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TROU8LE~
09-21-2005, 12:41 PM
Yes, I know where youre coming from with this issue. Ive been dancing for 7 years also and honestly, Ive noticed guys want more for their damn dollar now. I dont make nearly as much as I used to. I feel, the chics who are now doing the "extras" will be taking over this industry slowly but surley. Because I refuse to do any extras, I feel myself getting out soon. But IF business gets back to normal.. (the way it was before), .. ill stay for a while longer. But I doubt it, unless laws are passed. Some girls havent felt it yet in certain states. -Girl, I can totaly feel your pain. --and NO, I believe there are MANY PRETTY girls who know how to hustle. I believe as long as you know how to hustle and not complain all the time.. your doing your job. But if youre still not making money, I truly believe its the chics doing "extras" who are killing this industry. Slowly turning it into LiL Prostituion Halls instead of Gentlemans Clubs. What a shame~

cpeters1
09-21-2005, 08:49 PM
Interesting. I always go for the prettiest girls. Never gotten an extra, never been offered an extra, never asked for an extra. In fact, before finding this site never even heard of an extra, and I've been going to SC's for many years. Sheltered I guess. However, in going for the prettiest girls, I often find them bitchy and not wanting to bother with me. They seem more interested in the younger gangbanger wannabies. Now, I am 40, average height, not fat, well dressed, clean guy. If the pretty girls are not making enough money it is not my fault, it is theirs. I have left many a club with cash in my wallet all because the dancers I showed obvious interest in never took advantage of me.

Juliette_deSade
09-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Just a reminder: We are all pretty girls and we know it.

We convinced ourselves. Proof? We voluntarily walked into a club and applied in person. To original poster: Define pretty girl. Define 10 with concrete conviction.

True beauty shines through any makeup or superficiality. The routine we do in the dressing room to gussy ourselves up is for our benefit and our air of majesty. The customer's part in this is the appreciation of our efforts.

Conceit is not true beauty. No fair to assume you are better than anyone, and because of this percieved superiority bitch that a not so pretty girl is doing "better" than you are.

If I were you I would worry over my personal hustle.

Serendipity7
09-22-2005, 02:15 AM
Interesting. I always go for the prettiest girls. Never gotten an extra, never been offered an extra, never asked for an extra. In fact, before finding this site never even heard of an extra, and I've been going to SC's for many years. Sheltered I guess. However, in going for the prettiest girls, I often find them bitchy and not wanting to bother with me. They seem more interested in the younger gangbanger wannabies. Now, I am 40, average height, not fat, well dressed, clean guy. If the pretty girls are not making enough money it is not my fault, it is theirs. I have left many a club with cash in my wallet all because the dancers I showed obvious interest in never took advantage of me.

What club is this, or at least where in Florida? I find it strange that these girls are doing this, because they're just cheating themselves out of money. I typically approach the 35+ guys first because they're usually the ones who have the money clips with hundreds inside. The "younger gangbanger wannabes" will typically tip you a few bucks on stage and you'll be lucky if they buy a dance. Find a new club to go to! ;)

dlabtot
09-22-2005, 03:26 AM
Juliette_deSade you really have a way with words. Bravo!

Krazyjane
09-22-2005, 03:32 AM
Any girl who knows any ropes of stripping knows that looks alone don't make it. For example, people are always saying, "Men love Asian girls, you must've made bank." I wish. For the millions of guys every night who exclaimed that they had an Asian fetish or regaled me with tales of their army stays in Osaka, I never got very many dances except when I was starting out at a shithole club that was more or less a retirement home for strippers. It's because I'm not socially apt. I couldn't really tickle the customers' fancies unless they were interested in discussing history, computers, linguistics, physics, etc.

At one of my old clubs, there was a chick named Allie. She was kinda chubby, had a voice like she smoked 3 packs a day, and about a 5 on the 1-10 scale, didn't do pole, and was an ok dancer, but she was easily the top earner in the club, which is laid out so that it's impossible to turn tricks without half the club seeing. She knew what men wanted, knew how to tickle their fancies, and she was the type who could sell refrigerators to Eskimos.

TROU8LE~
09-22-2005, 12:49 PM
Men love differences in looks. Noone is better than the other unless its just an oppinion. But I feel this post is subjected to the crackhead looking chics.. ya know? c'mon. You knoww...The chics who look all strung out/ very sloppy and making more $ than the girls who have their sh*t together. (I"believe" thats what this post is about)

justine08
09-24-2005, 02:01 PM
I tend to side with diamond2004--being an above average, thin, big-boobed blonde causes more trouble...which goes against so many talk shows and the like that tell society that good/attrctive people earn more and get more favors, WRONG. I find inside and out of the club guys assume I will be dumb and stuck up, and the world has already handed me more than my fair share, so I occur predjudice, and rude behavior from many folks. When I give a compliment (which are always sincere; you can find something beautiful in ALL folks) it is met with "oh, you say that to all the guys" (not true) and I have to hustle twice as hard to convince the customer(s) that I won't be lazy, I will treat them like the king/queen they are and that is not fun. I am sure you are a divine gal Colleen, but sometimes come off as a bit of a 'hater'...I work/hustle just as hard, if not more and face the preconcieved notions that I am a lazy, stuck-up person...which I have to spend (extra) time wooing the feller I plan to dance for that this is not the case. Just bear in mind predjudice comes to us "beautiful" folks too; and sometimes I feel more so. I am a great conversationalist, make eye contact, smile, remember names/jobs/hobbies of those I have danced for...and still it takes a great deal of reassurance (for the feller) to finally see beyond my 'handicap'.

velvet
09-24-2005, 02:31 PM
What club is this, or at least where in Florida?

cocoa beach area.

colleen
09-24-2005, 10:53 PM
Justine, I don't mean to come off as a hater, honestly. Mostly I was annoyed by the tone of the original post, which sounds to me as if the writer really wants to say "I am so pretty, and it's not fair that the ugly girls are making all the money." I have worked with a ton of girls with that exact same attitude. They are the ones who talk shit about me because I am ALWAYS on my feet, hustling and making money. They also try to copy my look and my sales technique, and go so far as to accuse me of doing extras.

So forgive me if I am jsut a little defensive about it. It is not fun to have your job threatened by somebody who thinks that if you are not beautiful, you must be grabbing dick to make money.

Just to be clear: I am not prejudiced against those who are blessed with stunning good looks, just those who feel they are entitled to special good treatment because of it.

I admire anybody who hustles. Sales in this business is like no other. I find it interesting thay while I feel I have to work extra-hard to compensate for NOT being beautiful, you feel you have to work extra-hard to compensate for your abundance of good looks.

grove542000
09-24-2005, 11:35 PM
A customer's perspective, if I may...the most sensitive part of a man's anatomy is his...ego. A woman who will take the time (sometimes just few minutes) with a potential costomer, and can talk to him as though he is the only man in the universe (for those few minutes), can get any number of them eating out of her hand, regardless of her looks or other external factors. The most important thing to getting a customer's business is not YOUR desirabilty, but making them feel desirable.

Although perhaps I am full of shit.

Angel1112
10-02-2005, 01:43 PM
i think that they were happy about themselves and very confident and they had such positive energy.. they radient that and people pick up on those things and want to be around someone like this...pretty or not so pretty.....sometimes it's not always about one's outter beauty but instead there inner beauty........you know what i mean?? :)

justine08
10-02-2005, 02:24 PM
Sorry back at cha' miss Colleen...had a bad experience with another girl (not at work) who took it apon herself to hinder me due to jealousy...you know how those days go :( !I agree that NO ONE should be out-and-out judged based on anything but their insides (bar the fact we all have different ideas of our 'ideal' outside beauty) so it sure is unfair on ALL sides of this issue!

GoldCoastGirl
10-02-2005, 08:58 PM
A customer's perspective, if I may...the most sensitive part of a man's anatomy is his...ego. A woman who will take the time (sometimes just few minutes) with a potential costomer, and can talk to him as though he is the only man in the universe (for those few minutes), can get any number of them eating out of her hand, regardless of her looks or other external factors. The most important thing to getting a customer's business is not YOUR desirabilty, but making them feel desirable.

Although perhaps I am full of shit.

:thumbsup: You're not full of s--t... you actually speak the truth. This is why personality and sales ability sell more private/lap dances than looks. If he feels like a king and the only guy you are interested in .... then you have a sale ;D

buffie06
10-02-2005, 10:29 PM
I find inside and out of the club guys assume I will be dumb and stuck up, and the world has already handed me more than my fair share, so I occur predjudice, and rude behavior from many folks. When I give a compliment (which are always sincere; you can find something beautiful in ALL folks) it is met with "oh, you say that to all the guys" (not true) and I have to hustle twice as hard to convince the customer(s) that I won't be lazy. This couldn't be more true, I really find it hard to give compliments because the guys think i am"selling them". Truth is when I really " sell them" they don't even know it. Most guys that do approach me want and expect a bitchy snob and I give them that act, however if I am approaching a guy I will feel him out. I find that being myself usually I make the most money, but part of a good salesperson is being able to switch gears,not every custy likes the same personality. I do have to say that looks go a long way and from experience. I got a boob job and now earn almost 75 percent more than before, and these are people who just come up and approach me based on looks, but keeping them for longer than one or two dances is more than looks.

Phedre
10-07-2005, 03:05 PM
One of my best friends has been a dancer for damn near 10 years now and she is one of those "beautiful people". I have worked with her in clubs and watched as people literally treat her like a QUEEN. I have also worked with her in clubs where people treated her like she was dog poo. When confronted with the latter she had a hard time making money, mainly because of her holier than thou attitude. I have watched her storm out of clubs before after not being treated like a fucking Queen. The majority of people that judge her before they talk to her will not even attempt to approach her bcuz her outer attitude SUCKS.
Point being that just because you are beautiful doesn't mean that you will make money. Sometimes people will steer clear because beautiful people are intimidating. Everywhere we went people assumed she'd be the top earner. In reality she spent a lot of time actually HAVING to hustle people just to change their first initial opinion of her. Where as I look like the girl next door and I didn't have to really hustle people, I just let my fun personality shine thru. This is still a sore spot between her and I. She has always been able to count on her beauty to get her what she wanted. Granted you can profit big off it in this biz; but if you haven't got the rest of the package it might make you kind of bitter.

MinahSky
10-08-2005, 08:58 PM
I guess I'm considered beautiful. When I meet people, they expect me to be a stuck -up, ignorant, snotty bitch. When I'm sweet, intelligent and kind, they still are mean to me because I'm not what they wanted me to be. At work this definitely happens. I dont' mind because it's work, but it does inspire me to be nice to people because it's NOT attractive to be mean. :yuck:


Many females don't understand that beauty can't cover for a f*cked up personality. I hear all the time that guys would love to dance with me, but they are intimidated. I go over to them and then they see that my outside is not all that I have going for me. One custy even told me that he was afraid that when he actually talked to me that his fantasy was going to be shattered. Yet when I finally approached him, he was happy to see that I was more than he even thought I was. Made me all warm inside. :goodvibes


It REALLY cracked me up when he was leaving and I walked him to the outer area by the entrance/exit where the ATM and better light was and he exclaimed, "Wow! You really are beautiful!" I could have lit up Times Square... :biggrin:

stripperbrat
10-10-2005, 06:46 AM
"I've never claimed to understand the male mind anyway!"

Great comment Susan! :)

I think it's all about the hustle. Usually unattractive women get told no a lot...so they develop incredible hustling skills and don't know the meaning of the word no. Therefore, their sales skills are dominant because they know if they don't get the current sale, there may not be a chance for the next one.

Bridget83
11-10-2005, 06:59 PM
I used to work at a small club, and some of the girls were pretty but chubby (although they did have good bodies). However, guys seemed to be more into them, that the ones that were 'fitter' and with good bodies also.
What I noticed, was that the bigger girls, were way more talkative, and fun to be with, and alwasy in a good mood (or acted like they were). Those were the ones that would be making more money every night.

girlnew156
11-10-2005, 09:11 PM
Well, tell ya what. I'm not a man, but I think I know what a man wants in a woman.
I am sort of bi, so I know what I want in a woman.
But thes are my purely subjective view points of what is desirable.

And now I am equating what is desirable with beauty.

Well, pretty is as pretty does. Nobody owes you a damn thing for being pretty.
God given gift. You wanna sit around and waste it, that is your choice.
Damn, get out there and do something with it.
Me, I prefer to leave a trail of destroyed men and their empty billl folds.
But that is just me.

caligrl23
11-10-2005, 11:31 PM
I just wanted to make a comment because I used to bartend at a strip club a while back ago before I decided to dance myself. This is what I have observed about "pretty" girls vs. "not so pretty girls" and why the "not so pretty girls" would get more dances. Here is an example of a real scenario that I encountered time and time again with custy's that would sit at the bar........................

The really pretty girls do not know how to hustle as well. A girl at my club who was definetely a 10+ walked up to a guy and said hi. The guy gets all excited because she is hot and ask her if she wants to have a drink. She said yes and then they end up sitting there like two bumps on a log. She looks bored after a couple of minutes, the guy starts getting nervous because he is running out of things to say to her. She finally says......"do you want a dance." By then the guy is so bored and feels uneasy with her that he say "not right now." She huffed and walked away and the guy turns to me and says "she's kind of bitchy."

The "not so pretty girl" walks up exuding all this fun with her bubbly personality. It was as if "fun" was leaking from her pores. She made this same guy feel good. She would laugh at his jokes, rub his shoulders. By the time the "not so pretty girl" asked the same guy for a dance, he said "sure, why not."

This difference happens every day in the strip club. Trust me. I used to see it all the time. So don't get too hung up on looks. You should try to look your best but it's not the end of the world if you are not a 10 :)

london
11-11-2005, 08:36 AM
Minah, I agree with you about people expecting you to be snobby because you are pretty and even moreso when you are educated...They mistake the way you carry yourself and misinterpret it as if you think you are holier than thou when really you stick out because you ARE different from the other girls. I think it's better for a pretty, cultured dancer to go to clubs with customers who are more like them where people pick up on your vibe as opposed to a club where people think U think you're hot stuff when you think you're just acting natural. I've gone up to guys with a normal, happy smile and small cute greeting in average clubs and they would compliment me for 'sounding smart'...immediately asked me what I was studying and then immediately turned off when I told them (intimidation, I dunno?)....but in better clubs it made them get champage rooms with me!

DylanAngel
11-11-2005, 10:27 AM
^^^I can agree on the point about being educated (not the too pretty part unfortunately). There are a few people who think I'm stuck up because I'm well spoken. It used to bother me but now I just see it as THEIR insecurity. It's not like I use 50 letter words or anything. I just refuse to pull the dumb act when I'm not...I'm just me. Take it or leave it.

Pure
11-11-2005, 11:34 AM
In this whole beautiful vs. average debate i've noticed another reason why"average" girls might be making more money. There is a definite discrepancy on how hustling is viewed. Justine08 touched on this. In my experience when a gorgeous woman is trying to get a customer to buy a dance he feels hustled. Even if she's genuinley nice and sweet, he's convinced that she's just selling him. However, when a less attractive girl approaches a customer and gets her hustle on the reaction is more of a "she's just doing her job", "you girls are here to make money" type of response. For whatever reason some customers buy into the whole Average= approachable, friendly,just doin' her job, Beautiful=bitch ,stone cold hustler. Just my 2 cents........ but I agree that everyone has to perfect thier own hustle no matter how you look, laziness won't pay no bills.

vegasbebe
11-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Maybe your idea of a pretty women isn't the national idea of what "pretty" is... maybe it's only at Lake Geneva standards. Sorry to be blunt.



Dude, I Started dancing in Lake Geneva, and I'm straight up beautiful, so I don't know what you're talking about. I now dance at the best club in Vegas so...yeah...but thanks for insulting my home town!

doc-catfish
11-11-2005, 02:01 PM
In my experience when a gorgeous woman is trying to get a customer to buy a dance he feels hustled. Even if she's genuinley nice and sweet, he's convinced that she's just selling him. However, when a less attractive girl approaches a customer and gets her hustle on the reaction is more of a "she's just doing her job", "you girls are here to make money" type of response. For whatever reason some customers buy into the whole Average= approachable, friendly,just doin' her job, Beautiful=bitch ,stone cold hustler.
To truly understand this, you have to understand the psyche of a man who is used to being rejected by physically attractive women in real life. When socializaion wires it into his brain that he is never going to be considered attractive by a hot gal, any attempt by an attractive woman to feign interest in him (like a '10' approaching him in a strip club) is going to likely fail. Its damned near impossible for such a guy to suspend his disbelief that such a dancer actually likes him for him. Any notion of him coming in to the club to enjoy the company of a "hot" dancer is kaput. He's seen too many gals like that, and too many fake porn magazine bios to make him believe that its about anything other than the money.

Yet the '7' dancer can do almost the exact same thing, and land a sale, sometimes several, because she doesn't have as an attractive (intimidating) of an exterior, and she's able to slip under the customer's radar and make him buy into her charms. She looks like the kind of woman that he knows that he could have.

miabella
11-11-2005, 02:17 PM
i've found a certain amount of intimate gestures can help on that front, if a girl is very attractive. i am probably a 9 or something similar, and a lot of guys give me that 'you just want my money!' thing. and when i give them certain sorts of looks and just act as though they are very sexually appealing, suddenly i have a sale on my hands.

Amethyst
11-11-2005, 02:42 PM
I'm not going to rate myself, but I'm often told I'm pretty intimidating (how when I'm such a dork is beyond me, but okay).

When I feel like a guy might be intimidated by me, I say something playfully self-deprecating, like how I trip onstage just about every single night (true) or something else funny. Depending on the night, I can turn on the either the "diva" or the "girl-next-door" routine. The girl-next-door works most of times, as I find the diva sometimes turns normally nice men into assholes. I guess they get a kick out of trying to knock me off my throne. OTC, I'm more hippie-girl-next-door, so since that's a natural attitude, I'm more comfortable, making men more comfortable approaching me (ITC or OTC).

millionsof_peaches
11-11-2005, 06:40 PM
I have been pissed more than a few times when I have been passed over or lied to, only to have a guy go with a girl less attractive than me. There are times when it was obvious that it was due to extra's (even small ones, sometimes the guys like the gf experience and I am not about to swap spit with these guys - a little too intimate for me), other times because she was more personable than me, occasionally it turns out they figured she needed the $$ more, & some days I realized later that it was my own fault - I was just being a big 'ol bitch & thinking they should like me b-cuz I am cute - a sure hustle killer lol. Some want model looks, some want gf exp., some want to feel special or helpful, the list goes on and on. And sometimes, yes, they think they can get more "mileage" from a girl who is not a '10".
I *have* noticed that, in my club, as I have gained weight, i have gained more apeal w/ some ethnicities, but have to work harder to get $$ from the white boys, esp the white collar guys. Soooo many reasons! Men are as fickle and confusing as we are. Just my 2 cents

vegasbebe
11-11-2005, 09:24 PM
Definitely. White collar guys seem to prefer very very skinny girls. I had more than one old rich white dude say that I had a "nice ample figure" when I gained weight one time...yeah, I was 5'1" and 108, so if that qualifies as a full figure...umm...yeah...wierdos.