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tampafldancer
11-29-2004, 02:53 PM
shes having sex with herself, not someone else by masturbating.
SHES NOT TOUCHING THEM, THEY ARE NOT TOUCHING HER.
pamela is a sweet lady, no reason to put words into her mouth.
noelle
11-29-2004, 02:57 PM
I just don't see either way what the big deal is. I could care less if she WAS having sex! To each, their own. I guess I am confused what is even being discussed here, it seems like the same point over and over and over again.
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 02:57 PM
Exactly, Tampa.
It's masturbation, That's all. They are paying to WATCH her masturbate. Nothing more, nothing less. There isn't any oral being given or recieved. If these men are 'jacking off', That's them. She isn't being involved in it.
Mr Hyde
11-29-2004, 03:16 PM
JMHO here...
but just from reading her posts in this thread, it appears that Pamela looks down on escorts that have sex with their clients...it sounds like she is saying she is better than that, like she's passing judgment on those that do it. Maybe I am reading in to what she's saying, or maybe she's just not stating what she means well. But Noelle seems to see this too, so maybe it's not just me.
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 03:23 PM
JMHO here...
but just from reading her posts in this thread, it appears that Pamela looks down on escorts that have sex with their clients...it sounds like she is saying she is better than that, like she's passing judgment on those that do it. Maybe I am reading in to what she's saying, or maybe she's just not stating what she means well. But Noelle seems to see this too, so maybe it's not just me.
Maybe I am missing something but I haven't seen anything that she has said that was 'putting down escorts'. She's just been clearly stating that she wasn't as escort, and how her shows are different than escorting.
If there's somewhere that she did, Please point it out to me. /:O
tampafldancer
11-29-2004, 03:27 PM
Maybe I am missing something but I haven't seen anything that she has said that was 'putting down escorts'. She's just been clearly stating that she wasn't as escort, and how her shows are different than escorting.
If there's somewhere that she did, Please point it out to me. /:O
no kidding. I'd like to know where they got that from as well?:O
Mr Hyde
11-29-2004, 03:31 PM
Let me see if I can give an analogy that would show what I mean....
Let's say I am a manager of a fine restaurant, and I'm talking with someone who asks what I do. I say "I manage a restaurant." The other person says "Oh really? I know someone who manages a restaurant too, he is the day manager at McDonald's." In response, I say "I manage a restaurant, I don't manage a McDonald's and I never would. "
Like I said, there might be a miscommunication somewhere, but there are two other people in this thread that think the same thing...
And if I'm mistaken, I am sorry, of course. I just try not to pass judgments on people based on what they do (well, mafioso and murderers nothwithstanding).
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 03:41 PM
I don't think she's meaning it like that though, at all.
She's just saying she isn't involved in that type of escorting. Jade and her are going back and forth with what their definitions of escorting is. I think she's simply trying to clearify that she doesn't do sexual things with these customers.
On your analogy....If you were a manager, and Bob owned a catering business. You'd still both be in the same line of work but you'd both be doing different things. She's in the escorting business but she isn't exactly doing the same thing as the rest of these girls are doing.
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 03:43 PM
Jade said that Pamela is still selling sex regardless if she's touching or not, correct?
Here's the difference.
Pamela is selling the appearance of sex (A show), Jade is selling her body.
That's why one is illegal and one isn't.
Mr Hyde
11-29-2004, 03:44 PM
Like I said, maybe I was wrong, but I wasn't the only one who thought that. From reading her posts on SW I don't think she would look down on escorts, it just looked that way in her posts in this thread, to me. I am sure I am wrong...
VenusGoddess
11-29-2004, 03:50 PM
It just seems to me that selling sex is selling sex. ??? They are both selling sex...albeit in different forms...but they both sell sex. When I was actively dancing...I sold sex. I didn't do extras or anything like that...but being a dancer...I used my body, my sex appeal...sensuality to make money. I am not ashamed of that...but in the end, we are all doing the same thing...just in different forms.
noelle
11-29-2004, 04:03 PM
I don't think she looks down on escorts. I just said I could see how Jade would think that, and I think Mr Hyde provided a good analogy about that. The problem I had was that Pamela said she wasn't an escort, but that's what she is. I don't care what she does.
tampafldancer
11-29-2004, 04:03 PM
Well , as they say.. sex sells... in just about every line of work.
However pamela is not selling sexual inercourse or two way sexual acts
i think its a safety thing for pam of why she does what she does, she's not trying to put anyone down.
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 04:06 PM
Sex is sex.
We're all allowed our opinions/thoughts.
Maybe some of this could have been handled differently, Who knows.
Oh well.
RoseDelight
11-29-2004, 04:19 PM
If it makes anyone feel better, I am a male escort. You can call me Fred....
:rotfl: Thanks for the laugh! :hug:
Jade Sinclair
11-29-2004, 07:45 PM
Interesting thoughts from all....:)
How long has this board been around?
Pamela
11-29-2004, 08:00 PM
Who new a performer could cause some to be confused here. A quick run down of me.
First i am a dancer yes, Miami and Lauderdale when i hit it. I do my private shows which i have advertised, and word of mouth as well. I strip give ld's and do solo sex, some guys will masturbate. Semen does not touch me, i do not pleasure a guy..only with my performance, Men watch, nothing physical, ok a ld! Wow.::)
I recently signed on with an escort co. out of West Plam Bch, i have been on a few calls. Only 2 calls worked so far...No sex. I DO NOT have sex with strangers because i don't want to die from AIDS. No amount of money to ME, get this "ME", is worth my health. Now, i have talked with the escorts at the co. they ALL sleep with customers and one questioned why i was working there. There is a difference between escorts and my parties....Sexual intercourse.
I do not look down on any escort who has sexual intercourse for money...Hell i am from Sweden...Escorts abound, homosexuality the norm!
If i want to call my performance a "private party" i will do so! I do not advertise as an escort or actually a stripper, but for private parties, and we negotiate over the phone.
Rose said it all, i do not have sex with these customers, i perform for them, and it's LEGAL here if i do not accept tips or screw them!! Here on stage in clubs we have girl/girl shows with kissing and dry humping!!!!!
Guys pay $500 an hour because they want sex. What the hell can you do in an hour worth your time for $500 with an escort???? Have sex! Really do the math. 60 minutes goes real quick.
Hyde you are wrong.....again, i do not look down on any escort having sex with a stranger....i just want to live and not die for a piece....Period.
So my shows will continue, i am happy! I sold out at 21 yrs old... dancing, men paid to see my body naked and eventually do ld's.
I will go as far as i can without having sex with customers, i love the money, it pays the bills, and it's all fun! :O
Pamela :)
Cranky
11-30-2004, 02:57 PM
If watching something visual and getting off makes the medium being watched a prostitute, I cant wait to see the coppers bust up in the adult video store and start placing cuffs on the videos in there. Uh oh, that means if you have watched a porno mpeg on your PC and gotten off then you have a prostitute on your PC, run, flee for the hills, delete delete delete!!
Mr Hyde
11-30-2004, 03:55 PM
Hmmm...why was my Fred Garvin post removed...
tampafldancer
11-30-2004, 04:08 PM
lol.. no idea? weird.. I have had a couple of mine in diffferent sections removed too..
Like when i said i was the resident ELLE. i was joking, what gives?
Mr Hyde
11-30-2004, 04:45 PM
Well, it's my avatar now...see how that flies...
tampafldancer
11-30-2004, 05:07 PM
}:D you!!
hehe :)
Pamela
11-30-2004, 07:55 PM
Hyde because you added nothing constructive to the board, just a joke about your name and your an escort.
Pamela
Mr Hyde
11-30-2004, 08:01 PM
By the way Pamela, I didn't mean to offend...I was just seeing something that wasn't there, I guess.
Pamela
11-30-2004, 08:20 PM
It's really cool! At times certain threads get "sticky" and it's tough when it's geared towards you, and your a moderator. You have to do your best to let it roll, no matter what others write.
Pamela :)
threlayer
12-07-2004, 04:55 PM
Biggest problem I have seen in the discussion is distinguishing between an escort and a prostitute. That distinction is blurred very often. If you don't talk the same language, trying to argue your point is pointless.
Someone needs an escort to attend some function, or just a date for some non-sexual fun.
Someone needs a prostitute for sexual activities. Then you have to define what is included in sexual activities -- and that is a very wide range, encompassing exhibition and tease only to penetrative intercourse. And there is the gray line.
A stripper/dancer doing contact dances in a club is doing the exhibiting and teasing, but the customer is not allowed to exhibit himself or do other sexual activities there. In private the dancer can do exactly the same, even to where the customer is doing some sexual activites, inspired by her, but not necessarily touching her sexually. It definitely becomes prostitution when sexual touching and/or penetration takes place.
In some repressive places even the unclothed dancer touching the customer is interpreted (wrongly I might suggest) as prostitution. I'm not considering such puritanical interpretations.
Escorting with exhibiting and teasing, but without including sexual touching and/or penetration, is the gray area. Some say it is escorting. It is certainly, but it might not be prostitution. Escorting itself is not a sexual activity; it is simply a paid date. See, it all depends on what you define since it is just a word anyway. Remember, people used to think of actors and nurses as prostitutes. In any case I call it safe FUN.
slutty
12-09-2004, 07:21 PM
Working for an escort service (instead of an entertainment service) can be very dangerous if you won't do extras. Men expect a prostitute when they call an escort service. To just dance puts you at high risk for attack.
I agree
Pamela
12-09-2004, 09:17 PM
And i agree with Sara and Slutty.
I work for an escort agency, and only get a few (very very few) who do not want sexual favours. I have 1 client know who i have seen twice who is kinda shy and likes feet! I love it, he seems to have money to burn, but is far from pushy. Also i have learned about escort agencies, it seems the better ones will match the customer up with a lady who suits him best. As i don't have sex, so i don't get many customers, but at least the guy knows what he is up for, and NOT getting. I also get to speak with the customer myself with the company on the line. Everything is recorded it seems, and i also tell the guy what i will not do while the company stays connected to me, so i feel good about that. I have a nice man who now goes with me on calls, and stays, (at first i had my friend go with a female from the company) watches over and so far so good. If i stay for 1 hour i get $500 take home plus any tips/presents a guy wishes to give. If you stay over you're hour call, they start taking money away from you. You must not stay over an hour unless it is arranged ahead of time.
See i have many restrictions, but the owner is cool, and he found me while i was out gambling one night with a friend, so i am still with it!
Pamela
Discretion
01-02-2005, 02:10 AM
there are lots of ladies who use that as a way to pay for college
we have 4 ladies GRADUATE from school and retire < WOHOO you go girls>
Wwanderer
01-02-2005, 01:55 PM
there are lots of ladies who use that as a way to pay for college
In my experience, it is particularly common to find female graduate students working as escorts, more so than undergrads. There are probably several reasons: Grad students are less likely to be supported by their parents/families or by scholarship and financial aid (especially in the arts and humanities) and thus often have greater financial needs. Grad students are typically a few years older than undergrads and thus that much more sophisticated about men, wise to the ways of the world and so forth. Grad students are less likely to be living in a dorm and so have more privacy and thus opportunity to work discreetly, etc.
-Ww
CuriousJ
01-11-2005, 05:02 PM
To me all these jobs make decent money for a reason ( High Demand ) , to me its all good .Just reading the thread with Pamela describing what she does in her shows makes me tingle .By the way if you haven't noticed I am way undersexed ::)
lost niki
01-11-2005, 08:29 PM
Very well put Adina!
Not that this is the case in this particular circumstance, but it has been my experience that when people are dissatisfied with their job, or suffering some short term self worth issues, then they tend to look for a quick ego boost with the" Im better than that ..." mentality.
But since many members of society have a negative attitude towards "sex trade workers" in general, and often fail to distinguish between the fine lines of distinction that seem so prevalent here, I would suggest we all live and let live, and stop casting stones. (ok that was one too many cliches, my apologies lol)
back to the topic at hand.
I would have to think that most clients would not expect full service for $100 an hour, however maybe the market is different in KY than Canada.
If you had a positive experience with your escorting then more power to you.
Thanks for the honest and interesting thread.
CanuckTwenty years ago it was $100 a hour. Now $100-$200 avg in Florida. More supply than demand.Some girls are getting normal jobs plus escorting so they can have a steady paycheck. To many men make appointments and never keep them.Maybe in 10 years escorts will have to drop their fee to $50 a hour.
Wwanderer
01-11-2005, 09:10 PM
Twenty years ago it was $100 a hour. Now $100-$200 avg in Florida.
There is a huge range, and those are very much low end numbers. Upscale indies and agency escorts easily command $300/hr and often much more. See, for example:
http://www.miamibeachescorts.com/
or
http://www.eros-tampa.com/sections/escort.htm
The former is an upscale agency, and the latter is a place a lot of mid- to upper-mid scale indies advertise.
-Ww
Pamela
01-11-2005, 10:51 PM
To me all these jobs make decent money for a reason ( High Demand ) , to me its all good .Just reading the thread with Pamela describing what she does in her shows makes me tingle .By the way if you haven't noticed I am way undersexed ::)
Lol. I keep it clean and safe. But i do have fun! I do masturbation shows the most and LOVE them! 8) Shower shows are cool too!
There is money to be made in private parties, but i have to do more than dance.
Pamela
Pamela
01-11-2005, 10:56 PM
Whoa Lost Niki i just saw that message. Not in my area hun! I charge depending on how many guys and how long. I have walked with much $$$$$ for a 45 minute show.
The money is out there, the guys are paying, but you have to be something different, so i perform, and they watch. Many different types of shows!!! :)
Pamela
lillirose
01-12-2005, 12:48 PM
Very very true Kid! I do private stripping. I do more than strip, i do dildo shows, shower shows, grinding ld's, NOT girl on girl shows however. The men NEVER have an contact with me other than a ld with his hands on my hips or thighs. When i do a dildo show, the men watch and do NOT touch.
This is not escorting, and what you describe is not escorting either, if it is, i should be charging a hell of alot more money than i do.
Pamela
Pamela--you're dead on right about what "escorting" and "private stripping" is! I'd also like to add on that the 2 are worlds apart to begin with: stripping (whether private or at clubs) is for the extroverts; escorting are girls who do it b/c it's very private. secondly--most escorts don't even know *how* to strip! and dancers don't want to be touched sexually when stripping.
so someone is lying here about their so-called "escort" work! or......that person could give us the name of that escort agency she claims she worked for (whether post it or in a PM).
hotmercedes
01-15-2005, 04:12 AM
so with all this said do you guys know of any good agencies out there that just do bachelor parties and private dances only
lost niki
01-15-2005, 01:44 PM
Around Tampa, Clearwater ect. the fee is $100- $200 for independent girls, that don't work in a agency. They advertise in V2 or Nightmoves magazine, picture ads.In the shops it can be as low as $50 for certain acts. If we were in DC or New York $500 a hour would be avg, but half goes to the agent.It would make a good book anyway.
Pamela
01-16-2005, 08:39 AM
Down here seems West Palm bch has the best rates. I went with this company because he branced out. He found me. They do charge alot, but we get paid alot...Me less than the other women i know. I take the fetish, sissy, and NO sex guys. Not many of them, because they would seek out a real Dom for that price. BUT, you get guys who don't want to pay out super high $$$$$ for an hour or two for a Dom. When he can pay less and get a sexy woman to treat him like shit. I have been with this agency for a couple months, it is slow to start for me, but i now have 4 regulars who i will jump on for the $$$$, they pay out well, and they tip well. I make more then stripping!! These are lonely guys (they tell me) who want to live out a fantasy that their wives or gf's wont do.
One guy tells me he is gay, but likes a female to yell at him while dressed sexy and make him piss his diaper...No training, just tell him what to do and he does it. No touching, except for a light kick now and again as i wear boots with him.
They are out there, going it alone, you can make good money, but they will try to cut the price because you don't work for an agency. Don't let them, ok maybe inquire with some top agencies around and see what they vharge the guys, then go a tad lower.
Give a full body rub, if you wish, but i wont that includes masturbation.
Now when i do a private party with out an agency, i do masturbation, shower and dress, strip shows. The guys only pour milk or other food stuff over me, no touching me, except my hair, shoulders and hips (thighs) while i give a ld. They pay well, all is negotiated over the phone, i accept no tips for anything. No sex with them. Only solo sex for them. Yes, these guys will pay up to $300 an hour. Do a few of these a night, (which is very very tough, as it's tiring) and you can bring in good $$$$ nightly. You have to promote though. I do, i know doctors and engineers. Also word of mouth goes around quick!
Good luck to anyone who gets into this, it's hard, but well worth the money.
Pamela
Dxotic1
01-22-2005, 06:55 PM
Re: the truth about escorting ... That is what this thread was about, right... It seems like everyone got more in the subject of what "she said..." and How she said it..
I feel it does not matter what we do as long as we DON'T intentionally harm anyone in the process.
How todays 'society judges this or that type of service should not be of our conern... Todays society is filled with people who like to judge but not be judged. It is filled with hypocritic people who go out to get laid or high on Saturday Night then swear over the Bible on Sunday, with their spouse. These are the customers, so why should we live under their judgements. We are all sexual beings, wether we get paid for it or not, it is not really important. I am strong believer that if you got it, make the most of it... It wont last forever.
About playing it safe; I would say, take the precautions some of the girls here have posted plus take some 'extreme' self-defence classes. Also, it makes a HUGE difference if you take control of the event; meaning, explaining exactly what you are and not going to do for them. Then, remind them before starting. I have learned that also puts you in a more desireble/respected point of view.
About Fees, I think Pamela does right by subscribing with more than one agency, but I would go further by also doing some self-marketing like the other girls have mentioned.
I am finishing up an online visitor entertainment referall-venue / talent-booking agency for international visitors. We will be serving only business men and women who can afford $300 per hour for a stripshow or escorting. I know for a fact many will happily pay for their desire service. It is all about seeking your market.
So, keep your head up girls, no matter what you do.
Those of us who have live within the reality of life, know, it is better to love than to judge.;)
Pamela
01-23-2005, 11:54 AM
Whoa just saw you're message.
More promoting? Ahhhh i would die from lack of sleep. :-\
I don't promote online, simply because i may get more work!!! ;D Or not.:-[
Pamela
Lenore Tepes
01-24-2005, 09:10 PM
This may be a stupid question, but if escorts have sex with their clients how do they protect themselves from diseases and such- do they insist on condoms and hope all goes well? I mean how much can a background check reveal? Also the masturbation show sounds like a great idea, if/when I get more experience dancing I may work my way up to it, but for now I'll start out the average dancer way- working with what I got and with what I'm comfortable with :-) Thanks for all the wonderful advice everyone!
Wwanderer
01-25-2005, 10:16 AM
if escorts have sex with their clients how do they protect themselves from diseases and such- do they insist on condoms and hope all goes well?
That is basically correct.
-Ww
Pamela
01-25-2005, 11:35 AM
I would have to say some of the ladies that work at the agency i do, DO NOT ask a man to use a condom. Most men i have encountered have asked me for sex, (even though they know i don't before the "date") and HATE condoms. Thet have talked of other encounters and said the feeling is so much better with out a "glove."
Plus the ladies get tested, so why worry customers say. (some customers say this)
Ya know, i can't actually believe this goes on. Sex with strangers, and no condoms at least, but they tear and do not protect from HPV. Testing does not keep you clean, it only gives results. I don't care for escorting, but they pay me well for Fetish/kink, and it just so happens this is the company i do some work for....An escorting agency. NO SEX EVER with me.
I don't have many customers, but when i get them they pay fantastic!!! Probably get a customer from the agency only twice a month.
Pamela
Wwanderer
01-25-2005, 02:32 PM
The norm for at least reasonably upscale escorts is "bare back" (no condom) oral sex (called a BBBJ usually) but intercourse using a condom (called CFS for "covered full service"), but exceptions are not extremely rare. Some escorts will provide BBFS for an extra fee or to regular customers or to all customers following satisfactory inspection of his equipment (and often after telling him that it is something special she does for her favorites or something like that). Exactly how common BBFS is and what its health consequences are for the escorts that do it and their customers are topics much discussed/debated in some prostitution related net communities. The condom/covered practise is largely a result of AIDS, of course; before it appeared and became widely known, most sex with escorts was BB.
-Ww
Pamela
01-29-2005, 09:08 AM
I have to say Wwanderer i have done alot of research on the escort biz. before diving in.
MANY women today use a condom. In some very up-scale agencies they have a "bowl" on the table int he back room full of all types of condoms. The agency puts them their for their use. The smarter looking classy ladies take some, i have watched, and made comments about not needing to take a disease home to hubby etc.. It's the younger, not so hot looking "girls" who don't take the condoms.
I think today women are taking sex and death much more serious. I see it. Experience does pay off for many women in the sex industry.
When you're very young you think you're invincible. I have learned this well at the agency. And i don't speak for all the ladies, but enough to know most care about their health, hell the ladies even say the WORST to do is kiss a stranger. They wont get involved on that level. I plan on having conversations (at least i hope she will) wiht a veteran escort who seems to run the place most of the time. I like her. She puts up with no BS under the roof, and is quick to fire ladies who do not beep in during their time. It's not such a crazy job, more relaxed than dancing, no hustle...But if you are not going to have sex on any level it's tough to get many customers. So i guess i am a fill in for the wierdos (just different guys..lol) who want to be smothered, pampered like a momy would do, pampered like a "step mommy would do, Feet, enemas, adult babies, etc. All this requires me no touching pretty much (never private areas) but to humiliate, i am much cheaper than a dom. It works for me!!! Escorting is not always about sex. 80% of the time i would guess. I am still learning about the inside of the business.
Pamela
LilSweetVixen
01-30-2005, 08:56 AM
I have questions about escorts for Pamela:
-What's to stop a customer from beating you up and raping you?
-What if he's an undercover fed and books you on the spot on false charges of prostitution?
Pamela
01-30-2005, 09:40 AM
First question. Nothing.
Second question. Fight in court.
Pamela :)
LilSweetVixen
01-30-2005, 11:44 AM
:eye-poppi nothing... hmm... well I guess it's just like with any blind date... :duck: isn't that so scary??
I would hope for the second one they don't make you pay your bail or that the company bails you out. I wonder what the legal limits are with escort services.
Pamela
01-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Well thank you for you're concern!
Pamela :)