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AinNY
08-04-2004, 08:08 AM
whoaa...so we're eating nuts now?

and yes...I've encountered some vicious squirrels. On my campus, its not uncommon to see someone being chased over the greens by a raging squirrel. Maybe the squirrel wants to eat his nuts....


YES....those things are the devil....they are like satan's little soldiers of evil...i dont trust those furry little fuckers....they look like they are always planning something.

Be careful with your nuts :-\

Casual Observer
08-04-2004, 08:35 AM
But I find that most women (not all) respond to emotion first, thinking second.

This is the fundamental crux of the matter; what women respond to emotionally is radically different than what they believe they respond to intellectually. One of these things is instinctual and reflexive, one is cognitive and socialized. This is why lots of women ask (read here: intellectually rationalize) for the boilerplate nice, sensitive guy with borderline effeminate tendencies, but are actually attracted to and pursue the aggressive, dominant males that they ostensibly don't want when, again, they rationalize intellectually about what they're supposed to want as higher-developed females of the late 20th/early 21st century.

In other news, squirrels are bad rodents. Eradication is the answer. Poisoned almond paste works excellent, for those looking for a good solution. The little bastards are territorial, so once you hook them on food, they'll stick around--which is the problem. But if you feed them poison, they and their buddies will eat until they die. Live by the sword, die by the sword. :D

Darren
08-04-2004, 08:52 AM
But I find that most women (not all) respond to emotion first, thinking second.

This is the fundamental crux of the matter; what women respond to emotionally is radically different than what they believe they respond to intellectually. One of these things is instinctual and reflexive, one is cognitive and socialized. This is why lots of women ask (read here: intellectually rationalize) for the boilerplate nice, sensitive guy with borderline effeminate tendencies, but are actually attracted to and pursue the aggressive, dominant males that they ostensibly don't want when, again, they rationalize intellectually about what they're supposed to want as higher-developed females of the late 20th/early 21st century.


Yea, that is why I keep saying, read "The Blank Slate : The Modern Denial of Human Nature" by Steven Pinker. There is a big chasm between the modern intellectual world we live in, and the millions of years of genetic training that preceeded it.

wasfatboy
08-04-2004, 11:42 AM
does it really matter any more? most guys nice or not only last 5 minutes or less anyway and most women find that ok!

wfb

sadbuttrue
08-04-2004, 02:16 PM
Yes.

>>>Sad<<<
:D

MojoJojo
08-04-2004, 02:55 PM
Nice guys often don&#039;t have the confidence to succeed.....yet they need those successes in order to gain the confidence they need to approach someone. Yet, I found someone...once I reached an age where the confidence could grow on its own....and the female pool was filled with women who had gone through so many So it would seem that the "nice guys" of the world are condemned to wait until they grow old enough to develop their own confidence, and wait for women who have had crappy enough relationships that they are able to see the nice guys.

Honestly.....too many of us have experienced the situation where we will decide to actually try....we will build the confidence within us to finally TRY....then you go up....to the pretty girl in the room....and you stumble...you stammer....you feel you would rather die than to ask...but you have to give it a shot...then you ask her....and she looks at you like you&#039;re a freak... turns to her friends....everyone laughs.... "Who does he think he is?"

Deogol
08-04-2004, 05:52 PM
I don&#039;t agree. Meek guys may not have the confidence to succeed, but I know plenty of nice guys who have had plenty of success in their lives except for women.

Gynger
08-04-2004, 06:44 PM
whoaa...so we&#039;re eating nuts now?

and yes...I&#039;ve encountered some vicious squirrels. On my campus, its not uncommon to see someone being chased over the greens by a raging squirrel. Maybe the squirrel wants to eat his nuts....


Next thing you know, nice guys will be peeing in the shower...


(sorry.. couldn&#039;t help it!)

A_Guy
08-04-2004, 06:45 PM
Oh well… don’t fret “nice guys�… trying to pick up a girl in a club? Not going to happen. Bars/clubs are typically not the places to look for long term relationships – one night flings, yeah maybe, but that’s not going to happen for the less forward, respectful types. Alas, there are other locales to locate your lucky lady longingly looking for love.

I say don’t fret because, the assholes may get the quantity, but we get the quality. That’s quality in the relationship itself, and quality in the sex! Yeah, that’s right, sex!

You know who is the best at pleasing women? Nerds, dorks, geeks, nice guys, losers, etc. Why? Because having sex is like getting a meal at a high security prison. When your lucky enough to get it, you eat it likes its your last meal … everytime, because there is no guarantee when you’ll get it again… There’s always some asshole right around the corner ready and willing to steal it from under your nose. That’s right, we do our research and we’re trained by the world’s best and brightest - internet, video, magazines, books, kama sutras, Porno kings, etc.… we know it all – and we’ve got it down to an elaborate science. We’re the Newton of Nipples, the Vinci of Vaginas, the Copernicus of Cunnilingus, the Hawking of Hinies, the Kepler of Kink. We know how to please right down to the A&#039;s, B&#039;s and G&#039;s. We’ve gotta work to get it, and dammit, work we will!

:3dglasses:

MojoJojo
08-04-2004, 06:59 PM
Next thing you know, nice guys will be peeing in the shower...

GYNGER...I thought of you in the shower the other morning! Well...I often think of you in the shower....but I digress. Anyway....I was showering and had to pee....so I peed! And while I was peeing I grabbed my glovies....you know...those spiffy coarse washcloth gloves? Yeah...those! SO....just as I finish peeing....I DROP MY DAMN GLOVES! <blink> Shit...(no, I didn&#039;t do that)...I mean... damn!

Deogol
08-04-2004, 07:08 PM
Next thing you know, nice guys will be peeing in the shower...

GYNGER...I thought of you in the shower the other morning! Well...I often think of you in the shower....but I digress. Anyway....I was showering and had to pee....so I peed! And while I was peeing I grabbed my glovies....you know...those spiffy coarse washcloth gloves? Yeah...those! SO....just as I finish peeing....I DROP MY DAMN GLOVES! <blink> Shit...(no, I didn&#039;t do that)...I mean... damn!


TO MUCH INFORMATION!!!! :eek:

Ti Amo
08-04-2004, 07:41 PM
If you ask me... YES, nice guys finish last! (but that&#039;s just my personal preference). I need an asshole that pushes my buttons and makes me chase him, otherwise I get bored (sad but true, I&#039;ve had some long relationships with great guys, but I just dont end up seeing myself with them in the end). But I have a sarcastic personality that happens to enjoy twisted mind games (strange I know).

My best friend on the other hand, is the exact opposite... nice guys get furthest with her. She loves the type of guy you can classify as a "sweetie"(yes guys, we do use words like that to refer to you).

Point I&#039;m trying to make>>> it&#039;s all relative.

Hottie7268
08-04-2004, 07:41 PM
Jesus H! If nice guys don&#039;t want to finish last, then they gotta stop whining about the bad guys gettin it first and STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!! FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

Sorry, just tired of hearing this complaint so much..... :-\

Madcap
08-04-2004, 10:02 PM
Jesus H! If nice guys don&#039;t want to finish last, then they gotta stop whining about the bad guys gettin it first and STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!! FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

Sorry, just tired of hearing this complaint so much..... :-\


Oh, GOD, how fucking true is that statement!!!!!! ALL OF IT!!

I get SO sick of whiners!

EDIT: One thing that always irritates me is that the supposed "nice guy" in question is usually talking about SEX!!! If they are so nice, why is SEX first and foremost. Ladies, myself being a guy I hear the angles of this stupid argument that you just don&#039;t usually hear.

Deogol
08-05-2004, 06:00 AM
Jesus H! If nice guys don&#039;t want to finish last, then they gotta stop whining about the bad guys gettin it first and STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!! FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

Sorry, just tired of hearing this complaint so much..... :-\


Don&#039;t worry, they do. Right around 26 or 27 they turn into what women want them to be... assholes.

Madcap
08-05-2004, 12:02 PM
Untrue. You either have it in you or you do not. I dislike blanket statements.

Hottie7268
08-05-2004, 12:18 PM
Untrue. You either have it in you or you do not. I dislike blanket statements.


I&#039;m with you Madcap!

AinNY
08-05-2004, 12:20 PM
i can freely admit I "dont have it" ;D

Hottie7268
08-05-2004, 12:26 PM
i can freely admit I "dont have it" ;D


No baby, you have it.....you just haven&#039;t figured out how to use it ;)

Hottie7268
08-05-2004, 12:27 PM
But if you want I can teach you ;D

Madcap
08-05-2004, 12:29 PM
Tease.

Hottie7268
08-05-2004, 12:31 PM
Tease.


You like it ;)

Darren
08-05-2004, 12:35 PM
But if you want I can teach you ;D


the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.

the guy you want to be... will go for it

Madcap
08-05-2004, 12:37 PM
But if you want I can teach you ;D


the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.

the guy you want to be... will go for it



What about someone who does all that and then goes for it?

AinNY
08-05-2004, 12:44 PM
the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.


THATS ME :&#039;( (but i&#039;d probably say maam note "mame"...i dont want to mame anyone)





the guy you want to be... will go for it



the guy who wants to be?

Darren
08-05-2004, 12:51 PM
But if you want I can teach you ;D


the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.

the guy you want to be... will go for it



What about someone who does all that and then goes for it?


I am thinking those type of guys are fictious ... by the time they figure out what they are going to say and just how to say it, she will have already found a new BF (&#039;awe.... if you only you had called me sooner ... I can&#039;t now. I am seeing this really great guy now. He is in a heavy metal rock band called "Mother Fuckers". He is so sweet!&#039;)

Trix
08-05-2004, 12:55 PM
Ain has it....He just needs to smile and the girls melt. (well...i do...LOL)

;)

Darren
08-05-2004, 12:58 PM
the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.


THATS ME :&#039;( (but i&#039;d probably say maam note "mame"...i dont want to mame anyone)



ah, yea, "maam" - that is what I meant to say. I was never good at old western speak :)




the guy who wants to be?



If you want to be the guy getting the girl... lose the mr. nice guy habits, and let that real-guy come out. You will find that you are still a pretty nice guy, but a hell of a lot more interesting to women.

p.s. and take hotty up on her offer :)

A_Guy
08-05-2004, 12:59 PM
Ain has it....He just needs to smile and the girls melt.

Not just girls!

HELP!! I&#039;m melllltttiiinnnnnggg!!


:P

Trix
08-05-2004, 01:02 PM
LOL...

you have a great smile too AG :D

Hottie7268
08-05-2004, 01:02 PM
the nice guy will respond to this offer with "awe schucks mame", look at his feet, kick a few pebbles, and get red in the face.


THATS ME :&#039;( (but i&#039;d probably say maam note "mame"...i dont want to mame anyone)



ah, yea, "maam" - that is what I meant to say. I was never good at old western speak :)




the guy who wants to be?



If you want to be the guy getting the girl... lose the mr. nice guy habits, and let that real-guy come out. You will find that you are still a pretty nice guy, but a hell of a lot more interesting to women.

p.s. and take hotty up on her offer :)







Thank you Darren! Keep drilling that into his head! Maybe I&#039;ll get lucky :crossfingers:

Katrine
08-05-2004, 01:11 PM
You guys think being nice is listening to your women complain and helping her work out her feelings after a bad day. Wrong that’s what she has girl friends for. Being a good man starts with being there for the big stuff, protecting her making her feel safe know matter what. Making sure she knows you’re her man and you will be their know matter what happens or what anyone says.

And to me it just sounds like most of you just want someone to want you. If you want to have a women lust after you just give her plenty of those orgasms where her legs can’t stop shacking after. That’s so biological. Who can resist someone that gives a better orgasm than you can give your self?

This individual stated it best. The guys we continue to lust after are the ones that we know will take care of the little gal down there when we see them. Sometimes it helps to build up anticipation, hence a bit of drama.

A bad boy won&#039;t call for weeks, but when he does, you can be guaranteed that within the first five minutes of seeing him, you&#039;ll have your ass in the air, and he&#039;ll be down there taking care of business for an hour. THEN.....he&#039;ll flip you over and mercilessly take care of business for another hour or so.

I&#039;ve never slept with a "nice guy" who was any good in the sack. But I have slept with nice, kind, considerate men who were decent in the sack. But the bad boys always win, hands down. They have lots of willing women to practice on....

Why did this talk of bad boys make me horny? I&#039;m supposed to be vacuuming...DAMN!

Madcap
08-05-2004, 01:19 PM
Honesty is always a breath of fresh air. Thanks Kat.

Casual Observer
08-05-2004, 01:30 PM
A bad boy won&#039;t call for weeks, but when he does, you can be guaranteed that within the first five minutes of seeing him, you&#039;ll have your ass in the air, and he&#039;ll be down there taking care of business for an hour. THEN.....he&#039;ll flip you over and mercilessly take care of business for another hour or so.

Truth.

A_Guy
08-05-2004, 01:33 PM
LOL...

you have a great smile too AG :D


awwwwww... thanks! And I just got back from a cleaning too!

Rhiannon
08-05-2004, 01:36 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh AG! LOL

:scared:

As for me, I like the nice guys. But there&#039;s a fine line between nice and major pushover. I can&#039;t stand the latter. Dated one of those, he was a total "yes" guy. Lasted for about a month. Blah..

Darren
08-05-2004, 02:12 PM
Honesty is always a breath of fresh air. Thanks Kat.


Yea, thanks Kat ... Love the straight shooting.

Katrine
08-05-2004, 02:50 PM
Yeah, but its NOT A GOOD THING. It would be better to be in self-denial. Instead, I have this perfectly great man who is nice but not a vag. Still, I can&#039;t stop fantasizing about some asshole who I knew for a week who didn&#039;t even treat me very well. WHY? Because he gave me 3 terrific orgasms, and I didn&#039;t even have to use my freaking hand!

Dammit, its not cool. I wish that I was perfectly happy with a nice guy. :(

AinNY
08-05-2004, 04:28 PM
If you want to be the guy getting the girl... lose the mr. nice guy habits, and let that real-guy come out. You will find that you are still a pretty nice guy, but a hell of a lot more interesting to women.


The "real-guy" IS out...thats the real me...and maybe thats not enough "man" for some girls...but Im not changing who I am to pick up women.

Im happy with the MAN that I am....maybe i dont flaunt it....maybe not everyone can see that...but its ok...I know who I am and Im pretty happy with it. Sure maybe most women wont give me a chance to find out who I am b/c of what they pre-concieve I am....thats ok with me too.

AinNY
08-05-2004, 04:32 PM
This individual stated it best. The guys we continue to lust after are the ones that we know will take care of the little gal down there when we see them. Sometimes it helps to build up anticipation, hence a bit of drama.

A bad boy won&#039;t call for weeks, but when he does, you can be guaranteed that within the first five minutes of seeing him, you&#039;ll have your ass in the air, and he&#039;ll be down there taking care of business for an hour. THEN.....he&#039;ll flip you over and mercilessly take care of business for another hour or so.

I&#039;ve never slept with a "nice guy" who was any good in the sack. But I have slept with nice, kind, considerate men who were decent in the sack. But the bad boys always win, hands down. They have lots of willing women to practice on....

Why did this talk of bad boys make me horny? I&#039;m supposed to be vacuuming...DAMN!


Kat I just dont think you met the right guy...lol

What do orgasms have to do with anything? Im not going to get into it, b/c everyone will just say "bullshit". But if orgasms defined how many girls I got....i would be getting girls left and right. Theres more to life than orgasms(not much...but a little more) ;)

AinNY
08-05-2004, 04:33 PM
Ain has it....He just needs to smile and the girls melt. (well...i do...LOL)

;)


And the guys :P

How do you think I got Sandy and AG so easily ;D

A_Guy
08-05-2004, 07:14 PM
How do you think I got Sandy and AG so easily ;D


That was because of the money.. however, the smile didn&#039;t hurt

AinNY
08-05-2004, 07:19 PM
damn you guys are cheap

2 dollars sure does go a long way i guess :-\

A_Guy
08-05-2004, 07:26 PM
damn you guys are cheap

2 dollars sure does go a long way i guess :-\


like I said... the smile didn&#039;t hurt :afro:

Jay Zeno
08-05-2004, 07:55 PM
Do Nice Guys Finish Last?

Well, the question has been answered to my satisfaction:

Yes.
No.
Depends.
Maybe.
Sometimes.
Sometimes not.

kitana
08-06-2004, 01:10 AM
In my opinion ........maybe.

I say that because both guys have appeal for me.

The bad boys &#039;cause they are bad, they are they ones mom warned you about. They represent what you aren&#039;t supposta have, they are raw and rough and dirty. Not anything for a proper lady. Think the movie Grease. I mean hell some of the sex symbols of the time are bad boys! James Dean, Elvis, most rock stars... Noone wants the stuff that they won&#039;t get in trouble for. They all want the stuff that makes them tingle at the thought of doing something they could get in trouble for.
I remember my 1st offical boyfriend, I was 14 and he was 16 and had an old 1968 Cougar. I would get home from school, and he would show up like 10 min later. I would call Dad at work to tell him I was home and then I would take off. We would ride around for hours and nothing would really happen(a few make out sessions). But the thrill was there, &#039;cause Mom and Dad didn&#039;t really like him. It was exciting and fresh and new, I never knew what would happen. That&#039;s the whole lure of a Bad Boy.

A Nice Guy on the other hand is just that. Someone respectable, polite, considerate, and wholesome. Think Leave it to Beaver. You know what to expect, the thrill is not there in the same excitement catergory as the bad boys. I dated one of these guys in High School too. It lasted around a month or so. It got to the point where Mom and Dad liked him, so what was the thrill in that? But in their defense, nice guys are usually stable, have a house, car, bank account, job, good credit, no police record, never served jail time, and usually will show you more love than a woman could know. But because of the "pizzaz" factor they are never given the chance.

I will tell you as a woman what I want in a man(this list may differ from woman to woman). And what I ultimatly found in my husband.

I found a man who was a little rough around the edges, one who cared about his looks but was not vain or arrogant. I found a man who can be a bad boy, a guy who knows that to keep me he had to never let thing get boring. He is the kind of man that will let me cry on his shoulder if I need it but not expect me to. He is the man that still says I am the most striking thing he has ever seen, even if I just woke up from surgery(yes he did say it) I want a man that will wrestle on the floor with me if I need to vent. He is the man who will tell me when I am wrong or out of line after I have made the mistake. He&#039;s the guy who has hobbies that could kill him (rock climbing, skateboarding, surfing, motocross, racing cars, sky diving, ect...), but he also the guy that I can discuss great works of poetry and writings with. A guy I can go the the museum with and have a dinner at a five star resturant, and he can oprder in French, Hebrew, or latin if need be.
He&#039;s the kind of man that will defend the things he loves with heart, soul, fists, and guns if need be; but he&#039;s also the man that cried this past Wed. when we dropped off our youngest child at school for her 1st day of kindergarden. He is the man that I have dreamed of prayed for and hoped to have. He is also the man that I thank God every day I do still have, and the man I still can&#039;t figure out how I was lucky enough to get, not to mention keep. He is a Renassance Man, and a prime example to men what they should all strive to be. He is my husband and I love him. And he loves me, and that is what we all want in men. Totally not to mention he&#039;s "da&#039; bomb" in bed! OMG!!!!!

(girls have you ever had a guy make you body tingle? All over for like 30 min afterwards? And say well honey that was awesome forplay, now can I make love to you until you have at least 3 multiples?) I&#039;m a lucky girl!

I hope that cleared things up a little! Probably not though, basically we want a guy who&#039;s the best of both of them, a bad boy but not an America&#039;s Most Wanted bad boy, and we want a nice guy, but not Opie Taylor either.
A fluid mix of both is the key to our, ahem hearts?

Kitana

Madcap
08-06-2004, 01:23 AM
There&#039;s a difference between &#039;nice&#039; and &#039;lame.&#039;

When a &#039;nice&#039; guy whines, I tend to ask him why he never took his shot. When i get the "i &#039;m scared" or the "I have no confidence" line, i write them off. There is no helping those who will not help themselves.

Take your fucking shot, guys. If you are nervous, suck it up. Holding up the wall will never get you noticed. Not ever.

asian_slacker
08-06-2004, 01:25 AM
In Romance- a thread on here got me thinking of strategies men use to pursue women, and the kind of man a woman chooses to be with. I prefer the nice guy because my dad is a nice guy and yeah, most women go for someone who reminds them of their dad. Ironically, my stripping job has branded me as a "bad girl," so a lot of the sweet guys I date try to steer me away from my work. Tough situation.
In Life- all the jerkiest people I know have excelled in their chosen fields, but I have seen some people who racked up bad karma get it kicked back to them three or four- fold. So they end up back where they started or further behind.



Nice guys don&#039;t always finish last per se but on average I think it is true that they tend to finish lower. Due to the survival of the fittest mentality that our society runs on.

On the topic of bad karma, I feel that is totally overrated. Some "bad" people live a long wonderful luxurious life before passing on. While some "nice" people get done in by these bad people and sometimes suffer a earlier death at the hands of these bad people.

Life is unfair so sometimes bad things happen from good intentions and vice versa, good things happen from bad intentions.

kitana
08-06-2004, 01:27 AM
So true Asian, but remember the bad guys will be reincarnated as a dung beetle in the next life! While the nice guy will be a hero.

Kitana

Madcap
08-06-2004, 01:35 AM
So what do nice guys have to do, then?

Look, i consider myself a nice guy. I&#039;m not perfect, but i respect women. Hell i get along with women ten times more than i get along with guys. I can be one charming mofo when i want to be, i&#039;ve had some HOT girlfriends. So i&#039;m not terribly in need of advice, but there are some here that might need it (lestat1, for instance, though he threatened a friend of mine with finding her IP and thus where she was so i&#039;m not sure how &#039;nice&#039; he is).

Lets think constructively, we can all benefit from it.