View Full Version : Customers Being Cheap
Sherrill, I dont remember seeing you post before but Im old and forgetful. Welcome to SW and thanks for the post.
FBR
audreyhepburn
08-28-2004, 12:40 PM
It can work like that at my club if you are in the room and then the tip for your time or every half hour. I make men run to the mac if they have to or just run their card for the tip. But I don't want the club to know what I make all the time. They are very greedy about that.
I have done that also but it's not lke that for me now. It's all about the gettting that room, making that lap dance turn into 10 rooms and a $1000 tip.
I personally have only hit the ATM once at a club (it was my first experience at an all nude club in Tampa and I got caught up in the moment). Audrey sounds like you have the plan on making big big money.
FBR
NinaDaisy
08-28-2004, 04:05 PM
Actually, I have had some interesting conversations with these so called "Cheap guys" and several of them have actually come in again and spent money on me just for chatting a bit with them. I was surprised that they actually remembered me but I was also flattered.
For example, one of them didn't have any desire to get a lap dance as several girls had asked him for one and he was already ready with that automated response of "no" when i came up and just said hi.
He was very nice though, well dressed and easy to talk to. We hit it off after a couple of moments of awkward silence. He said that it was his first time so I told him a little about the club and helped him get a little comfortable with the surroundings. He tipped me a few times on stage and then left. He came back three days later and said that he was ready to try a lap dance.
I was more than happy to give him one.
He said that i didn't act like a typical stripper-whatever that meant- and that I seemed to be down to earth.
Well actually I am down to earth, I like to talk and meet new people.
Sometimes I think I talk too much which is kind of a flaw I have.
I know I'm there to make money, but the way that I think of it is that I have a better chance to make more money if the guy that I am with is actually having a good time with me whether it be talking, dancing, or watching my stage performance. In any case, I like making my job fun.
Another time was there was an older man who seemed kind of grouchy, but lonely at the same time. These are the kind of guys that are hard to deal with but none the less they want attention they're just either too proud or too afraid to ask for it. He was having a hard time opening his water bottle-cause he had shaky hands- so I offered to open it for him.
He kind of loosened up and we started chatting about the weather. That led to a $40 stage tip and six nude dances. And now when he comes in, he always asks for me. It's kind of funny how things sometimes turn out :)
Don't get me wrong, I can't get all those kind of guys all the time, I don't expect to, but just those few guys that I can make happy, makes all the difference in the world.
Sorry for babbling LOL! See talking too much IS my flaw.
Anyway, my point is that sometimes those "cheap guys" can become paying customers.
This was my MO. I always approached the guys that seemed "lonely" or "cheap"...cashed in big time every time. Sometimes, the girls are so focused on selling dances, they forget to sell their TIME. I made almost $800 off of one guy just by keeping him company...never danced for him...never had to rub his shoulders or any thing else....just kept a very interesting conversation going...and he enjoyed that more than any dances...
That's why a girl who will sit down and chat for a while will always make more than the girl who walks around saying "Dance? Dance? Dance?" (reminds me of the seagulls in Finding Nemo...lol).
Where talking for too long to someone who's not compensating you for your time is not a good idea...it's always a good idea to break the ice...laugh a bit and then ask for a dance. :D
I've never had a guy in five years just pay me for my time unless it was in a Champagne room. VG, did the guy you were talking about just drop the $800 into your lap? Or did he feed you bills throughout your time? It seems nowadays that there are so many guys that come into the clubs looking for a girlfriend that they almost get offended sometimes when you bring up a dance or CR. I'm definitely not a "wanna dance" girl, but if after about 2 songs worth of chat they guy's not biting at my pitch, I'm out.
I've seen too many dancers just sit with the same guy for free all night, perhaps hoping he'll get dances or a CR later that night, and then be drunk but barely able to tip out. Guys just "pay to sit" so little nowadays I just can't take the chance, especially if there's a club full of guys. Beauty and charm is being phased out in favor of mileage and extras in many places. Luckily I can still make pretty good money most shifts, but I keep saying that this business is on the decline. It might plateau for a while, but it's not gonna get better, regardless of who wins the presidential election in Nov or any of the other excuses some dancers make about why their earnings keep getting progressively worse every year.
FONDL
09-03-2004, 09:28 AM
Nina, I agree that clubs are on the decline. There are a lot of reasons but I think 2 major ones are: (1) companies have really tightened up on expense accounts, (2) and the Internet has made other competing forms of adult entertainment much more readily available. Today's clubs and dancers have to work a lot harder to make good money than they used to, and many aren't making the effort. Clubs are also taking a bigger cut to make up for declining business and dancers are getting squeezed. And that's not going to change any time soon, in fact it'll probably get worse. I personally think a lot of clubs would do better if they lowered prices, some clubs are just too expensive for the type of customer that they need attract.
NinaDaisy
09-06-2004, 12:50 AM
I personally think a lot of clubs would do better if they lowered prices, some clubs are just too expensive for the type of customer that they need attract.
Strip clubs are a luxury item. Yes, there are clubs that could lower their prices, but it's likely that the better dancers will hightail it to clubs where prices are somewhat higher but withing the reach of still many people.
A club like PEC, with their VIP rooms costing into the thousands per hour is at the upper extreme. But I think the majority of clubs that offer $20 dances are reasonable.
There will be guys that come into the SC and all they can afford is, say, two dances. That's fine. But standards shouldn't be lowered across the board too much, especially in clubs that are already doing well.
MojoJojo
09-06-2004, 11:55 AM
That's fine. But standards shouldn't be lowered across the board too much, especially in clubs that are already doing well.
As much as I would like to see some of the better places provide prices that I can regularly afford, I do realize it's business. Why charge $5 when you have enough people willing to spend $50?
kitana
09-07-2004, 04:20 PM
Ok guys (FBR and Jay) feel free to modify this post in anyway you feel fit.
With that said, Audry I think you are a spoiled little brat!
I am not sure how long you have been dancing, or why you still are with that nasty assed attidude. But let me tell ya something sista. If you came up in my club with that attidude towards the men, you would either 1.) be begging to borrow money to pay house. or 2.) get your ass kicked for stepping on girls toes.
Why are you even still dancing if you HATE this business? I mean I just gather that from your siggy line alone, not to mention your posts.
I think there are guys out there who are just out to see some free T&A, but for the most part these men spend what they can when they can. I for one appreciate every single dollar I get. That's just one more dollar I didn't have earlier.
I understand most guys don't or can't make the potential income that we as a group make in a day (night). I try to respect every man that comes to my SC, (unless of course they have offended me 1st).
And after almost 10yrs of dancing I have things to show for it. I have a house I bought 3 yrs ago that will be paid off in another 5yrs (on a 30yr morgage), I have 2 cars and a mini van, and a motorcycle. Not to mention all the other junk in the house (t.v., dvd, ps2, pc, ect...). And I send 3 kids and my husband to school too.
My point is, everyone in their live will be down and out once in a while. I don't hate people for not giving me as much money as I want. I just hope that when they get a little more they will spent a little on me too. And I hope that they will remember my kindness later on.
Anyway, I have alot more things to say; but I have to compose it a little better 1st.
Kitana
Silverback
09-07-2004, 07:15 PM
My heros have always been Kitanas. :)
tarball
09-08-2004, 06:29 AM
It was two girls like audrey that ruined one of my last trips to Vegas and I am NOT a rookie. I was told there would be one dance with two girls in the VIP room and was quoted some reasonable price. The DJ segs the songs such that no real perceptable break exists and I ask about it and am told "same song."
At one point these vipers get up and claim:
1) that'll be 5 songs for both of us
2) at my protestation, they point out the ATM (okay, I've been had)
3) I am heckled the entire time I make my way to the ATM with threats that the bouncer will take me into the back room and work me over - he was standing near by
4) I ask for a manager, the bouncer calls one, and by the time manager gets there, the girls are gone.
My tough luck for being a tourist, etc. but these [women] had the same attitude towards me that audrey does and I say to hell with them. Get the hell out of this business and scam elsewhere. I will not likely go to another factory/warehouse club in vegas again over this.
What is my point? Outright abusers and scammers with audrey's attitude generally ruin a business for the rest of the scrupulous women. I am not a walking ATM and you do not have a right to my money because you are showing your body. You negotiate to act as a private contractor of sorts with your club and your means for hustling business is that you do your time on the stage and show your stuff - that is the whole game. Now, if you want the additional income of the individual dance, you will have to earn that. If you scam or are otherwise unethical towards your customer - fine, but that will not work out for you in the long run.
Please tell us where you work, audrey, such that any potential customers who frequent this board (and the countless other sites that are similar) can be well aware of your "take these cheap no-good breathing ATMs for all their stupidity" attitude and create a wide berth.
Starfire
09-09-2004, 11:00 AM
wow this is a very interesting thread. I think cheap is pretty relative. The main club that I work at has no cover, 2 dollar domestic beers, and the girls do not get tipped on stage. We dance for two songs and try hard to put on a good show, then we walk around the bar and collect our tips afterwards. All the dancers that I work with would definitely never try to hustle newbie customers, drunk men or out of towners...we just want to get tipped for our dancing! So....I think it's really cheap when a man comes in and watches and doesn't even tip a dollar....but by the same token, if everyone at the bar tips me at least a dollar I'm not complaining about it...I guess there is a lot to say about "cheapness" in strip clubs and I hope I worded all of that right.
SeppeSai
09-13-2004, 05:11 AM
I think after you've seen your share of hot, naked women, it gets kinda boring and the novelty wears off if you don't get to have sex with them.
Call me crazy, but I never once had the idea in my mind, be it while I'm in the club or at home, of sexual contact with the girls. They're dancers, not prostitutes.
If I ever get bored of seeing hot naked chicks, irrespective of whether or not I can score with them, someone please kill me.
Immediately.
Thank you.
I've had this happen to me at my regular club. My favorite girls were busy with other guys and I wasn't interested in the rest. It doesn't help that the music wasn't super great, either.
As for the poll, I didn't vote for anything. I've always had the idea in my mind that whatever happens on stage happens. I've been known to tip a few dollars based on what kind of purse the girl has or if she has a different hairstyle than one I've seen previously. Would I be considered cheap by Audrey's standards? Certainly. Is it fair? No.
Also, there have been instances where the girls just don't interest me at all. It doesn't matter what the reasons are, it just is. By Audrey's standards, I would be considered cheap because I don't tip even though the girls are working. I think not.
NinaDaisy
09-13-2004, 05:21 AM
you do not have a right to my money because you are showing your body
Perhaps, but I may be entitled to some of it when you are GAWKING at my body and therefore doing part of my job. ::)
poriland4
09-13-2004, 09:49 AM
Clubs on the decline, maybe, its up to the ladies.....
I think AIDS, cost of living, education, and the net have reduced the no. of reg. customers.
The amount of money you paid a dancer in a SC is relative to how much it costs for full pleasure at a MP.
I think $40 a lap dance is too much.... most of the population dont have that amount of money to spend on fantasies. The new generations are more cost concientious. Nowadays, a lot of strippers walk around looking at you like "who is this freak?" A lot of bad attitude. Oh yeah! Girls, you are in the sex industry, it does not sound pretty but thats what you are, sex providers. For the money I will spend in a SC I can hire a nice house maid and paid her extra to do the chores in bikini("Si patron, mande"). So, thats why the business is going down. Attitude. Dont think yourself as nuns dancing on stage! Like in the movie "Blade Runner", you are the "pleassure models"
goldclubbing
09-13-2004, 10:03 AM
I agree Nina--if your gawking or obviously attentive to the show get off your ass and give the girl a tip. And don't try sneaking off to the bathroom when the song is nearly over to avoid tipping. As I've said before...I'll give a bum a dollar if he asks right....
NinaDaisy
09-22-2004, 07:02 PM
Yeah, like we'd tell you!
Madcap
09-22-2004, 10:18 PM
Yeah, like we'd tell you!
Well I would have settled for the name of the club but honestly no I didn't expect you to tell me!
How about the city or state you work in?? (kidding)
I'll tell you... Both of them work in Shanghai. ;)
Sorry Nina/B... Bro's before Ho's and all... ;)
Madcap
09-23-2004, 01:16 AM
Yes, i take chances when i goof...
Bridgette
09-23-2004, 02:09 AM
I believe my profile says I'm in Baltimore :biggrin:
Madcap
09-23-2004, 02:14 AM
That would be the Baltimore next to Mount Everest... The 'lesser known' Baltimore...
;D
RedZ28
12-01-2004, 01:18 AM
It's all about a person's point of view. When I sit at the stage, I tip all the time even if I'm not particularly attracted to the dancer. I tip more generously to dancers I am attracted to. When I get my lapdances, I usually purchase a two dance mininum, even more if I have a history with the dancer.