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And I'm going to agree with doc-catfish's statement about "ghetto" customers. Personally, I have equal hatred for everyone. Doesn't matter your race...if you're an asshole...then you're an asshole. Wait...am I now an orificeist????
Bridgette
06-09-2004, 02:47 PM
Ok doc I have to agree with you about the distinctions between young and "ghetto" vs simple race. But as a long time dancer I can tell you that most customers don't make that distinction. They see a group of black guys coming in and they automatically get nervous. I see it everyday.
About your first response to my first post about racist customers: That was taken out of context. The reference there was about the customers not wanting to be around a lot of black customers (who get drawn in by large numbers of black dancers).
Just making observations about what I've seen over the years.
White people in this context are most uncomfortable with people of other races least like them.
If two 40+ black men walk in a club the white customers most likely will not become "nervous" as they get when 3-4 twentysomething brothers dressed in hip hop attire walk in. the same with hispanic guys. the young ethnic guys that come in groups scare white men. Why I don't know? They are just there to party like the older white guys, right?
Of course, the problem is with the white men, isn't it? The older white men preach this color blind society crap, but are afraid to patronize a business in an area where they are not the majority.
All I can say to any older white men reading this is stop fearing people different than you. The young black or hispanic guys coming in the club in groups aren't there to hassle you. They could give a damn about you. They are there to have fun just as you are.
so my decision to give up on this pipe dream was a smart one then huh...
since all the customers are racist...as you all are saying...and don't want 'them nigger bitches' in the clubs...
Firstly, no one said the N word Topaz. :o Being that you are black, I guess you can say it and not get flamed but no one here has said it, nor will they. Thats a disgusting word for ANYONE to use...
Anyway, I think you are very negative. I have never seen a happy, or even neutral post from you. :( No, its not that ALL managers or ALL customers are racist. Thats ignorant to say. And Melonie was not being racist either, she was pointing out what in most cases can be true, or what managers THINK may be true. Just because she relayed the information doesnt make her racist. I hate how that word is thrown around so easily whenever a topic like this comes up. So let me guess, because I defended certain remarks makes me racist? Not a chance...
Topaz
06-09-2004, 06:37 PM
i never called anyone a racist...and never implyed that anyone was (or is) one...but i get accused of doing just that...
i don't have to imply anything...if i think someone is a racist...i will say so directly...i did not do that...i just stated how i interpret the things being said here...and get accused of calling people racist...
i express my thought and feelings about another's thoughts and get accused of calling people names...well...i guess i won't express myself here anymore...
i noticed that others have used the words racist and racism in their posts here...directing them towards specific people even...yet i'm the one that gets jumped on...oh well...y'all won't get that chance again...
:alien:
i never called anyone a racist...and never implyed that anyone was (or is) one...but i get accused of supposedly doing just that...
i don't have to imply anything...i just stated how i interpret the thinks being said here...and get accused of calling people racist...
i express my thought and feelings about another's thoughs and get accused of calling people names...well...i guess i should not express myself anymore...
Look at what I quoted in my previous post! You said that no one wants a N bitch... thats a racist as it comes.
Topaz, no one needs to tell you to continue to posting, or not to. I think you should just adopt a happier attitude. You're always upset, or think that everyone is out to get you because you are black. Hey someone mentioned about hispanics not complaining....and being hispanic myself, I DONT cry about that ever. Sure, I get mad when people talk shit about how "ALL" cubans came on a boat, or how spanish people all talk with a lisp. (Cause I am both, but sorry, none of my family came on a boat and none speak with a lisp)
I ignore their ignorant asses...
But anyway, I just think that people always take these threads to the extreme. Even when people arent being racist they get called on it.
Its scary! Sheesh!
Topaz
06-09-2004, 07:05 PM
when my life gets better...happier....whatever...then i'll be happier...until then...y'all won't be hearing from me...
Why do you take this so personally as if people are always directing the comments towards you? There are plenty of black dancers on here who give their input and information and dont run off because of a thread like this. ???
hmmm
sander8son
06-09-2004, 07:11 PM
lexi, whats wrong with boats? most immigrants have arrived to this country via boat. who gives a shit how someone or their ancestors came here? how is that an insult?
ah topaz, i think you'll still be posting here. ive said "thats it, fuck this site" too many times to count too, but somehow, i keep posting.
lexi, whats wrong with boats? most immigrants have arrived to this country via boat. who gives a shit how someone or their ancestors came here? how is that an insult?
ah topaz, i think you'll still be posting here. ive said "thats it, fuck this site" too many times to count too, but somehow, i keep posting.
Let me rephrase, Sanderson. "Aww did your family come on rowboats or rafts?" shit like that. Its an indirect insult, but I dont cry about it every five minutes. Thats what I am getting at. Or the "cuban national anthem" row row row your boat. :haha: Sure its funny, but its not cute to always get the comment. Not that I really give a shit, Im just making a comparison.
sander8son
06-09-2004, 07:18 PM
ha, thats petty good.
in response you should say something to the extent of, "hey, atleast it was our boat. we didn't sneak into the cargo hold of a british liner like your good for nothing drunkin mick ancestors." play around with that one and develop a line, thats all im getting at this moment.
Sparkell
06-09-2004, 08:03 PM
And I'm going to agree with doc-catfish's statement about "ghetto" customers. Personally, I have equal hatred for everyone. Doesn't matter your race...if you're an asshole...then you're an asshole. Wait...am I now an orificeist????
^^^^ Agree'
I know ive seen assholes of all kinds mostly yes young boys of all kinds...thats means white college boys,black young fellas,and samn with mexican and chinese men....
Oh yea and nice BuNz Lexi!! :D
Sparkell, thank you hun. LOL I saw your pics, and you seem to have a great :butthead: too. :) :highfive:
Thanks!
bibacle
06-10-2004, 01:12 PM
Don't develp a comeback line. Don't stoop to their level. Try to remember that there's only one color that counts in a strip club....Green! ;)$$$$$$$$$$ ;)
Sparkell
06-10-2004, 01:15 PM
Sparkell, thank you hun. LOL I saw your pics, and you seem to have a great :butthead: too. :) :highfive:
Thanks!
thankies! :D
sander8son
06-10-2004, 01:37 PM
Don't develp a comeback line. Don't stoop to their level. Try to remember that there's only one color that counts in a strip club....Green! ;)$$$$$$$$$$ ;)
bahhhhhhhhhhhhh, you're no fun. stooping to a lower level is always the way to go if you're looking for a good time.
"i'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." b. Joel
bibacle
06-10-2004, 03:18 PM
the sinners have MUCH more fun...... ;D
I know alot of threads have touched on this subject but I wanted to bring to everyones attention the injustic of there not being alot of black dancers in upscale clubs. Now I am not black but do have black girlfriends and I noticed alot of very beautiful black dancers recently get turned down at auditions at my club recently. I think black women are very beautiful. Infact I think most women of color are usually more beautful than white women (expecialy mullato women but that is just my prefference) If I were a man quite frankly I would be pissed at the lack of black women in my club and lack of women of color generally in upscale gentlemen's clubs. I know everyone says that upscale gentlemen don't like women of color that much but it really upsets me when the tell a sexy black dancer that we are full of dancers and then the next day hire a white dancer that was half as pretty and half as charming. Why is this going on in 2004?
Lilac666 thankyou for starting this thread
lilac-
I've seen the same thing in my relatively small-time club. I've seen quite a few black dancers get hired only to last a few weeks a month tops in my main club.
You are so true about this. There's a lot of top ten black women at scores within the last 2 weeks but I know it's a matter of time before they start to clean.
It is extremely unfair. I work in a couple of upscale clubs and there are many men who like dancers of different ethnicities. And shame on club management for not taking heed to that fact.
In order for management to take heed to that fact, or any other fact period it would require them to pull their heads out of their asses,coke pile, some whores twat etc and actually give a flying fuck about what goes on in the clubs as opposed to how much money they bank, dancers they bang or coke they snort on a weekly basis
Tina I completely agree with you 100%
If variety is marketed properly,this business wouldn't be declining as badly as it is.
Sitara if you're reading this, now I hope you understand the reason why I didn't like the fact that you have girls removed from tables because this is what the host would do to black dancers no matter how beautifull they were mainly because of the color of their skin and other times because they don't do extras.
DancerWealth
06-12-2004, 08:50 PM
the sinners have MUCH more fun...... ;D
...Darlin', only the good die young!
Hey, I'm not sure I like where this is going. :)
Bridgette
06-12-2004, 09:32 PM
White people in this context are most uncomfortable with people of other races least like them.
If two 40+ black men walk in a club the white customers most likely will not become "nervous" as they get when 3-4 twentysomething brothers dressed in hip hop attire walk in. the same with hispanic guys. the young ethnic guys that come in groups scare white men. Why I don't know? They are just there to party like the older white guys, right?
Of course, the problem is with the white men, isn't it? The older white men preach this color blind society crap, but are afraid to patronize a business in an area where they are not the majority.
All I can say to any older white men reading this is stop fearing people different than you. The young black or hispanic guys coming in the club in groups aren't there to hassle you. They could give a damn about you. They are there to have fun just as you are.
I agree with this totally, however I have seen my share of white guys get "nervous" or "agitated" when older black guys walk in too. I would add that alot of the young white guys react the same as the older ones when a group of ethnic guys enters the room. The worst example I have seen is a young white customer once kicked me in the shin because I had just done a dance for a black guy and then approached him after. I had barely walked up to the guy and he started spewing venomously to get away from him "you n----- lovin whore", then he kicked me. I also see white guys ALL the time who are checking me out big time as I'm working in their direction, and if a black guy (sometimes latinos too) stops me for a dance first the white guys won't even look at me after. Or they give me a REALLY cold shoulder when I approach after leaving an ethnic guy. It disgusts me but there is nothing I can do about it. You can talk til you're blue in the face to a racist and they will NEVER hear a word you say.
I think it's retarded that any guy can't just go in and enjoy himself without worrying about who's sitting at the next table.
TampaFldancer - I couldn't have said it better myself
This research is perplexing to me because I would consider myself a "woman of color" I guess but I dance for 80% white men a night. I would consider myself a dancer that makes very consistant money. So what gives?
^^^^^nk that is full of shit...and i dont even want to reply in thought to that because it will ruin my night...
but anyway its mostly like that with ethnic woman...the majority of my customers are white...and to be quite frank with you ive gotten asked plenty of times in a variety of diffrent upscale clubs...why is there only a few ethnic ladies....and all i can say...and not to be rude...is that "we are overpowered" now keep in mind its not the dancers falt...but i know one thing in the upscale clubs in vegas you have a shit load of ethnic ladies..and for a money marketing stragey the variety of different races of dancers in SF and Vegas is kickin ass !!
A club owner told me once that "as an employer, the government can order you to hire a certain percentage of blacks & hispanics. But nobody can order customers to do the same thing. It doesn't do any good to bring in more black dancers if my customers aren't going to buy as many private dances from them, and if my customers then wind up standing in line waiting to buy dances from the remaining white girls."
i dont know what ass hole told you that but obviously he dosent have to good of money marketing skill...
I noticed that on the west coast, but not here. I work in a very upscale gent's club and we have quite a few beautiful black dancers.
I also notice that they get most of their dances from white customers.
Being that this is an industry of fantasy, a lot of white, middle - upper class customers love the black dancers because being with a black woman is a fantasy to them - one which they could not live out outside of the safety of a club.
very tru sweety ;D
and to be even more honest on this topic...whilw people are more concerned at "booty shaking" why dont you look around at the clubs you work at and have been to...i see more WHITE and ASIAN girls at all the clubs in sf and vegas trying to "BOOTY SHAKE" than i do black girls period....
Well said Sparkell
Onlythebest - do you think you're better than blacks? that you have to put them in their class so you come out smelling like a rose?
Big Green MnM - you are definately a racist!!!... if you were at the bar and you rut ro... I'll be the first one to pop you.........
Melonie - I've agreed with a few of your replys in other threads but in this thread I'll have to say you come across as a racist! you've sound like you've been in the business for quite some time and dance all over, however you made sense with your reply to StripperTips.
Topaz - don't be discourage... your profile picture is beautiful and if the front of you is like that, I'll say knock them dead and laugh all the way to the bank $$$.
Sander8son - what's with the boats immigrant comments? The best thing I love about America is meeting people from all over the world without having to fly to other countries even thou I've had quite a bit of traveling.
Doc-catfish - you made a good point.
Bridget - I've worked both scores & vvvvip clubs & both got shoot-up while working there and the guys were white. I've also seen many fights with customers and none of them were black. So why would customers get nervous when black in the club? The drug dealers are also non-blacks but are welcome because they drop big bucks on expensive champage. Do you think it would be the same if they were black? I'm sorry to hear about the unfortunate kick in the chin from the racist white trash... where do you work? what state? I've only worked in nyc/manhattan upscale clubs so I'm not familiar with other states clientel.
Wow! Ladysummer & Brendalee - I hahad no idea things are that bad outside NY, where do you work?
Nina - you're well educated and you're about what you say.
DestinyDevine - oh so true.....
Not looking for a fight but had to say my peace.
Open season anyone?.......... I can breathe now!........
Diva
I must say Scores East & West is the most fair when hiring a variety staff of all ethnic backgrounds ( dancers, bouncers, champagne host, bartenders, massage girls, shot girls, waitresses, bar backs, make-up artist, house moms, Dj's, ect ) blacks, whites, hispanic, asians, etc . They have the most beautifull black dancers and yes they do appear on the calendars, website and the face of the funny money. The black Dj at Penthouse use to work at scores a while back. However the case is, there's always politics and some haters racist mother fuckers and soon there's a house cleaning if there's too much. I always smell it learking around even a mile away.
Sitara7817
06-16-2004, 06:52 PM
good dam Diva!!! i had to skip through most of it!. . . my head HURTS! ok my 2cents! i make ALOT of money at PEC but im gonna tell you this i went there twice and GARY would not hire me. . (we have enough girls blah, blah). . . and i was coming from Scores. . . long story short. . . Terrence saw me and i was hired. . . right away i was banking. . i called my "working partner" and she came up also. . .. . . we cleaned up. . . they= customers loved us. . . after i was in the room for hours during the first week i went to find gary. . . i told him. . BIG MISTAKE for NOT HIRING ME AT FIRST! and he was speechless. . . i told him he should have more "women of color on the floor" because the customers love us and want more. . . all night people said where are the Chocolate Bunnies? (my term for black girls) . . .anyway. . .gary is not here anymore. . . thank god!
polecat
06-16-2004, 07:40 PM
If two 40+ black men walk in a club the white customers most likely will not become "nervous" as they get when 3-4 twentysomething brothers dressed in hip hop attire walk in. the same with hispanic guys. the young ethnic guys that come in groups scare white men. Why I don't know? They are just there to party like the older white guys, right?
If three or four twentysomething guys (any race) in hip-hop attire strollll-in, all pimp-talkin', and whatnot.. They can be perceived as being there to be rude, obnoxious assholes the greatest majority of the time.
The reason why the 40+ crew gets uncomfortable is because they rarely are in the condition to do anything about it, which challenges a certain degree of cowardice- which is not something a older guy wants to have to deal with when he's out for a night of entertainment. If one of those rap-star wannabee's cops a free feel or makes a generationally misunderstood comment in front of the older gentleman, his inaction doesn't make him feel good.. even though it's the smartest thing he can do. This is the discomfort you see.
If they behave themselves, there is never an issue. Unfortunately, even behaving themselves is often times looked at as disrespectful to the guys who aren't familiar with the lingo. Hell, the first time a "hip-hopper" said "Dude, yer pimp!" to me, I was ... a bit disgruntled.. no clue it was some sort of honorable title by their ideology.
This is all pretty off-topic though from the original thread premise... concerning beautiful women of color in the stripclubs. I'm happy to say there is fantastic black-woman representation in the SF stripclubs, but of a discouragingly low quantity. By representation, I mean they employee women of color from 5-10 in beauty scale, so at least they aren't limited to just the "10's" like other regions. The clubs (any scale) usually only have two to five black women with 4-5x that of other races. This definately isn't to proportion with the racial makeup of the region nor the customer base.
Sitara-
I loved reading your story! It almost always does come down to one prick manager that has some sort of bias. I'm glad you went around him.
It doesn't make any sense though really! I mean, if a dancer isn't able to make payouts, then she'll quit or be fired soon after being hired. It seems kind of dumb to not give a motivated, beautiful and professional appearing dancer the *chance* to prove herself.
scorpio
06-16-2004, 08:55 PM
clubs are a business and not a social charity. If the club is in a locale where it was prudent to hire black dancers because of demand, they would do it. If not, well then, they wont. Thats just the way it is.
Sitara7817
06-17-2004, 11:29 AM
honey, there was a demand for me. . . and everyone of them wanted to know where are the rest of us!. . . i told them honestly how it is. . . and to reconfirm a few statemwnts. . . when i was forst hired there where only a few black girls. . . (i.e 3 or four) and all of us have a "crossover" appeal. . . i even made more money when i lighted my hair. . .
Sitara7817
06-17-2004, 11:30 AM
i did not spell check. . . *sorry*
Topaz
06-17-2004, 03:10 PM
"clubs are a business and not a social charity. If the club is in a locale where it was prudent to hire black dancers because of demand, they would do it. If not, well then, they wont. Thats just the way it is."
...once again...i rest my case...if i'm not 'in demand'...why even waste my time trying...only to be 'shot down'...
blondhottie
06-17-2004, 03:43 PM
Topaz, is that your picture in your avatar? If so, you look very pretty.
Saying black girls are not "in demand" is BS. The black girls I work with generally make as much or more than the white girls make on a regular basis.
Topaz
06-17-2004, 04:03 PM
that's not me y'all...found it in the list of avatar's here...
:thinking:
but if i got one of those super long wigs...and some more back art...hmmmm...
Topaz you are in demand, be strong, confident and positive and go to work and screw all the racist bullshit.
Dancing is beauty, great body and personality. Walk in any club you desire with the right attitude and you'll get hired. Goodluck! make that money girl $$$.
I think it's a stupid move for any club not to have a variety of ethnicity. My favorite club was really good about that and I can't tell you how many times I heard customers say they wish more clubs would get on the ball with that!
Many people are so beautifully mixed now-it makes for some of the most interestingly gorgeous women :dazzled:
I have this theory that the answer to world peace actually lies in the mixing of races. Race supremest types just hate me ;D
well put Tigerlily :10:
Melonie
06-18-2004, 03:57 AM
actually, the NBA seems to have the same problems discussing the social versus financial aspects of this issue as we seem to ...
"Though I’m not sure Bird is right, I can certainly make the argument for him. Even black hip-hop culture, which has captivated white suburban kids, seems to fire on all cylinders—the music, the movie, the mooning on the MTV awards—when a white superstar like Eminem is channeling it. And the NBA is a more challenging sell, since kids can’t pay its freight. The league needs the middle-aged dads and corporate fat cats who have little affinity with the cultural style of today’s young, black players."
catfly
06-18-2004, 09:21 PM
I'd say what makes big spending customers leave/avoid a club, is when it is taken over by "ghetto" customers (of ANY race). If a group of black customers come in properly dressed, act like gentlemen, and enjoy the show instead of trying to become part of it, that doesn't intimidate or bother me a bit.
But when I see a bunch of guys come in dressed in FUBU attire and backwards ballcaps, who sit up at the stage in front of everyone, harass the dancers, spend very little, and dance to rap music when it gets played, it is very distracting. When I'm distracted, my mood is not condusive to me spending money, on anybody. I in fact want to get the hell out of there. And it's not a racial thing, because I see as many white "ghetto" customers as nonwhite ones, particularly at non-alcohol clubs because they let 18-20 year old bums in.
The only common denominator about this bunch is that they are young and are mostly into hard core rap or hip-hop. I grew up on heavy metal myself, and it was probably true that back in the 1980's, the headbanger crowd represented the "problem demographic" at SC's because that's what the younger crowd was into. Now many of those very same guys are in their 30's and 40's, have good paying jobs and money to spend. In 15-20 years from now, that will likely change again.
This is exactly what I see happen in my club. I think Bill Cosby got it right. And, he's BLACK! This would be why clubs don't want this crowd in their clubs. It's a new trend among young kids today. I don't like working in this environment either. It makes me want to get the hell out of there too.
Also, there is a language barrier. Most ghetto kids speak 'ebonics'. I can't get a dance out of someone who does not speak english. It's no different than trying to get a dance from a mexican immigrant who speaks no english. Or anyone for that matter that does not speak english.
And, if a manger at a club does not take the time to determine whether you should be hired is lazy and you don't want to work there anyway.
By the way, I have been turned down by bigger clubs because of my looks. I am Italian, and I look it. My dark hair also makes me look "too gothic" for their "barbie doll look" clubs. It's not about race, it's about looks and class. I am older (31), which also gets me turned away. However, I don't worry about it. There are 50 clubs in my city to choose from. Someone WILL hire me, I will make lots of money there, and the clubs who didn't hire me - it's their loss!
brendalee
06-18-2004, 09:52 PM
Would you get a dance from me? Scores said I didn't have enough spark. What the hell does that mean? It was such a long time ago completly forgot about it.
scorpio
06-18-2004, 10:12 PM
I don't mean that Black girls aren't demand. I see from your pics, and from experiance, that there are many sexy, beautiful women of color out there. But if YOUR PARTICULAR locale isn't supporting alot of demand, then as a club owner, I really wouln't hire many women of color. That goes for any "type" heck, if Blonds with big tits weren't in demand and I owned a club, I wouldn't hire them either.
Sparkell
06-18-2004, 10:48 PM
Polecat :This is all pretty off-topic though from the original thread premise... concerning beautiful women of color in the stripclubs. I'm happy to say there is fantastic black-woman representation in the SF stripclubs, but of a discouragingly low quantity. By representation, I mean they employee women of color from 5-10 in beauty scale, so at least they aren't limited to just the "10's" like other regions. The clubs (any scale) usually only have two to five black women with 4-5x that of other races. This definately isn't to proportion with the racial makeup of the region nor the customer base.
i agree! and im in sf right now and this is were i started and i love how they run thier clubs to be more diverse then thies other hick towns that dont like ethnic women....in sf everyone has a chance to be reconized...wether you Tits are as BIG as you HEad or if you are ethnic or if your blonde...
brendalee
06-18-2004, 11:48 PM
spakell you are so beautiful. How do you like san fransico. Was thinking about moving down there. Want to hear something funny, I don't even know how to booty shake. I have been practicing for months but can't seem to make my deerie move.
Sparkell
06-19-2004, 02:49 PM
spakell you are so beautiful. How do you like san fransico. Was thinking about moving down there. Want to hear something funny, I don't even know how to booty shake. I have been practicing for months but can't seem to make my deerie move.
lmaoooooooo gurl it iz soooo easy...if you come out here ill teach ya...any who i love it in sf...but im moving back to vegas in the near future..because my house is almost ready....im finally stepping it up into a house...my new home...hahaha...im so juiced! :10: Oh yea and thanks for the compliment..!! :D
Sparkell and brendalee, you both are very pretty. :)
Sparkell
06-19-2004, 10:30 PM
Thankz lexi!! :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
Rawkergirl64
06-20-2004, 01:11 AM
I am astonished that you feel that you can compare the struggles of the Irish to the struggles of a people that have been enslaved and can be identified as soon as they walk into a room, by their skin color. There is no comparison.
No comparison? I am a decendant of an Irish slave....and I am a red- haired Irishman, know what that makes me to my own people? Black Irish, that's what.In todays terms that would make me an irish (insert racial slur here) to be blunt.
I'm not trying to cause waves... just thought that I would point out that Irishmen were once slaves also.
I was going to answer the same, but you beat me to it. Thank you, brother.
While the color of our skin (I'm a black female) can be the first thing someone uses to place judgement on us--and yes it pisses me off--, it does not mean our historical tragedies are any worse than any other group's. How many Irish were killed because they spoke Irish, resisted converting to Catholicism, or refused to give up their land? Many. The Irish immigrants even were considered lower than the black slaves, because they were not worth money! Sad but true in the f*cked up history of our country, of the world. Jewish, Irish, African, Chinese, Native American, whatever-- we all have been f*cked over somehow. Anyway, not trying to preach to the choir, brother. I'm just venting, and I'm glad to see your post.
I didn't know about the red-hair stigma thing. Man, sounds like the light-skinned blacks vs. the dark-skinned blacks bullcrap. Whatever makes people feel better about themselves. Sheesh! :rolleyes: Our maker's hands are full!
Peace.
Rawkergirl64
06-20-2004, 01:59 AM
And Lilac, Ricks has always been a whites only type of club. They hardly allowed black music to be played. Their Galleria club in Houston is doing so badly that the word on the street is that it will change names and become a "upscale black club". That alone tells you the Ricks people see blacks differently than whites.
Well, it did happen. The Galleria Rick's is now called "Onyx," a black gentlemen's club. When a friend told me, I was heartbroken, but only because I've been a regular at that location for several years and loved seeing my favorite dancers work the hard rock and alternative music. My nights have mostly been Fridays and/or Saturdays, and I've always seen a better mix of ethnicities than at the other area clubs. That's another reason why I enjoyed going there.
Apparently, Mr. Langan saw how well a couple of Dallas upscale black gentlemen's clubs were doing. He had to have been VERY impressed to make such a change. Anyway, I'm going to check out "Onyx." It's a great location. I hope it becomes a profitable club for all dancers.
Question: Are there any white dancers that have ever been refused employment at or given a hard time for working at a black club? If this question just fans the flames of this already-blazing three-alarm thread, then just forget I asked. I'll grab my curiousity and go back to my room. :scared:
Melonie
06-20-2004, 08:11 AM
Question: Are there any white dancers that have ever been refused employment at or given a hard time for working at a black club? If this question just fans the flames of this already-blazing three-alarm thread, then just forget I asked. I'll grab my curiousity and go back to my room.
I've been given the "same medicine" in hispanic clubs, who only allow a quota of a couple of 'token barbies'.
SuperDude
06-20-2004, 08:52 PM
Racial discrimination is a real fact of life in every major industry in America. Owners and managers of all businesses have a fixed, unwritten and undisclosed quota on how many blacks to hire and where to put them. Black dancers would find it hard to take their case to court, but they have a good one.
Racial discrimination is a real fact of life in every major industry in America. Owners and managers of all businesses have a fixed, unwritten and undisclosed quota on how many blacks to hire and where to put them. Black dancers would find it hard to take their case to court, but they have a good one.
Ok, but how could it work? See, there was a guy who tried to sue HOOTERS because they didnt hire him as a waitress. ::) Gimme a break. Now, he was saying they were discriminating.
Or better yet, how about when they dont hire a "thicker" girl, or one who isnt so pretty? Can she sue?
My point is, how can they come up with a lawsuit, when the club or managers will only deny that it had to do with that and that it had tro do with the person/people not having the "look" or that they were not hiring at that particular moment?
JettaStarr
05-17-2005, 06:09 PM
I know that a specific club in Vegas(an upsale one) keeps their selection of ethnic girls to a minimum and it has something to do with their affiliation with Hells Angels I believe or some biker group. Its very unfair... and its usually an issue with managment and their preference or what they are told thier perference is. :(
quoth_the_raven
05-17-2005, 08:54 PM
Wow! This thread is somethin else! So heated! :hot: Put simply, it is silly to make assumptions about anyone because of the way they look, but it happens all the time. For example, in my area, a lot of those "young thugs" that make the middle-aged white men nervous are actually just Navy guys trying desperately not to look Navy.
Every time I start at a new club, some dancer/dj/manager feels the need to tell me that "we don't play hip-hop or rap here." I just laugh because little do they know,the only cds I carry with me are Linkin Park, Korn, and the soundtrack from "Queen of the Damned." The funny thing is, when I get on stage, the white guys are always asking me to dance to some hip-hop. Sometimes I just do it to oblige them. It makes me laugh when the other dancers find out which music I prefer and they say "oh, you're a white girl" or "you're so white." Either that, or the way I speak makes me "so proper" or "prissy." I just giggle and tell them I didn't spend $20K on school for nothing. Since when does being open-minded and/or educated make you not black?
I think in this industry, you just have to play the game and be whatever they want you to be. Someone already said we are there to provide a fantasy. I have to work extra-hard to get the guys attention, but eventually they always give me the "always wanted to be with a black girl" etc and i just go along with it. Some people just don't know any better. But to me that proves that its not the custys that don't want us there, it is the mgrs fear of us turning it into a ghetto club. As a dancer in ultra-redneck va, I also go through a lot of the "we're not hiring" crap and the clubs here are not even upscale. It pisses me off, butI just move on to the next one cuz I know I'm sexy :curlers: and someone will hire me eventually. Since I've been on this site I have seriously been thinking about just moving somewhere else where variety is more appreciated.
And Brendalee, I can't do the booty-shake thing either. Maybe I don't have enough to jiggle back there? ;D
quoth_the_raven
05-17-2005, 08:55 PM
Wow, did I just write all that crap? Shows what happens when you're bored.
cinammonkisses
05-18-2005, 11:36 AM
Your right on the money Raven...
I'm kinda nervous myself actually. I'm going to work in a club this weekend up in Mansfield, Ohio :-\ I've talked to the manager there over the phone a few times and he's all like yea, come on in, ready to work...
But I wonder if his attitude will change once a black girl walks in this *cough* hick *cough* establishment. I'm gonna be a model at the Mid-Ohio track this weekend, so I thought what the hell ya know. LOL I'll never see these losers again anyway.
Oh well, like I said, I hope they accept me with open arms...not just the club...but the customers inside as well. Until then, I will just :pray: :pray:
~CK