View Full Version : Nick Berg Video MAY Have Been Faked
Adina, I agree... this is one of the reasons I couldnt watch it either, though I think it is good to know what kind of crazed people we are fighting against.
Sure I wouldnt want that to happen if it was my kid (and neither do his parents I am sure) but many people agree that this sheds light on how bad our enemies are. :(
Madcap
05-21-2004, 09:55 PM
Sure I wouldnt want that to happen if it was my kid (and neither do his parents I am sure) but many people agree that this sheds light on how bad our enemies are. :(
And that is the only reason I think anyone should have watched it. It's good that the site is canned now, but people are still distributing it on KaZaa and such. That thing will never go away, now. That is unfortunate for the family.
Rhiannon
05-21-2004, 10:08 PM
I agree Lexi. That's one of the reasons I watched it. Well, partly was out of curiosity, and the other part was a strong desire to understand it. It is definitely like a train-wreck, you don't want to look but you can't help it.
Madcap.. That particular site may be canned, but it's all over the place now. I can probably find about 10 sites right now that have it. It'll be around forever. Hell, Daniel Pearl was killed (Beheaded also, but he was deceased already) in 2002, and about 15 sites still have the video up.
Madcap
05-21-2004, 10:26 PM
Madcap.. That particular site may be canned, but it's all over the place now. I can probably find about 10 sites right now that have it. It'll be around forever. Hell, Daniel Pearl was killed (Beheaded also, but he was deceased already) in 2002, and about 15 sites still have the video up.
I know Drudge has it hosted, I wouldn't be surprised to find it on Limbaugh's site (Though i won't even go look at that dude's site), I'd imagine some deathheads have it (The aforementioned "Faces of Death" crowd). KaZaa. People will be able to see that thing in 20 years.
THAT i don't like, but it was relevant for a little while.
madmaxine
05-21-2004, 11:22 PM
I apologize if ALTDiscoLawyer feels like he's being called a traitor for questioning the video. (And I'm glad your brother escaped harm in Bali.) I went to to read the arguement for calling the video staged. But I do not feel that most of these arguements are valid. That is my opinion.
Another reason I did not find it hard to believe that a young American man could get plucked off the street and murdered on camera in Iraq is that my cousin (in the Army) who just returned from there, said that some Americans there eschew military escorts or affiliations. That's what happened to the four contractors who were shot, burned and strung up on the bridge in Fallujah- they went out without an escort and got caught.
I know this string has been tough to read and confrontational, but some of us here have very strong feelings.
Rhiannon
05-21-2004, 11:25 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't take the the opinions of that site seriously. They should just stick to the alien investigations.
Madcap
05-21-2004, 11:30 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't take the the opinions of that site seriously. They should just stick to the alien investigations.
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Rhiannon
05-21-2004, 11:39 PM
Heh.. What really cracks me up though, is the claim that a second cameraman (supposedly a US serviceman) sticks his head into the shot for a couple of seconds. His ear and hat are visible. Blah Blah.
Anyone with even the least bit of video-editing skill can tell that was clearly added in. Hell, I could take a few frames of myself and stick it in there and claim to have been there. I've watched the video numerous times, and never once did I see that. Believe me, I looked. I even broke it down frame by frame. Nothing.
Blah.
DancerWealth
05-22-2004, 12:43 AM
Well I know you have a point, DW. But, the way they do things is something I will never be able to understand, and I don't even want to try.
I agree. I hope to never be able to understand or relate to their mentality. It's sick.
I spent the rest of the night talking with her, and learning all that I could. That inspired me to research the Holocaust, I find new fact all the time. I'll never forget her first-hand experience though.
There were some amazing stories that came out of that war. I don't talk about this much, but I figure it's relevant in this context. As I have mentioned a few times in here, I'm Jewish as is my family history. My grandfather (on my father's side) was a doctor in Germany during the 20s and 30s. When the war broke out, my father was in his teens as with his 2 year younger sister. When the anti-semetic hatred started to spread in Germany, the family was split apart and scattered through the country. From what I'm told, there was a lot of people in our family at the time including the several brothers and sisters my grandfather had, his wife (my grandmother) also had many siblings, and parents, and nieces, nephews, etc. Once the war broke out, communication among the family was virtually impossible. My grandfather had a lot of friends in high political power in Germany and was working on getting his immediate family out of the country. He managed to get his wife and two kids (my father and aunt) to a ghetto in Shanghai, China, where a lot of jews went to escape the war. He lost communication with his own parents and sister who he was also trying to get out so there was nothing he could do. He had to stay behind in Germany to tidy up on some last minute details he was working on to eventually get the family legally into the United States. During this time, he was captured by the Nazis and put into a forced labor camp and then was eventually transfered into a concentration camp. During this time, his immediate family was in Shanghai with thousands of other Jews, but at the time, the Chinese was fighting the Japanese so everyone there was caught in the middle quite frequently.
Before my grandfather was sentenced to the "showers" (gas chambers) his friends working in the underground managed to get him released. He met up with the rest of the family and in a short period of time, received acceptance into the United States. It wasn't until after the war did they realize the true horror. Every member of the rest of the family was dead with the exception of his sister. In total, it was over 90 people ranging from 5 years old on up. Many of them were sent to gas chambers, many died in concentration camps, and many were executed, and he found out that his parents were shot in front of his sister while the nazi soldiers laughed and let her live. Out of the entire family, they were the only survivors.
We don't even have family photos from that era because they had to be left behind in Germany. It is this reason why I personally am so passionate about eliminating evil people in their tracks. I know a lot of people are unhappy about us being in Iraq and I can understand their complaints. I for one though am very happy we are there because when I hear the stories of how Hussein sentenced people he didn't like to die by feeding them feet-first into tree shredders, I know we are doing the right thing. In my heart, we cut this guy off before he was able to take his maniacal beliefs into that creating a real third world war much the same way Hitler did in '38.
One fortunate thing that did come from my distant family though. When they made it to the United States, they had nothing. One of the first things my grandfather did when he started to earn a living was to buy new wedding rings for he and his wife. My grandparents past away before I was born, but I'm very proud to say that my wedding band was his, and my wife wears my grandmothers band in addition to the ring I got her. It helps to remind me that people truly can overcome any of life's obstacles no matter how horrible.
Rhiannon
05-22-2004, 12:06 PM
Wow.. Thanks for sharing your story with us, DW. Your Grandfather was a true survivor.
My ex husband's Aunt Clara passed away a few years after the Bat Mitzvah, but she had visited us quite a bit in those years. One story that chilled me to the bone and burned in my memory, is her story of a pregnant teenager who was in the barracks with her. She was about 7 months pregnant when she arrived at the camp. The Nazi doctors came into the barracks, and in front of everyone, induced this young girl's labor. Immediately after the delivery, the doctors played football with the newborn until it was dead. They then drop it into his mother's arms. She had passed away during the night, due to internal bleeding. She and the baby were not immediately removed, either. Clara had said that it was about 2 or 3 days before they finally came and took their bodies away.
I can't imagine all the unaccounted stories. The things she told me were horrible enough.
Thanks again for sharing your story, DW. Not a lot of people like to talk about the Holocaust, because they'd prefer to believe that it didn't happen. It's the stories that keep it alive. People need that. It's a reminder of mortality, and the cruelty of the world as well.