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Casual Observer
07-08-2004, 03:45 PM
Interesting, I imagine there are a lot of guys (self included) that aren't comfortable with the idea of going into a brothel (even if it was legal) and are content with some "fun and fantasy" as you put it.

The plus to these guys is that at a strip club, you get a feel for the connection with a girl, though clearly that can be a completely artificial construct of the dancer if she's a talented actress. Walking into a brothel (and to a lesser extent, calling an escort, either agency-based or an independent contractor) doesn't give you that same feel. That's what I hear, anyway. ;)

Two cents.

foxee555
07-08-2004, 03:46 PM
Brothels aka "massage parlors" outnumber stripclubs 10 to 1 in Guam (where I work and live). And I find that it keeps alot of bullshit out of the stripclubs. Most of the guys out here either know (or find out very quickly) where to get the cheap no hassle services, so they either don't go to SC's at all or they top off their night at the massage parlor after the club. So, I think it's a good thing. I for one do not look down on prostitutes. However, if they were rendering their services in my club where our private rooms are just that (room with door. no window. no panic button. no camera) and my clientle is primarily intoxicated military men or japanese, you might see where safety would become very questionable for non-prostitutes.

While I can see how it would be nice for an escort to pick and choose who they render their services to via meeting potential clients in a stripclub, it is incredibly selfish and short sited to the myriad of repurcussions it can impose for her in-club coleagues(sp?). I don't give a damn about competition or cops (though those are great points of contingency). I do give a damn about being poked like a blow up doll or worse yet getting the shit beat out of me by a drunk marine because he's under the impression that a "good private show" is gonna entail a suck off and getting pissed when I don't provide because that's the impression he may have gotten from a prostitute/"dancer".
So while it may make that girls escorting easier and safer, she chose to be in an illegal trade. So she's the one who should have to deal with the repercussions of her job, not me.

FBR
07-08-2004, 04:23 PM
Wrong. I already stated why I dislike them so -- because they put everyone else at risk. I like many others define extras as things like BJ's, HJ's FS ( which are indeed acts of prostitution)

TL, Ive always gotten the impression that you view anything beyond an air dance as extras. I stand corrected. I agree that HJ etc in a club where thats not the norm is risky for all parties. I personally dont have a problem with it but I dont generally participate.




If their activities cut into my money, I wasn't aware of it and neither is my bank account ;D BTW- I am retired and odds are will never need to work every again and I'm not quite 30 so I guess that blows your theory FBR ;)

I didnt go back and re-read the hundreds of posts on the subject but it seems to me that most dancers object to the extras because they cut into their money. So you didnt blow my theory IMO. Apparently, you are one hell of a dancer if you have been able to make enough to retire at 30 in spite of all the improper extras behavior going on around you. Hell, Im 50+, have made over $200K a year for a long time and still cant retire. I either need to reign in my spending on strippers, sell all my toys or get a better financial advisor! Im envious ;D




As for calling them whores, that's what they are -- it's one of several words that describe their profession and I have heard plenty of them call themselves that as well so I really don't see what is wrong with it. And yes I know people have called me that because I danced so save it .

Would you be more comfortable if I used one of those sugar coated in denial terms like "Provider" ::)

If I was worried about comfort, I wouldnt post on the Pink Site. Im not exactly Mr Popular here ;D Whores, hookers, providers...whatever...its just a name. I just took your use of the word as derrogatory to those involved rather than just a matter of fact statement.





its pretty much a requirement to avoid certain topics and march in lock step with the majority of the dancers "public" opinions. Just review the posts and see who the "popular" guys are. How do you spell suckup?

And ofcourse none of that goes on on the the Junkie/Blue site. You guys are just so accepting to upscale club customers who aren't into the highest mileage they can get, right ? Give me a break
:bump:


I actually spent a while thinking about this portion of your post. I could only come up with three true Raincoaters that post on the Blue Site. The rest of us, sadly, are flirting with PL/RIL/Sucker all the time. Its a tough battle. We love dancer T&A and often still think with the little head when it comes to SS...and out comes the wallet. You should be happy that we exist ;D How the hell else could you comfortably retire at 30 ;) And we do welcome women posters with the possible exception of someone like VD.

I only threw the comment out because Wwander seemed so tentative in his post. Obviously, he was concerned about stepping on toes. And he was right to be wary. The only guys who do well here are those that kiss ass, pretending they are not like...OMG...a strip club customer :o I just find the dishonesty annoying.

OK Im done (that may be literal since you guys are armed with the Ignore feature LOL) Truth be known, TL, I actually enjoy reading your posts. I disagree a lot of the time but you are fun to read.

Enjoy your retirement Moneybags ;D

FBR

Wwanderer
07-08-2004, 04:35 PM
you get a feel for the connection with a girl, though clearly that can be a completely artificial construct of the dancer if she's a talented actress. Walking into a brothel (and to a lesser extent, calling an escort, either agency-based or an independent contractor) doesn't give you that same feel.

That's exactly backwards imo and experience. The public room(s) of classic brothels are there for the specific purpose of allowing you to get to know the ladies, develop a feeling of "connection"...and yes it is often a construct of a talented actress...before you make your selection and take her off to one of the bedrooms for the play-for-pay. The atmosphere in such places can often resemble that in a strip club, though without the dancing of course. There is music, drink, scantily clad women flirting and hustling etc. (This is not a description of a typical low profile, illegal massage parlor to be sure.) It is the agency or indie call girl that you do not know at all until she walks through the door typically, at least on your first "date" with her.

In effect the dancer I met in Seattle was using the strip club to serve some of the functions of a brothel public room...functions which are otherwise difficult to manage in other venues of prostitution in this country.

-Ww

Tigerlilly
07-08-2004, 04:39 PM
FBR- I suppose I should make it clear that I worked another job (low paying-less than 30 grand a year) most of the time I danced and also that I didn't have to compete with extras in the SAME clubs I worked (that I am aware of anyway) but rather worked for years in a city known for common extras. I'm sure it would have cut into my earnings if I worked in an extras club and didn't provide them as well. Also I am living at a comfortable level with my investments but not a true luxury lifestyle. I made enough for me to do what I wanted and got out. I'm not greedy and thought I should let others have a shot at the big spenders-- LOL!

I live pretty frugally and was lucky to have made some good real estate investments. I made close to 80 G's grand when I sold my first home and then I moved out to BFE-- you can get alot for your money in BFE ;) Now this area is growing and we might sell again in a few years. My point in mentioning all this is it is possible to do well in this business without extras or escorting or even contact but you have to know what your doing investment wise and know who your customer base is to begin with -- escorts working in stripclubs put people like me at risk, not something we appreciate. And totally unecsarry for them to conduct their business.

FBR
07-08-2004, 05:43 PM
TL, I own two commercial building that my company occupies. Approximate worth $1.2 million. Im planning when I sell my biz in about 10 yrs to work rental into the overall purchase package. If I can work in 6 or 7K per month rent into the deal plus the ROI on my investments I should be OK. Doesnt leave much room for stripper play money but by then I will be too old to care ;D ;)

Thanks for replying. I know at least, for now, you dont have me on Ignore LOL

Cya

FBR

Tigerlilly
07-08-2004, 05:56 PM
See FBR I bet you could retire if you wanted, but would you be willing to live off less than 30 grand a year ? That's all my investments yeild us. I drive a 10 year old car, don't have any debt and well don't have the need for "toys" my animals, faimly and internet time are plenty of fun for me !

Also my husband still works so we can send our daughter to college ( we don't plan on having anymore kids either) and not have to dip into the investments I made as time goes by. We couldn't just live off my investments for the rest of our lives but we can afford for me not to work anymore ;)

It all boils down to what you are willing to settle for -- lots of people wouldn't be happy living the way we do but it works for us !

Casual Observer
07-08-2004, 06:00 PM
See FBR I bet you could retire if you wanted, but would you be willing to live off less than 30 grand a year ?

That&#039;s probably FBR&#039;s stripper allowance for a year. :D <S>

Women are too expensive a hobby to permit early retirement for most of us.

Tigerlilly
07-08-2004, 06:05 PM
That&#039;s probably FBR&#039;s stripper allowance for a year. :D

Women are too expensive a hobby to permit early retirement for most of us.


LOL ! That&#039;s what I was thinking too ! Well FBR are we close ? And I&#039;m willing to bet that he put more than 1 kid through college too, that makes early retirement all but impossible :-\

Well that&#039;s it for me today- have a nice night everyone :cheers:

FBR
07-08-2004, 06:23 PM
CO LOL You got that right ::)

Ive put 2 thru college with a third starting in the fall. Hes my youngest thank god.

TL, even if I ditched my stripper and private party money, I dont think I could live on $30K. Id have to sell the Escalade and Harley, along with my vaca home in Florida. If I did that Id be just like all the other old fuckers rocking on their front porch wearing too short shorts, black knee socks and wierd shoes. I refuse to accept that image of myself LOL

FBR

VenusGoddess
07-08-2004, 07:15 PM
I wonder how many gals on the board have handed out contact information to a customer, either in oral or written form, regardless of what intent there was in giving that information out.

The last time I visited a club on an out of town trip, I apparently made a good enough impression on a gal for her to give me her cell # (maybe it was the $30 tip).
:thinking:



For $30 she gave you a phone number? I&#039;ve had men spend $1000 on me and I STILL won&#039;t give them my phone number. Want to know if I am working a particular night? Call the club. Not only is it illegal in Chicago (Illinois?) to give any personal information out (considered intent to prostitute), but WHY would I want some clingy customer calling me at all days/hours to "find out if I&#039;m working".

No amount of money is worth any sacrifice of my personal life and time.

FBR
07-08-2004, 07:47 PM
VG you can only get away with such bullshit posts because you are so gorgeous ;D.

FBR

VenusGoddess
07-08-2004, 07:53 PM
Bullshit posts? What don&#039;t you believe?

BTW...thanks for the compliment!!

Pamela
07-08-2004, 07:55 PM
Bottom line is customers will always come back. If they want an escort they know where to find them. No shortage of customers because of escorts. ;D

And not ALL guys go to strip clubs to pick up a dancer or for an extra, that is BS!

Pamela

The_Oceans
07-10-2004, 09:36 AM
For $30 she gave you a phone number? I&#039;ve had men spend $1000 on me and I STILL won&#039;t give them my phone number. Want to know if I am working a particular night? Call the club. Not only is it illegal in Chicago (Illinois?) to give any personal information out (considered intent to prostitute), but WHY would I want some clingy customer calling me at all days/hours to "find out if I&#039;m working".

No amount of money is worth any sacrifice of my personal life and time.


I think doc-catfish meant that he tipped her $30 over the price of dances (correct me if I&#039;m wrong). I personally have asked for, or been offered contact information a) only if I want to see the dancer again in the club; and b) only for professional purposes. I won&#039;t call her back for non-professional purposes unless she allows me to.

My main point: most of the clubs I&#039;ve been to do not give out dancer schedules, because they don&#039;t want you in the club to just see your ATF, they want you to see "the whole show." For example, if you call the club and ask if VenusGoddess is working, and are told she isn&#039;t, they&#039;re afraid you won&#039;t come in at all. So it becomes a case where if you want to establish a working relationship with a particular dancer, you *have* to have some way to communicate it (by trading phone #s, emails, etc.).

doc-catfish
07-10-2004, 10:11 AM
For $30 she gave you a phone number? I&#039;ve had men spend $1000 on me and I STILL won&#039;t give them my phone number. Want to know if I am working a particular night? Call the club.

If I recall the experience correctly, seven $10 dances + $30 tip = $100. (I think I bought her a beer too). Hey, stuff is cheaper out here in flyover country, including most of the customers.
;)


Not only is it illegal in Chicago (Illinois?) to give any personal information out (considered intent to prostitute), but WHY would I want some clingy customer calling me at all days/hours to "find out if I&#039;m working".

She brought up the idea, not me. I in fact told her that it wasn&#039;t neccesary, then jokingly told her that she should have business cards made when she scrambled to find a pen and paper. She stated that she couldn&#039;t make cards because handing them out would be illegal.

Then she found a matchbook and gave me her number anyway. Go figure.
::)

Again, whatever her intent was on doing that, I have absolutely no intention of calling her. But I&#039;ll admit the gesture was kind of cute.


No amount of money is worth any sacrifice of my personal life and time.

I respect that and wish more dancers shared your view. (Check these forums for "sugar daddy" threads and the like to see what I mean). I&#039;m sure a lot of gals on this board however, have handed out a cell number or e-mail address to a customer or two for completely professional reasons. Apparently they think the risk is worth the reward.

Gynger
07-10-2004, 08:29 PM
Oh I will give out a number.. the number to the club... they can deal with the manager&#039;s when they call.

Diva
07-10-2004, 11:13 PM
An escort/dancer may indeed create a negative impact on the earnings potential of other dancers who have chosen not to provide the same after hours action or extras inside the club. But this fact pales in comparison to the potential risk of cops being led to the club due to the escort/dancer&#039;s activities, with the potential outcome of bogus busts for other dancers.

I&#039;ve been there, done that, and it cost me nearly 10 grand in legal fees, unreimbursed travel expenses and lost work to finally clear my name and avoid being saddled with a bogus misdemeanor prostitution charge simply because I was present when other girls were doing extras and local cops chose to bust everybody and let the judge sort it out.

Some other girls who were also just dancing, but who did not have the ready cash to retain a good criminal attorney and bankroll an appeal of the bogus bust, wound up taking a plea bargain, paying a $500 fine, but also having a sexually related misdemeanor lewd conduct conviction on their permanent records. That record of conviction will prevent them from obtaining dancers&#039; licenses in cities that require them, and may also affect any attempts later in life for these girls to be hired for decent straight jobs. IMHO this was a hell of a high price to pay because a couple of dancer/escorts were also working out of the same club.



Oh my god, this is just awfull, had no idea this could happen to girls who are just dancers who don&#039;t do extras. For this reason I won&#039;t go in a private room with girls who does extras even thou I&#039;m not. Some girls completely avoid private rooms just to have a clear name. It&#039;s unfortunate that other dancers had to pay for escorts actions.... Hope this never happen in NY cause there&#039;s always some girls willing to do extras in all the clubs I&#039;ve worked in and host/managers pimping them. Sometimes I would see 10 girls approved by manager/host get dressed in street clothes and leave the club with customers!....

Lexi
07-11-2004, 08:21 AM
Fascinating Topic with the usual gamut of responses
from the Absolutists to the "Live & let live" types.
I personally know 3 dancers who on occassion hook
up with regulars OUTSIDE the club for an hr. or 2 of
compensated heavy breathing. They do NOT do
"sextras" inside the club which IMPO is how it should be.
They ONLY deal with regulars that they&#039;ve known for
a long time. IF, and only IF a dancer/escort could
keep her "arrangements" on the same kind of
cautious and careful basis, her fellow dancers have
nothing to fear because nothing illegal is happening
INSIDE the club. They have a lot more to righteously
worry about from fellow dancers providing "sextras".

Assuming that the woman in question is keeping
quiet and being discrete AND exercising caution and care
I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s anyone else&#039;s business what she
does OUTSIDE the club. Simply because the club
where she works is a place of "assignation" does NOT
create anything remotely resembling probable cause
or reasonable suspicion of illegal activity.

Careful LEXI- you and I both KNOW dancers who do
this on occassion AND we both know a few gals who
used to work at Ultima. It hasn&#039;t affected you or any
other GGR dancer one bit; not in any way.




Oh I know what your saying about Ultima, though I dont have a clue about the ones who do anything else on occasion. ???
Either way, you&#039;re right....it hasnt affected my money in that case, Im only saying that if there was a brothel next door, like polecat mentioned. I think it would cause a strain on the clubs and girls who dont work at the brothel.
But like I said to each their own... if a woman wants to do things, let it be outside the club. I dont care what anyone does outside the club, but inside is different. Not only is it harder for others to make money, but the fact its illegal puts others at risk.
( and no im not talking about this happening at my club; im stating in general)

Lexi
07-11-2004, 08:25 AM
ultimately looking for extras?


I wouldn&#039;t care if I worked next to a brothel. As long as there is a defined line of what goes on where. For fun and fantasy, you come to me at the stripclub. For sex you go next door. We don&#039;t co-mingle them and if you work next door at the brothel, you don&#039;t dance at the club.


This is a good point.... if the brothel was next door, and it didnt bother either businesses then I&#039;d say go for it, but I would hate if I constantly got the "why dont you work next door? I&#039;d pay top dollar" :rotfl: Thatst the only thing that would bug me.

Melonie
07-11-2004, 04:13 PM
Oh my god, this is just awfull, had no idea this could happen to girls who are just dancers who don&#039;t do extras. For this reason I won&#039;t go in a private room with girls who does extras even thou I&#039;m not. Some girls completely avoid private rooms just to have a clear name. It&#039;s unfortunate that other dancers had to pay for escorts actions.

IMHO the actual risk boils down to the motivation behind the bust, whether or not city hall is looking for a big splash in local newspapers, whether or not local cops want to be assholes, and whether or not the jury who winds up hearing your case is comprised of open-minded people versus housewives, bible thumpers, civil service employees etc who have already been led to believe the Hollywood stereotype that all exotic dancers are lying, thieving, drug addicted whores. Ultimately when it comes down to the word of a cop versus the word of a dancer, in the absence of hard evidence (like club security tapes) the cops word will be taken every time !

polecat
07-12-2004, 12:48 AM
Thanks ladies for continuing to prove these topics can be hit head-on and provided with clear, level-headed discussion. SW really does have quite a few exceptional thinkers here and I&#039;m always impressed!

My example was pretty much how SF works today- with several known &#039;sex clubs&#039; within proximity of actual stripclubs, but for law reasons they masquerade as stripclubs. Of course, this causes quite a bit of confusion for tourists unfamiliar with this dynamic making random stripclub visits over the span of their stay. LOL. Walking into club A and immediately getting "Would you like a dance?" then the next night walking into club B and immediately getting "Wanna #@&!?"

I think everyone agrees that there are different kinds of SC customers- some that would most definately prefer more than dances, some that strictly seek dances/hostess.. and others that fit somewhere in between and can go either way. The source of debate seems to stem from one&#039;s perception of the ratio of these customers, and I&#039;m absolutely certain there is no wrong answer here since it likely varies by region and local factors.

Unfortunately, even if you created the perfect/Utopian world- where every region has a perfect ratio of customer spending for all sex industry services, decriminalized prostitution, and stripclubs/sexclub/brothel division, I don&#039;t see the issue being solved. Even in decrim or locales like SF, a great deal of dancer crossover still occurs. There are still dancers that belong in the sexclubs trying to work this angle in the stripclubs... and there will always be customers that belong in the sexclubs trying to work this angle in the stripclubs to accomodate them. It just seems to be human nature to try and beat the system, create uneven competition or work outside of the &#039;rules&#039;... regardless.

The original post in this thread I feel is a perfect example of this- and my opinion is- I don&#039;t see this sort of thing ending no matter what happens.. be it brothels, sex clubs, decriminalized prostitution or whathaveyou.

Melonie
07-12-2004, 02:20 AM
I don&#039;t see this sort of thing ending no matter what happens.. be it brothels, sex clubs, decriminalized prostitution or whathaveyou

I&#039;m in complete agreement, and I&#039;d argue that they are on the increase. However, in most of the USA at least, I don&#039;t see it happening legally. In fact, I envision more and more instances of the anti-dance club ordinance scenario. By this I mean that a city will enact an ordinance which makes it a misdemeanor crime for a dancer to be in contact with a club customer. This is guaranteed to reduce club and dancer earnings potential. But if it is also a misdemeanor crime for a girl to perform an outright sex act in exchange for money, then some dancers will figure out that they have absolutely nothing additional at risk by giving HJ&#039;s BJ&#039;s even FS versus giving a customer a lap dance, but much to gain in the way of income.

Isis
07-12-2004, 10:01 AM
This is a good point.... if the brothel was next door, and it didnt bother either businesses then I&#039;d say go for it, but I would hate if I constantly got the "why dont you work next door? I&#039;d pay top dollar" :rotfl: Thatst the only thing that would bug me.


Dont we already get a version of this ? How many times have u been asked for sex and when told the guy no he starts whining about how it make it worth ur while ::)

The_Kid
07-12-2004, 11:57 AM
Melonie- In the "real world", depending where you are,
if it&#039;s JUST the cop&#039;s word against the dancer&#039;s WITHOUT more- such a case would probably not
survive a motion to dismiss BUT ( and this is the big
"BUT" a lot of cops & prosecutors count on) it usually
requires a lot of time and money for the dancer to successfully fight off the charge. It&#039;s often easier &
less expensive to plead to a lesser charge & get off
with a fine.

The credibility of police in a number of jurisdictions is
less than optimal BUT it would take a "rare bird" of
a dancer to publicly fight it out with a jury trial.

I must repeat what I&#039;ve often said: it&#039;s safer and easier
for EVERYONE to keep sexual encounters QUIET,
DISCREET and OUTSIDE the club.BUT when I started
going to strip clubs there was NO CONTACT period! At
most it was nothing more than inserting a dollar
into a dancer&#039;s garter. Then in some places dancers
started using their breasts to take tips. Once,
the VIP rooms started with private, or at least semi-
private accomodations; THAT&#039;s when "mileage", contact, extras and "sextras" started to become more
commonplace.

NOW ! I can make an argument that the dancers in
some S.Fla. clubs are COMPETING with the local
escorts because they&#039;re offering the same services
at lower prices. Same thing in San Fran.

Time was, girls who worked go-go/bikini looked
down their noses at girls who danced topless and
both looked at nude dancers as just a notch above
escorts. Well, I don&#039;t have my finger on the pulse of
the rest of the country but in the Tri-State area most
of the "lines" that used to exist have been effectively
blurred. It&#039;s all about the "Benjamins" for a lot of dancers now. I&#039;m sure that the "booming Bush" economy is one factor but primarily IMO it&#039;s the
degradation of "STANDARDS" by both dancers AND
club-owners. Before there&#039;s too much hyperventilation
caused by the last sentence- I KNOW that many of
the dancers who read this bd. have maintained THEIRS
which is fine. BUT, how many of these same dancers
have SEEN activity that was clearly "over the line"
(esspecially at higher end clubs) and done nothing ?
We all know it happens quite often - go along to get
along; don&#039;t make waves; just keep your own room neat and tidy- yada yada etc. etc. Personally, I don&#039;t
know what the answer is. It seems to me that the
genie has been out of the bottle for too long now
to do much of anything except watch your own back.

miabella
07-12-2004, 01:09 PM
i think it&#039;s that sliding scale thing that people are missing when they say &#039;sextras don&#039;t affect MY money&#039;. it doesn&#039;t affect one&#039;s money directly, necessarily, but it does in the long run, in a lot of tiny little ways that eventually add up to reduced income. customers that might have restrained the impulse to grab or fondle or lick some body part on a dancer are emboldened by the sextras girls turning up in larger numbers in all types of clubs. stress over going to work builds up and you find yourself taking weeks off when you used to take days off. women working in high-contact cities commute to lower contact cities, racking up travel expense and logistical hassles just to avoid dealing with constant high-contact expectations. and being unable to say anything or do anything about it all one way or another (except for holding to one&#039;s own personal limits and rules) can also create a sense of frustration and helplessness that can make earning money even harder.

nobody posting to this board can honestly say that making $500 or $1000 in a single night is as &#039;easy&#039; (low/no contact, or stage only) as it was even a handful of years ago. and that means this whole extras issue does affect money. however, it&#039;s not anything that can be fixed at this point, so about all that&#039;s left is to get in, hope you get hired somewhere high-volume/upscale, make some money fast and get out. which is really kind of depressing, because the idea of erotic dance as entertainment is a really beautiful one and it&#039;s too bad men are so fixed on the reality that they don&#039;t wish to experience the fantasy nearly as much as in the past.

Lexi
07-12-2004, 06:30 PM
This is a good point.... if the brothel was next door, and it didnt bother either businesses then I&#039;d say go for it, but I would hate if I constantly got the "why dont you work next door? I&#039;d pay top dollar" :rotfl: Thatst the only thing that would bug me.


Dont we already get a version of this ? How many times have u been asked for sex and when told the guy no he starts whining about how it make it worth ur while ::)



Oh yes, I know what your saying. I already get it now, but what I was saying was, imagine if next door there was a place? They would constantly say, "you&#039;d make more money next door" etc... ugh it never ends.

Madcap
07-12-2004, 06:35 PM
This is a good point.... if the brothel was next door, and it didnt bother either businesses then I&#039;d say go for it, but I would hate if I constantly got the "why dont you work next door? I&#039;d pay top dollar" :rotfl: Thatst the only thing that would bug me.


Dont we already get a version of this ? How many times have u been asked for sex and when told the guy no he starts whining about how it make it worth ur while ::)



Oh yes, I know what your saying. I already get it now, but what I was saying was, imagine if next door there was a place? They would constantly say, "you&#039;d make more money next door" etc... ugh it never ends.


I&#039;d buy that for a dollar. ;D

hehe

Wwanderer
07-27-2004, 11:28 AM
There are still dancers that belong in the sexclubs trying to work this angle in the stripclubs... and there will always be customers that belong in the sexclubs trying to work this angle in the stripclubs to accomodate them. It just seems to be human nature to try and beat the system, create uneven competition or work outside of the &#039;rules&#039;... regardless.

I definitely agree; there is a very real human urge to find a way to "beat the system", and in many contexts (unrelated to commercial sex) it is a good thing too.

In any case, I know (online) guys who are devoted to finding dancers who will sell them sex, ideally dancers who will not do so for most or any other customers, and who are willing to devote vast amounts of their time, energy and money to the pursuit of such encounters with dancers who are "semi-pros". When asked why they don&#039;t just go to a "regular" prostitute instead, they usually reply along the lines that they enjoy the challenge and uncertainty of the quest and/or that it is "too easy" to buy sex from a woman who sells it to "all comers" on a routine basis. One guy memorably compared it to the lack of excitement in fishing in a "stocked pond".

-Ww

JadeBrooklyn
07-27-2004, 06:36 PM
been one, and the other, and both at once. money is money and you do what you need to and what you feel comfy with to survive. america isnt all stripes and stars and purple heart heroes. There are the abandoned teens that stay clear of drugs but need cash. then you have your crack wh*res. you have unfortunates and bad eggs in every country, society and religion. we all put pants on one leg at a time.

Tigerlilly
07-27-2004, 07:10 PM
Whatever it takes to earn money at others legal risk and expense eh -- a person who sells sex in or from a club is involving unwilling participants in their illegal quest for cash. That is what I and many others have a serious problem with-it has been explained numerous times now how this kind of thing puts others at risk. Only a person who cares nothing for anyone other than themselves sells sex in or through a club.

If a woman wants to sell her body in that way there are other avenues she can choose that limit the risks to only herself and her john. I think most of us who oppose in club extras and using clubs to find johns have NO problem with those women nor with legal prostitutes in NV.

It&#039;s only the hookers (and customers) who couldn&#039;t care less about the dancer working next to them to support her kids or college degree, etc., and who would possibly lose their child, have scholarships removed, be forevermore denied work permits (as one of my friends have happen to her when all dancers were arrested in a sweep because of a few dirtbags) even though they themselves were working legally.

And for what -- so a hooker can earn a couple of extra dollars and a customer can have his "good time" ?

Sorry, but anyone selling or buying sex/extras IN or through a club is scum of the earth. People wanting to sell or buy sex need to do it through the proper channels- i.e., escort agency or independently on private websites, streetwalking or legal brothels.

noelle
07-27-2004, 09:33 PM
You said exactly what I would have, Tigerlilly. Excellent points.