View Full Version : What are the reasons to want Bush re- elected ?
Madcap
06-28-2004, 11:44 PM
Yeah, but something tells me that 10 minutes in the hall with an ugly intern wasn't what the founding fathers had in mind when they came up with the impeachment deal.
Now, i don't like Clinton either. He couldn't keep it in his pants for an INTERN (someone he was in so much of a position of power over) I have interns, some of whom are hot as hell, i keep it in my pants. I have no respect for Clinton, but i think his morals as far as sex goes means nothing as far as the presidency goes. Kennedy was practically gang banging Marylin Munroe (Sorry to be crass) with his brother no less.
DancerWealth, I gotta give it up to ya - you have some set of balls to shove your views down everyone's throats. Is this a technique that you teach the dancers' to use on potential customers to make more money.
I don't think you are being a good businessman. My girlfreind was interested in your services, but now us giving you our money is laughable.
well he has a right to express his views like the rest of us but I have to say its not going to help get business from many here
BTW, how could anyone NOT expect the presidents to cheat on thiir wives? I have seen several presidents wives and picturing them naked is the stuff that nighmares are made of.
You would think these influential men of power could attract better looking women.
Madcap
06-28-2004, 11:49 PM
BTW, how could anyone NOT expect the presidents to cheat on thiir wives? I have seen several presidents wives and picturing them naked is the stuff that nighmares are made of.
You would think these influential men of power could attract better looking women.
Unless they are named Jack Kennedy. Marylinn was fucking HOT!
well u gotta remember that many still hold the stereotype that beautiful women can't be smart too ...... sad but true
thats it for me for today :sleep:
Madcap
06-28-2004, 11:49 PM
well u gotta remember that many still hold the stereotype that beautiful women can't be smart too ...... sad but true
People who say that have never seen SW.
Djoser
06-28-2004, 11:58 PM
Personally, I thought that Clinton should have been impeached for numerous other issues such as selling weapons to the North Koreans and the FBI Filegate. Having sex with an intern in the Oval Office was disgusting and disgraceful. It was also something they could get to stick though.
So we should have impeached Reagan for selling weapons to Iran and lying about it? What the hell was Iran/Contra all about?
And Bush Sr. for his part in the same? What about the weapons sold to Iraq by us? Take off the blinders, man, there ARE Republicans who screw up, just like Democrats do on a regular basis...
I may not always agree with him, but I applaud Jay Zeno for having the objectivity to call it like he sees it, with circumspection and restraint. He has repeatedly shown himself to be most intelligent, and much more important than this--wise in the application of said intelligence.
This is something you and I both have been less praiseworthy about, though I at least consider both political parties subject to criticism.
Pisces3x3
06-29-2004, 12:18 AM
Its sad that these 2 candidates are the main ones to choose from. I dont want EITHER of them as America's future leader. I think Bush is a money thriving butt-munch. He is more of a business man than a President, but as a business man he doesnt do well either. Kerry is for the war in Iraq and has funded money for it. I am against the war in Iraq so there go both candidates for me. Honestly I hate both of them however if voting for Kerry means getting Bush out of office along with Bush's administration then I guess Ill have to go that route. Then there is plan B - vote for Nader so neither of them get into office which would be MY personal favorite scenario but the chances of both Bush and Kerry losing to Nader is highly unlikely. Its a sad world we live in nowadays.
DancerWealth
06-29-2004, 12:25 AM
DancerWealth, I gotta give it up to ya - you have some set of balls to shove your views down everyone's throats. Is this a technique that you teach the dancers' to use on potential customers to make more money.
Shoving my views down everyone's throat? ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!! How about this:
Ok, i just got back from seeing the movie and I think it should be seen by everyone in the country
Seems like the only person who is doing the shoving is you my friend.
My girlfreind was interested in your services, but now us giving you our money is laughable.
I'm okay with that. If someone doesn't want to succeed because they have a different political viewpoint than I do, so be it. I'll tell you what, I'll just leave you to erect the altar to Michael Moore on your own and I'll duck out of the political threads. Fair enough?
Madcap
06-29-2004, 12:28 AM
Duck out of the political threads and you'lkl be missing out on some great throat cutting....
Hey, 1000th post... isn't that SAD?
DancerWealth
06-29-2004, 12:50 AM
Duck out of the political threads and you'lkl be missing out on some great throat cutting....
Hey, 1000th post... isn't that SAD?
I know, and I vowed to give up all the cut throating back in my old BBS years in the PC vs. Amiga computer wars. :) Congrats on the 1000th post! I feel honored that you used it to write about me. I'll be sure my 1000th message will be right back at you. ;D
Madcap
06-29-2004, 12:53 AM
I also have much more dumb shit to say than you do. 900% of my posts are retarded.
Jay Zeno
06-29-2004, 05:16 AM
Well, Dj, I appreciate the kind words.
I'll note my agreement with what others have said about questions that shouldn't have been asked in the first place. The impeachment was an artificial construct, manipulated to go after a President that the Republicans didn't like.
For that matter, I don't understand why they didn't like him. Under the Clinton presidency, we got a balanced budget and welfare reform. I thought those were Republican platforms. (Of course, the Democrats were quick to claim them once they actually happened.) We had socialism rear its head with the health care proposal, but that sank with barely a bubble.
Travelgate, Whitewater, Lewinsky, and such things were unsavory. You wouldn't want to shake hands with Clinton, I grant you. But hardly impeachable, and they paled in comparison to what other presidents did without a problem. It took a real stretch to call a lie by an unfaithful man an impeachable offense. The Republicans, to their discredit, were willing to make that stretch. They succeeded in grinding the gears of goverment and spending millions of dollars and who knows how many man-hours to do so that would have been better spent running the country. Nice "fiscal conservation," guys.
Sitri
06-29-2004, 05:24 AM
Home schooling? Um, yeah. So how are parents more qualified to teach their children physics, algebra or creative writing than a certified teacher?
not to mention calculus, languages or here's a scary one chemistry :o
Home Schooling Chemistry
OK, children,,
Today we learn how to determine the sex of a baby...
First you get some draino..
Second, you put a little in a jar.
Third ,, you pee in the jar.
If it turns Blue, its a boy.. If it turns Green, its a girl.
Tomorrow, in Home School Biology we talk about sex....you can watch mommy and daddy do it..
End Home School.
Isis, You hit it on the head.
samart
06-29-2004, 04:36 PM
My #1 reason.
Keeping a strong military. Plain and s9mple. If you say, how do you know Kerry won't do that, then I say look back at the past Democratic plans. Clinton, saw some of the biggest cuts our military had. Don't think that our guys got deployed under Clinton? Think again. Some very close friends of mine spent time over in Bosnia for 2 years, and then got to come home. 4 months later he was deployed over to Saudi for another 2 year stint. Keeping a strong military has always been a concern of mine, which is why I vote like I do.
One MAJOR reason I won't vote for Kerry is how he is flip flopping back and forth on the issues. Give me a major stand on something, I would probably give him a good look. However, every time I see him on TV I see him contradicting himself from something he said two weeks ago.
I like that the economy is on the rebound also. But saying that Bush was the savior for that is just plain ass stupid. Anyone who thinks that the President of the United States has that much control over the economy is a freakin moron. In the same token, I don't blame the economy tanking on Clinton. Just was another corrective phase.
Seriously, I really think that one of the biggest issues that will come of the next president is going to be the problems of Jobs going overseas. This issue has to be brought to the forefront and dealt with. Companies riding on the shoulders of the American worker and then taking their job overseas is a damn insult.
Just my opinions. You don't have to agree with them, but don't come in here and tell me how stupid they may sound. I sure as hell don't need someone telling me how to frickin THINK!
sgtjohnny
06-29-2004, 06:07 PM
Whoever wrote claiming I am a Republican. You have no idea what you are talking about. I am a Libertarian.
As for those who think Pres. Bush did nothing for education do you not remember the education bill soon after his inaugaration. (Sorry if I spelled that wrong). That bill btw was written by T. Kennedy. It was the biggest Education spending bill ever. I do not support it but that blows the argument you pro big government peeps keep saying about Pres. Bush. Pres Bush also spent more on Health Care Care then any President before including Clinton.
Yes, That was before the war. Do you not forget we are at war! We have an enemy who wants to see us all walking around praying to a false demonic god named Allah 5X a day with our Women wearing Robes with all their body covered. You can forget about Strip Joints then. Even though the 911 Hijackers went to Florida Strip Joints while they were here. And you Women you can forget about any rights as you will have none and if you question a man you will be beaten and/or killed. Do you want a Country like that? I do not and I will hope for the death of all who come against the USA.
We are in deficit spending now because we are at war. We did not want this war and we did not ask for it, in the meantime you need to stop being so concerned about Teachers who buy a couple hundred dollars of supplies out of their own pocket. Here in P.B County most get about $50K a Year. Some even higher then that. Schools are being built everywhere much to my dismay as they are a waste of money.
If your a Parent and you dont know how to teach your kids then you should not be a Parent. Home Schooling takes about 3 hours a day, 4 days a week. You can do it during your off hours after work. Many Home School Programs exist where all you have to do is make sure your kids do the work and you send the Test and Quiz results in to a Home Educators Group who do all the teaching via videos and books. It is the same way they do it in Classroom Schools. Studies constanly show Home School Kids are higher educated and socially equipped well over their peers. In some Home School programs almost 90% if not more go onto a College.
As for the comment about Evolution and Creation. I like to know of both. I hold to the Creation view but I know Evolution as well. I just cannot accept that we humans come from ancestral parent being a glob of goo in the bottom of the Oceans of years ago and that somehow our Mommmy and Daddy turned into a walking fish that crept up onto land and somehow stood upright and developed a sense of Culture, Language and Government on its own. Sorry, I am not a child of some goo. (Unless you think Sperm and an Egg are such).
As for those who insult me. WTF? I did not insult you.
As for Nina who posted me being a Racist and Elitist you are way off in fact, I am quite the opposite. In fact, I would like to see White Women actively seeking Black Men to be impregnated by. Why? I think Mixed Race Kids will be the key to ending all forms of racism within just one generation. Also Nina, As for your reply to Sitri about being willing to suffer to get Kerry elected by giving what he wants, Does that also apply to others? As I would be willing to do as you want me to vote if you will also do that for me?
:o
Madcap
06-29-2004, 06:09 PM
We have an enemy who wants to see us all walking around praying to a false demonic god named Allah 5X a day with our Women wearing Robes with all their body covered.
Okay, I won't even get started on this one. Demonic? What a laugh!
Madcap
06-29-2004, 06:14 PM
As for the comment about Evolution and Creation. I like to know of both. I hold to the Creation view but I know Evolution as well. I just cannot accept that we humans come from ancestral parent being a glob of goo in the bottom of the Oceans of years ago and that somehow our Mommmy and Daddy turned into a walking fish that crept up onto land and somehow stood upright and developed a sense of Culture, Language and Government on its own. Sorry, I am not a child of some goo. (Unless you think Sperm and an Egg are such).
Considering the fact that what is excerpted above is NOTHING even remotely like current evolutionary thinking, i'll have to giggle about your knowledge of Evolution.
A question for you as far as Evolution goes... Just to see if the above was a joke (Considering you said you knew evolution)
1) What is the realationship between Humanity and the Ape, according to Evolutionary Biology? (Hint: Everyone gets this wrong)
EDIT: You don't really have to answer, but you did make the claim (and then insert foot in mouth with that babble about goo). I suggest you actually research something before arguing against it, you'll make a better case.
Casual Observer
06-29-2004, 06:31 PM
I don't think you are being a good businessman. My girlfreind was interested in your services, but now us giving you our money is laughable.
DW's not the good businessman? You're the one ignoring a potentially profitable arrangement over a political viewpoint that doesn't remotely effect the business transaction or the product/service being offered.
That's bad business.
JimLovesJazz
06-29-2004, 06:33 PM
The only reasons I can find that a person would vote for Bush is if they fall into the upper-class tax bracket and care nothing about anything else in the world but their own personal bank account. Other reasons people will vote for Bush include being against equal rights for homosexuals and want to remove womens reproductive rights and those who wanting to force their religon on every other person living in the US.
I guess everyone can tell I will not be voting for the man in Nov. LOL
VenusGoddess
06-29-2004, 08:37 PM
As for Nina who posted me being a Racist and Elitist you are way off in fact, I am quite the opposite.
umm, weren't you just saying that Islam is the worship of a demonic god? That's not racist? Then you show us how much of a mental midget you are by telling us evolution is bunk. Finally, you come up with the outrageously stupid comment about "white women actively seeking impregnation by black men" as a way of ending racism. I'm astonished that someone of your low intellect even remembers to breathe, or hasn't succumed to Darwinism yet.
ps-This is Scorpio posting, I'm just too lazy to log Venus out and log back in. ;)
Rhiannon
06-29-2004, 08:44 PM
Heh.. Hola Scorpio..
Nicely Put.
JimLovesJazz
06-29-2004, 08:45 PM
SgtJohnny your comments here make me wonder what your opinion is on sterilization of the poor? I think I know the answer but I'd rather you speak for yourself.
Madcap
06-29-2004, 08:56 PM
Since Sarge isn't answering me, Humans and Apes have no relationship other than common ancestry. Like Cousins. It's the retard media that connects them in any dumb assed way (In other words, humans do NOT come from Apes).
montythegeek
06-29-2004, 09:38 PM
As for Nina who posted me being a Racist and Elitist you are way off in fact, I am quite the opposite.
umm, weren't you just saying that Islam is the worship of a demonic god? That's not racist? Then you show us how much of a mental midget you are by telling us evolution is bunk. Finally, you come up with the outrageously stupid comment about "white women actively seeking impregnation by black men" as a way of ending racism. I'm astonished that someone of your low intellect even remembers to breathe, or hasn't succumed to Darwinism yet.
ps-This is Scorpio posting, I'm just too lazy to log Venus out and log back in. ;)
Scorpio,
The first statement you criticize is just stupid--Not Racist. A religion is not a racial atribute. It may be highly correlated with a religion in some cases but not Islam in America. Probably half the practitioners of Islam in the US are not even Arabic. A fair percentage are African-American, or Iranian, and I believe technically those from West Africa in the Morrocan area are racially considered Berbers rather than Arabs. (I am not 100% sure of this though, but persons from Turkish ancestry are not considered Arabs either). I fully concur with your disgust with the sentiment you quoted , however.
The second comment is borderline racist but as literally interpreted is not suggestive of a superiority of one race over another. Today a person from England would be considered of one race if their ancestors had lived there for a thousand years. The Anglo-Saxon designation is after all a contraction of two distinct groups at one time as well as a generous mixture of Pict, Slav, Norman, Scot, Teuton, Gaelic, etc.
Richard_Head
06-29-2004, 10:41 PM
One MAJOR reason I won't vote for Kerry is how he is flip flopping back and forth on the issues. Give me a major stand on something, I would probably give him a good look. However, every time I see him on TV I see him contradicting himself from something he said two weeks ago.
Please don't let this be a reason to vote against Kerry, all politicans flip flop on issues regardless of what Karl Rove tells you. I posted these once before and it seems appropriate again, here are some of Bush's flip flops:
Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
One MAJOR reason I won't vote for Kerry is how he is flip flopping back and forth on the issues. Give me a major stand on something, I would probably give him a good look. However, every time I see him on TV I see him contradicting himself from something he said two weeks ago.
Please don't let this be a reason to vote against Kerry, all politicans flip flop on issues regardless of what Karl Rove tells you.
Thanyou Richard! I hope anyone feeling like that will think twice be4 they vote.
seraya
06-30-2004, 06:01 AM
those from West Africa in the Morrocan area
That's North Africa hun.
Seraya.
SCGirl
06-30-2004, 11:06 AM
The Republicans have always demanded higher pay for the military,and since my hubby is in the Marines,I can't go against that.The Democrats cut military pay as a result,our health benefits suffer also.
Ok...I only read a few posts on the first page (I don't have a lot of time)....but I just wanted to add that Bush is not only cutting military pay, he's also cutting vet benefits and their family's benefits as well. Republicans demanding higher pay? HA!!! (just watch Moore's F 9/11--he mentions this very arguement)
Tigerlilly
06-30-2004, 11:35 AM
Military health benefits are fantastic, I can attest to that as having grown up with a retired officer as a father and it was a shock to me at age 21 how much health insurance can cost. But as SCGirl mentioned Bush is in fact planning on cutting pay and benefits and I don't believe that is on the Kerry agenda.
Unlike Bush, Kerry has actual experience as a soldier in war. I would much prefer to have a man in office who understands first hand what is asked of our military men and women and what life is like for them.I hope that if the misconception of what Bush plans to do in regards to the miltary pay and benifts was the only reason OnlyThe Best was planning on voting for Bush she will reconsider as her husband will be better off and safer under Kerry.
samart
06-30-2004, 05:55 PM
Tigerlilly.
I suggest you go and find some of the sites that talk to some of the vets who SERVED on the same boat as him, and see what they say. It is pretty disgusting.
Richard. Yes, every politician flip flops on issues. The ones you put down for Bush (nice cut and past by the way) were mostly all before 9/11. A lot of things changed that day with policies, and yes they did change. Does that make him a bad politician? No.
Like I said before, you have your views, I have mine (and yes I do educate myself).....so I will leave it at that :) I like to read Factcheck.org to see what is going on, and will formulate my vote from that (one of the few sites that reports FACTS, not biased opinions!)
samart
06-30-2004, 06:13 PM
Just wanted to post this as a few have said VA affairs as well as Vet benifits was one of there views in the election.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=144
Interesting read. Of course there is just as much information there that paints Kerry in a good light also.
My analaysis, were screwed no matter WHO we vote for.
Richard_Head
06-30-2004, 06:20 PM
Richard. Yes, every politician flip flops on issues. The ones you put down for Bush (nice cut and past by the way) were mostly all before 9/11. A lot of things changed that day with policies, and yes they did change. Does that make him a bad politician? No.
I'm not saying he's a bad politician, he wouldn't be President if he were a bad politician, I'm just saying all politicians flip flop on issues (including Bush) so how can you use that against Kerry but not Bush? Personally I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing either, it tells me they are open minded and flexible on the issues, which to me is a good thing.
scorpio
06-30-2004, 08:21 PM
As for Nina who posted me being a Racist and Elitist you are way off in fact, I am quite the opposite.
umm, weren't you just saying that Islam is the worship of a demonic god? That's not racist? Then you show us how much of a mental midget you are by telling us evolution is bunk. Finally, you come up with the outrageously stupid comment about "white women actively seeking impregnation by black men" as a way of ending racism. I'm astonished that someone of your low intellect even remembers to breathe, or hasn't succumed to Darwinism yet.
ps-This is Scorpio posting, I'm just too lazy to log Venus out and log back in. ;)
Scorpio,
The first statement you criticize is just stupid--Not Racist. A religion is not a racial atribute. It may be highly correlated with a religion in some cases but not Islam in America. Probably half the practitioners of Islam in the US are not even Arabic. A fair percentage are African-American, or Iranian, and I believe technically those from West Africa in the Morrocan area are racially considered Berbers rather than Arabs. (I am not 100% sure of this though, but persons from Turkish ancestry are not considered Arabs either). I fully concur with your disgust with the sentiment you quoted , however.
The second comment is borderline racist but as literally interpreted is not suggestive of a superiority of one race over another. Today a person from England would be considered of one race if their ancestors had lived there for a thousand years. The Anglo-Saxon designation is after all a contraction of two distinct groups at one time as well as a generous mixture of Pict, Slav, Norman, Scot, Teuton, Gaelic, etc.
yada yada yada...yes, technically you are right, but you are splitting hairs here.
I suggest you go and find some of the sites that talk to some of the vets who SERVED on the same boat as him, and see what they say. It is pretty disgusting.
um...no. I guess it depends if the site in question is financed by the republican machine. I just finished an article in this months Esquire that deals with what actually happened and how kerry won his silver star. They interviewed his boat mates, and they all said that if it wasn't for Kerry's leadership and his counter attack, in which he drove into an ambush and leapt on shore and personally killed a VC with a RPG, that his PBS boat would have been destroyed. I'm so sick of republicans downplaying Kerry's war record. At least he has one, and didn't have his daddy get him a cush job in the national guard and then not even show up half the time,probably because he was drunk or coked up.
samart
06-30-2004, 08:46 PM
Richard.
Mark this day on the calender. We agree :D
Richard_Head
06-30-2004, 09:31 PM
Richard.
Mark this day on the calender. We agree :D
LOL, it's marked on the calender. Just keep in mind though that I'm saying Bush is a good politician, not a good president, big difference.
sgtjohnny
07-01-2004, 09:23 PM
SgtJohnny your comments here make me wonder what your opinion is on sterilization of the poor? I think I know the answer but I'd rather you speak for yourself.
You asked for it here it is. I am against Sterilization for anyone. I think the World is underpopulated and I believe before the Flood (Noah's day) their were a lot more people alive then their are now.
Yes, their are hunger and starvation but I do not think it is because of food production shortage. It is a problem of Distribution. BTW, most of the Food Distribution Problem is because of Despots and the place to find them is almost always without exception in nations that are predominatly Moslem Nations and/or Socialist/Communist Nations. or with a lot of influence. i.e Horn of Africa, Cambodia etc. You asked for it there is my opinion.
btw, please stop the insults, if you disagree you do not need to insult me. I dont insult you.
onlythebest
07-01-2004, 09:39 PM
You have got to be kidding.You really believe the world is underpopulated?With people having 4,5,6 or more children,are you serious?I live in California and we are seriously overpopulated.My neighbors live in a two bedroom apartment and they have FIVE childern.That ridiculous!The more people the world has the more resources we use up.Another thing with the (lack of) job security nowadays,why in the hell would anyone want so many children?That's selfish!I think America should adopt(no pun intended)China's one child law.There are way too many babies per couple nowadays.
sgtjohnny
07-01-2004, 10:26 PM
Maybe in California, If they got rid of all the Social Programs like Educating Children of illegals then your population problem might lessen. I lived in Santa Ana, and so I know your thoughts on that.
They come to California because of the Welfare. Your own State a few years ago adopted a Ban of giving welfare to illegals and your State Supreme Court (Or maybe the U.S 9th Dist Court repealed it.
Most of California problems were brought by your former Governor and his allies.
onlythebest
07-01-2004, 10:44 PM
I was for the recall of Gray Davis.BUT a lot of other races are baby factories as well.My neighbors with the five children are white.I think well, the way you can lose your job in a New York second nowadys,why have so many extra mouths to feed.
LauraLove
07-01-2004, 10:59 PM
I think the World is underpopulated and I believe before the Flood (Noah's day) their were a lot more people alive then their are now.
Yes, their are hunger and starvation but I do not think it is because of food production shortage. It is a problem of Distribution. BTW, most of the Food Distribution Problem is because of Despots and the place to find them is almost always without exception in nations that are predominatly Moslem Nations and/or Socialist/Communist Nations. or with a lot of influence. i.e Horn of Africa, Cambodia etc. You asked for it there is my opinion.
OH MY ???
I have heard some unusual points of view before but your thought process takes the cake. This combined with wanting the ending of all public schools and wanting to say who can and cannot have children as well your take on the new Moore film ( which as I understand it you have not even seen ) I just don't know what to say :boggled:
Pumpkin Pie
07-02-2004, 12:18 AM
Currently, I'm leaning towards voting for Bush. My reasons are...
1) The national Libertarian Party is a joke at the moment. It has an excellent message but its internal politics and leadership have been nothing short of horrible. It keeps trying to capture the brass ring (a.k.a. the presidency) and not first work to just get one of its members in the US House. It has had some great candidates, but has never given them the support needed to be viable ones.
2) While I'm very upset about the Patriot Act, I think overall that Bush has done a good job on terrorism. He took the fight to them instead of trying to fight it on our soil. He took down two terrorist-supporting nations (Afghanistan and Iraq) and put fear into the hearts of all other terrorist-supporting nations. Libya screamed "Uncle!" for fear of being the next on the US hit list and is desperately trying to prove they're no longer in the international terrorism game. North Korea went from pounding the war drums to begging for foreign aid. Even Iran has quieted down and quickly returned captured Brit sailors for fear of being the next one on the hit list. 70% of Al Qaeda is either killed or in prison.
As for the Patriot Act, while I oppose it, I do understand why it came about. I am hoping that as America feels safe again, that it will be repealed ... or watered down so much that it is meaningless.
3) I do agree with Bush's tax cuts. Taxation is involuntary. Tax money isn't the government's money. Tax money is money taken from citizens under threat of imprisonment and even death. If you don't believe me, I dare you to not pay your taxes. I double dare you to put up resistance when they come to take away your home. Any politician that wants to raise taxes is simply advocating increased robbing the citizenry. After all, no nation in history ever taxed itself into prosperity.
4) Bush is a nice guy. Not a great reason? Perhaps, but it is one of them. He's likable. He doesn't put on airs. He isn't "Daddy's Boy" (little obedient son of Bush Sr.). He also doesn't try to hide who is he. He's presidential when he needs to be and a good old boy when off the clock.
As for why not vote for Kerry?
1) He's pro Big Government and believes tax money is government's money. If elected, he plans to increase government and take back the tax cuts.
2) He has made it a center stone of his claim for the Oval Office that whatever he does internationally will be with the blessing of all the world. Sorry, but I don't want the leader of my country to bow to others when it comes our national security. I can easily live with the French being pissed off at us.
3) He's just comes across as insincere and trying too hard to be "one of us". He talks about the plight of the average man but has never been one. Prep school, Ivy League, and billionairess for a wife. He kind of reminds me of Jimmy Carter who portrayed himself as a peanut farmer when in reality he was a nuclear physicist.
Now is the above a case of "picking the lesser of two evils"? No. I don't see Bush as evil. Then again, I don't see Kerry as evil either. I just see Bush as the better of the two men.
Now does this mean I will definitely vote for Bush? No. If the Libertarian Party can get its act together, I'll once again vote Libertarian ... as I have for over twenty years. However, due to what I've learned so far of what's currently going on in the LP, I'm not holding my breath that such will happen this election year.
Oh, and as for education and health care, I think Bush is better on these scores too. Better than Kerry, but not ideal. Bush is in favor of school vouchers which will help improve education by enabling poor parents to pick which school their child goes to thus putting bad public schools on notice that they cannot take the poor for granted anymore. Competition is good for all industries, including education. As for health care, the idea that government can run anything better and/or cheaper than private industry is only laughable. If you want to see how well government runs a monopoly that private enterprise can also provide, look at the US Post Office and its monopoly on first-class mail.
kitana
07-02-2004, 09:53 AM
Well guys, I have already said why I want Bush back in office as opposed to Kerry(Kerry is the anti-christ;) )
But I have a few opinions to share with the group if you will listen for a few.
First off, in reguards to Sgt.Jonny, dude I thought you were a crazy ass white boy before, but now my opinion has gotten to a full blown OMG are you for real?! I mean that post about $70.00 and pay pal with all the restrictions about the girls and height and weight and state; that's crazy.
But do you really mean what you are posting about Bush? Get rid of public schools completly? Do you have kids? I do and while I love them dearly; I could not stand to put up with them 24/7. I'm one of those Mom's who pray for the school year to start again!(LOL!)
What you said about the Ilamic community is WAY off base. Remember that Israel is the holy land, and it would not be called that if their God was a deamon. while I am not Isreali(i'm a mix of Cherokee, Italian, and Scottish), I am Jewish. Which we all know the founding roots of Judaic culture and religion is in Israel. No one wants to start a war with the choosen ones. (inside joke there, sorry)
Second, off I kinda have to agree with whomever said that we should impose a certain "child per couple" law, similar to the one in China. I agree that giving birth and child rearing is your God given choice, but c'mon people, this world is too overcrowded as is.
And as for the evolution theroy of yours, all I can say is WTF? WTF? WTF? WFT? And one more time; WTF? Dude seroiusly now for a sec; do you see a shrink? I maen if not you should.
What is this about "If parents are not smart enough to home-school their kids, then they shouldn't have them"? Are you insane?
When I was growing up my grandmother(rest her soul) and grandfather raised me. They didn't know anything about "new math" or much about Chemistry, or a few other topics I learned. So you are saying that they shouldn't have raised me? That they were not good parents? That I would have been better off some where else? Or that I would have been better off out of the public school system? 'Cause let me tell you buddy; I was accepted to Duke University at the ripe old age of 11yrs old, because of my public school and what they had taught me. (My parents didn't let me go, but I don't blame them now. I mean a University that size is not a place for a child.)
I do not agree that Cali should be giving welfare benefits to migrants or aliens to this country. I think that we as a nation should be more concerned with taking care of us, not everyone else all the time.
Sorry guys, that was all of my little rant there, soory if I start more flames; but I feel that a few of them are justified.
Kitana
Devastating Divyne
07-02-2004, 10:48 AM
My number one reason is that I still cling to the hope that someone will pick his ass off aka assasinate him and the nimrod vp can be president then. He can't possibly do a worse job than Bush did.
Sitri
07-02-2004, 06:23 PM
My number one reason is that I still cling to the hope that someone will pick his ass off aka assasinate him and the nimrod vp can be president then. He can't possibly do a worse job than Bush did.
I appreciate everyone's opinions, I hope this statement is more for shock value than serious. But I sincerely hope that no matter how much you disagree with someone that you would promote or condone this. The "assasination" craze from 63 through 80 with religious leaders, democrats, and republicans being shot was absolute bullshit.
LauraLove
07-02-2004, 06:36 PM
(Kerry is the anti-christ;)
he is the anti- Christ eh?
Ok, I have to hear this. Why ?
Madcap
07-02-2004, 06:37 PM
The number of the beast on his head must be a clue...
;)
hehe
LauraLove
07-02-2004, 06:56 PM
I am for Education but Public Education should be illegal.
Regarding your ideas of closing all public schools.
Being that you cannot control who has children, what do you feel should be with children born to parents who are either unable to home school or cannot afford private education.
Nothing at all or do you have something else in mind ?
Madcap
07-02-2004, 06:59 PM
Euthanasia.
LauraLove
07-02-2004, 07:10 PM
Oh please God let the answer be something other than that or work camps :yikes: