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Deogol
07-02-2004, 10:32 PM
Interestingly, it wasn't all that long ago in history that it was typical for a 20+ and much higher year old male to marry a 14 year old female.


Heh heh... they also burned witches then too.

Deogol
07-02-2004, 10:50 PM
It doesn't look like this boy was arguing about it!!! Do I even have to get into the argument about how it's "impossible" for a woman to rape a man? A male teacher threating a female student is MUCH different than a female teacher threatening a male student. As far as I know, in all the cases I've heard about, these male students were willing participants. Do you know how many women each year are physically and sexually ASSULTED by teachers and other figures of authority?!

Add to add....if a fucking HOT male teacher wanted to do me at age 14, I would have been fucking thrilled! And, like this stupid boy, I would have bragged my ass off about it!

The feminist in ME is scared of YOU!


I am reading mixed messages in this.

If the boys are "groomed" they will be just as willing as a "groomed" girl. As I understand it Pedo's go after a certain kind of kid, the insecure kind and the one with a certain personality type. In the end, both genders were played for the satisfaction of the molester.

There are rape cases where women have become "wet" and even orgasmed from a rape. This left them really fucked up in the head over a natural reaction of the body.

What I am saying is that while it might have felt good for the kid, I bet he is a mental and emotional mess right now. Just being 14 is a hard age. I know I would never want to relive my teen years.

Women can rape men and have raped men.

Rape is a head fuck as much as it is a physical interaction.

SCGirl
07-03-2004, 01:23 AM
:banghead: Nevermind....I give up

07-03-2004, 02:35 AM
Heh heh... they also burned witches then too.

Only if they floated.

Jay Zeno
07-03-2004, 07:54 AM
I really don't get it. Were you actually saying that we should treat this the same as a case with a male teacher? Becuase it's not the same and no one can deny that (feminist or not). Feminists do not believe that men and women are the SAME--because they aren't--they just believe in equality.

There's an argument that the laws should be applied equally, or the same. It would appear that argument doesn't carry much weight in certain cases.




I guess my point is that it scares me that you think "understanding" these people (male or female) "disgusts" you. Or is that not what you meant?


Not what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I meant that most people would consider a 24-year-old guy humping with a 14-year-old girl as disgusting.

My point then being, when the gender tables are turned, the disgust factor decreases quite a bit. To me, that's interesting and noteworthy.

*****

Just pondering, and no answer is needed. Food for thought:

24-yo teacher seduces a 14-yo student. Student brags about it to friends, is happy it happened. Relationship is discovered. What's appropriate punishment for the teacher, given that the student doesn't seem to be emotionally scarred?

24-yo teacher seduces a 14-yo student. Student suffers depression, guilt. Relationship is discovered. Student undergoes therapy, family and friends are concerned that the student won't be able to form good relationships. What's appropriate punishment for the teacher, given that the student does seem to be emotionally scarred?

Should the effect on the student play any part in how the teacher is punished? (Does the potential effect even matter to the teacher in this case? I suspect not.)

We haven't identified the gender of student or teacher. Substitute male-female, female-male, female-female, male-male. Should that make a difference?

It can be a confusing world.

Silverback
07-03-2004, 09:55 AM
I'm suprised Pamela hasn't come up in this thread. She not only had sex with the 15 year old/student, but manipulated he and his friends into killing her husband.




PAMELA SMART • Inmate

Name at birth: Pamela Wojas
In 1991 Pamela Smart was sentenced to life in prison for plotting the May 1990 murder of her husband, Gregory Smart. The most publicized murder case in New Hampshire history, the trial was televised and gained national attention because of its lurid details: Smart, the 22 year-old media services director at Winnacunnet High School in Hampton, had convinced William "Billy" Flynn, her 15 year-old lover, to murder her husband. Flynn and three accomplices killed Gregory Smart in his home "execution-style" and tried to make it look like a botched robbery. When the police discovered Pamela's love affair with Flynn, they turned their attention to the ambitious young newlywed. Eventually Flynn, Patrick Randall, and Vince Lattime, Jr. struck a deal with prosecutors in January and agreed to testify that Smart had masterminded the plot. Also used against her at trial were incriminating recordings made secretly by the police with the help of Cecelia Pierce, a high school student who had interned with Smart. On television Smart came across as pretty and poised -- but to many she seemed a little too poised, and the tabloids dubbed her "Ice Princess." The young men were all sentenced to long jail terms for their part in the crime and Smart was convicted in March 1991 and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole. The story was made into a TV movie starring Helen Hunt and was the basis for the Gus Van Sant film To Die For (1995, starring Nicole Kidman). Smart, who maintains that she is innocent, is serving her sentence in a New York prison.

SCGirl
07-03-2004, 10:33 AM
24-yo teacher seduces a 14-yo student. Student brags about it to friends, is happy it happened. Relationship is discovered. What's appropriate punishment for the teacher, given that the student doesn't seem to be emotionally scarred?

24-yo teacher seduces a 14-yo student. Student suffers depression, guilt. Relationship is discovered. Student undergoes therapy, family and friends are concerned that the student won't be able to form good relationships. What's appropriate punishment for the teacher, given that the student does seem to be emotionally scarred?

Should the effect on the student play any part in how the teacher is punished? (Does the potential effect even matter to the teacher in this case? I suspect not.)

We haven't identified the gender of student or teacher. Substitute male-female, female-male, female-female, male-male. Should that make a difference?

It can be a confusing world.


I think that the punishment for the teacher should be the same. Whether they forced the child or not, their intentions are extremely similar, if not the same. As mentioned before, consent doesn't make a difference in statutory rape cases. They had sex with a minor. Period. And the punishment should be the same for men AND women, regardless (why would it be any different?--different motives doesn't imply different punishment--just look at murder cases). Students who DON'T seem to be affected, also need counseling. Again, as I have mentioned before, I was reading an article about a girl having an affair with her coach. She kept saying she was in love with him, he was in love with her, all that stuff. But she went to counseling and dealt with some underlying issues. It helped her to realize that the relationship was wrong, why it was wrong, and how to make better decisions int he future. So even if a child isn't traumatized, it can still have a major impact on the rest of his/her life.

But, you're right, in the eyes of the law, all the situations are equal regardless of gender. The only differences are in motivations and emotion outcomes for the most part. Those are to be handled on an INDIVIDUAL basis in therapy.

Thanks for clarifying Jay, I should have asked before ranting. I'm sorry.

Tiff_7_17
07-03-2004, 12:41 PM
When I was 16 I had a 23 year old boyfriend...we are still really good friends to this day...is that as bad? I mean, he wasn't my teacher which would make it a thousand times worse, but the only reason we broke up was because he relocated for a job...for all i know we could have still been together...so not that i'm condoning what this crazy woman did in any way, but sometimes the age thing doesn't matter AS much. The fact that she was his middle school teacher does of course, and i find that situation quite gross. At my school, the 26 year old married with two kids guitar teacher was banging a talented saxophone player all throughout her grade 11 and 12 year...everyone knew but no one had enough proof. I mean, come on, they even carpooled to school together! She came back from a year exchange in germany after she graduated, normally someone would go home and see their family...or hit up the bars with their friends and catch up...what does she do? She hovers around the bandroom for a week, "jamming" with the teacher....EEEEEEEEW

Kali_Skye
07-03-2004, 12:55 PM
Actually, I believe the age of consent in most U.S. states is 16, not 18. There is an exeption though when it comes to authority figures, like doctors, teachers, police officers, etc.

Jay Zeno
07-03-2004, 03:22 PM
SCgirl, no worries. It's the job of the communicator to get the point across clearly, which I obviously failed to do. Then we got it cleared up. Worked out nice. :)