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LilSweetVixen
01-30-2005, 05:02 PM
actually I was also asking for myself. I applied to work with a nearby agency. It's so I won't have to drive far out and and hope to break $150 after 8 hours of hustling. You get $100 upfront for the first hour, $100 for the second, plus tips for dancing etc. They said they could set me up with one or two regs, like maybe two-three times a week so I could feel more comfortable about it. Hopefully one will be a female so I won't have to worry about getting raped for crying out loud. I'm to meet with one of the "agents" this week to discuss details. I won't do extras and I'm VERY nervous. It's not my only resort though, because there is another SC I want to try out in the area, so we'll see.

Pamela
01-30-2005, 05:13 PM
Anyone anyplace can get raped. A women will not rape you? I highly doubt it, but again welcome to my world of escorting. Whats to stop a customer from anything? No one has the answer...This all depends on the force/weapon and people involved. Yes there are many risks. i am not a person who scares to easily however. Tougher then i may seem with my street smarts. :)

You asked about rape...Well we have very good security with the agency, always. I do private parties, and have very good security as well. If i or you are worried about getting raped, this is not the business for you. Don't let you're guard down, but don't show fear, or take shit either. Hell i have walked out on parties, and will do it again i'm sure.

Well my posts are around about how i conduct business.

As far as the "legal" limits in you're area, you would be very wise to check into them before you escort/private parties.

Good luck,

Pamela

LilSweetVixen
01-30-2005, 05:34 PM
Anyone anyplace can get raped.

good point.

:shy: I'm 5 feet tall so I'm usually worried about stuff like that. I'm just hoping that while it's possible, it's not common within that industry. I have some faith in this place because they would only hook me up with 1 or 2 people though.


You asked about rape...Well we have very good security with the agency, always. I do private parties, and have very good security as well.

that's good.


If i or you are worried about getting raped, this is not the business for you. Don't let you're guard down, but don't show fear, or take shit either.

(taking mental notes)

Thanks Pam!

Pamela
01-30-2005, 05:44 PM
I wish you lots of luck in the choices you make! Have any questions, i will do my best. But laws vary from state to state. Just Be careful...Never ever let you're guard down. Treat all customers as you would a stranger on the road...High caution.

Also enjoy you're work, and i know this sounds hard to do while keeping up you're guard, but i had my purse taken one night. Smart me however...They got chump change, and nothing personal. I took the purse up for my hairbrush, make-up etc. Never cc's or dl etc. should be at a party. Shit happens, and we as women do our best1 :)

Anyway....Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa luck! Be nervous, this will pass! It's you're bodies way of keeping you on you're toes first of all. :)
Pamela

Discretion
01-31-2005, 07:33 AM
We can see how concern 1 and 2 can affect you.

on concern one there is no 100% assuridy < just as in life> we can say that in just over 2 yrs we have NEVER EVER had any problems , we do screen our clients ... and we have a high client return rate

on concern two there is no 100% adduridy BUT they have guidlines they have to follow just as we do < everyone knows there are unwritten rules to every occupation > as long as we do everything right at the end of the night we can all go home safely




Edit: Took out the employment link.
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Thank you,
Pamela

Wwanderer
02-02-2005, 08:26 PM
I have to say Wwanderer i have done alot of research on the escort biz. before diving in. MANY women today use a condom. In some very up-scale agencies they have a "bowl" on the table int he back room full of all types of condoms. The agency puts them their for their use. The smarter looking classy ladies take some, i have watched, and made comments about not needing to take a disease home to hubby etc.. It's the younger, not so hot looking "girls" who don't take the condoms.

I guess that this refers to my comments about "bare back" = BB (no condom) vs "covered" = C (with condom) oral (BJ) and vaginal (FS) sex from escorts.

I have quite a lot of experience, as opposed to research, as a customer and have info from many guys via the internet, including via private forums (by email or on "invitation only" web sites), which are of course much more frank and explicit than the public forums. Anyway, as I mentioned previously, escorts who always insist on condoms are indeed common, but there are plenty, maybe even the majority, who offer BBBJ. BBFS is a little unusual but not anything close to what I would call rare. I am talking about $300+ per hour agency and indy escorts, basically. The last sentence I quote above, the one I put in boldface, is completely inaccurate in my experience.

To be a bit more accurate, I think that a lot of these ladies vary their standards/requirements depending on the customer. If it is a first "date" and only for a minimum hour of service with some guy who is clearly traveling through town, they may well insist on a condom for everything. However, if it is a regular or potential regular or a guy who is spending a lot for a longer term "date" or if he negotiates for it (perhaps paying more), a lot of escorts will do at least BBBJ and some BBFS. Of course, they won't generally admit doing it, especially BBFS, on public forums for obvious reasons. In other words, they use condoms when they can but not at the expense of giving up good customers.


I think today women are taking sex and death much more serious. I see it. Experience does pay off for many women in the sex industry.

Before HIV came along, almost all sex with prostitutes was unprotected. During the high tide of the heterosexual AIDS epidemic scare (which never developed in the US and Western Europe), most escorts always insisted on condoms. Gradually, this has relaxed. Anyway, that is my impression.

-Ww

Pamela
02-02-2005, 09:25 PM
Thanks for you're input. I am always learning about this business, and it does seem ladies change due to clients or money involved. In my experience so far with the agency i have seen and heard of the younger ladies going bareback. The older ones seem to always be talking about the customer they had who begged no condom because they are too tight.

I find this rather sad alot of times, some ladies say "what the hell he goes quick anyway." I listen and learn.....Wow what a job. Still younger seems to not use the condoms at the agency i do work for. And this is all just what i hear from back room talk as i turn my pager in.

Pamela

Wwanderer
02-02-2005, 10:16 PM
And, of course, just like exotic dancing, there are all sorts of huge variations from place to place, over time and from one woman to another. So, my comments are just an attempt to give an overall impression based on what I have personally experienced and heard, but any one particular situation anyone encounters could easily be quite different.

Overall, at least in the upscale part of the escort world, there seems to be less problem with STDs, at least the very serious ones, than one might have thought or guessed.

-Ww

violet st. claire
02-05-2005, 12:03 PM
to vixen who is worried about getting raped:

i've never escorted before, but this would be a little advice that might not safeguard you against the act, but certainly might help if it does happen (girls who have more experience in this area, please chime in if this is stupid, implausible, or would be overstepping customer/escort boundaries).

make sure that you meet all your clients in a public place FIRST, if only a hotel bar downstairs from his room. ask him for his driver's license and take down every bit of information on it that you can-- if you have a pda or a text message capable cell phone, e-mail it to yourself, or send it to someone you trust. be friendly and professional about it and smile-- its just business, you do it with everyone, a girl has to protect herself, its for your records, whatever-- but make it clear that consentual sex is still part of the business.

if real life escort customers are consistent with the ones you see on tv, they are usually business men, who may have families and definitely have careers to think about-- getting dragged through the mud is not going to be on his agenda and with you having all of his information, he'll probably think twice about doing anything you say isn't kosher.

LilSweetVixen
02-05-2005, 03:54 PM
Anyway....Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa luck! Be nervous, this will pass! It's you're bodies way of keeping you on you're toes first of all. :)
Pamela

Thanks Pam!!:goodvibes

LilSweetVixen
02-05-2005, 03:59 PM
wow violet, that is a really good idea. it would give me more peace of mind. thanks.

NinaDaisy
02-05-2005, 04:52 PM
Actually Violet, it's never wise to talk about sex AT ALL with a prospective client. In the unlikely event that you're talking to a cop, that'll snag you right there. Most independent escorts will end an appointment if there's any talk of sex at all. Typically the tipping point is once the guy is already naked.

Guys that persist asking about sex acts, such as "So if I give you $500, does that mean I can fuck you as many times as I want?" or "Does that include a BJ?" are quite possibly cops. You're supposed to just smile and feign ignorance.

Also Wwanderer, the vast of the majority high-end escorts I've met (including Adina and by high-end I DO NOT mean $400 an hour, more like 4 figure multi-hour dinner dates and 5 figure travel bookings) absolutely WILL use condoms for FS, but some do offer BBBJ. The rationale I've heard for CFS is that they just don't know if some of these guys have a proclivity for street hookers and like to mix it up in their boring, pointless businessmen lives by alternating between exclusive escorts and junkie streetwalkers. Or even if their wives are fucking the poolboy who might be HIV+. You really never know. It's been proven that though the risk of transmission through oral is far less than vaginal intercourse, it's still a slight possibility. Many escorts that I know who offer BBBJ will not let the guy come in her mouth for that reason which is why they might not do it on a first meeting. They need to trust the guy to not do it.

Anyway, I think if you're gonna be an escort, an agency is the WORST way to go. They take half your money, and contrary to popular belief, they rarely screen. Many indie girls screen and pre-book. Yes, guys will make an appointment to fuck you, sometimes months or weeks in advance. With an agency, you just show up not knowing what's behind that door, but with screening you can diminish the risk. As Adina once told me, "If something doesn't sound right on the phone (after she's screened his info and run a background check) it probably isn't."

Oh and carry a few Magnums for the poor deluded souls who think that condoms are too tight! ::)

Wwanderer
02-05-2005, 06:43 PM
make sure that you meet all your clients in a public place FIRST, if only a hotel bar downstairs from his room. ask him for his driver's license and take down every bit of information on it that you can-- if you have a pda or a text message capable cell phone, e-mail it to yourself, or send it to someone you trust.

Screening clients in some such way is the norm for upscale indies and good agencies. Some escorts do require a public meeting first, but this can have its downsides. For example, employees will definitely notice eventually if an attractive young woman frequently (maybe more than once per night or weekend) meets (usually considerably older) men in the hotel lobby or bar or coffee shop or whatever and then goes off with them after chatting for a bit, less of a problem in huge cities than in smaller places obviously. Also, some customers will not want to risk being seen by friends or colleagues and then have to explain who she was, etc. But there are other techniques too. Some escorts require first time customers to fill out a web form providing verifiable employment info at least 24 (or 48 or whatever) hours in advance. Some require a "reference" from some other well known, high profile internet escort/provider. If you are really going to give escorting a try, it is well worth checking out (lurking if you prefer) some of the internet prostitution forums and getting ideas about screening and many other matters.

There is always a trade-off though. The more thoroughly you screen clients, the safer you will be, but the more work/time it will take and (probably more importantly) the more clients you will lose because they are unwilling to trust you with their personal info, etc. Each escort needs to find her own comfort level in these matters. It is my impression that many start off with very conservative and extensive screening requirements but gradually relax them as they gain confidence and come to feel that "The Biz" is not as dangerous as they had first feared.


if real life escort customers are consistent with the ones you see on tv, they are usually business men, who may have families and definitely have careers to think about

That is probably true of most, the vast majority actually, of the customers of upscale escorts, on the other hand most of these guys are perfectly safe and at no threat to rape or beat an escort. It is the unusual few that you have to worry about, and maybe they don't follow that pattern...I really don't know.

-Ww

Wwanderer
02-05-2005, 07:15 PM
it's never wise to talk about sex AT ALL with a prospective client. ... Guys that persist asking about sex acts, such as "So if I give you $500, does that mean I can fuck you as many times as I want?" or "Does that include a BJ?" are quite possibly cops.

Right! A very important basic precaution on which any newbie escort needs to have a firm grasp.


Also Wwanderer, the vast of the majority high-end escorts I've met (including Adina and by high-end I DO NOT mean $400 an hour, more like 4 figure multi-hour dinner dates and 5 figure travel bookings) absolutely WILL use condoms for FS, but some do offer BBBJ.

Actually, quite a few of the $300-500 and up per hour upscale escorts and the "4 figure multi-hour..." ones you mention are one and the same women! Sometimes they work both markets under different "professional names" and sometimes they simply offer both types of services/dates in their overall price structure; a little surfing of indie escort web sites will demonstrate the latter.

Re condoms, BBBJ is indeed much more common than BBFS in my experience, and as I indicated in my previous post, the customers who are taking the "4 figure multi-hour..." options are more likely to see some BB action than those doing the one hour minimums. Re BBFS, I would only add that you may not have always heard the truth from whatever escorts you know. Most of the upscale ladies who offer BBFS, do not advertise the fact that they do so...and in fact will strongly deny it if asked or accused of dong so. Often they tell their better/regular customers that it is a "special service" just for them because they like them so much...and will ask the customer not to tell anyone else, etc. It is a moderately regular event on the "backchannel" (private) guys-only prostitution net forums for it to be revealed that some well known local escort is doing BBFS with dozens or more guys and telling each of them that he is the only one. Generally, a lot of drama then ensues...


It's been proven that though the risk of transmission through oral is far less than vaginal intercourse, it's still a slight possibility. Many escorts that I know who offer BBBJ will not let the guy come in her mouth for that reason which is why they might not do it on a first meeting. They need to trust the guy to not do it.

Right. The risk of HIV transmission via oral sex is particularly low, not so with all STDs though. Also, right re the not cumming in her mouth...thus the BBBJTCNQNS and related accronyms.


Anyway, I think if you're gonna be an escort, an agency is the WORST way to go. They take half your money, and contrary to popular belief, they rarely screen.

I entirely agree that being an indie has many pluses over working for an agency. However, realistically, a lot of escorts, especially newbie ones, simply do not have the confidence, resources, organizational skills, advertising/sales sophistication, street savvy re how "The Biz" works, willingness to do the background work and so forth to make it as an indie. Being a successful indie is like running your own small business, and their is A LOT more to it than simply the bedroom time with customers. Agencies take care of all that sort of thing, though at a high cost as you note. As far as I can tell, agencies do provide the most practical way for a lot of women to give escorting a try. Then, if they like it and are good at it and are so inclined, it is a lot easier to go indie with the experience they have gained.

It is also worth mentioning that agencies vary as much or more than strip clubs in how well they are run, how competent and fair their management is and so forth. If you are going to work for an agency, it would be really wise to use the net, or whatever other resources are available to you, to figure out which ones are good (from the escort's perspectives) and which ones are awful...just like picking a club at which you are going to dance.

-Ww

Pamela
02-05-2005, 09:51 PM
I highly agree with most posts here. First i work for an agency, and do my own private parties. I charge first by how many people will be there and what i perform for the clients. As for a call to me from a potential customer, all you need to say is NO SEX for money. You are good to go! I have to tell the customer/s what i will and wont do before meeting up for the party. Or i will lose them to another woman.

Now the agency takes a nice cut yes, but i get a ride to the destination, security stays, and a ride home. This all cost the agency money, that is why they charge more, and i don't make as much as i do when i do my own parties. At times i will break even with my own parties.

Also with the agency i do fetish. Period. I don't have many regulars, and don't have sex with these guys. One guy has a major foot fetish and wants to be treated like shit...Now i am cheaper than going to a Dom. So he gets what he wants for less money, we both are happy. I have another who is simply into Scat. I just tell him to fill up, hold and release into a diaper. There are a few more, but along the same lines as these guys.

You all seem to be talking chicks who have some sort of sex. Bj's etc. I found my own system that beats the system...These guys are out there, rich lonely and pay very well for company and sexy talk along with a strip, ld or fetish game! It works.
I charge the most i can for what i do. I promise if i was ever going to suck a guy off, well lets say i would be getting a hell of alot more than $500 for 40 minutes. I do agree about the HIV and oral, to a point, but herpes and other nasty STDs ride the shaft, and live in the semen. Whew...What a price to pay for $1,000 in hand!

PS Magnum condoms slip off. (ex bf and i have done this, and i was taught in class) If a man tells you the condom is too small (regular size) just open that baby up with you're mouth, form a fist stick you're tongue through the tip and push it over you're fist and down you're wrist until it stops. Then feel the rim, it will stretch even more!!!! Yes you may have to use you're hand to help, it's just sexy to learn to slip a condom on with you're mouth...Another topic. Magnums make his ego go through the roof, not his cock!!! Lol.

Pamela :)

P

NinaDaisy
02-06-2005, 04:27 AM
Pamela, you're right about the condoms! I saw a sex ed teacher in high school put one over his head! The one on his neck, you gutter-minded freaky-deakys!

I was being faceitious when I said to use Magnums, because the vast majority of men don't really need them. Condoms are SUPPOSED to fit snugly so they don't fall off! They probably know that, but I guess they're too busy trying to outwit us wily ladies.

Wwanderer
02-06-2005, 05:15 AM
As for condoms and outwitting, it is apparently common (or so my escort friends tell me) for some guys to try to slip off the condom unnoticed at some point, often just before entering her in the "doggie" position when the escort has a poor view of the proceedings. If everything is sufficiently well lubed up, it may be difficult or impossible for the escort to notice the difference by feeling alone, especially if she is not expecting any such trickery. Something else a newbie escort needs to beware of.

(Btw and fwiiw, I think that such a low deception is essentially the equivalent of rape...sort of stealth rape.)

-Ww

242_fair
02-06-2005, 07:38 AM
As for condoms and outwitting, it is apparently common (or so my escort friends tell me) for some guys to try to slip off the condom unnoticed at some point, often just before entering her in the "doggie" position when the escort has a poor view of the proceedings.


-Ww

This is SOOO true! I heard some hookers talking about this at my club in Guam!

Pamela
02-06-2005, 08:00 AM
Pamela, you're right about the condoms! I saw a sex ed teacher in high school put one over his head! The one on his neck, you gutter-minded freaky-deakys!

I was being faceitious when I said to use Magnums, because the vast majority of men don't really need them. Condoms are SUPPOSED to fit snugly so they don't fall off! They probably know that, but I guess they're too busy trying to outwit us wily ladies.

Seriously Lol, Nina.

I know you meant it as silly, and it is. My friend was always fighting her bf about his choice of condoms. Had to be magnums, she said that at first it's do-able, but going through stages of sex at times he gets a tad softer, and that is when they would lose the condom, sometimes inside her...Gosh we laughed, but on a serious note, he was an ass. So she bought the condoms and also knew she could slide the whole thing over a fist and down her wrist, she had nice size hands too!

It's a fucking dangerous game, they both played around on each other.

As for the guys going in from behind, i think there should be a handbook for sex workers, newbies need to learn they need to put their hand back on his shaft and help him put it in from behind, then you know it's staying on. I bet some veterans don't even do this. I always wanted to guide the cock inside me from behind with my SO anyway, or we had a mirror.

That would be bad news for both parties if a customer did slip off a condom. Sorry but in South Florida are HIV rate is rampant, the highest, higher than NYC i read from the CDC. Scarey.

Pamela

Lena
02-06-2005, 02:08 PM
Well, I've taken a lesson from Pamela and started seeing fetish customers in hotels and such. So far I'm actually liking it more than dancing - I know where I'm going, what I'm doing, and how much I'm making before I get there, and usually it's as much as I'd make in a night of dancing in a couple hours.

I screen with a little info and a lot of intuition. If anything feels wrong, I don't go. I ask guys for their full names, and their home or work number. If it's a work number I call and (discreetely) verify that they work there. If it's a home number, I do a reverse look-up at anywho.com and make sure it matches their names and make a note of the address. These seem to be fairly routine and most guys know that I have thier info. Before I go anywhere, I call my girlfreind and give her all the info I have on the guy and tell her where I'll be and when I'll be done.

Lena

Pamela
02-06-2005, 08:55 PM
Well, I've taken a lesson from Pamela and started seeing fetish customers in hotels and such. So far I'm actually liking it more than dancing - I know where I'm going, what I'm doing, and how much I'm making before I get there, and usually it's as much as I'd make in a night of dancing in a couple hours.

I screen with a little info and a lot of intuition. If anything feels wrong, I don't go. I ask guys for their full names, and their home or work number. If it's a work number I call and (discreetely) verify that they work there. If it's a home number, I do a reverse look-up at anywho.com and make sure it matches their names and make a note of the address. These seem to be fairly routine and most guys know that I have thier info. Before I go anywhere, I call my girlfreind and give her all the info I have on the guy and tell her where I'll be and when I'll be done.

Lena


Lena you rock!!!! Glad you like it too! See not all guys want sex. It's very do-able and pays very well.

I have one coming up next week, and he is into cross dressing! Gosh he's so easy he just pretty much wants to hear how much more beautiful he is than me, over and over again......::) Lol.

Pamela

Adina
02-06-2005, 09:20 PM
Re BBFS, I would only add that you may not have always heard the truth from whatever escorts you know. Most of the upscale ladies who offer BBFS, do not advertise the fact that they do so...and in fact will strongly deny it if asked or accused of dong so. Often they tell their better/regular customers that it is a "special service" just for them because they like them so much...and will ask the customer not to tell anyone else, etc. It is a moderately regular event on the "backchannel" (private) guys-only prostitution net forums for it to be revealed that some well known local escort is doing BBFS with dozens or more guys and telling each of them that he is the only one. Generally, a lot of drama then ensues...

Oh, bullshit. B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T - F-U-C-K-I-N-G - P-L-E-A-S-E.

Yeah, escorts find incurable life and reproductive system threatening viruses just so sexy; it's worth it to us to infect ourselves for a buck from a "good customer." And your "backchannel" guys-only prostitution net forums that you are so special to be a member of are a really reliable source, because, as we know, guys never lie about these things to impress their net buddies. They never bend the truth to band together more guys to increase the pressure on women into unsafe acts (Well Natasha did it so why don't you?").

How stupid do you think we are?


Edit due to flaming.

Wwanderer
02-07-2005, 12:36 AM
Oh, bullshit. B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T - F-U-C-K-I-N-G - P-L-E-A-S-E.
Yeah, escorts find incurable life and reproductive system threatening viruses just so sexy; it's worth it to us to infect ourselves for a buck from a "good customer." ...

This topic frequently generates a lot of heat on net forums devoted to prostitution, and I don't see that there is much to be gained by importing the controversy here. Anyone inclined to argue about it can easily find people defending any and all claims about how common (or sane or immoral or...) BBFS is on several such sites. Plus, in any case, I don't do online "yelling"/flaming.

But, fwiiw and whether or not you wish to believe me, here is what I can tell you for sure, based on my personal experience and observations:

- I do NOT accept BBFS from escorts when it is offerred.

- I NEVER request BBFS.

- It has been offerred to me more times than I could easily count/remember.

- I have not kept records or anything, but I'd guess that maybe 10-20% of escorts
on whom I have spent more than $1-2 thousand have offerred me BBFS.

- It is my impression, again not based on any careful record keeping, that the fraction
goes up as the total I have spent (over time) increases. Two of the three escorts on
whom I have spent the largest totals (5 figures) have offerred me BBFS as a special
"just for you" treat.

- Specific, well-known, upscale internet escorts who are widely reported to offer BBFS
on the backchannel/private customer forums have also offerred it to me.

- Many guys claim to get BBFS on these forums much more frequently than I find
plausible; I tend to think that they are "exaggerating"...and have even accused
them of doing so on occasion...but I also understand that their experiences could
be different from mine for various reasons.

- I think that an escort who does BBFS, even if only for her very best clients, is taking
unwise risks, to put it mildly, and I am surprised that it happens as much as it does
and with as little apparent consequence as it does. I wish that escorts would all
stick to CFS; I think that we would all be safer and better off that way. However,
I find BBBJ an acceptable risk level. That said, I also recognize that all concerned
get to make their own judgements about risks and benefits and that it is pointless
for me to try to convince everyone to abide by mine.


your "backchannel" guys-only prostitution net forums that you are so special to be a member of are a really reliable source, because, as we know, guys never lie about these things to impress their net buddies. They never bend the truth ...

We are talking about sex here, commercial sex at that, and sure, customers lie to each other and to the ladies all the time. And it goes the other way too; it is not like escorts, in general, are paragons of honesty with either their customers or each other. Right? So, it seems to me that all any of us can claim to KNOW FOR SURE about what happens BCD (behind closed doors) between prostitutes and their customers is what we DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE OURSELVES, no matter how much experience with The Biz we have. But that applies to both escorts and customers, doesn't it? (In other words, you may disbelieve me, but you can't possibly KNOW that what I have posted above is untrue because you weren't there and you can't KNOW that what your colleagues have told you about their own practises is 100% true.)

-Ww

Sparkell
02-07-2005, 04:13 AM
ive done quite a few fetish shows also ..and yes it to me is better than dancing....but in sf u get all the wierdos...*wink*:O8)

Adina
02-07-2005, 11:23 AM
Your definition of "upscale," Wwanderer, and mine seem to be vastly different. UG isn't remotely upscale.

I also got a kick out of your insistence that escorts who have multiple hour minimums above 2 thousand have websites under different names. I've heard many variations on the "no piece of a$$ is worth..." argument but that one is brilliant. Would you care to cite some examples?

I'll stick to what I know - the business of being an escort. How about you stick to what you know - the business of being a client.

Wwanderer
02-08-2005, 06:59 AM
Your definition of "upscale," Wwanderer, and mine seem to be vastly different.

As there are indeed vast prices ranges in The Biz, that is possible. But it is easy to be specific (as I meant to be above); I consider "upscale" (in this context) to refer to $300+ per hour and four figures for evening or overnight dates. It would be a bit higher in NYC or SF or other expensive ciites; those are meant to be sort of typical average national numbers.


UG isn't remotely upscale.

Agreed, in the sense that most of the escorts reviewed there and those commonly seen by most clients posting on UG are not "upscale" in the above sense. But how did UG get into this discussion? Maybe you noticed that I have a few thousand posts there (using the same Ww handle), but that is only because I find/found a bunch of interesting people and conversations there (the same reason I am here, btw). In fact, I have seen exactly one escort exactly once via UG; I have seen two others who have some UG "presence" (one of them EXTREMELY slight), but I met both of them via other means and before I became active on UG.


I also got a kick out of your insistence that escorts who have multiple hour minimums above 2 thousand have websites under different names. I've heard many variations on the "no piece of a$$ is worth..." argument but that one is brilliant. Would you care to cite some examples?

I am glad that you found it amusing, but you seem to have misconstrued my point. In fact I have many times and at great length argued against the "no piece of a$$ is worth..." position. It is naive to silly imo. And as long as UG is on the table, here is an example from UG:

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=262328

Somewhere in the middle of the first page of that thread you will find me arguing that it is perfectly reasonable to pay an almost arbitrarily high price for an escort if you can afford it. You can find me making the same and similar points in other threads in the UG "High End Room" forum if you poke around a bit.


I'll stick to what I know - the business of being an escort. How about you stick to what you know - the business of being a client.

OK, agreed, but that is precisely my point. The highly symmetric and weirdly ironic situation is that, as an experienced escort, you have far better and more direct personal knowledge of how clients actually behave in private (bcd) than I can ever possibly have. But for exactly the same reason, as an experienced client, I have far better and more direct personal knowldedge of how escorts actually behave in private (bcd) than you can ever possibly have. Basically, we can each only know what our peers/colleagues tell us about their behavior (which could be distorted or completely false, as you point out) but we have direct personal access to the truth about the behavior of our "counterparts" on "the other side of the bed", so to speak. Odd, neh?

-Ww

Wwanderer
02-08-2005, 07:05 AM
Just to make sure it is not lost or confused in the above discussion of how commonly escorts offer BBFS and in case anyone cares what I think, here is my strong advice to any dancer or other newbie considering giving escorting a try:

Stick to CFS, i.e., never provide vaginal intercourse to a client without a condom.

You do not need to take the risk of BBFS to be very successful as an escort, despite what some might tell you, and doing so is extremely foolishly, potentially fatally so.

-Ww

LilSweetVixen
02-08-2005, 07:35 AM
you're assuming all escorts have CFS!


anyway what sorts of things make you know an agency is legit. For example I have called a few agencies and I am too suspicious of them to pursue those places. :scared: why?

None of them have offices or are based in a particular place :detective

When you call they pick up with "hello" instead of "name of agency":cop:

It's usually a man who picks up...... :wheelchai

They want to know exactly why you called before they answer openly:judge:

They act evasive :whistlebl

Pamela
02-08-2005, 08:34 AM
you're assuming all escorts have CFS!


anyway what sorts of things make you know an agency is legit. For example I have called a few agencies and I am too suspicious of them to pursue those places. :scared: why?

None of them have offices or are based in a particular place :detective

When you call they pick up with "hello" instead of "name of agency":cop:

It's usually a man who picks up...... :wheelchai

They want to know exactly why you called before they answer openly:judge:

They act evasive :whistlebl

Hmm not sure what part of the US you are from. I, here in Florida, called many agency's before i ever thought i would even work for one just to see what goes on, how the pay is etc.

I always had a woman answer, and met up at 4 offices. And this was right at my home town! We have 1 office that runs accross the street from a college!! They have answered my questions, been polite, and asked me to come in. Never any mention of sex...Of course not. Escort: a companion, i got that alot. Matter of fact the company i work for (a male owns this one out of west palm bch Fl) calls all the ladies companions, that is the common term most agency's use.

Pamela

NinaDaisy
02-10-2005, 10:05 AM
you're assuming all escorts have CFS!


anyway what sorts of things make you know an agency is legit. For example I have called a few agencies and I am too suspicious of them to pursue those places. :scared: why?

None of them have offices or are based in a particular place :detective

When you call they pick up with "hello" instead of "name of agency":cop:

It's usually a man who picks up...... :wheelchai

They want to know exactly why you called before they answer openly:judge:

They act evasive :whistlebl

Where do I start...

Agencies run the gamut, anything from a guy with a cellphone, to small offices. No office can often decrease the possibility of a bust.

They're not gonna answer the phone by greeting you with "Hello, Hookers R' Us, home of the cheapest Half-and-Half this side of the Mississippi!"

They act evasive because their business is officially ILLEGAL, despite the "money exchanged for time only yadda yadda yadda veneer." Sure it's possible, though unlikely that there are guys that don't call escorts for sex, but the overwhelming majority do.

Most escorts I've met started out working for agencies and were really unhappy. They were much happier with their work going indie.

LilSweetVixen
02-10-2005, 10:15 AM
I didn't know escort services were illegal. Then the guy running the company could beat you up and force you to take drugs. I thought just certain activities are illegal if the provider/customer participate in them. So there's no difference between an escort and a prostitute except that prostitution is legal in certain places. This sheds new light.

Pamela
02-10-2005, 12:42 PM
We have ads in our papers for escort services. No, escort companies are not illegal, an escort is for the purpose of a "date." paying a women to go to dinner, a movie etc. They are companions. Sex needs not be mentioned during any interview with a customer...Then it's illegal.

Pamela

LilSweetVixen
02-10-2005, 02:56 PM
ok, that sounds more like what I envisioned. Thanks always :)

Pamela
02-10-2005, 03:05 PM
ok, that sounds more like what I envisioned. Thanks always :)

Anytime Hun.

Pamela