View Full Version : Black dancers in Upscale gentlemen's clubs
girlinmd
05-18-2005, 01:50 PM
cinnamon, you are gonna do fine. usually when i am harshest on myself about my "appearance", those are the times i do well.
seriously though, there are white dancers that really do get it as bad as black ones do. i spoke to a couple, and what they went through is no joke.
but really, when you don't give a certain dancer, and i say certain meaning a dancer who REALLY has it together--hair, makeup, body -- the works, a chance because she is black or asian or latina, whatever -- you shortchange not only the dancer but the customer as well.
there are white people who want to hear hip-hop just as there are black people who want to hear pop or alternative. to each their own. let the customer make the choice. i refuse to listen to "black dancers attract ghetto customers" as a reason. the managers have their own agendas.
quoth_the_raven
05-18-2005, 03:50 PM
:peace: Good Luck! Charm 'em to death before they notice what color you are!
I agree with the last post :) Saying that we'll attract ghetto customers is just an excuse to keep us out. Several people have said minorities are not getting hired because the customers are predominantly white, but personal experience has shown me that customers generally like variety. Looking at 50 of anything blondes,brunettes,or whatever, no matter how beautiful they are, is gonna get boring after a while. I always have custys asking me if there are more girls like me. Same thing goes with music. Clubs need to stop classifying people by the music they listen to. I think instead of using common sense, the mgrs go by what they prefer. They don't care about the customers or the girls >:(
onlythebest
05-18-2005, 03:54 PM
LOL,I had forgotten about this thread.
rawkergirl
05-18-2005, 04:43 PM
LOL,I had forgotten about this thread.
hahaha! Me, too! What a hot potato.
~thinking "my posts were kinda alright-- I think I knew what I was talking about."~ ;D
onlythebest
05-18-2005, 04:59 PM
hahaha! Me, too! What a hot potato.
~thinking "my posts were kinda alright-- I think I knew what I was talking about."~ ;D
*thinking,"I don't give a damn if anyone like mine"*
LOL!!!
dollylocks
05-29-2005, 04:14 AM
hmm. what a depressing issue....
candy!
enigmagraphics
07-18-2005, 09:21 AM
Honestly lets be real about it its not cool if you exclude all black dancer because your afraid that they will bring"the wrong element" to a club...if the dancer is ghetto ass hell but she know when to be hood and when to be professional then its a good thing because she can cater to both black & white...and don't get it twisted some white guys like to see a black girl shake that ass...I'm from Detroit and when I used to goto the clubs on business they would be packed with black, arabic & white guys without a problem...
and the thing about the music...thats foul music is music...hip hop right now is in a fad phase....the bling era is finally on its way out (thank you Jesuuuuuuuuus) and real music is back....Radio plays or tells you what you think is good music....and Sista was right blacks are still going thru a struggle everyday and there is music that tells you the real....I've never seen a dancer shake her ass to Dead Prez or Mos Def's Mr. Nigger (its a song download it)
Racism is still alive its just in a different form....Our struggle as blacks in america is different then an Irish or Arabic American...this country was forge from our blood and bones...we are the children of years of mental abuse and prejudice let make that clear....As a black graphic designer I can't sell my artwork to some people because they think my work is ghetto or they see me and think because I'm a large black man that I'm about to rob the place and until they sit down and have a conversation with me and look at my work....as a people (everyone) maybe one day we won't see everyone by there skin first...maybe
BigGreenMnM
07-18-2005, 12:47 PM
hmm. what a depressing issue....
candy!
and shamful.
Take any list of the top 10-20 strip clubs in the country,and then look at the actual number of woc on staff.
If you really want to see something rare,try to walk into any of those top 20 clubs,and find two woc on stage at the same time.
Im not saying there isnt clubs that have more woc on staff then white girls here in the usa,im saying there is a list here somewhere,of the top 20 clubs in the country.
I cant find the list.
But if someone came up with a list of top 20 clubs across this country,im sure the woc would be around 20% of the rotation list.
(oddly enough,thats was about the same % on HBO's cathouse and dancehall divas):)
Celtic Knight
07-18-2005, 02:35 PM
}:D The clubs I go to have all kinds of women. This is true both on Long Island and West Palm Beach. Don't most mongers believe that variety is the spice of life?
leilanicandy
08-29-2005, 11:32 PM
A woman is a women, they come in differant shade and body shapes. I blame the racism on the media. Television show a lot negative images of differant races. Which do not help bring people togethier ad humanbeing, but divide them into groups. Creating sterotypes!I seen many beautiful women of differant races. To be honest with you I think majority of the men do not care, it is just a small % that have not step into the future. We have more important issue in the world. Like the costly war thats killing all are soilders in Iraq. Then well lets not hire this woman because she might not bring the type of men, we want in the club.
MinahSky
08-29-2005, 11:49 PM
GOD!! Why are there so many "black/african american/colored (gag) dancer threads? CRIMINY!
The managers that don't hire any black girls don't know how well they WILL do because they dont' hire any.
Not all black girls are ghetto.
Not all black girls listen to rap music.
None of my custies are black.
I am one of the top 3 earners in my club if not the top one.
I don't drink/smoke/do drugs, etc.
I dont' clap my booty.
<sigh>
quoth_the_raven
08-30-2005, 09:33 AM
It's a case of not searching before starting a new thread.
Plus, a lot of these threads are really old and keep getting bumped.
Oops, now I did it...
Foxey
08-30-2005, 01:26 PM
Club managers and owners can be so ignorant. A lot of them will only hire who they want to see in their own bed and ignore the preferences of their customers. I've experienced this a lot as a rubenesque dancer. Yes, I am larger than most dancers but at the same time I'm very attractive (or so I've been told) I don't have rolls, nothing sags. I'm just round. I have some great costumes, I know how to carry myself, I have fantastic sales skills, and I put on a very good stage performance. Do you think I could get in at an upscale club? Hell no! It's the same bullshit, managers who won't hire minority girls and managers who won't hire curvy girls. In two years I have been insulted by customers to my face maybe three times, where as I've had at least 10 clubs turn be down because of my size. I can't count the times I've heard from customers "I wish there were more girls here with your body type! I don't like looking at small girls, it feels like looking at my 12 yr old daugther" and comments like that. I agree I know quite a few VERY classy WOC dancers. I don't find them to be rough around the edges at all. Discrimination sucks, in all of it's forms.
xoxo24
10-02-2005, 08:21 PM
I hate to bump this topic back up top but I think that this also greatly depends on what area you live in and whats more of a commonality in said area.
I currently live in Atlanta Georgia...I am female and visit strip clubs quite regularly.
I am not currently a dancer but Ive seen pretty much every strip in the Atlanta area.
If you were to go to a club such as Cheetah or Boomers, then no...you're not going to hear much hip hop and R&B b/c that specific club doesnt cater to those specific crowds.
If you go to Strokers or Magic City, then yes...you're going to hear hip hops top 20 and more b/c that is the type of crowd that those clubs cater to.
As far as the suggestion that many upscale clubs dont/wont hire ethnicities (mainly black), I would have to say that I definitely agree with this notion. I know many women (BEAUTIFUL black women) who have attempted to get jobs at these so called upscale locations and were turned away, told that they werent hiring and to 'check back in a few months,' and then the next day you'll hear a radio commercial or see an ad in the paper recruiting girls to "come and work for the most upscale club in _______." It happens, whether folks want to attest to it or not.
Like another poster said, I find it hard to believe that anyone with general business sense would not want a variety throughout their club. Even though a black girl may not bank like a white girl would at a club, there will ALWAYS be someone that will visit the club and enjoy their company all the same.
dedancer
10-02-2005, 09:30 PM
wow why are clubs like that. I worked at a upscale club before. Now that i think about it there wasnt that many black girls there. The club that im at now is almost half and half. Let me just say that the white older men that come in the club im in now love them some black booties. lol. One of my best friends is black that i work with and she alwayz makes great money.
JadeLondon
10-02-2005, 10:16 PM
and shamful.
If you really want to see something rare,try to walk into any of those top 20 clubs,and find two woc on stage at the same time.
At my club, they put up girls by the type of music they like, so everytime there is a hip-hop set, there's usually 3 black girls up (we have 3 stages) for a few songs, and then the lonely 1 or 2 white girls that dance to hip-hop get squeezed in rotation.
As I was reviewing this thread, I remembered last year watching VH1 do a countdown of the WORLD'S Hottest People (as in men and women were being judged together for hotness) and BEYONCE was named the hottest person on the planet.
So, if that's the new ideal of beauty - I imagine management should catch on at some point.
...but we know it's really not.
Sinnamon
10-14-2005, 02:07 AM
Just my opinion, but how do you expect to get hired in a club if in the back of your mind you think you won't get hired because you're black.Club managers like dogs can spot fear a mile away. I don't care how good you look, if you give off a vibe you can't make money(can't hustle), you might as well keep you're ass at home. If you go to every club in your town looking for a job and every one turns you down, I'd seriously consider finding another job.
kyra1105
06-07-2006, 01:15 AM
well girls in iceland every club loves dark skin and mixd girls.
It is good $ for white girls but gold mine for every one who is not white :D .
kyra1105
06-12-2006, 07:17 AM
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WE PAY 50% TRAVEL
Ms. Mia Roberts
10-29-2008, 09:24 PM
I would have to take a wild guess that your experience is somehow related to the probability that 80% of your club's customers (or at least 80% of those customers spending major money on private dances) are white men.
A club owner told me once that "as an employer, the government can order you to hire a certain percentage of blacks & hispanics. But nobody can order customers to do the same thing. It doesn't do any good to bring in more black dancers if my customers aren't going to buy as many private dances from them, and if my customers then wind up standing in line waiting to buy dances from the remaining white girls."
I know this thread is old as shit....but that is one of the most racist and bull shit opinions i have ever heard....
dannie_19
10-31-2008, 01:42 PM
ITA Mrs. Roberts. Some people are just ignorant and the more they think they know the more obvious it becomes.
modlgrl
11-01-2008, 02:14 PM
The reality is that club owners hire what appeals to their audience. This is why there are all different types of clubs.
Ms. Mia Roberts
11-01-2008, 02:56 PM
The reality is that club owners hire what appeals to their audience. This is why there are all different types of clubs.
this is a new age.....older club owners don't always know thier audience.....it used to be only old rich white guys who had the money in strip clubs.....now more and more black , hispanic and asian men are making alot of money and blowing it.... especially flows of sports players...
saphire123456
11-01-2008, 03:44 PM
yeah, but how often do sports players actuall come into your club?
modlgrl
11-01-2008, 03:56 PM
The club "sells" and "appeals" to their audience. It is up to the owner to decide what appeals to his audience, similar to how commercials and magazines appeal to their target market. I am not going to force my way into a club that hires dancers that are 115lbs if I am packing in at 240lbs, nor should clubs have to hire out of empathy. Strip clubs sell beauty and fantasy, and all clubs and their environments are different. What I am saying is find a club that works for you. I would not want to work at a club where I know I would not be making money.
MsLayne
11-01-2008, 04:15 PM
First off, being overweight and being a different color skin tone are two fucking completely different things. I can lose the weight but bleaching my skin is something completely different.
Why should women of color have to find a club just for them? White women are able to come and go as they please and sometimes as they are in any club. Why can't we do the same? Sorry if you don't know this already but club owners don't know everything. They are not say all of the world. Society has manufactered what is "beautiful" and "sexy".
How dare you compare being overweight to be a woman of color? That's asinine and ridiculous.
If there is money to be made, you better believe I want some of it. And if that means showing up with a different wig or look to auditon, you damn well better believe I'm going to find a way in that club.
modlgrl
11-01-2008, 04:29 PM
What I am saying is yes, you should make money, just find your niche.
Guys are attracted to different things, color, height wieght, etc. so they are all relevant.
MsLayne
11-01-2008, 06:25 PM
What you said in your previous post had nothing to do with finding a niche? What you said was if we are not wanted in an upscale club why keep trying. What niche should we find? Different color contacts, bleach our hair....I don't understand what you are trying to say?
Miss_Luscious
11-02-2008, 08:28 AM
And once again we have girls saying we just need to forget about it and move on. STOP SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS!!!!!! Why the FUCK should we have just move along? That shit is wrong and racist and if we have to slink off to other clubs with our tails between our legs because we are black then that's BULLSHIT.
This shit is pissing me off. I see it every time black dancers start discussing racism in the industry and I'm sick of it. No amount of justification can make it OK and I wish people would stop marginalizing our fucking problems.
And then someone always chimes in with, "Well I'm brunette/flat chested/whatever and I think a manager didn't hire me because he wanted a blond/ big tits/etc. so I know what you guys are going through but I just moved on so you should too." SHUT THE FUCK UP! It's not the same fucking thing!
davka
11-02-2008, 12:19 PM
haha
yeah
it's also just another example of white people telling people of color how to feel, trying to monopolize everything about life.
Like you need her to come in and tell you that working at a place that doesn't make you money is not good. thank god she explained that to you. it's good to have white people around to explain things
jesus.
modlgrl
11-02-2008, 02:42 PM
Puhleez! I can and will voice my opinion this is an online forum.
sexyjasmine
11-02-2008, 02:48 PM
I would not want to work at a club where I know I would not be making money.
So just because the manager or owner is not into a specific girl that means that girl wont make any money? that's bull...
You really are not making any sense. In the last couple of posts to be honest you sound like your racist but your just trying to be careful with your word play so that you don't come off as being one.
I have my x-ray vision glasses on 8) mama I see right through you. Its ok you haven't been a member for long feel free to create a new screen name and try again. lol
Otoki
11-04-2008, 01:00 AM
And once again we have girls saying we just need to forget about it and move on. STOP SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS!!!!!! Why the FUCK should we have just move along? That shit is wrong and racist and if we have to slink off to other clubs with our tails between our legs because we are black then that's BULLSHIT.
This shit is pissing me off. I see it every time black dancers start discussing racism in the industry and I'm sick of it. No amount of justification can make it OK and I wish people would stop marginalizing our fucking problems.
And then someone always chimes in with, "Well I'm brunette/flat chested/whatever and I think a manager didn't hire me because he wanted a blond/ big tits/etc. so I know what you guys are going through but I just moved on so you should too." SHUT THE FUCK UP! It's not the same fucking thing!
Fucking +1
The ethnic dancers thread got derailed when lefail kept talking about how we should just not let it bother us when we see racism towards ourselves or others. That is NOT a constructive attitude.
Otoki
11-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Puhleez! I can and will voice my opinion this is an online forum.
Perhaps you should consider the benefits of "tact" and "tone", and how they are effected by "word choice".
AngelEyezXYZ
11-04-2008, 08:43 PM
I tried to stay out of this thread because it's so charged, but I just had this very thing happen to me tonight. I'm pretty, I'm petite, my hair and nails are flawless, I'm articulate, etc... tired of working in black clubs, I've been trying to find another club to work at. In California where I'm originally from, I've never had a problem getting hired anywhere. But out here in Atlanta, these people have sticks up their asses and every non-black club I've gone to has blown me off. It seriously made me cry when I got back in the car after filling out an application and being told "someone will call you". I know better than that.
It is so frustrating to know that you have the experience and skills to succeed at any club, but you can't even get through the front door because of the color of your skin. People say Atlanta is all this and all that for black dancers, but I have found that if you are a black dancer who does not want to work in a black club, you have to be twice as attractive, friendly and talented as women of other ethnicities and you still may not ever get a chance to prove it. My feelings are so hurt. It's not fair. Or fun. At all.
Otoki
11-05-2008, 03:03 AM
I tried to stay out of this thread because it's so charged, but I just had this very thing happen to me tonight. I'm pretty, I'm petite, my hair and nails are flawless, I'm articulate, etc... tired of working in black clubs, I've been trying to find another club to work at. In California where I'm originally from, I've never had a problem getting hired anywhere. But out here in Atlanta, these people have sticks up their asses and every non-black club I've gone to has blown me off. It seriously made me cry when I got back in the car after filling out an application and being told "someone will call you". I know better than that.
It is so frustrating to know that you have the experience and skills to succeed at any club, but you can't even get through the front door because of the color of your skin. People say Atlanta is all this and all that for black dancers, but I have found that if you are a black dancer who does not want to work in a black club, you have to be twice as attractive, friendly and talented as women of other ethnicities and you still may not ever get a chance to prove it. My feelings are so hurt. It's not fair. Or fun. At all.
I'm very sorry you're going through this right now.
Are there any towns you can drive to where this isn't as big a problem? I know some girls do really well in "small town" dive SCs.
london
11-06-2008, 01:54 PM
Angeleyes,
I'm sorry to hear this as well! I'm a black dancer in California and even though, with few exceptions, I'm sure I could walk into most any club and be hired since I have a certain 'look', I still feel intimidated when it comes to trying out new places in LA alone. To read that you get the run around in another state, despite being 'able to pass as an exception' in CA...Well, it just seems to throw the whole thing backwards, doesn't it? Nevertheless....
I would encourage you to keep trying at both predominantly white and predominantly black clubs out there in Atlanta and come in looking extremely confident and with all your bases covered. I don't know if you are just visiting out there or if you have moved there but if you're just visiting, do not let that be known unless absolutely necessary. You're an experienced dancer who is new to the area and that's all they need to know.
******
The info below is my advice for dancers in general, but especially for ethnic dancers all over the US:
It is a given that 'we' have to jump through additional hoops. It can be soul-crushing. However, if you choose to continue in this business knowing these hard truths, once you get your foot in the door of where you want to be and show how valuable you are to a new club, you'll be paid back in dividends with future references for your next club/work trip.
The hardest part is getting in, but if you are facing opposition you must either kill them with kindness or go where you are welcomed with open arms. Some clubs with strict and/or prejudiced hiring practices are really THAT awesome once you're hired and worth striving for and some aren't.
Come in in full stage makeup. It may be a good idea to have a list of the clubs of where you've worked with the managers' names, especially the most recent. Have your previous manager call the new club or give him/her a head's up that they might get a call from you to reference your experience.
In brief, act like a feature and be your own agent/promoter and you will come to be treated like one. Go above and beyond just coming in like 'another black girl' or another ANY girl, for that matter. Always be professional and courteous but don't ever walk into a place with an attitude that asks 'if' but rather 'where do i sign'?
In the unfortunate event that you are turned down, never act angry, sad, or defeated. Smile and thank them for their time and make sure you note the name of THAT hiring manager. Leave open the possibility that they really WERE too full, couldn't hire you, but that you might have a chance later.
Immediately writing a manager or club off as racist will likely ensure that you NEVER work there in the near future, or that if you do,you already have enemies because they will feel your animosity. It simply doesn't bode well for future working conditions. Next, make sure that if you try again, to
a) come in a few weeks later either when they aren't managing
or
b) to ask specifically for THEM the next time if they give you the "we're too full" line. Acting a bit naive can work to your advantage if you can tell that they were feeling ambivalent in turning you away the first time.
There was a club in CA which had seemed so elusive to me for so long and I mustered up the courage to show up to audition. I had called beforehand but because I don't sound race-specific on the phone, the door guy almost didn't believe I was the one who had just called when my brown face appears at the entrance. But all I did was smile, push my shoulders back, ask for the manager by name and not do a lot of talking, just the safe fall-back 'stripper' persona of looking a little lost but very eager...
I've seen examples of women talking themselves OUT of a job, no matter how earnest their intentions, because they acted 'as if' they were going to be told no or they wanted to over-impress, so it's always best to just be prepared, smile, look as hot as possible, and do not show any form of 'I don't know if I belong here' in your eyes or voice.
All this being said, yes, of course there are clubs where you will deal with hard, fast racism from the moment you valet. There are clubs where there is no reason to 'turn the other cheek' and play dead or naive. I am sure most will be able to sense this instantly and you have every reason to simply ask a few bs questions at the door and walk right the f*** out or after entering the floor, or after doing your audition, etc. When you realize you have walked into hell, toss off your heels and RUN! Love ya, ladies! Good luck!
London
jung cheng
11-09-2008, 07:07 PM
You have to train girls in proper etiquette and dressing. Some black and hispanic dancers are a little rough around the edges but training will fix that as long as they are basically attractive.
le me jus say i worked in some clubs in leeds england and i had a hierachy if you were a good dancer/earner then you could work in all he clubs they owned there, beginers and no so good earners were only aloud in the quietest club and some of the girls were a mess and it just shows a lack of effort on the dancers part i dont think its the managers responsibility to tell them to put on make up, buy clothes get their hair/nails/spray tans done its not their job to spoonfeed lazy girls.
If a club trains it's dancers and promotes all the dancers to the customers, the customers will be trained to buy from everyone.
and you cant train customes to buy dances, their not dogs, you cant shout a one word command and they pull out £20 notes and them to each and every ethnic minority, you can encorage hem but its down to their personal preferance x
Ms. Mia Roberts
11-09-2008, 08:10 PM
You have to train girls in proper etiquette and dressing. Some black and hispanic dancers are a little rough around the edges but training will fix that as long as they are basically attractive.
le me jus say i worked in some clubs in leeds england and i had a hierachy if you were a good dancer/earner then you could work in all he clubs they owned there, beginers and no so good earners were only aloud in the quietest club and some of the girls were a mess and it just shows a lack of effort on the dancers part i dont think its the managers responsibility to tell them to put on make up, buy clothes get their hair/nails/spray tans done its not their job to spoonfeed lazy girls.
If a club trains it's dancers and promotes all the dancers to the customers, the customers will be trained to buy from everyone.
and you cant train customes to buy dances, their not dogs, you cant shout a one word command and they pull out £20 notes and them to each and every ethnic minority, you can encorage hem but its down to their personal preferance x
wow...you make strippers sound like dogs...and black and hispanic strippers sound like the mutt of the litter....
sexyjasmine
11-09-2008, 08:11 PM
Its very amusing to me how everyone one is offering their expertise on how to be black and get hired in any strip club! wow...the information you are giving out is so deep and informative! Ok now back to reality!
Tell me how I should handle this experts... I went in to audition at this club a couple days ago. I went in looking great smelling wonderful and just well...lets just say I came prepared! The manager had me audition so I got dressed and headed to the stage. At that point customers left the girls they were sitting with came up and tipped me then sat back in their seats with their jaws dropped! Girls approached me while I was in the dressing room complimenting me on everything from the way I was dressed to the way I danced to my PERFECT (not my words their words) body.
Here comes the problem...so the managers messenger comes to me and tells me "I'm sorry your not what were looking for at the moment". So at this point I had to ask "what is it that your looking for?". I was then told "We are trying to get rid of the black girls we have not hire new ones!".
So here are some questions I have for the experts:
1. How should I have handled this?
2. Why would a place even audition me if they knew from the start that I wasn't what they wanted?
3. How do I prevent this from happening next time?
Thanks in advance;)
jung cheng
11-09-2008, 11:12 PM
wow...you make strippers sound like dogs...and black and hispanic strippers sound like the mutt of the litter....
the fisrt and third paragraphs were quotes out of a much bigger text, i myself have not mentioned black or hispanic dancers, i just think its not the job of he management of a club to tell dancers to pull themselves together they are self employed and should come in looking the part x
Otoki
11-10-2008, 12:49 AM
You have to train girls in proper etiquette and dressing. Some black and hispanic dancers are a little rough around the edges but training will fix that as long as they are basically attractive.
le me jus say i worked in some clubs in leeds england and i had a hierachy if you were a good dancer/earner then you could work in all he clubs they owned there, beginers and no so good earners were only aloud in the quietest club and some of the girls were a mess and it just shows a lack of effort on the dancers part i dont think its the managers responsibility to tell them to put on make up, buy clothes get their hair/nails/spray tans done its not their job to spoonfeed lazy girls.
If a club trains it's dancers and promotes all the dancers to the customers, the customers will be trained to buy from everyone.
and you cant train customes to buy dances, their not dogs, you cant shout a one word command and they pull out £20 notes and them to each and every ethnic minority, you can encorage hem but its down to their personal preferance x
Oh god why. It's like ledumbe all over again.
xsomnambulist
11-10-2008, 01:07 AM
Oh god why. It's like ledumbe all over again.
lol...
Miss_Luscious
11-10-2008, 06:35 AM
You guys! All we needed was proper TRAINING! Duh! That'll solve the racism in clubs. We'll just show up to auditions with our Certificate of Stripper Training and we're in there like swim wear.
jung cheng
11-10-2008, 10:40 AM
I really disagree about corporate club owners doing research when it comes to hiring women of color.
Corporate clubs don't operate like major department store chains who look at demographics when deciding which store should carry MAC or ethnic brands or high end designers.
I worked for several of these so called chains in the past and for example the owner of the Christie's chain, Steve Cooper is a bigot from Memphis. He would tell white dancers they were cheapening themselves by dancing for blacks.
Another club owner would charge the black dancers at his club higher tip outs.
And another would not allow a white dancer to approach black men.
Another wanted 3 ids from black men at the door.
And Lilac, Ricks has always been a whites only type of club. They hardly allowed black music to be played. Their Galleria club in Houston is doing so badly that the word on the street is that it will change names and become a "upscale black club". That alone tells you the Ricks people see blacks differently than whites.
When middle aged white men own businesses many are plain bigots. Black men historically have been a threat to white men in power. Blacks have a different style than whites and many white men in power are uncomfortable with it.
Most dancers as a whole don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to dealing with customers and club owners don't run their businesses anything like other businesses operate when it comes to customer service and employee training.
These black and white girls need to be taught how to dress and communicate with customers.
Very few customers nowadays wait in line for dances. They have to be persuaded to buy. And many big club owners are such dip shits they think that guys want all college aged white dancers.
I ABSOLUTELY refuse to believe that business analysis and surveys are used in strip club hiring. I don't care if we are talking about Christies, Ricks, Scores, Deja Vu or other chains.
There are redneck and prejudiced customers and I have had my share of them, but many club patrons like what they don't have and interracial relationships are more and more common now.
If the damned club owners would get their heads out of their asses and have classes like Dancer Wealths required for every dancer, then girls of all races would sell fairly evenly and less problems would happen in the clubs.
You have to train girls in proper etiquette and dressing. Some black and hispanic dancers are a little rough around the edges but training will fix that as long as they are basically attractive.
And owners need to market their clubs across the color lines. Money has no color and people of all races like high end products.
And in many cities the clubs with a variety of dancers have just as good a clientele and money making potential as the stuffy club with a "whites only" attitude. The stuffy clubs that only play white music, who make the token black dancer play white music are a turn off to decent white men and ethnic ones too. NO ONE will tell me this is not true.
And if club owners are so fucking smart, as they see more and more young guys and girls are coming in the clubs and less older guys, why do they continue to operate a Neiman Marcus format with Kohl's and Penneys customers? Club owners have shit for brains for the most part and could care less about the customers or the dancers.
Any fool would know that pushing the tip rail and $1 dances would work better with the young crowd. That is one reason I make more money in the small booking clubs. The stage is the draw and almost all the young guys will tip on stage whereas in the big clubs where the stage is not pushed since they are not into spending $100+ on dances we make no money at all.
If a club trains it's dancers and promotes all the dancers to the customers, the customers will be trained to buy from everyone.
That is one reason why this business is sucking so badly now. Guys like variety. If they didn't they wouldn't go to clubs seeking companionship and dances,and paronize massage parlors, escorts and studios, paying for sex with women other than their wives.
If variety is marketed properly,this business wouldn't be declining as badly as it is. ???
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Miss_Luscious
11-10-2008, 10:54 AM
What Tina said was true. There are some dancers who need better "training" for lack of a better word. But she was talking about being trained as better hustlers and money makers. Most of us on here make good money, we're just tired of all the racist bullshit that comes along with it and makes our jobs much harder.
I took offense to your post because you took one sentence out of context and applied it to the whole situation by insinuating that if only we had better training we could have no problems.
jung cheng
11-10-2008, 03:15 PM
oh right well if is tina saying it its right we can train men to buy dances!
i never mentioned race anyway.
its alwys a dancers responsibiliy o look after her appearance no the maagment, these girls are self employed anyway privte contactors
jung cheng
11-10-2008, 03:18 PM
in my messsage i didn say its anything to do with better training anyway i dont know what your talking about your trying to say ive said things i havent!
if anything tina said it was to do with better training, i said that was wrong!
Otoki
11-11-2008, 12:18 AM
What Tina said was true. There are some dancers who need better "training" for lack of a better word. But she was talking about being trained as better hustlers and money makers. Most of us on here make good money, we're just tired of all the racist bullshit that comes along with it and makes our jobs much harder.
I took offense to your post because you took one sentence out of context and applied it to the whole situation by insinuating that if only we had better training we could have no problems.
Agreed.
oh right well if is tina saying it its right we can train men to buy dances!
i never mentioned race anyway.
its alwys a dancers responsibiliy o look after her appearance no the maagment, these girls are self employed anyway privte contactors
I still take issue with the "black and hispanic girls are rough around the edges" part of her quote. I wish she could be a fly on the wall at Silk, WI's dressing room. You want rough around the edges? Watch the white girls. Most of the classy, well-spoken, and hot girls were women of color.
Because of your lack of quotes, NONE of us could deduce that said quotes were not your words. Use the quote function in your posts and you will avoid these problems.
in my messsage i didn say its anything to do with better training anyway i dont know what your talking about your trying to say ive said things i havent!
if anything tina said it was to do with better training, i said that was wrong!
See above.
jung cheng
11-11-2008, 11:51 AM
i did put quotation marks but they didnt come out, i still cant ever see how you can train men to buy dances.
is there some sort of procedure they need to know? or is it like dog training where you say a command and they do what you say?
im sure there are all kinds of girls tha are rough around the edges, but is not the managers or owners job to 'train' them they shouldnt be employed or fired for not making an effort.