bred so that they will have fast offspring and so on and so on and so on. This has been taking place for over 4000 years. Can you now explain to me how this isn't breeding a variety of dog for speed? That's what breeding means! Every variety of dog is different because people at one point in time liked a quality of a certain breed and bred similar dogs to enhance that quality. Now you have a new breed of dog. Plain and simple.
sadly I can not read all the posts in this topic... however if you would like to check out other animal cruelty sites:
http://kfccruelty.com/
http://www.iamscruelty.com/
ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-19-2004, 02:00 PM
I would like to remind everyone that this is a discussion. No need for personal attacks here. Discussing an issue is a relvant task in and of itself. I for one have learned a lot in this thread. But that some her choose to attack the other members whose viewpoint is unshared by labeling then ignorant or callous seems a bit funny for us unempathetic guys here. Did you not see the posts detailing what doc has done saving these animals and working toward adopting and rescuing these animals, but because his opinion differs from yours on an issue the attacks fly. :irked:
sander8son
05-19-2004, 03:05 PM
just for the record i am unempathetic. or at a minimum apathetic. some would say simply pathetic, but i'd have to disagree with them. so, how do you like your horse steaks cooked? i prefer mine medium.
lestat1
05-19-2004, 03:12 PM
I haven't even read the thread and I'm sick of horse slaughter already. At this point I'd support a bill calling for the slaughter of all horses worldwide to terminate the species just so I don't have to see "BAN HorseSlaughter!" all over the forums. :)
SCGirl
05-19-2004, 06:08 PM
ATL hun, you are wrong. Guess what the number one BITE DOG is? Not a pitbull. Besides the majority of the so called pitbulls are mixed with lab etc. Check out my pits in the furry pics forum.
Not far more ferocious, just bigger. Ever see that cute Cocker Spaniel bite a kids face? Or hear of it. Probably not, because it was a Cocker Spaniel.
Actually, I've heard it's dalmnations also. The difference is a bite from a dalmnation or a cocker spanial will not leave you paralyzed or dead. A bite from a cocker might result in a few stitches and a tetanis shot. A bit from a pit bull might leave you 6 feet under as they instinctively go for the throat and do so with the intention of leaving you dead.
Umm....have you considered the fact that it's mainly SIZE that seems to be predominant in this "violence dog" argument? If Pit Bulls are so deadly, why aren't they used as attack dogs by the police? Why is it always German Shephards? Have you SEEN what a GS can do to somebody's arm???? But for some reason, you don't consider these dogs dangerous.....why is that? This argument boils down to the dog equivalent of a sumo wrestler and a midget. Should Sumo wrestlers be banned? I mean, they're "bred" to be big and tough. And yeah, midgets can be bad little mo-fo's....but can they do as much damage as a sumo wrestler? NO! Does it have anything to do with genetics? Not past physical size it doesn't.
A puma or wolf are WILD animals and turn on people all the time. It is their INSTINCT to stay alive as is a persons. Yes, a dog can be starved to death (sadly) but I have never heard of a dog try to EAT its owner. Shit, if the owner did it on purpose, I'd be happy that the dog attempted to eat him. lol (ok sorry but animal abuse is a soft spot)
You soooo know the difference ATL. lol
Ah, and to elaborate on this point, many people can effectively make a point that pit bulls are not completely domesitcated much like wolves. I think that's one of the basics behind the whole argument as to why people are wanting to ban them.
The sad part of this is, who the hell are we to play "God"??
Why BAN an animal? Wtf? Because of a few bad people who raise thes animals? I dont think so. I would be damned if someone wanted to put down my dog, I dont care what it is. People are fucking pathetic. We should ban most of THEM.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I stand behind my statement that NO BREED is bred to be violent. It's not a naive statement, and it's IGNORANT to say otherwise. I know quite a few breeders who would back that up. Greyhounds are not bred solely for their speed, they're just simply USED for it.
You are patently, 100% incorrect on this issue. For example...two greyhounds race faster than any others. They are bred so that they will have fast offspring and so on and so on and so on. This has been taking place for over 4000 years. Can you now explain to me how this isn't breeding a variety of dog for speed? That's what breeding means! Every variety of dog is different because people at one point in time liked a quality of a certain breed and bred similar dogs to enhance that quality. Now you have a new breed of dog. Plain and simple.
Yes breeding means making a dog a "certain" way, however pits are under working, guarding dogs. Not VIOLENT dogs. They can be trained. But theres no need to ban them.
and just for the record, ATL, Im not personally attacking you. ;) Just the a-holes who wanna ban pits and such. :peace:
Pamela
05-19-2004, 07:48 PM
To answer Scgirls post. ;) German Shepherds (which i have as well) do better as a "police dog" because they are not as high strung. Terriers are very high strung, and riding around in a vehicle during a shift would be hard, as they need to move more than a Shepherd. Also, Shepherds are NOT strong biters, actuially weak, and lets no loophole for a law suit. More intelligent...No.
We have a few pitbull terriers that are "Bomb dogs" and good at it. But for a bite dog, they have too much strength. They are easily trained and will back off, but get to hyper during a chase (remember terrier, lots of energy.) so a shepherd always fit well.
They kinda stuck with the breed also because many people just look at a Shepherd and say "oh police dog." They like that as well! No shit.
Pits are great for police work, but stay hyper far too long. The Giant wired haired breed of terriers are hyper too diuring work, and used in Germany alot, but the bite hold is not as strong as a pitbull terrier.
You simply have to put the breed of dog were it belongs. And pitbulls love a family setting without long periods of being left alone. Sounds like any other dog doesn't it? ;)
Oh because a breed is bred for many generations for a certain "task" does not insure that particular 'dog 'has any of those traits. :) OK, i love my pitbulls, and Shepherds! Not everyone will. :'( Forget the bad spelling errors....
Pamela
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 07:54 PM
Umm....have you considered the fact that it's mainly SIZE that seems to be predominant in this "violence dog" argument? If Pit Bulls are so deadly, why aren't they used as attack dogs by the police?
Good point. There is a very good reason for this. The police don't want "deadly" dogs. Pit bull are not stupid dogs at all. There are different kinds of "smart" though. For example, pit bulls and greyhounds are very smart dogs, it is just that they are more independent thinkers rather than obedience type of smart. Although both can be trained effectively, it's not in their programming so to speak. German Shepherds are used because of their strong ability to be controlled by a human verbally. Also, German Shepherds know how to bite someone without causing major harm. Pit bulls on the other hand have locking jaws with a substantially stronger PSI in their bite. The police don't want "deadly", they want a dog to subdue someone without causing major harm.
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 08:07 PM
Yes breeding means making a dog a "certain" way, however pits are under working, guarding dogs. Not VIOLENT dogs. They can be trained. But theres no need to ban them.
I completely agree. I never liked the idea of banning them. Due to the history of the breed though, I do think it is a good idea for people to have to register them in some way like they do in Cincinnati. This insures that some asshole isn't going to buy one, thow it in his backyard and never look at it again. THIS is how the breed gets violent is due to mistreatment. Then what happens is the dog gets out and hurts someone badly and everyone wants to ban them. Like my points earlier though, if the same thing were to happen to say, a golden retriever, they are still not as likely as a pit bull to go out and murder someone. Pits just have that button that's easier to push because of years of breeding them to be fighters. My friend's pit bull's name is Tootsie and she's one of the sweetest dogs I've ever seen in my life. She doesn't have a bad bone in her body, and that's because she has such a loving home. It's the bad apples you have to watch out for though, and that's why I like the idea of screening people to some degree who want to own one. Hell, if it were up to me, I'd screen every dog adopter but that's not possible. So you have to pick and choose to some degree with some breeds/owners.
In our greyhound organization (as with just about all of them across the country) we screen every single person who wants to adopt them. Mostly so that we can get the perfect fit of dog to owner. We profile each dog as we get them and see what their history has been, temperment, etc. Some greyhounds are trained with live rabbits as horrible as that is, so they are difficult to place in houses with cats or small animals because they have a strong prey drive. Other greyhounds live fine with cats, birds, etc. I used to have two ferrets and one of my greyhounds was scared to death of them so he left the room when I had them out. And there have been times where we have turned people away from adopting because we didn't think that a greyhound was the right breed for them. Now, the supply and demand of greyhounds to owners allows us to do this. There are SO many pits in kennels across the country this just isn't feasible to do it the way we do with greyhounds, but at least asking each potential adopter or purchaser of a pit a few questions about how they want to own the dog isn't a bad idea either.
SCGirl
05-19-2004, 08:13 PM
Wow.....very informative posts Pam and DW....thanks!
I wasn't trying to put down the German Shepherds, just make the basic statement that, the bigger the dog, the more the damage (for the most part). Ok, so it didn't come across like that, lol, sorry guys!
Wasn't this thread originally about horses? How'd we get to the plight of the pitbull? lol
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 08:18 PM
You simply have to put the breed of dog were it belongs. And pitbulls love a family setting without long periods of being left alone. Sounds like any other dog doesn't it? ;)
I completely agree. Some dogs are better at being left alone than others, but certainly they all need lots of love and attention and the more the merrier!
Oh because a breed is bred for many generations for a certain "task" does not insure that particular 'dog 'has any of those traits. :)
Agreed. There are always exceptions to the rule. I've worked and placed tons of greyhounds into homes and have seen every imaginable personality of them. Greyhounds are part of the sighthound family with afghans, salukis and whippets. They have exceptionally good vision and are bred to visually lock onto an object and run extremely fast at it. Greyhounds for example are the fastest dog, the 6th fastest land animal in the world and commonly run as fast as 45 MPH. The reason I'm telling you all this is because we own two and are vast oposite ends of the spectrum. Tyler, our first greyhound was a championship racing dog (you can actually pull up their entire racing history online) and raced until the manditory retirement age of 5. When he raced, he ran like a bat out of hell. He raced over 110 races including being out of action for two six-month periods due to injuries. He is the pinnacle of what you think of greyhounds when you think of them, and when he runs, it's poetry in motion. Our other grey is Kiko...he's big clown. He was retired at 2 after racing only six races. He does run fast, but doesn't follow lures and isn't as graceful or well suited for racing. He just doesn't have the natural instinct. He is definitely the exception to the rule. So yes, I have seen it, and it happens all the time.
Madcap
05-19-2004, 08:37 PM
A lot of people just don't have the responsibility to have a dog. Any dog.
Pamela
05-19-2004, 08:42 PM
Oh Scgirl no, i loved your message! Guess we all got on this because animals are dogs and horses! ;) Thanks ladies ;) and guys who voiced their opinions!
I see lots of animal lovers here! Horses and dogs both. :D :D
Pamela
EDIT: i so agree Madcap. >:(
DancerWealth
05-19-2004, 10:24 PM
A lot of people just don't have the responsibility to have a dog. Any dog.
How true this is.
Madcap
05-19-2004, 11:55 PM
DW, you don't have to respond to every single thought in individual posts. That's what the WINDOWS aspect of Microsoft WINDOWS is for...
ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-20-2004, 01:04 AM
A puma or wolf are WILD animals and turn on people all the time. It is their INSTINCT to stay alive as is a persons. Yes, a dog can be starved to death (sadly) but I have never heard of a dog try to EAT its owner. Shit, if the owner did it on purpose, I'd be happy that the dog attempted to eat him. lol (ok sorry but animal abuse is a soft spot)
You soooo know the difference ATL. lol
Ah, and to elaborate on this point, many people can effectively make a point that pit bulls are not completely domesitcated much like wolves. I think that's one of the basics behind the whole argument as to why people are wanting to ban them.
The sad part of this is, who the hell are we to play "God"??
Why BAN an animal? Wtf? Because of a few bad people who raise thes animals? I dont think so. I would be damned if someone wanted to put down my dog, I dont care what it is. People are fucking pathetic. We should ban most of THEM.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
For the record while I started saying that these animals should be banned, and I still would not have a problem wit that, in fairness I thin the registration and insurance for certain vicous breeds of dogs is a healthy comprimise point. Whther or not the animal activists will come back to the real world and admit that these dogs are more dangerous than poodles and shnauzers, and are actually instinctively driven to bite and lock on a person's neck, then we might reach that middle ground.
ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-20-2004, 01:09 AM
A puma or wolf are WILD animals and turn on people all the time. It is their INSTINCT to stay alive as is a persons. Yes, a dog can be starved to death (sadly) but I have never heard of a dog try to EAT its owner. Shit, if the owner did it on purpose, I'd be happy that the dog attempted to eat him. lol (ok sorry but animal abuse is a soft spot)
You soooo know the difference ATL. lol
Ah, and to elaborate on this point, many people can effectively make a point that pit bulls are not completely domesitcated much like wolves. I think that's one of the basics behind the whole argument as to why people are wanting to ban them.
The sad part of this is, who the hell are we to play "God"??
Why BAN an animal? Wtf? Because of a few bad people who raise thes animals? I dont think so. I would be damned if someone wanted to put down my dog, I dont care what it is. People are fucking pathetic. We should ban most of THEM.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
While sometimes I love the idea of banning people, remember that that is part of what makes america great, that we all fuck around and coexist and make it work. Bumpy at times, but all in all we do well IMO comparatively. Not that in any way shape or form I like tehse asholes, I'm a pretty laid back silver lining optomist party dude. However, we need to coexist with these people. Since we can't be sure taht they will treat these vicious animals, in a way that can domesticate them, we need to do something to protect john q. public from the inevitable accidenst (if inevitable are they true accidents?) and I think the registration and insurance is really the way to go. Even the best trained pet (see sigfried and roy, or any of the 45 fox 'when animals attack' I-LLXII') can snap and go on instinct. Why is in not fair to say, "yes you can have these animals, but if you do, you need to make sure you carry insurance in case the worst happens"?
ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-20-2004, 01:11 AM
DW, you don't have to respond to every single thought in individual posts. That's what the WINDOWS aspect of Microsoft WINDOWS is for...
I'd perosnally have more and succint args in posts that brain blathers of 5-6 points, but then again I am guilty of this more than most...
Katrine
05-20-2004, 01:25 AM
I'm not going to get into this debate but my brother has a pitbull who is the sweetest coolest dog ever...
The worst that he does is sometimes, randomly, he will be a dick and take a shit in the house...for no reason at all, even if just back from a walk, hehehehehe....lil bastard...
But when I take him to the park and kids run toward him to play with him....I do keep him away...don't need any potential lawsuit on my hands. But I would do it w any dog.....because of FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE!!!
Madcap
05-20-2004, 01:35 AM
DW, you don't have to respond to every single thought in individual posts. That's what the WINDOWS aspect of Microsoft WINDOWS is for...
I'd perosnally have more and succint args in posts that brain blathers of 5-6 points, but then again I am guilty of this more than most...
No, it's just that there's nine million posts in this thread from DW. Use one window to post in, make one or two posts to answer all your points. No reason this thread should be as long as it is.
I mean, it's six fucking pages long. All you do my posting nineteen times in a row in one thread is make sure some people's posts never get read by anyone. Even the intended target.
I MEAN NO OFFENSE TO DW, btw. Just think, you drag the thread two pages hence people stop reading two pages back. Just use windows.
Pamela
05-20-2004, 09:36 AM
Just a word about the pitbull bites. Read about the attacks in the paper, very very few if any in your state or mine have actually jumped for a neck and locked it's jaws. I can't remember one, actually .
Like any other dog they bite limbs mainly. If a dog, any dog is big enough to get you to the ground, they will usually bite a face, not the neck. Even a pitbull dog.
Please please educate yourself on the breed, before making false statements. This is a learned fear alot of people have about certain breeds, because they listen to what others say, but never pet one, or spend time reading the history and knowing the breed well enough.
Pamela
DancerWealth
05-20-2004, 10:12 AM
DW, you don't have to respond to every single thought in individual posts. That's what the WINDOWS aspect of Microsoft WINDOWS is for...
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What does using Windows have to do with posting?
Madcap
05-20-2004, 12:05 PM
Open up two windows with both on SW (same thread you want to reply to), one as a REAL reply as one as a "Quote farm" keep replying with a quote on the page you are farming, cut and paste the quote code again and again to the REAL reply.
This way you don't push other people's stuff down.
ATLDiscoLawyer420
05-21-2004, 01:32 AM
Just a word about the pitbull bites. Read about the attacks in the paper, very very few if any in your state or mine have actually jumped for a neck and locked it's jaws. I can't remember one, actually .
Like any other dog they bite limbs mainly. If a dog, any dog is big enough to get you to the ground, they will usually bite a face, not the neck. Even a pitbull dog.
Please please educate yourself on the breed, before making false statements. This is a learned fear alot of people have about certain breeds, because they listen to what others say, but never pet one, or spend time reading the history and knowing the breed well enough.
Pamela
well if you provided links and/or statistics then we could.
Madcap
05-21-2004, 01:49 AM
If they find the body, will they call off Easter?
Cuz, i like the easter bunny.
SAVE THE EASTER BUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whirlerz
05-21-2004, 07:57 AM
I haven't even read the thread and I'm sick of horse slaughter already. At this point I'd support a bill calling for the slaughter of all horses worldwide to terminate the species just so I don't have to see "BAN HorseSlaughter!" all over the forums. :)
If it bothers you so much, maybe there's a reason. You could always ignore it & go on to the next topic too. Does one advocate destroying an entire amount of animals because Ban Horseslaughter bothers them. Oops, sorry, I mentioned it again. I have known many entertainers, & know they are very caring when it comes to animals. (& other things too). So that's why I started this topic. And I wanted to bring awareness of it out. Thanks, take care
Pamela
05-21-2004, 08:07 AM
ATL i go by whats happening in Florida now with these dogs. And used to follow PA, because i have a relative there. Mainly in Florida these dogs are bred to hunt hogs! Watch animal planet's shows with "animal rescue, and Miami has one now too on there, along with many other rescue shows, they give out lots of info. If you ever have the time.
As for information on the web go to Google do a search on pitbull terrier, american pitbull terrier etc. Don't read about american bulldog, or staffs. They are NOT pitbull dogs. Some sites are actually against the dog, remember pitbulls are pretty "generic" however mine have papers, so what, they are altered! I don't believe in breeding these dogs until we get alot out of shelters, and keep finding the fighting grounds, as well as matching the dog with a personality for the breed. Anyway...
Good luck,
Pamela
Madcap
05-21-2004, 09:25 AM
Yeah, stop reading about fighting dogs. Fighting Dogs are like abused kids. Worth defending, but not to freak out and lump all others with any remote resemblance into one circle.
Fight dogs have been through a lot. Many HAVE to be put down. But have some pity for them. They never meant to have what happened to them happen. All a dog can be is a dog.