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Sporty LMAO our should we call you "Father Sporty" LOL
Dude-Nearby
08-16-2003, 04:42 AM
Based on the last posts on this tread .. it would seem that some customers here are in luv w/ their ATFs. {enough said}
As far as these "Extras" are concerned.
NY-ICE!
I try not to get attached ... hard to do but a must since "extras" are a common thing in all states. Maybe not all clubs but at least one club in every state.
It's money under the table, TAX FREE!
2 willing people in the mood for beyond the rules, why not make extra money while doing it ???
big_daddy
11-07-2003, 07:15 PM
Ok I have been going to strip clubs for a few years now and I have yet got any "extras"or been offered any. When you get them are you getting a dance that's longer than one song like half hour dances? I have only gotten them by the song. I guess I really never thought of getting them by the half hour. I don't really know what kind of extras I would except but if I'm never offered how will I find out? :)
P.S how long does it take to get the "newbie member" off our names?
fishnet
11-07-2003, 11:59 PM
Hi BD:
JM asked exactly the same question almost word for word on May 27th. His thread is called "Extras." Type it in the search window. Be sure your search dates back that far otherwise you will only get posts the last 7 days. He got 4 pages of responses. If Chuck is in a really good mood, he might even attach your post to the thread to move it up for you. LOL! :D
Not sure the exact number but around 50 posts you become a regular member. Keep posting. ;)
cardinal
12-17-2003, 11:49 AM
9. Oral sex on her :P
SportsWriter2
09-01-2004, 08:10 AM
This thread was mostly about dancer reasons. The thread with the Extras List has been revived on the General Board.
Katrine
09-01-2004, 11:43 AM
There is no point in discussing these kinds of things on the PinkSite or in the club. Mystery is what keeps the big $$ rolling in, with or without the extras....
PS-its all about the greed baby!
We have two "Extras" threads going simultaneously. Probably should merge them but Im not sure how. I'll check with JZ...he's better at this stuff than I am.
FBR
keira
08-18-2006, 10:36 AM
Has anyone here even realised, extras are illegal in strip clubs. (I'm speaking of sex, hand jobs and the like) Most people don't even go to strip clubs for that. God I wish you guys in the states would hurry up and legalise prostitution as far away from stripping as possible so the two industrys could be properly seperated. Works brilliantly out here.
strip clubs = strips
brothels = prostitution
Anyone who is doing extras in or from a strip club (or accepting them for that matter) has got nothing to be proud of. Providing a legitamate prostitution service is one thing, mascarading as a stripper to drum up business tarnishing the industry in the process is quite another. This sort of thing does nothing for the industry, any wonder there are so many right wing groups who want to shut strip clubs down with stuff like this going on.
I'm not a whore and I resent people implying extras in clubs are OK, even the norm, they go against club policy, professional policy and are totally illegal, clubs get shut down for stuff like that. It's underhanded, selfish, irrisponsible and totally unnessasary. If a girl wants to prostitute herself do it in a brothel/escort service/from home etc don't screw up a legit business. Here brothels are legal so girls have no excuse. What's more they test the sex workers for STDs, no test no work, so I hope you guys know what an STD looks like, know what constitutes safe sex and are practicing it because you've got no safe guards and your kidding yourself if you think your the only one she's doing it with.
Extras girls don't last long here, if they are not fired on the spot they get lynched. Clubs who even allow dancers like that to work there get raided and shut down, one in particular was run as a cover for another illegal operation and one of my customers had a gun pulled on him, the private rooms were littered not with condom wrappers but with empty discarded drug bags, the prospect of illicit sex may be appealing but are you sure these are the kind of places you want to be going to?
lunchbox
08-18-2006, 02:17 PM
To think, this thread woud have been dead for a full 2 years, in two weeks...
Oh yeah, nice rant, fuck you to.
Cally
08-18-2006, 03:59 PM
Ugh.. I used to bitch about extras(which by the way means MANY different things) in the club but in all reality its always going to happen. We do work in the SEX industry. Guys come to the club looking for many different things be it a simple dance, having a lovely lady sit on his lap and talk or a HJ/BJ/FS.. Just because other girls do it doesnt mean you have to. So no point in ranting just suck it up n deal with it. :) Also your post offends me.. you just called me a whore... I think I may go cry now.. Oh.. keep your pinky rant on the pink side. *goes off to give lunchbox his 7 oclock hand job*
mr_punk
08-18-2006, 04:47 PM
To think, this thread woud have been dead for a full 2 years, in two weeks...<shrug> biatches. what are you gonna do?
Has anyone here even realised, extras are illegal in strip clubs. (I'm speaking of sex, hand jobs and the like)why, no. the thought never occurred to us until you mentioned it. so, when tiffany is spitting the fruits of her labor into a cocktail napkin. are you saying that's not part of dancing? interesting, we've never heard that one before. it's sheer genius.
Anyone who is doing extras in or from a strip club (or accepting them for that matter) has got nothing to be proud of.i don't know about that. once, i exclaimed in shock and surprise to a stripper,"sh#t! do you have a gag reflex?". she giggled (obviously, after she wetly and noisily extracted willy from the back of her throat) and replied proudly, "LOL..i like doing that to guys". hey, i'm not going to argue with her. she should be proud of her talent.}:D
Providing a legitamate prostitution service is one thing, mascarading as a stripper to drum up business tarnishing the industry in the process is quite another."tarnishing the industry"? ummm..doesn't your industry have to possess a good reputation to be tarnished? i'm just saying...
Extras girls don't last long here, if they are not fired on the spot they get lynched.wow, you gals seem pretty hardcore over there. here in the US, the ladies seem to settle for plain eyeball clawing and pulling plugs of horse hair out of each other scalps.
the prospect of illicit sex may be appealing but are you sure these are the kind of places you want to be going to?why, of course not. in fact, in order to avoid them. you should tell us exactly where these places exist and exactly which strippers are getting nasty. after all, we wouldn't want to tarnish our good reputations.
Docido
08-18-2006, 04:55 PM
Oo, Oo, Oo, Cally can I be your 7:15 HJ appointment? Please!!! Please!!! :D
In all seriousness, the extras cat is out of the bag. And have you ever tried to herd cats? It's next to impossible isn't it? Dancers can and do make good money in clubs where extras take place. It's all a matter of finding your niche clientele and selling to that sector. Yes, it's much harder, but it can be done. In my home club (where there are Houston type levels of depravity) one of the top sellers is as clean as Mother Theresa’s cooter. She does it by using her personality, conversational skills, and dance abilities to make her custies feel like for at least one night they are Brad ‘flippin’ Pitt. Sometimes there is more to a quasi –sex experience than friction.
PS the guys who don't want extras already know all the facts of your little rant. The extras hounds won't care.
doc-catfish
08-18-2006, 05:35 PM
God I wish you guys in the states would hurry up and legalise prostitution as far away from stripping as possible so the two industrys could be properly seperated. Works brilliantly out here.
I wish our illustrious politicians in the states had your line of thinking. Unfortunately, they seem to be going the opposite route. This is in fact one reason extras tend to flourish most prolifically in U.S. cities which ironically enough have the most regulatory environment regarding "non-extras" activities (which essentially makes those activities extras as well).
I mean if a gal can be charged with the exact same crime for doing a $20 lap dance versus giving a guy a $300 BJ, I can't really blame her for looking at that conundrum mathematically.
keira
08-18-2006, 09:31 PM
Woah, settle, I didn't call anyone a whore but I'm not going to apologise for upholding an industry standard, if you don't like critisism then either don't do it or pertition to have prostitution legalised.
When people associate the two industrys (adult entertainment and sex industrys are not the same thing out here) it means girls who stick to the rules have to put up with people thinking that we do the same thing, including people who I have to deal with on a day to day basis that know what I do who only have what they see in the public domain to go on and are not yet enlightened enough to not judge people for their choice to enter into prostitution, some of them find it hard enough to digest stripping. I already have to deal with the stigma of being a stripper, I'm not about to carry the additional stigma of something I don't even do. If the two were split up or if there were at least specific clubs legally purpose built for it set apart from the ones who were not we'd all be better off. It's not "extras" I have a problem with it's when they are marketed as stripping.
miabella
08-18-2006, 10:05 PM
stripping is part of the sex industry. that is why extras exist, and will always exist.
Cally
08-18-2006, 11:22 PM
You are naked, you are imitating sex acts, you make guys horny.. that makes it the sex industry.
Sweetheart if you cant handle it then get the fuck out. Because seriously as long as stripping has existed there has been some sort of sexual act involved.
Oh.. prostitution *IS* legal in many many areas.. and umm.. where I live I dont think there isnt a single strip club that doesnt have sex going on somewhere.
Hell I watched a girl fuck the shit out of a guy across from me while I was giving my customer a blow job and the girl next to me was giving a hand job.. and on the other side of me two girls were fucking the same guy. Its life, it happens.
Stripping is a sexual act.. thats why many people consider it foreplay ;)
So go run back to the pink side.. your arguments wont go anywhere, your stating shit we already know.
Okay I had to edit this because I know she will flame me for thinking I gave a guy a blow job.. I only give hand jobs.. and if the guy offers enough yea i'll think about a blow job :biggrin: But my dances stick to heavy grinding and all dat fun shite.
NoCoverLover
08-19-2006, 01:36 AM
Hell I watched a girl fuck the shit out of a guy across from me while I was giving my customer a blow job and the girl next to me was giving a hand job.. and on the other side of me two girls were fucking the same guy. Its life, it happens.
I highly doubt you would ever give anyone a blow job on your job. You are not at all like that. Stop staying shit like that, because I know it's not true!
keira
08-19-2006, 05:38 AM
Actually stripping is about fantasy, prostitution is about the act itself, those terms are clearly defined by law over here. It's defined in everything from what level and type of contact constitutes prostitution to what girls do and don't do in xxx agency shows to fall into one category or the other, what's more if your doing it on a licensed premises or under a variety of other conditions outside the designated areas it is a criminal offence, bye bye OS visas. It may be the case where you live that most clubs do extras but here it won't wash. Sure girls try it but if you do them here it is you who ends up in early retirement.
I don't really care if you do extras but don't try and justify it by claiming it's the industry norm.
mr_punk
08-19-2006, 06:04 AM
Woah, settle, I didn't call anyone a whore but I'm not going to apologise for upholding an industry standardLOL...are you talking about the official industry standard (ie: strippers are super models/nobel prize winners/temple virgins who are an unattainable fantasy.) or the unofficial industry standard (ie: club owner: will you biatches stop flushing cocktail napkins down the toliet. plumbing costs are costing me a fortune!)?
I already have to deal with the stigma of being a stripper, I'm not about to carry the additional stigma of something I don't even do.i see. so, you can deal with the stigma of being an empty-headed, dick-rubbing, gold-digging, home wrecking, wino/crackhead jezebel. however, the additional stigma of giving a customer blowjob is just too much for your seemingly, broad shoulders to bear. have you ever heard of the phrase,"in for a penny, in for a pound"?
It's not "extras" I have a problem with it's when they are marketed as stripping.frankly, sometimes it seems like you ladies are more interested in your reputation with other strippers than anything else.
Actually stripping is about fantasy, prostitution is about the act itself, those terms are clearly defined by law over here. It's defined in everything from what level and type of contact constitutes prostitution to what girls do and don't do in xxx agency shows to fall into one category or the other, what's more if your doing it on a licensed premises or under a variety of other conditions outside the designated areas it is a criminal offence, bye bye OS visas. It may be the case where you live that most clubs do extras but here it won't wash. Sure girls try it but if you do them here it is you who ends up in early retirement. I don't really care if you do extras but don't try and justify it by claiming it's the industry norm.officially, it's the same way over here. unoffically, that may not be the case at all. in some instances, they have the unoffical blessing (in exchange for a brown paper bag full of cheese) of the powers that be.
Docido
08-19-2006, 06:04 AM
Here we go again! ::)
miabella
08-19-2006, 06:19 AM
oh god, i cannot believe she brought the fantasy argument over here. hahahahahahaha.
whoo boy.
well, something to start my day out with a laugh.
Cally
08-19-2006, 10:11 AM
oh god, i cannot believe she brought the fantasy argument over here. hahahahahahaha.
whoo boy.
well, something to start my day out with a laugh.
:rotfl: I just thought the same thing. Oh boy... this could get entertaining lmao!! Its to bad im going away tomorrow and wont get to follow this because this is going to get fun :biggrin:
Okay... all I have to say is.. and this is a shock to my system. I agree with Mr Punk :O
Honestly why do you give a shit what other girls do? If your making money as a 'clean' dancer then shut up and deal with it. If you dont like the industry then I repeat.. get the fuck out.
xdamage
08-21-2006, 07:03 AM
oh god, i cannot believe she brought the fantasy argument over here. hahahahahahaha.
whoo boy.
well, something to start my day out with a laugh.
I'm reasonably sure this is one of those topics that there will never be complete agreement on because it involves sex, and how you perceive it depends on how the situation affects you (or benefits you) personally.
For most dancers, where you draw your boundaries, and your sense of moral right or wrong for yourself (and how you think others perceive you) is of utmost importance to you. From that point of view this topic is no laughing matter.
If you are a customer, it seems to us where dancers draw their lines is almost arbitrary, a big grey scale from dancers who follow the law to the letter to dancers who are full service prostitutes in and out of the club. We see a certain humor in it then when one dancer draws her lines just a little short of another, and has an attitude about it when another dancer draws her line a bit farther out.
If you are an outsider, you generally don't think about stripping at all, or for some, they group all dancers and customers into the category of basically being whores and johns.
If you are an SO whose husband/bf is spending the families money on some stripper(s), you may not care at all if the stripper follows the laws to the letter. Just the thought of hubby spending the family $$'s to have some other woman turning him on and grinding on his dick (even if it is through his pants) is close enough to prostitution.
Casual Observer
08-21-2006, 01:02 PM
stripping is part of the sex industry. that is why extras exist, and will always exist.
Well said, and concisely so.
<S> miabella
azcustomer
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
A newbie rant on the blue side. }:D
Woah, settle, I didn't call anyone a whore but I'm not going to apologise for upholding an industry standard, if you don't like critisism then either don't do it or pertition to have prostitution legalised.
Um, none of the gals here consider your post criticism, just an idiocit rant. And if you don't like it, go back to Australia.
When people associate the two industrys (adult entertainment and sex industrys are not the same thing out here) it means girls who stick to the rules have to put up with people thinking that we do the same thing,
... are you claiming that you've never had sex with someone because of something they gave you, a nice night out, etc? Guess what? You do the same thing, you're just kidding yourself if you say that you don't.
I can hear the response already...{but, but, but, that night was SPECIAL}:(
including people who I have to deal with on a day to day basis that know what I do who only have what they see in the public domain to go on and are not yet enlightened enough to not judge people for their choice to enter into prostitution, some of them find it hard enough to digest stripping.
And do you really care about those people who can't digest stripping? PLLLLEAASE! GMAFB
I already have to deal with the stigma of being a stripper, I'm not about to carry the additional stigma of something I don't even do. It doesn't matter what actually happens ITC, there are those guys who are quiet and never tell, so you don't live with stigma from them. Then there are braggarts who will make stuff up regardless, so you'll live with their stigma. Chill out and think about karma and the types of people you WANT to care about.
If the two were split up or if there were at least specific clubs legally purpose built for it set apart from the ones who were not we'd all be better off. It's not "extras" I have a problem with it's when they are marketed as stripping.
I know many of the blue posters will agree with me on this one. One gal's "extras" are included in another gal's regular lapdance. There are generally two types of experienced customers - those customers who look to find what the gal enjoys doing during her lapdance to coax her deeper into badass/sexy stripper personna, and those customers who try hard to find where her own personal 'line of inappropriateness' is and get her to cross it.
Why the f**k are you trying to control other people?
Please, someone give this gal a Michael Ruiz book!
azcustomer
08-21-2006, 09:28 PM
If you are an SO whose husband/bf is spending the families money on some stripper(s), you may not care at all if the stripper follows the laws to the letter. Just the thought of hubby spending the family $$'s to have some other woman turning him on and grinding on his dick (even if it is through his pants) is close enough to prostitution.
Seriously, I KNOW that the SO's who get upset about the husband spending money on another woman grinding on him is more upset about HER losing control of the relationship of said dick and wallet.
I love it when I hear wives/SO's complain about men "spending money on HER" for anything. This could be a female assistant, a waitress, a stripper, a prostitute, it doesn't matter. What she's more upset about is him NOT GIVING THE MONEY TO THE WIFEY/SO.
Ladies - Please be aware that when men give money to other women, they are not "spending money on HER" they are "spending money on HIM" - His dick, his ego, and yes, HIS WALLET.
xdamage
08-22-2006, 07:13 AM
Why the f**k are you trying to control other people?
It seems to come down to a few things (in no particular order):
1) Competition. Dancers don't want to compete with other girls that offer more then they do. However don't confuse this with the issue of "breaking the law" as most strippers (at least in the U.S.) do more then the law allows. Still, when cornered a newbie stripper will sometimes raise the issue of the "law" as her reasoning. By which she means, the law as it pertains to her ability to compete with the other girls, but not the law in the strict sense of following it.
2) Morales. Even though "morales" is often treated as a dirty word, strippers are raised in the same society as everyone else and raised with the same ideas of what is generally right and wrong. While it is considered not cool to be "morale" (worse still is to be seen as a hypocrit) many strippers look down on the extras girls as "dirty whores". Intellectually maybe not, but emotionally they have many of the same feelings about whores that the general public has.
3) Perception. It's tied in with morales. They really don't want others to perceive them as whores even though the definition of what is a whore is a big grey scale. There is already a lot of stigma associated with being a stripper.
4) Relationships. Many strippers have a RL relationship, and their SO has limits on how much sex for $$s they will allow.
5) Personal limiits. All of the above aside, different people place different amounts of meaning on sex and their sense of their own body and how much they are willing to share casuallly. Even FS prostitutes generally have limits. So a stripper may intertwine her feelings about her personal limits with how she feels about the other girls whose limits are set further out (people tend to dislike what they don't understand or can't relate too).
xdamage
08-22-2006, 09:00 AM
Seriously, I KNOW that the SO's who get upset about the husband spending money on another woman grinding on him is more upset about HER losing control of the relationship of said dick and wallet.
Sure, a woman can have multiple intertwined reasons for objecting to the husband or BF spending money on strippers. Basically her man is spending resources on another women (financial resources, but also physical, and possibly emotional - just look at how many guys get emotionally wrapped up in their strippers). But that's to be expected. Most guys would feel more or less the same if their woman was spending several hundred dollars of their family money on some hunks to rub their clit, more so if their woman was becoming emotionally involved with the hunk, or if she lost sexual interest in her husband/bf because he wasn't as sexy as the paid for hunk.
But my point in context though was simply that for the SO, lap dancing can meet the definition of "whorish" behavior (extras from their point of view) since it's sexual stimulation for $$s. While the stripper is thinking I'm not an extras girl because I only do light hand stimulation through the pants (sure, that's not allowed by law but it's not really extras because its through the clothes), the SO is thinking "dirty rotten whore". There is really no absolute definition though. It's a big grey scale. Different people choose different points on that grey scale that best suits their own interests.
I think extras are a personal choice of the stripper and has nothing to do
with looks. The club I go to 90% of the strippers offer them but I can think
of two beautifull ones that never offered.