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CrescentLuna
09-15-2004, 04:17 PM
The stage thing can be random - I HATE doing it when there is a club full of people but maybe only two or three at the stage. I also dislike being brushed off for a dance with "Well, after I see you on stage" - especially as dances are clothed and stage is nude.

tootsie
05-06-2005, 01:58 AM
i approach just about everyone, but i think the line "maybe later" just doesn't motivate dancers to go on trying.

girlinmd
05-06-2005, 07:10 AM
my club only offers stage dancing, so i dont have to hustle lds.

the reason why i dont approach customers really is that a lot of the customers dont realize their body language.

i know this is the newbie in me, but really if your face is all screwed up like i just farted, your arms are crossed and you are looking listlessly in your drink while i am on stage, guess what? i am not approaching you, because you come off like you dont like what you see anyway. i am going over to someone who seems engaged, and fun to dance for. i notice i tend to occupy that side of the stage more, too.

if there is no one around my stage like that, guess what? i am dancing for myself. i am still making eye contact and putting out that energy, but i don't kill myself. i do say "thank you" and shake hands with everyone, i still try to push drinks, but really, some customers don't really know what energy they are putting out. some customers are so rude they dont even want to shake hands.

TigersMilk
05-06-2005, 11:39 AM
^^Girlinmd thats the same way I see it. I usually go to the guys that look like they want to be there. They are at least smiling or looked at me on stage or following me w/ their eyes around the room. I dont like to approach the guys with the body langauge you stated. I go to these guys last w/ the cheapo guys.

Malibu
05-07-2005, 04:19 AM
Lately, I have to say guilty as charged.

I’m having a tough time working a packed room (and our club has been packed lately). I just feel likeI just don’t have the energy. Not only that but working a very busy room, jumping from guy to guy, sometimes makes me feel like I’m desperate. I prefer it when it’s relatively busy so I can spend a few minutes chatting before closing a sale.

I don’t know, I’ve never normally been this lazy working packed rooms, I really hope it’s because of my PMS.

I guess sometimes a girl just has her moments…

GoldCoastGirl
05-07-2005, 08:53 PM
I personally don't approach each and every patron as I like "qualify my leads". I'm a watcher. I like to wander around, pause, watch the room.... check out the body language, see if anyone is watching me... I may not appoach alot of patrons however, in the end, I still make may $$ because I approach those (in my mind) have a higher potential to spend.

Sometimes I may seem to be doing nothing for hours... just wandering around the club.. going up to the dressing room for a moment (re-group)... wander around some more... however, as I proved to myself last night, my technique does work. I usually make my $$ off a few customers not many... quality over quantity for me.

That's the only reason why it may seem I am not approaching many... I realised a long time ago I'm not one of those dancers that can bounce from patron to patron... I don't have the energy.

The only time I bounce from patron to patron is those rare times of year when I do have the energy or there is really a low no. of patrons in the club (I'm talking 10 or under).

Katrine
05-07-2005, 09:11 PM
In Austin, you never know if that 21 year old guy in shorts and sandals is a millionaire or broke student. I think the best approach is to start by working the perimeter of the club.

The guys sitting alone against the back walls and corners, for the most part, are looking for dances. Second priority is guys in that area in small groups. Work your way inwards, so that the crowded center areas and biggest groups are lowest in priority.

SaritaLoca
05-09-2005, 12:07 AM
I agree with your comment about the easten indian men. I still ALWAYS ask everyone if they want a dance but they will always try and grab me right away, and they also always try and get me to go home with them.

NuttinbutLegs
05-09-2005, 03:34 AM
i completely agree with leanna, kitty, and tara- I choose not to dance for hispanic men as well. Granted, individuals of every other race/culture out there will grope and lick, etc, but 99% of the hispanic men I have danced for will do this rather than the 30-50% of the others. They are also the only kind of men that I have come across that try to bargain for dances (ex- one group of 6 came in and the guy tried to give me $30 to dance for all of them once, and then got mad when I said hell no!)

PaigeDWinter
05-10-2005, 08:10 PM
Hmmm...

A) I am not a hustler. Never have been. I was taught otherwise. Where I've worked, in various aspects of the industry, folks looked at it entirely different. The stage is an important aspect of the show. You get up there, you show off "the goods" and those that are interested, tip, or at least (anymore, the bastids) make you aware that they'd be interested in a dance. It's like a car dealership. You go there cause you KNOW you want to buy a car, but looking at a showroom full of them helps you pick out the one you want. I cant say I've ever worked in a clubwhere stage sets are optional. I personally rather be up there than doing personal dances. That's just me though. I dont run about the club, asking everyone for dances either. I see who looks at me on stage and who does not. I refuse to ask for dances from someone who never once even looked my way while I was on stage. That's just how I am. *shrugs* Once Upon A Time, tipping a lady on stage was how you showed her that you admired her appearance, her grace, etc, and that you were interested in some time with her off stage. Now it seems to me, and not to slam anyone specific, that we're turning the restaurant into the delivery service. I apologize if I dont want to hae to be the one always going to the guy. Retail folks (often, not always) dont carry a pile of items to you to look through. Dining out requires looking at a menu. Maybe I'm a fool. Maybe I AM as insane as the rumors say, but it may be my job to be there, but I'm not going to do ALL of the work ;)

B) I cant speak for all people, in all areas, of all nationalities. Where I am now? If I had to corral each customer into a group based on nationality, and then rate their behavior? Those of Hispanic heritage, from the Americas (Mexico on down to South America) are more grabby and insist more on trying to sleep with dancers than other nationalities. IN THE CLUB I AM IN NOW. Just an observation. Do I avoid them? Not always. I eyeball how they act towards other girls before I approach. I watch how they act when they get dances. Do other customers, of other race(s) do the same? Sometimes, sure.

amalia
05-18-2005, 01:02 PM
Never underestimate! I make most of my money from the latino and asian guys.Some of them look like they dont have moeny because they might do hard labour jobs and come straight from work,but in general I dont have a problem with them,they are ok and decent patrons.Yes ,some try to negotiate prices from a $20 to a $5....but just brush it off and get all the frinds to chip in for 2 dances for the one friend:):).Sometimes they try to be naughty,but who doesnt?Just have to know how to handle them...the money is green no matter what hand it comes from.

toxicgirl
05-18-2005, 01:22 PM
mexican (and i mean from mexico, speaking barely or no english) customers are some of my easiest sells. all i have to do is speak a teeny bit of spanish. tell them how much a dance is in spanish and it's done. very easy. we both know there's a language barrier so i don't need to make small talk with them.

onalark
05-07-2012, 06:58 PM
Plus, if you speak a little Spanish, they love it. First they're surprised a white girl can speak Spanish at all (I look Irish) and they love that they can actually communicate with me.

Shadow35
05-08-2012, 10:35 AM
on the OP - the girls approach everyone in this club...there are a few occasional girls that sit in the dressing room or outside smoking but overall, they talk to everyone...

I avoid certain groups for reasons i KNOW they arent money makers for me...Ive been dancing off and on for 11 yrs and what didnt work for me back when i started still rings true for me now....younger "guido' types, younger 20something guys, african american and some hispanic guys within those age reanges dont like me...believe me, ive tried...i can tell you in my 10 yrs of dancing, *EVERY* guy within those groups, with the exception of 1 or 2, have ever said yes to private dancing with me....so I stick with middle aged/older white guys...just because thats what works for me....

what makes it tough for me though is that im a Marilyn Monroe looking type but with tattoos...and a lot of the guys that come into my club *ARE* the younger guido/white guys that only want the young, thin, long haired type girl...

i think i need to find a new club.

Su Su
05-17-2012, 07:08 AM
Well I try to approach everyone, but if their body language tells me disinterest I don't go to them.
I sometimes get a little shy in approaching people, but I gotta tell myself I am not me right now! I am a stripper and IDGAF if they reject me!!

But IMO, it seems like girls come to work to hang out in the DR and bitch how they hate their jobs (no one is telling them to do it!!)
Maybe that's why dancers don't approach people.. Cos they habour a lot of negativity.

But don't get me wrong, not everyone is like that. But for me, I love my job :)

Jay12
05-20-2012, 05:24 PM
I'm Hispanic, and you just came off as majorly ignorant. Nice to know that you put Mexicans in the same category as smelly people. :gnasher:

BTW, a lot of "Mexicans" come from countries like El Salvador, Guatemala and Peru, but ignorant, racist white people just all lump them in as "Mexican" because they don't know any better.

I know that most Hispanic men that come into clubs tend to be lower income, but I can tell you that numerous times on slow nights they might not take you into Champagne all night, but if you're nice to them and treat them like human beings they'll typically buy a dance.

:soapbox:


Low income? When I was working in Rva last summer, those "poor looking" Latin American dudes were infected with 100's bills in their pockets.

fionatulip
05-22-2012, 12:41 PM
Hmmm still curious about the original question rather than the race talk.

I'm actually currently speaking to someone on zbone about the widespread laziness in LA and why girls aren't approaching customers anymore. I can't think of any particular reason why except that morale has been super low in my club lately. What do you think it takes to change the situation?

sunny,*
05-22-2012, 06:46 PM
I'll approach almost anyone, and I try to. Working from the back of the club to the front, and starting with the guys who have been watching me/came up and tipped me on stage.

The tough ones for me are:
1) the tables of/with women. Unless they're obviously a little drunk and having a GREAT f'ing time or they call me over, I don't bother. I don't want to go up to them and deal with their judgmental bitchy glares and catty comments. It happens more often than not, and it brings me down. I can't help it! :(
2) guys all alone at the bar. Unless they have this "come talk to mee" body language, I feel a little awkward. I'll still try to approach them if there aren't any open laps at tables, or if the guy looks like he has a lot of money, but it takes more finesse than guys at tables.

idgaf_luvr
05-22-2012, 09:39 PM
I'll approach almost anyone, and I try to. Working from the back of the club to the front, and starting with the guys who have been watching me/came up and tipped me on stage.

The tough ones for me are:
1) the tables of/with women. Unless they're obviously a little drunk and having a GREAT f'ing time or they call me over, I don't bother. I don't want to go up to them and deal with their judgmental bitchy glares and catty comments. It happens more often than not, and it brings me down. I can't help it! :(
2) guys all alone at the bar. Unless they have this "come talk to mee" body language, I feel a little awkward. I'll still try to approach them if there aren't any open laps at tables, or if the guy looks like he has a lot of money, but it takes more finesse than guys at tables.

I agree with your 2nd example. I noticed if the only available guys are at the bar, I'm least likely going to talk to the guys sitting at the corners. I stay away from the ones who are not even facing the stage - they are facing the bar looking up at the TV, arms and elbows sitting on the bar top, holding tight to their beer bottles.

Marley13
05-26-2012, 11:30 AM
I'll approach almost anyone, and I try to. Working from the back of the club to the front, and starting with the guys who have been watching me/came up and tipped me on stage.

The tough ones for me are:
1) the tables of/with women. Unless they're obviously a little drunk and having a GREAT f'ing time or they call me over, I don't bother. I don't want to go up to them and deal with their judgmental bitchy glares and catty comments. It happens more often than not, and it brings me down. I can't help it! :(
2) guys all alone at the bar. Unless they have this "come talk to mee" body language, I feel a little awkward. I'll still try to approach them if there aren't any open laps at tables, or if the guy looks like he has a lot of money, but it takes more finesse than guys at tables.

I actually do a lot better with women! IDK why! Even when they are death glaring me. I have agoraphobia, which makes it VERY hard to be social.. but I just remember my alias, take on HER persona, and get these girls loosened up! I danced 3 songs for like 6 different girls last night that came in the same group. NONE of them wanted it, but they didnt have a choice. They soon loved me and one even smacked my butt (with my permission).

Guys at the bar are always a no go for me, unless they are a regular and I know that's their usual spot. A man sitting at the bar at a strip club just screams "leave me alone. Im here to drink and see tits for free."

Marley13
05-26-2012, 11:32 AM
I agree with your 2nd example. I noticed if the only available guys are at the bar, I'm least likely going to talk to the guys sitting at the corners. I stay away from the ones who are not even facing the stage - they are facing the bar looking up at the TV, arms and elbows sitting on the bar top, holding tight to their beer bottles.

Ive noticed these ones are actually the spenders in my club. They dont care for stage dances, they want the VIP or couch dances instead. I usually like to lurk out dark corners for men watching the game, that way I can introduce myself, ask if he would like company, make small chat about the game and then offer a dance. 9 times out of 10, they get one.

Natalie Acer
05-30-2012, 03:42 AM
Maybe some guys "hiding" out the bar are trying to see free boob and watch the game.... BUT I've found loads of big big spenders at the bar. The 30-40 year old standing in a suit, alone at a bar is often too shy to 'get amongst it'. In fact, the BIGGEST spender I've ever had was one of these guys.... 35 standing alone at the bar, arms crossed. I went to him, introduced myself etc... $20k later (yes, that night) he became a long term regular. Moral of the story: the bar can be a great place to find a shy type ready to drop a wad of cash! x

anacol
05-30-2012, 05:16 AM
I so agree Natalie. It's the same in a 4 star restaurant. You can meet men with money at bars which is mainly where they all hang from my experiences as well.

sukilions
05-30-2012, 06:04 AM
Whoa. This thread is a real eye opener for me. I am totally one of those girls that doesn't hustle anymore, and for some reason for the past 2 years I've been justifying it to myself. I look around at my club all the time and see very few girls on the floor. Even though the dressing room looks like a friggin pageant. The morale is super f-ing low. It's hard to get into the energetic hustling party mode when it doesn't look like there are any dancers having fun on the floor. My self indulgent lack of hustle is partly or mostly because of laziness. I've definitely seen better times with less effort. I don't know, survival of the fittest. BUT if more girls worked the floor and acted like entertainers I think money spending all around would increase without a doubt. That said, I plan on taking advantage of some of this apathy thats so pervasive.

Oh yeah the girlfriends that are showing up every night that are "cool with it but totally fuckin aren't cool with it" can be real fun! They look like a major bummer but if you can loosen them up they can add to the atmosphere of ridiculousness. When I approach, I only talk to the girl, pretty much ignore the guy which is a relief to her...I get a little lezzie/flirty, encourage her to have a dance/drink and by my next stage set she rubbing her body while I'm dancing. Women can get reallly wild and grabby!