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CrescentLuna
09-13-2004, 06:17 PM
ack!! I hate the lecturers about smiling! I've gotten into the mode of smiling no matter what at the strip club, because my income depends on customers, but they do it at the grocery store or at school, drives me absolutely up the wall. >:( I got into the habit of saying "I don't really feel like smiling, my grandfather died last week." :devil:

grace
09-15-2004, 10:29 AM
It's tricky, because guys make the drink offer for different reasons, and you really have to pay attention to the signals to figure out which it is.

Some guys offer to buy a drink because they intend to get a dance, some because they have NO intention of getting one, and some are trying to make up their minds.

IMO, it's worth sitting down for at least the length of a song to figure it out, and make your pitch. I actually prefer this anyway, for some reason. It just seems more normal to me than walking up to a stranger and peeling right out of my clothes. BUT if I get the feeling that this customer is just the "lonely" kind, looking for someone to talk to, I talk for a few minutes, but try to make it (gently) obvious that he's going to have to buy some dances if he wants to keep me there. Otherwise, you can find yourself tied up forever (I'm not talking about ten minutes - more like 30 minutes to an hour) with somebody whose totally satisfied getting free psychoanalysis for the price of a drink.

CalifSCVisitor65
09-15-2004, 08:39 PM
It's tricky, because guys make the drink offer for different reasons, and you really have to pay attention to the signals to figure out which it is.

Some guys offer to buy a drink because they intend to get a dance, some because they have NO intention of getting one, and some are trying to make up their minds.



Exactly Grace well put. :yes:

I only offer a drink, if I am intending to get a dance; otherwise, I say "no thanks" politely.

goldclubbing
09-16-2004, 05:26 AM
I think how busy the club is has a lot to do with how dancers respond and how much time they'll spend talking. I've also had long conversations with dancers who have no friends there that day and are bored hanging around alone and just want to talk to someone.

Djoser
09-16-2004, 08:10 AM
When I first started to hang out in stripclubs on any regular basis, and got a clue about the real scene, I used to offer to buy a drink for dancers if I didn't want a dance, which was the vast majority of the time.

I have always been far more into the stage show anyways, even before I figured out that paying someone to grind my crotch and pretend they liked it wasn't for me--especially after I did the math and realized that I was likely customer number 1,000 in a six month period. I would instead tip lavishly, especially if the dancer merited it--and this is something I never stopped doing (unlike the vast majority of DJs I know), so long as I am flush with cash--and especially if I have worked with the dancer and been tipped well by her.

So a drink for me was like another kind of tip. But I have never been so foolish as to expect this to entitle me to any more time than if I had tipped them--which might be no time at all if they see someone they know is good for a dozen laps.

I stopped doing this after I started DJing, as it is so easy to just say politely that's what I do, and they generally give up immediately and move on. On the other hand if I have worked with the dancer, and know she likes to drink, as well as possibly her brand, I will still often get her one without even asking.

The one time I offered to buy a drink for a dancer--whom I had worked with--and she asked for the money instead, was the last time I ever offered her one. Though I certainly understood the sentiment, she knew damned well I wasn't trying to get anywhere with her or monopolize her time, so it seemed quite inappropriate--though as I recall she was desperate for money at the time.

But yes, some guys will do any and everything to get dancers to sit with them without getting dances or paying for their time. Such is the nature of the business, unfortunately.

Probably the best thing to do is accept the drink, if it is slow, sit with the guys for a bit and if another prospect shows up, thank them and say you have to get back to work. This will simultaneously make them feel special, as you were being "real" with them for a bit, and let them know that you are working and that your time is worth more than a little drink here and there.

If it is busy you could say you'd love to have a drink and socialize with them, since they seem so cool and fun to hang with, but that you do have to keep working.

Tigerlilly
09-16-2004, 09:45 AM
Glod, if a guy tells me that and I know for a fact that he is another girls reg, then I might sit and chat for a few. But if a guy says that and I don't know that he is a reg, I will say ok, hun give me a min and I'll be right back.
I usually go and get the girl and tell then guy that I am sure that he would like her company better.

But that's just how I am. I always ask if the guy has been there before and if so is he there to see someone in particular? If yes, I go get the girl. If no, I stay and chat for a few, then ask for a dance.

Kitana


I worked that way as well. And if the other dancers you work with are smart they will return the favor to you. It really is in the best interest for all involved. The customer gets what he is looking for so he is happy and spends more which is good for the dancers and the club. Plus he will likely remember you being helpful and easy going and he will usually tip you on stage in the future or even bring a buddy with him next time and suggest you for dances ;D

The dancer you help connect with the customer makes money so she is happy and should return the favor when she meets up with a customer who is interested in you or your type/look.

It can be a real win win if people don't let greed or ego get in the way. I have always suggested this kind of networking- it max's profits nicely ;)

Vanessa777
09-22-2004, 03:00 PM
In some places it is illegal to "fake" alcohol sales. At the club where I worked, the bartenders would not give you a nonalcoholic drink.

What you can do is concoct some stupid "signature" drink of low alcohol cheap wine (just a splash) and diet sprite or whatever.

GoldCoastGirl
09-22-2004, 09:00 PM
I actually had one of these types of customers the other night. He just wanted to drink and enjoy the stage shows. He didn't get the point of a lap dance. He wanted to shout me a drink however I just just explained to him that I'm not allowed to walk around with my own drink so therefore I leave it at the bar where it is safe and gets refilled when empty. I'm taken care of.. thanks for the offer.

Yet I did get his drinks for him.. he would give me $5 of the change each time. Then he would tip the dancers who he liked on stage $10... via me ;D It made me look good (as I was doing the actual tipping), gave the other people in the crowd an idea of what they would get for their tip and made him look good too.

Eventually got a $100 dance from him... and then $20 on my last stage.. then another $10 from 'drink tips' (as such).

Hmm.. so.. you can profit from just the drinkers. Offer to get their drink for them so they don't have to hunt down the waitress.. don't have to leave their comfy seat.

;D

DancerWealth
09-22-2004, 09:41 PM
In some places it is illegal to "fake" alcohol sales. At the club where I worked, the bartenders would not give you a nonalcoholic drink.

What you can do is concoct some stupid "signature" drink of low alcohol cheap wine (just a splash) and diet sprite or whatever.



How can this be illegal? If you have a code worked out with your bartender, cocktail waitress, etc., how can that be illegal? Are you positive about this, or did you just hear it through someone in the club.

NinaDaisy
09-22-2004, 10:46 PM
Eventually got a $100 dance from him... and then $20 on my last stage.. then another $10 from 'drink tips' (as such).

Hmm.. so.. you can profit from just the drinkers. Offer to get their drink for them so they don't have to hunt down the waitress.. don't have to leave their comfy seat.

;D


Yes, you can make money off those guys, but I save it for slower nights. I don't see the point in waiting two hours for guys like that to come around and make up their minds if I can work the room and get dances instead.

Katherine
10-22-2004, 12:57 AM
At my club you get a free drink for girl and guy in either the half hour of full hour vip's. I've only said this to one guy (my third night coming up) and he turned it down, but I said "Well, we can have our drinks for free in the vip room where we'll have a lot more privacy." I'm kinda hoping I'll have success with this one. I'll let you all know after tomorrow night!

goldclubbing
10-22-2004, 09:54 AM
If a dancer buys me a drink she is definitely getting huge stage tips and dances. All drink clubs should let dancers buy discounted drinks to give to customers to help them sell some time.

Eyes_of_Ice
10-25-2004, 04:57 AM
So perhaps we should just say I only drink with customers who have had a dance?

Eyes_of_Ice
10-25-2004, 04:59 AM
I would never buy a cumstomer a drink, what a cheapskate can't get his own?

GoldCoastGirl
10-26-2004, 05:32 AM
I would never buy a cumstomer a drink, what a cheapskate can't get his own?I only buy drinks for my customers not punters. Also, generally, these customers have purchased dances off me before (usually lasting longer than half hour... therefore they are kind of a regular) or else are in a dance with me that is lasting for a half hour or longer.

Punters get their own drinks.

I also generally discline drink offers usually with "I just finished my drink so I'm not needing one right now. Thank you so much for the offer." I don't find that declining a drink like I do works against me.


PS This Saturday, October 30, I'll be more than ready to accept any drinks... I'll be demanding them. Whilst I may be working, it's my birthday... I'm going to celebrate a little bit ;D

Optimist
10-26-2004, 04:14 PM
I don't drink much so I've noticed that some guys don't feel comfortable drinking alone. Maybe they don't want to feel that they are alcoholics. But I tell them I've had my antihistamine pill that night and can't take more than a few sips. They get to feel I'm being sociable and I get to bond with them as their new would-be drinking buddy. After a few swigs they're excited to dance with their new buddy!;D Also, with this type order a manly drink, some ale, bourbon, martini! This delights them. Pretend to be unable to get down a whole shot because you're such a girly girl. Score!

Bambi,RQE
11-03-2004, 06:04 PM
I agree with most of the ladies so far...I will sit and have a drink (I only drink sprite or water unless we go VIP) if I think I can sell a dance/VIP.

However: To the guest that posted earlier in this thread who thinks he is saving me money by offering me a drink instead of buying a dance, PLEASE GET A CLUE. I don't drink alcohol and even if I did, I don't get any sort of commission off of it and my other drinks are all FREE. You are not helping me. At all. You are simply wasting my time because you don't have enough money to buy a dance.

If you are a regular customer who usually spends at least - bare minimum here- a $100 on me, I will kill time and get a drink with you. I DO NOT come to work to party and drink all the time so again, YOU ARE NOT "helping" me by offering me a drink.

And as far as dating goes, yeah, maybe that guy hasn't asked every girl in the room to go out with him. Maybe he really is sweet on one particular girl. BUT when I am at the club I am a FANTASY. I am not supposed to be a real girl that you would have a real relationship with. So please do not waste my time by asking me out. I don't want to go out with you. I want to dance for you and/or go to the VIP room and entertain you.

sandi_g
11-04-2004, 02:31 PM
I give a little laugh and say, "oh babe, I still have stages to do tonight- I can't be drinking!"

susan
11-04-2004, 03:16 PM
I used to blame it on the management! I'd tell customers that the managers would get bent out of shape if they caught us spending too much time sitting on our asses and not enough time hustling and dancing. It's a DANCE club, after all!!!!

Of course (customers reading this, please cover your eyes and quit reading now)..... management could give a shit as long as I paid my tip-out and fee at the end of the evening!!!!

Desiree
11-05-2004, 02:43 PM
Some people may ask why I don't just say I'm not interested in a dance when the dancer sits down in the first place. Again, in my experience, I've found this to me too confrontational. I mean we both know why she's come over to talk to me, but many dancers will pull an "I'm insulted you think I just came over to hustle you" attitude if you cut her off before she has a chance to start hustling you. ;)


It's funny how true that is!!!

RickThunder
11-06-2004, 03:44 PM
Being an avid strip club patron for the past 23 years in Vancouver BC, I have built incredible (non-sexual) relationships with a lot of dancers. Almost always they started with me turning (politely) down a private/lap dance and offering a drink. Most dancers turn down the drink offer at first. After seeing me in the clubs on a regular basis, it seems I become some sort of a refuge for a lot of the girls and they ask if the drink offer is still open. I've had amazing discussions about everything from relationships, family, sports, money and believe it or not politics and religion. A lot of these ladies have opened up in ways that totally makes me respect them as the beautiful (mind, body and spirit) people they are. I'll save my reasons for not doing the private/lap dance thing for another post.

Katrine
11-06-2004, 05:26 PM
I hate those non-buying regulars who think they are so special because the bored girls sit with them. Some have been ok at some of the clubs I've worked. These days I avoid them like the plague. They take too much of my time, ask too many questions, and talk too long. I will stand up at the bar (not sit!) myself and have a redbull, regroup, and hit the spenders again....

Someone who is a LD potential can buy me the drink. I also have no problem sitting around if paid for my time, and that does happen on occasion......

I'm sure you have a great reason for not buying dances....what is it, and why do you feel the need to hang out at a stripclub if you aren't buying? You're in BC, I hope you at least tip the stage dancers.........

RickThunder
11-06-2004, 09:43 PM
I hate those non-buying regulars who think they are so special because the bored girls sit with them.
Ouch!!
It looks like I've stirred up the ire within Katrine and whoever else, this was not my intention.
You (Katrine and all exotic dancers throughout the world) are or should be in control of your own destiny. If you decide to accept a drink and sit with me, you know before hand what you'll get or not get. The girls in the Vancouver area know this of me and THEY choose to sit, go for lunch or dinner with me.
Peace!

noelle
11-06-2004, 10:31 PM
Well, they might think when they first meet you that after you finish your drink you will get some dances (unless you tell them before the drink that you don't buy dances, of course). I find that its extremely rare that someone buys me a drink and does not want a dance at my club.

I personally think it is rude to go to a club and not buy dances or tip the dancers onstage. A drink is nice, but it's really not enough just to buy drinks, even if it does benefit the girls in some way (for example, in my club, the amount of drinks that we get lowers our stage fee). I mean, we could get in argument about whether a guy has the right to just sit in a club all night not buying dances or tipping, but it's been done.

Still, I am curious as to your reasons for not buying dances.

CrescentLuna
11-07-2004, 02:33 AM
Or paying girls for their time, I've had that happen a few times, is all good [except at my evil club for fostering a wannadance environment by fining girls for sitting with regulars instead of selling dances] - whatever, as long as you know the only reason those girls are there is to make money, and therefore are providing them with some form of income - whether by lowering their stage fee [as it was at gold club, by buying drinks] or tipping stage or just handing them money.

officegangsta
11-12-2004, 01:25 AM
"how about instead of buying me a drink, you treat yourself to a dance" I think that's brilliant. Short and sweet, it reminds the guy what the club is there for (fantasy, not actual hooking up), and also puts the focus back on his desire (a good time) in a non-threatening way ("treat yourself... go on, you're worth it, live a little..."). Really smart.

jumblies
12-15-2004, 07:15 PM
Some great ideas here, I'm sure to try them myself!

I recently had a customer offer to buy me a drink--which we must accept, though not necessarily finish--only to say JUST AFTER it arrived, "Just let me say now that I appreciate you having a drink with me, but I'm really not interested in a dance. I won't waste any more of your time, so if you want to go and work the room I'll understand." With that, he tipped me $10. Now, the drink he bought cost $7.25, the cheapest drink we offer. If he had told me before ordering that he wasn't interested in a dance, I could have explained that he was less than $3.00 away from a dance, and HE'D get to enjoy it! What's more, as I finished my drink and excused myself, he tipped me another $5! He'd be AHEAD of the game if he bought a dance! I can only think he was someone's regular, and a dance was not an option yet he knows how the system works. Ah, well, can't complain. :)

Oh, and the "isn't this a dating service?" type, ;) , I simply reply, "You're very sweet, and I thank you for your offer, but I must decline." If they push it, I keep replying, "I thank you for your offer, but I must decline." :)