View Full Version : Black dancers in Upscale gentlemen's clubs
MoetATL07
11-11-2008, 02:04 PM
You guys! All we needed was proper TRAINING! Duh! That'll solve the racism in clubs. We'll just show up to auditions with our Certificate of Stripper Training and we're in there like swim wear.
Okay I have found the certificate of stripper training now lets start printing this bitches off and lamnating these damn thangs and go get some jobs since we all been trained now.LOL;D
MoetATL07
11-11-2008, 02:13 PM
Please no one get offended by my post Im just feeling really silly today.
Miss_Luscious
11-11-2008, 04:04 PM
LOL! You're funny. We need to mass produce these and start handing them out.
Tinkle
11-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Ok, as a woman of "not- so-much" color, I just dont get it. Most of the girls that are darker, including Dominincan-Brazilian-African etc., They make JUST as much money as their lighter counterparts. We just never ever even discuss this where we work. Some guys like Black girls some like Blondes, yada yada. I dont think its racism, I just think its preference. But I am also coming from a NYC perspective and we are very open with race here. My bff is a dark Jamaican and she banks. But she is HOT and HOT girls always make money. So maybe relocation is necessary for some of you ladies. Just my 2 cents since there are a MILLION threads on being a black stripper.
PleasureVictim
11-18-2008, 06:51 AM
I don't think there are a MILLION threads- there are a few compared to other topics that are started everyday, every week on this BB. For some reason the race threads get singled out. This isn't something I have to deal with at my club, but I respect the fact that other dancers can vent about it and find support.
Some people have this 'shut up and take it' or 'well, there must be something wrong with YOU because the girl I know makes money'. That's fine, but don't try to trivialize another dancer's experiences because it isn't what you see. This is a HUGE country that differs from state to state, city to city.
miabella
11-18-2008, 11:58 AM
plus, tinkle probably doesn't know how much harder her friend has to hustle to BANK. black dancers are way less likely to just get handed money, or have guys ask them for dances, or get tipped huge on stage (in mixed clubs-- all three can and do happen in black clubs). black dancers have to work harder and have far less leeway, just to be able to have access to the earnings potential in 'upscale' clubs.
and again, worth noting that black dancers were generally completely cut off from access to the insane earnings potential of the early 90s and dotcom boom periods.
PleasureVictim
11-18-2008, 12:47 PM
Exactly. You brought up another point Miabella. At the first white club I worked at I made money, I just didn't like the politics that came along with it. When I was there hustling the custy's no one knew the BS I got told or what I was asked to do. To everyone else, I was sitting and smiling and getting dances. Like everyone else I had white & black guys coming in just to see me. On the busy nights during one set some guys would get up when they saw I was coming on stage then another set I didn't have enough time to get to every guy waiting for me.
The point is, it may LOOK like they have no problem- that doesn't mean it is all peaches and cream. I only confided in 2 dancers (one black, one white) about how tough it was to make good money. That was only because I was comfortable with them and we all had our own differences/difficulties that the blondes didn't (we even joked that the 3 of us were the misfits). The white dancer had a cropped haircut, the other had dreads. No one else knew anything, maybe your fellow coworkers don't want to sit and complain to anyone, they just get to work. Perhaps they complain afterwards or just suck it up.
Your club may be that special utopia where race doesn't matter and everyone loves every color and embraces diversity. That's wonderful for those dancers who work there. Everyone else experiences something quite a bit different.
davka
11-18-2008, 10:25 PM
seriously.
Ms. Mia Roberts
11-18-2008, 10:29 PM
Exactly. You brought up another point Miabella. At the first white club I worked at I made money, I just didn't like the politics that came along with it. When I was there hustling the custy's no one knew the BS I got told or what I was asked to do. To everyone else, I was sitting and smiling and getting dances. Like everyone else I had white & black guys coming in just to see me. On the busy nights during one set some guys would get up when they saw I was coming on stage then another set I didn't have enough time to get to every guy waiting for me.
The point is, it may LOOK like they have no problem- that doesn't mean it is all peaches and cream. I only confided in 2 dancers (one black, one white) about how tough it was to make good money. That was only because I was comfortable with them and we all had our own differences/difficulties that the blondes didn't (we even joked that the 3 of us were the misfits). The white dancer had a cropped haircut, the other had dreads. No one else knew anything, maybe your fellow coworkers don't want to sit and complain to anyone, they just get to work. Perhaps they complain afterwards or just suck it up.
Your club may be that special utopia where race doesn't matter and everyone loves every color and embraces diversity. That's wonderful for those dancers who work there. Everyone else experiences something quite a bit different.
omg. men did that to me too when i got on stage...
they all left... and i was just starting out dancing...
but i didn't let that hurt my pride, or encourage me to quit
i worked extra hard hustling...and hit most of those men that left the stage up for lap dances....
when i want to....i have ALOT of drive and determination :)
Ruby Ruckus
11-18-2008, 10:31 PM
the most important thing to keep in mind as to who makes money in what clubs is, who is my clientele? who is my audience?
if you work at a very upscale club frequented mostly by older, white businessmen, you have to realize that their age and race do affect the women that they generally choose to spend money on. some of them are gonna love black women, some of them won't have racial preferences, but many of them may have older, outdated opinions or preferences based on how they were raised, when things were a lot different. this is oftentimes bad news for non white dancers.
davka
11-18-2008, 10:50 PM
thanks captain obvious. nobody else thought of that. ;)
Ruby Ruckus
11-18-2008, 10:55 PM
i only read the first and last pages of the thread. it was long. apologies!
davka
11-18-2008, 10:59 PM
i really like your signature. i love against me!
Ruby Ruckus
11-18-2008, 11:01 PM
one of the dj's at my club is a huge against me! fan, and plays a lot of it for me. it sorta makes the customers go WTF which affects my money negatively, but on a slow night when there's nobody around and i have to go up anyway, it's a blessing.
Otoki
11-19-2008, 12:51 AM
I don't think there are a MILLION threads- there are a few compared to other topics that are started everyday, every week on this BB. For some reason the race threads get singled out. This isn't something I have to deal with at my club, but I respect the fact that other dancers can vent about it and find support.
Some people have this 'shut up and take it' or 'well, there must be something wrong with YOU because the girl I know makes money'. That's fine, but don't try to trivialize another dancer's experiences because it isn't what you see. This is a HUGE country that differs from state to state, city to city.
Thank you. I've heard plenty of girls complaining about shit customers say to them. One girl was really offended because someone said "I don't get dances with BLACK girls" in the most disgusted tone possible. I consoled her, and told her to get all her pissed off energy out and go back on the floor, because she's gorgeous and should know it, and fuck what some asshole says. I also told her to point him out to management, because they do NOT like that shit in their club. I am glad that my club provides the sort of atmosphere where dancers can talk to each other, vent, and console one another when something shitty happens. It really makes you aware of just how many lowlifes come in some days, and what each girl is dealing with in a given shift. It's definitely hard to maintain a "Utopian" view on bigoted attitudes when you have to console someone who's really hurt or angry about it.
plus, tinkle probably doesn't know how much harder her friend has to hustle to BANK. black dancers are way less likely to just get handed money, or have guys ask them for dances, or get tipped huge on stage (in mixed clubs-- all three can and do happen in black clubs). black dancers have to work harder and have far less leeway, just to be able to have access to the earnings potential in 'upscale' clubs.
and again, worth noting that black dancers were generally completely cut off from access to the insane earnings potential of the early 90s and dotcom boom periods.
Thank you for mentioning this! The fact that black dancers have trouble even getting HIRED in some clubs means their money is already being affected! This seems to get overlooked a LOT.
Your club may be that special utopia where race doesn't matter and everyone loves every color and embraces diversity. That's wonderful for those dancers who work there. Everyone else experiences something quite a bit different.
Exactly. When it comes to dealing with bigots "It's never happened where I can see it, so I doubt it's as big a deal as you claim *shrug*" is not a productive attitude, and it really infuriates me. I'm not referring to Tinkle, but more towards girls like ledumbe who think giving pep-talks and "ignore it/forget it!" advice is the most helpful way of handling these issues.
MinahSky
12-23-2008, 04:34 AM
I am not trivializing anyone's experience, but back when I used to dance I was always one of the top 3 dancers in the club and I danced at all white clubs with the exception of one. You can't walk into any club thinking that you are anything but the fabulous woman you are.
Don't take other people's issues to heart. Racists are ignorant, sad, lonely and very angry people. Any club that allows some idiot who only hires his type of dancer or can't see that a variety of girls will bring in ore clientele deserves to do without the money you would make them. It's not personal, it's ignorance. The only color on this planet that matters is green. If they don't get it, make sure you do.
As far as custies getting up, don't let the first thought be that it's your color. Guys would hardly ever get up when I got on stage and half of them came back because I most often had a full tip rail. They knew they were missing something! I used to wave "Goodbye!" to the ones who left with a big smile as I greeted those who were there and stayed. It may have nothing to do with color. You may be taller, thinner, thicker or shorter than what they like. Some guys like a very specific type. Some don't like who reminds them of someone. Their wife, their girlfriend, the b*tch at work. I had one guy tell me I looked just like his first love. He wanted to stare at me all night, but not get a dance. :P
I remember these black girls I danced with at this "black" club. They bragged about how they were going to this very well known "white" club that coming weekend. They came back and gave this big old story about how the guys all loved them but they didn't get hired because they took tips during their audition when they were told not to. Moral of the story? I think you know...I went there and was hired with no problems and got huge $$$$$ clients from my first day.
If you want to work there, play their game. To get (and stay) in the door, you need to do what the other girls do. The hair must be long and straight but leave the obvious wigs and weaves elsewhere. Your body MUST be tight and if you have any stretch marks or tats, make Dermablend your friend. Do NOT audition with anyone else. Before you go in to audition, check the club out as a customer to see what the girls wear. Leave the BS and the boyfriend at the door. Arrive at the club in FULL hair and makeup and nice clothes. Keep your hands and feet done at all times and don't do "the claw" nails. Some jerks will look for a reason to not hire or to fire you. Don't give them one. I never got bothered because I wasn't there to make them money, I was there for my $$$$$ and I never left without it. Make sure you get to work on time and don't ask to leave early. Pick a regular sounding stage name and leave the Champagne, Porsche, Lexxus (xx done on purpose), Chocolate Drop crap alone. Let the other girls be ghetto. Speak properly and in a confident tone. Do not drink alcohol at work (arrange with the bartender on duty to make all your drinks virgins when you order and let them keep the difference as a tip or split it with you)or even think about being high on the job or having drugs on you. Keep all your interaction with the customers above board. Make sure you tip well. Keep what you make to yourself. You're not paying anyone else's bills, they don't need to know what you made.
My rep at all the clubs to this day is pristine. I could light the place on fire in front a 100 people and they still wouldn't believe I did it. Anyone who messed with me got torn a new one by management. I stayed out of drama and never created any. I simply made money.
Most importantly, remember that the mother of the whole human race was African. All of humanity traces back to her. If those fools who think they are so high and mighty don't know that they themselves are black, they are just that, fools. Remembering that should do one of 2 things: make you work harder to get your money and laugh every time you look at one of those self-hating boneheads.
Valena_Exoticbarbie
01-04-2013, 10:47 AM
Arguably the best goddamn post I've seen on this site. Took the words straight out of my heart. I feel like the elephant in the room finally got called out.
I really disagree about corporate club owners doing research when it comes to hiring women of color.
Corporate clubs don't operate like major department store chains who look at demographics when deciding which store should carry MAC or ethnic brands or high end designers.
I worked for several of these so called chains in the past and for example the owner of the Christie's chain, Steve Cooper is a bigot from Memphis. He would tell white dancers they were cheapening themselves by dancing for blacks.
Another club owner would charge the black dancers at his club higher tip outs.
And another would not allow a white dancer to approach black men.
Another wanted 3 ids from black men at the door.
And Lilac, Ricks has always been a whites only type of club. They hardly allowed black music to be played. Their Galleria club in Houston is doing so badly that the word on the street is that it will change names and become a "upscale black club". That alone tells you the Ricks people see blacks differently than whites.
When middle aged white men own businesses many are plain bigots. Black men historically have been a threat to white men in power. Blacks have a different style than whites and many white men in power are uncomfortable with it.
Most dancers as a whole don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to dealing with customers and club owners don't run their businesses anything like other businesses operate when it comes to customer service and employee training.
These black and white girls need to be taught how to dress and communicate with customers.
Very few customers nowadays wait in line for dances. They have to be persuaded to buy. And many big club owners are such dip shits they think that guys want all college aged white dancers.
I ABSOLUTELY refuse to believe that business analysis and surveys are used in strip club hiring. I don't care if we are talking about Christies, Ricks, Scores, Deja Vu or other chains.
There are redneck and prejudiced customers and I have had my share of them, but many club patrons like what they don't have and interracial relationships are more and more common now.
If the damned club owners would get their heads out of their asses and have classes like Dancer Wealths required for every dancer, then girls of all races would sell fairly evenly and less problems would happen in the clubs.
You have to train girls in proper etiquette and dressing. Some black and hispanic dancers are a little rough around the edges but training will fix that as long as they are basically attractive.
And owners need to market their clubs across the color lines. Money has no color and people of all races like high end products.
And in many cities the clubs with a variety of dancers have just as good a clientele and money making potential as the stuffy club with a "whites only" attitude. The stuffy clubs that only play white music, who make the token black dancer play white music are a turn off to decent white men and ethnic ones too. NO ONE will tell me this is not true.
And if club owners are so fucking smart, as they see more and more young guys and girls are coming in the clubs and less older guys, why do they continue to operate a Neiman Marcus format with Kohl's and Penneys customers? Club owners have shit for brains for the most part and could care less about the customers or the dancers.
Any fool would know that pushing the tip rail and $1 dances would work better with the young crowd. That is one reason I make more money in the small booking clubs. The stage is the draw and almost all the young guys will tip on stage whereas in the big clubs where the stage is not pushed since they are not into spending $100+ on dances we make no money at all.
If a club trains it's dancers and promotes all the dancers to the customers, the customers will be trained to buy from everyone.
That is one reason why this business is sucking so badly now. Guys like variety. If they didn't they wouldn't go to clubs seeking companionship and dances,and paronize massage parlors, escorts and studios, paying for sex with women other than their wives.
If variety is marketed properly,this business wouldn't be declining as badly as it is. ???
Nina_
01-10-2013, 11:42 AM
I dance in Detroit and there is currently a surplus of black dancers who want to dance at the white clubs - there is just not enough demand for them so the club doesn't hire very many. The club I work at now stopped hiring black girls a few months ago, but as of late they've ended that and hired a couple black girls.
The black girls that have the highest chance at getting hired at "white" clubs would have to be very pretty and also slender. They can't have the stereotypical black girl's ass, they typically would have to have more of a "white girl's body." That's just what I've observed about.
As for earning potential, if the black girl is slender and beautiful as well as a good converstionalist, she should be able to make money. If she's one of the only black girls in the club, she should also be able to make decent money because she would be able to make money off any guy there who has a black-girl fantasy. The problem is when there's too many black girls at a white club, then it can be very very hard for them to make money. There are white clubs in Detroit and there are black clubs in Detroit. I don't understand why some of the thicker black girls choose to work at the white clubs where they don't make any money. They'd make a lot more at black clubs.
At the other club I currently work at, I tried to get my friend hired (which usually works because management loves me) but he turned her away and told her the reason was because he had too many black girls. He said after he got rid of some of the other black girls he'd hire her. He finally let her work there several months later, but then they fired her for no reason at all. It's extremely hard for her to get hired at the types of clubs I work at. But she's not the cream of the crop in terms of black girls who have the look for a white club.
Fortunately, my race has never been a problem at any club I've worked at. I'm about 3/8 black, but I look very racially ambiguous. Almost every night I have at least one customer ask my ethnicity and I tell them to guess. The most popular guesses are things I am not (Indian (the country, not Native American) is a popular guess and so is Italian and Middle Eastern. Weird). Regardless of my race, I've gotten hired at every club I've auditioned at and I'm usually one of the top earners. I've only had one incident where my race was directly addressed in a negative way: I sat with a customer and he told me I'm not his type because I'm not white. Asshole. I'm actually more white than I am black. Haha.
If anyone was offended by this in away I apologize. This is just my objective viewpoint of clubs I have experience with.
chanzep
01-10-2013, 03:45 PM
Most clubs in the UK are fine with Black girls, Ive only heard of 1 or 2 times when they were not, Im mixed, black,white, cuban but I am very light and nobody nos where im from most think Brazil!,my hair is also very blonde now and some drunk customers think im white, I had a manager at a new club once ask me if I was mixed? and when I told him yes he said I should tone down my look because he had enough black girls wtf!, also a place I now work wont hire black girls but will hired mixed or south american. But its in a really small town, most places in London are fine.
Carribeanshocker
01-14-2013, 05:59 PM
I guess I can agree. I'm West Indian and alot of people think I'm African American and I usually get "we're not hiring" its like damn give me a chance!
Maniagal
10-24-2013, 10:06 PM
Lol perhaps we should spam upscale
Gentleman clubs around the u.s with this
Thread .
tempest666
10-26-2013, 04:52 PM
My main club isn't upscale by any means but we had these black girls that came in that should be an example of what NOT to do. They came in wearing church shoes from Payless, raggedy granny panties, and when their wigs didn't look like a damn bird's nest they were falling off to one side of their head!!! The stage names weren't terrible (Alicia and Genesis) but everything else was. They lasted maybe 2 weeks.
Nickirose20
12-02-2013, 01:46 AM
I dance in Detroit and there is currently a surplus of black dancers who want to dance at the white clubs - there is just not enough demand for them so the club doesn't hire very many. The club I work at now stopped hiring black girls a few months ago, but as of late they've ended that and hired a couple black girls.
The black girls that have the highest chance at getting hired at "white" clubs would have to be very pretty and also slender. They can't have the stereotypical black girl's ass, they typically would have to have more of a "white girl's body." That's just what I've observed about.
As for earning potential, if the black girl is slender and beautiful as well as a good converstionalist, she should be able to make money. If she's one of the only black girls in the club, she should also be able to make decent money because she would be able to make money off any guy there who has a black-girl fantasy. The problem is when there's too many black girls at a white club, then it can be very very hard for them to make money. There are white clubs in Detroit and there are black clubs in Detroit. I don't understand why some of the thicker black girls choose to work at the white clubs where they don't make any money. They'd make a lot more at black clubs.
At the other club I currently work at, I tried to get my friend hired (which usually works because management loves me) but he turned her away and told her the reason was because he had too many black girls. He said after he got rid of some of the other black girls he'd hire her. He finally let her work there several months later, but then they fired her for no reason at all. It's extremely hard for her to get hired at the types of clubs I work at. But she's not the cream of the crop in terms of black girls who have the look for a white club.
Fortunately, my race has never been a problem at any club I've worked at. I'm about 3/8 black, but I look very racially ambiguous. Almost every night I have at least one customer ask my ethnicity and I tell them to guess. The most popular guesses are things I am not (Indian (the country, not Native American) is a popular guess and so is Italian and Middle Eastern. Weird). Regardless of my race, I've gotten hired at every club I've auditioned at and I'm usually one of the top earners. I've only had one incident where my race was directly addressed in a negative way: I sat with a customer and he told me I'm not his type because I'm not white. Asshole. I'm actually more white than I am black. Haha.
If anyone was offended by this in away I apologize. This is just my objective viewpoint of clubs I have experience with.
Umm there is no such thing as a black woman's body type. They vary like anyone else. But I'm sensing something out of your post. So I'd rather just point that out and leave it at that.
Starling
12-02-2013, 02:15 AM
Umm there is no such thing as a black woman's body type. They vary like anyone else. But I'm sensing something out of your post. So I'd rather just point that out and leave it at that.
No. You're personalizing her post too much. Sure their body types vary, but I've worked in both black and white clubs and she is talking about how girls in black clubs are typically thicker with a booty and that is the norm in those clubs.
If I was thicker and had a bigger butt I would definitely work more often in black clubs. But I am too skinny so I stick with white clubs.
Nickirose20
12-02-2013, 02:34 AM
She said girls with a white girl's body have the best chance of making in white clubs. I just don't like that type of labelling and claiming white girls are skinny and black women are thicker is just incorrect IMO. It's not a good idea to feed into the stereotype IMO.
I don't have a white girl's body I have a fit toned petit body. Race to me shouldn't have to do with so many things people associate it with honestly.
Starling
12-02-2013, 02:48 AM
She said girls with a white girl's body have the best chance of making in white clubs. I just don't like that type of labelling and claiming white girls are skinny and black women are thicker is just incorrect IMO.
That's why she put "white girl body" in quotation marks. It's not the best wording, but thin girls are what's commonly found in those clubs. She's just trying to say that black girls that are thin, don't have a really big butt or boobs are more likely to get hired. She's not saying that black women in general are bigger than white women, and it's true that those customers usually like skinnier girls.
Nickirose20
12-02-2013, 03:02 AM
Maybe you're right. No one actually knows her real intent besides herself.
I actually thought both type clubs appreciate bigger boobs... My roommate was a stripper at a white club and she had DD and got a lot of money out of it.
Yeah I know that may be certain people's preferences with customers of one cultural background or another. That wasn't even my point.
tempest666
12-02-2013, 05:40 AM
Let's just leave it as slender and fit people of any color are likely to get hired at an upscale joint. If a grey alien put on a wig and stilettos I'm sure they'd get hired. I don't work at black clubs because a lot of them require awesome stage shows and I'm too fucking lazy.
nayamarie74
12-05-2013, 02:51 PM
I am one of the black women that get turned down but its just ignorant club workers that higher based on what they like and not thinking of the customer
Starling
12-05-2013, 03:52 PM
I am one of the black women that get turned down but its just ignorant club workers that higher based on what they like and not thinking of the customer
Yeah it sucks. I've seen qualified girls who could work get turned down because of their skin.
lilmisshustler
01-08-2014, 10:54 PM
I got turned down in New Orleans because he had enough 'dark skin girls' o__O
BrittanyDC
02-21-2014, 09:58 AM
I'm Black at an Upscale club always been. I've noticed that guys are a little more apprehensive to talk to me or find me attractive especially around the other Caucasian customers. I try to approach them as if I see no color. I try to remember that guys have their preferences but I can't help but believe I am making less money there because I'm Black. My body looks better, my pole dances and tricks are better than some of the other girls that are of other races but still they'd choose them even if they look cheap looking over me. I guess it's whatever makes them feel comfortable I imagine. Def have a hard time finding the big ballers.
BrittanyDC
02-21-2014, 10:00 AM
I got turned down in New Orleans because he had enough 'dark skin girls' o__O
Lol I've heard this one before my friend is dark skinned and I tried getting her a job at my club and I sent the picture and he said they had enough dark girls. I came in that day and there was only one other dark skinned girl and three black girls total out of 27. Not sure if he meant enough dark(black) or enough dark(dark skinned).
BrittanyDC
02-21-2014, 10:05 AM
I got turned down in New Orleans because he had enough 'dark skin girls' o__O
Lol I've heard this one before my friend is dark skinned and I tried getting her a job at my club and I sent the picture and he said they had enough dark girls. I came in that day and there was only one other dark skinned girl and three black girls total out of 27. Not sure if he meant enough dark(black) or enough dark(dark skinned).
Aniela
02-21-2014, 10:59 PM
Let's just leave it as slender and fit people of any color are likely to get hired at an upscale joint. If a grey alien put on a wig and stilettos I'm sure they'd get hired.
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Pole Fitness Chick
10-31-2017, 01:41 PM
No comparison? I am a decendant of an Irish slave....and I am a red- haired Irishman, know what that makes me to my own people? Black Irish, that's what.In todays terms that would make me an irish (insert racial slur here) to be blunt.
I'm not trying to cause waves... just thought that I would point out that Irishmen were once slaves also.
Yes indeed they were.
Indentured servants was the terminology.
Irish slaves and Black slaves were often pitted against each other despite them generally getting on quite well.
I think the op who commented her surprise was stating,that when you are defined as Black, a set of harsh stereotypes/schematic processing, is already in play.
ElleMae
11-01-2017, 01:58 AM
I'm black at an upscale club which on some nights has pretty even amounts of black and white dancers. But even so, black girls have to work twice as hard to make money that an average white dancer could probably make in her sleep. There are beautiful black dancers who are intelligent, stylish, have great stage shows and are personable who have to bust their asses to make money while a new white girl who is in her first ever week of dancing with an ok body and face and no entertaining skills gets approached for VIP room after room. I don't say this as with an air of bitterness either, I accept it as a reality of the industry. I'm not mad at those girls. I was a black woman before I started dancing, so I know how it is. On the flip side, my club has quite a few customers who ONLY like WOC so that's good for us, but they are the minority.
Something else that has been on my mind as of late is that many customers don't value black dancers in my club. Often I will have a customer approach me or take me aside to express their interest and talk all sorts of BS (I call it that because it ends up being a waste of my time) about how gorgeous I am, I'm their dream girl, I looked amazing on stage, blah blah blah, then when I bring up dances the temperature drops 20 degrees and they refuse. Either they "don't do dances" or a private dance is too expensive.
Cut to an hour or so later, and that same customer is going for a private dance with a Caucasian dancer. And it's not even white guys who do this either, often it's black customers who refuse to value black dancers. It's as if they expect black girls to be cheaper or free, while white or asian dancers are seen as a "luxury" to them so they're willing to pay the price for their time. There is one such regular customer in my club who does this to me every time he comes in - makes a big deal of pulling me aside and telling me how great I am, turns me down for a dance saying "maybe someday, that's too expensive", then gets in a room with the first non black girl to walk by. Meh. It's not the fact that customers have a preference that offends me, if a customer likes another girl or type of girl over me, so be it. It's that a private dance with me is "too expensive", but the same price for any girl with a lighter complexion is acceptable means they value that girl's time and not mine. It's the fact that they attempt to monopolize my time by buying drinks and insisting I sit and chat with them but shooting me down when it comes to actually paying for my services. If you're not interested, fine. But don't waste my damn time.
ElleMae
11-01-2017, 02:04 AM
I'm Black at an Upscale club always been. I've noticed that guys are a little more apprehensive to talk to me or find me attractive especially around the other Caucasian customers. I try to approach them as if I see no color. I try to remember that guys have their preferences but I can't help but believe I am making less money there because I'm Black. My body looks better, my pole dances and tricks are better than some of the other girls that are of other races but still they'd choose them even if they look cheap looking over me. I guess it's whatever makes them feel comfortable I imagine. Def have a hard time finding the big ballers.
I am in the same boat except I'm not impressive on the pole lol. I've been dancing about 4 months and I have yet to attract any real repeat customers or whales. Not to toot my own horn too loudly here, but I'm often told I am pretty and have a nice body. I know for a fact that I am a great conversationalist and I can talk about a pretty wide variety of interesting subjects, maybe more so than most of the other dancers in my club. But the whales just tend to go for the white girls. I find that some upscale customers love WOC because it's unfamiliar - they've dated, married, and have been looking at white women all their lives, so when they come into the club they want something different, something that was "off limits" to them in their youth if they are older. Other upscale customers, who seem to be the whales are like you said: they want what's familiar and makes them feel comfortable. It has never occurred to them that black women can be attractive or entertaining, so they don't even look. Sigh.
raakashock
11-01-2017, 01:58 PM
@ElleMae You explained this perfectly. I get it all the time ...a customer very interested in me until I tell him the price of a private dance. He says its way too expensive but then will go with a white girl. I understand that guys will say things just so they don't have to say no, and then wait for the girl they want, but in a lot of cases the guy really really wants a private dance from me. I agree that a lot of customers expect us black girls to be cheaper. (and like you, I accept this as a black girl working as a stripper) I have to remind myself to be a harder hustler and to keep asking for more drinks & dances just in case they are purposely trying to low ball me. I really enjoyed reading what you wrote cuz I'm like DUDE IM NOT CRAZY. its super important to talk with other black dancers and have your experiences validated. Thank you <3
MsYoohoo
11-09-2017, 07:58 AM
I love how all of us black dancers are from different walks of life,but the conversation is the same. I have to remind myself that because of my race I do have to work harder than the blonde hair girl with blue eyes. At my club,I find even the black men don’t show us love. It’s fine and that is just life of a WOC. (My experience)
LoveyDovey
11-09-2017, 08:37 AM
My club is upscale (by this city's standards, anyway) and while it is mostly white girls, we have a lot of black women too. I've worked at 3 clubs in the area and the clubs were always racially diverse. Which I like otherwise I'd find it very boring. We also have a very ethnically diverse crowd .
There is a racist white girl at my club and I get very irritated with her when she makes comments. It irks me because we have some very beautiful, classy WOC at my club. Then there are trashy white 50 year old trainwrecks whom I'd fire in a heartbeat if I were a manager.
Girl Anachronism
11-09-2017, 10:01 AM
My club is upscale (by this city's standards, anyway) and while it is mostly white girls, we have a lot of black women too. I've worked at 3 clubs in the area and the clubs were always racially diverse. Which I like otherwise I'd find it very boring. We also have a very ethnically diverse crowd .
There is a racist white girl at my club and I get very irritated with her when she makes comments. It irks me because we have some very beautiful, classy WOC at my club. Then there are trashy white 50 year old trainwrecks whom I'd fire in a heartbeat if I were a manager.
you're in socal right? they are pretty good about being diverse/accepting out there compared to other places. moving to the south was eye opening for me. like, wow, everyone's fucking racist.
SnuffleUffleGrass
11-09-2017, 10:23 AM
As a dancer who profits off the "Exotic" category in the club I have noticed a huge appeal of the typical "white" dancer ( a "Becky") is she is a familiar commodity to her customer. She is small, young, fresh and acts dimwitted. She makes her PL customers feel big, which is the whole reason they lay down VIP fees & honor her with their presence.
Americans are still amusingly threatened by people of color.
LoveyDovey
11-09-2017, 10:55 AM
you're in socal right? they are pretty good about being diverse/accepting out there compared to other places. moving to the south was eye opening for me. like, wow, everyone's fucking racist.
Yes, in socal. They are pretty accepting, which is great.
random stripper
11-09-2017, 12:20 PM
I know this is a thread about upscale clubs so I apologize if this is useless info, but where I live the only clubs within 90 minutes of me are all basically dives. I am a typical slim white blonde though I do not have the fake tan or big boobs. Anyways I cannot tell you how many times I get rejected for lapdances from guys to see them get lapdances from the black/mixed/latinas/filipinas etc, and I am pretty fucking good at selling a lot of dances so it isn't me. Maybe I am out of line here, but I am just saying please don't give up.
Pokahantas
10-31-2018, 09:27 AM
Thanks for this Amazing post!
lilac666
11-26-2019, 07:45 PM
Oh wow I just re-read this thread. All of it so interesting now that I am older and reflecting back on it. I haven't danced since 2011 so I have no idea what the industry is like nowadays.
Adelina
11-26-2019, 08:37 PM
I have recently witnessed a white and white collar looking customer totally mesmerized by a black dancer in my club. He paid no attention to me (I am white) and kept talking about how beautiful the black girl he liked was, he was kissing her hand etc.