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sushidoll
10-26-2004, 12:26 AM
they would be cccrrraaaazzzyyyy not to take you sushi.. You will be ok im sure.

Just make sure you have enough for a return flight back (just incase)

hehe, im lucky - my mummy(drearest) already broght my ticket there & back! :P

tampafldancer
10-26-2004, 02:31 PM
thats cool. It's open ended?
How much more does that cost generally?

Out of curiosity, if i wanted to go to japan, do you guys know if i could stay for two or 3 weeks, or would it def have to be a month?

i havent called janet back, but would like to know for sure.

Wwanderer
10-26-2004, 05:07 PM
Out of curiosity, if i wanted to go to japan, do you guys know if i could stay for two or 3 weeks, or would it def have to be a month?

I don't know what the attitude of the clubs and agencies would be towards that short a stay, but fwiiw, imo 2 or 3 weeks will not be long enough to give dancing in Japan a "fair" chance/try or to make much money. I could be wrong, but I'd guess that it takes a week or two, maybe more, to learn the ropes and get the hang of the place enough to tell what it would be like to work there long term and to start earning money at a normal sort of level there. First of all, just the jetlag can make you feel pretty horrible and keep you from sleeping well for a week or more if you are sensitive to it. (See LOST IN TRANSLATION for a pretty accurate depiction of how bad trans-Pacific jetlag and insomnia can be, and of course the jetlag from the US east coast is way way worse than from, say, Australia which is basically in the same time zone.) And then there are all sorts of adjustments you will have to make to all the cultural differences, everything to the food to the way people act on the street to the way the clubs function...not that it is bad, much of it is really good, but it just takes a little time to figure the place out well enough that you can really operate and work effectively.

And, if you do decide to go for just a few weeks, you should make sure that there aren't any big holidays in the middle of your stay which would take a bigger relative bite out of your earning potential over a shorter stay.

Free advice is often worth only what you pay for it, but anyway, that is mine.

-Ww

tampafldancer
10-30-2004, 09:24 PM
Ok... anyone from fl want to go? Lol, i hate to travel alone :( :(

FlaDancer
10-31-2004, 07:26 AM
I'm going, but not until mid-late January. FD xo

tampafldancer
10-31-2004, 02:35 PM
ok. im leaving jan 5th for sure. (month contract) It will give me a chance to go and still come back and pick up some credit hrs for school.

anyone else going?

mermaidnz
11-06-2004, 11:18 AM
thought id give this a quick update since its been awhiloe and a bit has changed.


so ive been back at 7th for a weeks and half now.

made ( and im not shitting you....) less then 100,000 yen in that time!!!!! wtf?

since i have come back, there are simply no customers, no one knows why, but its dead. might be the time of year, strange, seeing as how everyone says this is the busiest time?! no one is making money, tonight most of us were lucky to get one dance ( yay usd$70! minus tip out, oh $10 for a nights work! lol no thanks!)

ive heard tantra is getting busier. maybe guys prefer to get the extra contact there ( well duh) and have stopped coming to 7th? or something else i dunno.

theres about 10 girls leaving by the end of this month, and about 4 of us are leaving cos its not that great money wise.

strange.

Brittany
11-06-2004, 05:22 PM
Well, it wouldn't hurt to drive by Tantra or stop in with a customer or friend to be sure about whether it's the club you're at that sucks, or the business in the area as a whole that sucks.
If it's the club, I'd plan another trip, and work at the other club if you can and just not tell them you worked at the other club.
I'm curious as to how much contact is really going on at Tantra though, and if that may be the reason why the business is so slow where you are at. When a club first offers higher contact, the profits skyrocket at first, but then I've always noticed that even the business there dies down after a few years. I mean are the girls there offering "extras" such as fingering, nipple sucking, handjobs, etc. or just doing higher contact dances?

mermaidnz
11-07-2004, 07:49 AM
uh from what i SAW one just ONE night there, extras DEFINATLY included nipple licking ( well licking anywhere generally) fingering ( girl fingers herself, and customer fingers her) i didnt SEE handjobs happening, but i did see a chick with her head in a customers lap while his pants were down by his knees. i dont THINK she was sucking,but hey i wasnt looking that hard,lol one glance was enough!!! guys frequently take their shirts off, and girls two girls shows in dances are uhh defintly lesbian acts.


the girls there make a shit load of cash,theres no denying that. 20-50 odd dances easy on a good night, i personally dont want to have to do half what they do to make money.

even out on the floor, girls will pretty much do anything for free. its kinda weird, they are so drunk i doubt they even realise they are doing it tho. and managment doesnt seem to mind.

Crystal_eyes
11-07-2004, 12:22 PM
even out on the floor, girls will pretty much do anything for free. its kinda weird, they are so drunk i doubt they even realise they are doing it tho. and managment doesnt seem to mind.
That's why it's not good to drink at work ! Bur I can't believe the managment is letting them act like this ! I taught these clubs were suposed to be classy ???

mermaidnz
11-07-2004, 12:28 PM
well the managment dont really care cos they are making money off these girls selling drinks, and champagne.

Brittany
11-07-2004, 10:54 PM
Uhhh...yeah. Wow. It's going to be hard for a relatively classy club to compete with prostitution acts going on down the street, at least at first.

What makes me mad is that these people are screwing up the stripping biz in the area with their shenanigans. If they want to run a brothel, why not just run a brothel? Or if they want to run a "kissing club" where the customers pay to kiss, lick and grope the girls (Wwanderer had said there were quite a few of these in Japan) why not just open one of those and call it what it is?
But no, they have to put the girls up on stage for some reason and have this pretense that it's a strip club. Ughhhhh. I don't have anything against prostitutes or prostitution, but I sure don't like it when they work out of strip clubs.

Wwanderer
11-08-2004, 12:17 PM
It's going to be hard for a relatively classy club to compete with prostitution acts going on down the street, at least at first. It is really hard to picture if you have never seen it firsthand, but although 7th Heaven and Tantra are only a few blocks apart in Roppongi, the night life district there is so intense, elaborate and diverse that there are probably literally a hundred or more competing places of all sorts (including "kissing clubs" and outright brothels of various flavors) between them. Not to mention all the touts who will offer various services on a walk between the two. So in many ways, it is not all that direct or isolated a competitive situation for the two clubs. In one way though, they are more direct competitors, namely in that they employee foreign/western/gaijin women. There are other places in Roppongi that also employee foreign women, but the vast majority are either Japanese only or Asian only women. In other words, it could be the permissive practices at Tantra that are drawing business away from 7th Heaven, but the situation might not be as simple or direct as one might imagine.

Btw, I think Tantra is relatively new; at least I have never been there or seen it that I recall. Mermaidnz, did you notice if the dancers working there were primarily Russian and/or Eastern European by any chance? The management? I am curious.

-Ww

mermaidnz
11-08-2004, 12:18 PM
i think it may have been like it is now, for quite some time. i get the impression that this isnt a new occurance at this club tho.

i guess if thats how they want to run their club, then all power to them, but not every girl is gonna wanna do that kinda stuff to compete.

missalovelady
11-10-2004, 12:07 AM
is it true clubs in japan will try and pimp you out or not let you leave?I watched a movie about it.I would be careful and take someone with me.that would be scary.

mermaidnz
11-11-2004, 11:59 AM
Btw, I think Tantra is relatively new; at least I have never been there or seen it that I recall. Mermaidnz, did you notice if the dancers working there were primarily Russian and/or Eastern European by any chance? The management? I am curious.

-Ww

lol we have been over this. its considered rasist if i stipulate the dances nationality in relation to the skankyness of the club lol ;)

but yeah, mainly russians and czech rep estonian etc.

but in saying that, theres also many east euros at 7th heaven.so dunno...



the russian club thing? havent heard of that one, but then again , i dont speak russian.ha so i wouldnt have heard or noticed something like that anyways.



more of an update.
its STILL DEAD! there is no money in the club, out of 35 odd girls, maybe 8 make money,the rest sit on about $50 USD all night. it really depends, if you get that ONE customer that makes your night for you or not. most of us its NOT! ha

Brittany
11-11-2004, 02:54 PM
Wow that sucks. Are you going to stay even though the money isn't there or just go back home? At $50 a night, it looks like you might do just as well hostessing (maybe even better, depending on where you got hired) and you wouldn't be getting naked for it.
One of the main reasons I've never travelled out of the country myself was the fear of not making big bucks once I got there, having already spent big bucks (and rearranged my life) to get there.

tampafldancer
11-11-2004, 03:44 PM
yea, im rethinking my plans. I do pretty well in the usa already.

mermaidnz
11-12-2004, 11:53 AM
honestly, if you can make USD$ 2000 per week, or more, DONT BOTHER with this place.

unless you get that 1 GOOD customer, you wont make shit here ( as we are all learning!)

honestly, i have just had 3 REALLY good nights, i made USD$3900 in 3 nights, but that was all from ONE customer, other then him, i made USD$150 in three nights from other customers, and tthis customer, left the club by 10pm when it was getting busy, so id make my cash before work had really started, after that, there were no other customers,and i made nothing! shitty.

the general census is that no one is making much more then 1 or 2 dances a night ( 7000-14000yen)minus stage fees of 7000yen...hmmmmm

not to great.

tampafldancer
11-12-2004, 01:56 PM
mermaidz, were u making better money before they fired you?

Do you think you are making less money on purpose?

Wwanderer
11-12-2004, 02:28 PM
honestly, if you can make USD$ 2000 per week, or more, DONT BOTHER with this place.
unless you get that 1 GOOD customer, you wont make shit here ( as we are all learning!)
honestly, i have just had 3 REALLY good nights, i made USD$3900 in 3 nights, but that was all from ONE customer, ...

Since I am not a dancer and don't have that perspective, I hesitate to comment, but here is one possibility to consider: One could conclude that the type of hustle needed to make good money in the Tokyo clubs is just different from that in strip clubs most other places. The usual big money maker approach that I have witnessed in person and often seen described here is to hit as many potential customers as possible, try to reasonably quickly sell him a few dances and then move on to the next "target" as soon as the previous one stops buying a steady stream of dances. Based on what you, mermaidnz, say above and what I have experienced myself in Tokyo clubs, maybe the key is to put a lot of effort into acquiring and keeping a set of devoted regular customers.

Here is some things I have noticed about Tokyo clubs:

1- If I return to a club within a week or even a bit longer of a previous visit, the same dancer or dancers from whom I bought private dances on my previous visit are always the first to approach me for a drink or dance or just to visit. It almost seems like the other dancers are not allowed to talk to me until my previous companions have had a chance.

2 - Dancers tend to sit with me much longer chatting and drinking, often for 30-60 minutes, before trying to sell me a private dance.

3 - The odd, by non-Japanese standards, dohan system seems to be designed to build up a personal bond, not really anything you'd call a "relationship" but perhaps a bit of familiarity or acquaintence or even friendship (at least the appearance of one), between customers and individual dancers.

4 - When I have given Tokyo dancers my phone number or email address, they have almost always contacted me and urged me to visit them again at the club or to have a dohan with them.

5 - One particular story: I once had a very pleasant evening (in the club) with an Israeli dancer from whom I bought quite a few dances. I came back hoping to see her again a night or two later and was disappointed to find her sitting with a Japanese man, deep in obviously flirteous conversation. I was surprised when she joined me about 5 min later, and I noticed that he had left. When I mentioned him to her, she told me that he was one of her long term regulars, came to see her once or twice per week for most of an evening, and that she had promised him 3 free private dances (!!!) the next time he came back if he would excuse her for that evening. She told me that it was because she "enjoyed spendng time with me so very much", but I wasn't born yesterday, and I interpreted it to mean that she was basically juggling her time with an established regular (him) in order to try to acquire a new one (me) and was even willing to give away some private dances to do so.

6 - The other thing that I have noticed is that when I return to a club and see the same dancer(s) again, their private dances tend to become gradually more permissive, including more "extras" (by some definitions).

To me, all of this adds up to the idea that the way to make big money in Tokyo might be to focus or getting and keeping regulars, much more so than in clubs elsewhere. Maybe worth a try anyway.


Aside from all of the above, I have been in 7th Heaven many times over more than the last ten years (don't really recall the first time I was there), often at this time of year too, and I have never seen it as dead as you describe, mermaidnz. It usually seems to be jumping. So, maybe something else entirely is going on.

-Ww

PS - It would probably be very helpful if Kitty-chan could comment on the above; I am sure she knows how it works in Tokyo, though I am not sure that she has danced enough (or at all) elsewhere to make a comparison.

mermaidnz
11-12-2004, 02:39 PM
your right on all counts there, definatly the key to making cash there is regulars,which is why i said only about 8 girls a night make any money. the rest that dont have a regular coming in, make nothing.

thats why i made so much in the last 3 nights.had it not been for my regular id be on the same money as everyone else.nothing!

yeah,money has dropped since i got fired, but its gotten bad for almost everyone, not just me. there seems to be no reason for it,except the number of customers is considerably less then earlier.

tonight, at any time of the night there was at least ONE girl waiting for a customer to come in so shed have someone to talk to!

Wwanderer
11-13-2004, 09:12 AM
your right on all counts there, definatly the key to making cash there is regulars,which is why i said only about 8 girls a night make any money. the rest that dont have a regular coming in, make nothing.

OK, so doesn't this imply that the key to making big money in Tokyo (and many dancers say they do) is to find ways of getting and holding onto regulars? It is maybe worth thinking (and perhaps talking here on SW) about how that should affect a dancer's approach to hustling. I am probably not the best person to comment (since I have the customer perspective, not the hustler one), but at the very least it seems to me that the common advice you see here, that a dancer should move on to the next potential customer pretty quickly if a guy does not quickly and/or frequently buy dances, might be quite counter-productive in Tokyo clubs. I am sure that there are many other relevant angles too.

-Ww

mermaidnz
11-13-2004, 12:56 PM
yes this is true too , but the point it, there are NO customers there now except other girls regulars.

unless you call a regular in, there is no one else to talk to, if you know what i mean, it seem like no one comes in on their own free will, just if they get called by their regular girl.

i understand their cultures different, and you have to spend alot more time with a customer before getting a dance etc, but this is ridiculas!!!

anyways, the moral of the story is, its not as good as expected, by all girls

Wwanderer
11-13-2004, 01:17 PM
there are NO customers there now except other girls regulars.
unless you call a regular in, there is no one else to talk to,

As I said before, I have never seen it dead like that...hard for me to even picture it that way. I wonder what is going on. Japanese nightlife is very faddish, and it is real common for some new club or whatever to become THE PLACE to be, and there are lines out the door and so forth. Than a couple of months later it is no longer the fashion and drops to a low level or closes completely, but 7th Heaven has been doing a good business for years and years...doesn't seem like the sort of place that would just suddenly die.

You mentioned that Tantra had quite a bit of business, but I wonder how the other clubs which are more like 7th Heaven are doing...Lips, Wild West, Private Eyes, Exclusive and so forth. It would be interesting to know if they are equally dead re customers.

-Ww

mermaidnz
11-13-2004, 01:45 PM
oh something i realised i forgot to mention...



the earthquskes in japan ,affected the stock market, which affected the yen, which usually makes ppl spend less ( that what i heard once before, i think melonie once said something like this ages ago)

other then that, i cant think of anything else.

i hear the other clubs are just as quiet. although, not too sure about private eyes, they might be busier?!

yeah,im serious about the number of customer, traditionally saturdays are very quiet here, tonight many girls didnt even TALK to anyone cos there were not enough customer, then again, maybe theres too many girls, theres about 30-35 working a night.

Flamenca
11-30-2004, 11:23 PM
dude, I was in Japan two years ago, and I hated it. It was stripper bootcamp. I worked at Seventh Heaven for about a month, the money was good but the tip out was enormous, and since you have so many eastern europeans and australians that get a great exchange rate for the yen the competition is annyoing, yeah the women are formed in line when the customers come in, and the owners are watching over you all the time...lastly, I didnt have much fun with the japanese customers-they are pretty shy, and yes have money, but theyre so used to women being subservient-blah...the shopping was good, but since Tokyo is so expensive you end up spending all the money you earn easily...

mermaidnz
12-01-2004, 02:30 AM
flamenca, the tip out has since changed, its now 6,000 yen per night, i think you are talking about back when it was 16,000!!!

Wwanderer
12-01-2004, 10:10 PM
It was stripper bootcamp. ... and the owners are watching over you all the time...the shopping was good, but since Tokyo is so expensive you end up spending all the money you earn easily...

Fwiiw, those are two complaints I have heard from quite a few dancers working in Tokyo: There are too many strict rules and fines and such in the clubs, and it is hard to avoid spending a lot of money.

-Ww

Flamenca
12-02-2004, 10:49 PM
dude,
the agents manipulate the women to their advantage, if they need more women in one club they wont let you go to the other or even look at it-they treat you like property. I hated Japan, 7th Heaven is good for Aussies and russians, and the asian girls have a head start to all of them cause they know the culture better and are better at communicating with the customers...if youre from the US-very rarely will you enjoy Japan.

mermaidnz
12-03-2004, 07:19 AM
actually, its shit for aussie too.

its not really good for anyone.


unless your opne of the few girls that get all the good customers cos your all buddy buddy with the managers....

GoldCoastGirl
12-10-2004, 06:26 AM
unless your opne of the few girls that get all the good customers cos your all buddy buddy with the managers....

This sounds strangely familiar to me...... OH! Yeah.. that's right.. it is starting to happen (if not already happening) at my club! D'oh! :laughing: :laughing:

Johny
12-11-2004, 12:51 AM
Hi ladies,

I am in Japan a few times a year, where is the club with the prettiest western women.

Also any clubs that have lots of Israeli girls.

GoldCoastGirl
12-11-2004, 03:54 AM
You might want to post this question over at Strip Club Junkie

This club chat folder is mainly for dancers not customers. Just FYI.

sushidoll
01-02-2005, 02:11 PM
OK, i am here. have been here for 1 month now.

working in akasaka lips, they took me to seventh heaven but i didnt want to go there (too scared) so i asked to be taken to lips instead.

everyones soooo wonderfully nice (management, staff, dancers, and agents) here. but the money is definatly terrible!

i guess im not really here for the money so much so i dont really mind.

anyways, id be happy to answar any questions! so just post here or email [email protected]

:) holly.

Wwanderer
01-02-2005, 02:48 PM
OK, i am here. have been here for 1 month now.

Congrats! I know that you had been planning and looking forward to going to Tokyo to dance for some time. It is great to achieve one's goals, and getting to and working/living in Tokyo are not so easy.

I am also glad to hear that you are enjoying the place and hope that the money gets better for you. It may do so as you learn better how to work the system there, get some regulars (which seem to be the secret to making big money in Japna) and so forth.

Please keep us updated on how it goes for you. Mermaidnz seems to have had a rather eventful stay; maybe you will too. How long do you plan to be there?

-Ww

mermaidnz
01-02-2005, 05:54 PM
hey sushidoll!

dont be scared of the girls at seventh, most of them are harmless and all talk. you should ask the agents if you can try going there for a night, so you have something to compare it all to. akasaka is known to be very average moneywise, but the girls are definatly nicer there !!

have fun babe!