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CarGuy
12-14-2006, 05:50 AM
I have several clients that are car salesmen. I am not selling someone something they don't want or need. If they don't want to plan for their future or invest, I am not going to beg them. If they can't afford me, then they need to give me referrals of someone who can......


It's not about want or need...its about if the person selling their service is capable and convincing enough.

Begging does not work anyway.

Most succesful people in sales can certainly "Afford" you, it is up to you to convince them to spend their money with you.

xdamage
12-20-2006, 02:10 PM
So I'm back from LV. What a great time. I managed to turn down the prostitution offers again, so no guilty feelings going home, but I was tempted more than once. Highlights of the trip included:

o Started the trip with awesome VIP session at O.G.s with a hot brunette. She suggested we meet up Monday a few times, but I passed because I probably would have gotten into trouble, and I'm not there to try and meet a GF, a hooker, or to be some girls SD. BTW OGs has been fixed up. It's a great place to go again. They now have two full stages with poles, and private booths around the perimeter of the floor (where for a few bucks tip to the floor people you can arrange to close the drapes for some semi-privacy).

o Dinner at Nobu' in the Hard Rock Hotel with one of the most beautiful women I've ever met (also a dancer at OGs). Perfect bod, face, and incredible kisser. Passed on the offer to take it private. Dinner though I didn't mind - I had to eat anyway, and the whole experience is much more enjoyable with a girl who smells good, and knows how to hug and kiss.

o Some spectacular meals at a variety of restaurants. Too bad a lot of places are closed this time of year.

o Visited Seamless a couple of times. This is very clean and classy club, but lower mileage, that turns into a nightclub after 4am. Many of the strippers hang out after hours and still sell dances, some go home, some just hang out to drink. Pretty cool concept, and while they have filled club a variety of girls, there were very few girls working here that are not very hot. The managers are clearly looking to fill this place with quality over mileage quantity (though some would argue they are the same ;))

The Unisex bathroom concept is cool, drinks are reasonably priced, and the club layout is well thought out, except for the stage area. This place thumps and someone had the not so great idea to place the sub-woofers up under the stage. After sitting there for about 15mins I was nearly deaf.

The only downside here is the hustle factor is very high. I arrived Saturday, hoping to kick back and have a few drinks first, and was deludged by girls who wanted to do the SS small talk. One mousey asian girl sat there for 10 mins blabbing - I was ready to kill her since she wouldn't take a hint and STFU. Finally I got up, and grabbed some brunette, and begged her to save me from the mouse. Turns out she is drop dead gorgeous too, peaceful, soft voice, romantic, warns me about be careful of the waitresses how the drink scam works, doesn't ever ask about the VIP, one of the few women I've met that I could see myself turning PL over (well, that or she's a great actress ;)) Anyway very nice. She goes by the stage name Avalon. One of the very few dancers I've met that I'd consider making at trip to go see again.

o My last night in Vegas I swung by Scores but wasn't impressed. There were lots of girls, but nothing that interested me. So I head back over to Seamless then to have a drink thinking I'll make it an early night, when I end up meeting a hot mexican/peurto rican dancer. I end up staying until morning talking with her about pretty much everything intermixed with a handful of dances. I told her to go ahead and work the floor, but she choose to stay and chat. The interesting part though is she ends up telling me these books she has been reading on genetics and human nature (not the same books I've been reading) but I'm just sitting there awestruck, here I am listening to a proclaimed feminist, that's telling me she likes men but men and women are different in some ways, how it's our differences and sex drive that motivates us a species to better ourselves, she is telling me about genetic differences between men and women and physical differences of their brain mass and structure, how differences doesn't mean not-equal just different, how the women she works with are mostly airheads who don't understand men (or women), about human's tendencies to oversimply complex social problems, and so on. I'm just like the WTF? Someone must have warned her I was coming. If nothing else, that alone made the evening worth every penny.

Richard_Head
12-20-2006, 09:16 PM
o Started the trip with awesome VIP session at O.G.s with a hot brunette. She suggested we meet up Monday a few times, but I passed because I probably would have gotten into trouble, and I'm not there to try and meet a GF, a hooker, or to be some girls SD. Was she a Polish girl by any chance??



BTW OGs has been fixed up. It's a great place to go again. They now have two full stages with poles, and private booths around the perimeter of the floor (where for a few bucks tip to the floor people you can arrange to close the drapes for some semi-privacy).I really like the remodel too, it was long overdue.

Too bad I'm back on my Vegas hiatus!

xdamage
12-21-2006, 08:22 AM
Was she a Polish girl by any chance??


No, she was very much an American girl with long brunette hair, natural Bs, a few tattoos (not my usual thing but I liked them on her), and smokey eyes. I forget her stage name, but remember her real name because we took a few minutes out to chat about our personal lives. Very cool and likeable personality, and I would have never guessed her real age. One of the best lap dances I've had in terms of knowing how to get me turned on.

I would have spent more time with her, but on the way out of the VIP room she was telling one of her girls that was one of her best VIP room experiences ever, and she wanted to know what we are going to do next. That set off my SS alarm, so I ditched her and spent some money on blond Romanian girl (which I ended up going out to dinner with the next night).

Later in the evening I ran into the brunette again, thanked her for a great time in the VIP room, and she asks "where did you go? ... but I really like you...". But you know how it goes in SCs. No matter how sincere a woman's facial expressions can seem to be, assume everything that's said in the club is SS.


I really like the remodel too, it was long overdue.


Yep. I definitely recommended anyone in LV looking to visit a club check it out.

Bridgette
12-21-2006, 11:17 AM
Xdamage, if the lapdance was that good for you, most likely it was ALSO good for her. Whenver I've had a guy who was just really turned on by my dances, I was having as much fun with it as he was ;D I am sure I'm not that different from other girls in that regard :P


That happened just the other night in fact. This dude was literally shaking at times, and obviously having a great fucking time. I was having alot of fun pushing his buttons and seeing what did it for him, and how much it did it for him. I got fucking turned on myself to the point I came on his leg. LOL!! At the end he asked, "uh, you're having fun with this aren't you?" I was like, fucking DUH dude!! How could I not enjoy pushing someone's buttons so much, and getting sexual satisfaction out of it myself? }:D

Ah, these are the times I love my job the most. hehehe

xdamage
12-21-2006, 11:38 AM
Xdamage, if the lapdance was that good for you, most likely it was ALSO good for her. Whenver I've had a guy who was just really turned on by my dances, I was having as much fun with it as he was ;D I am sure I'm not that different from other girls in that regard :P


Could be true, but customers have to take everything that is said and done with a certain degree of cynicism. Let's just say that by the end she had me half undressed, both of us were sweaty (in a good way), my hands were pushed (by her) into places I normally don't go in the SC, and she had the same fetish I have for two-way nipple play.

The great thing about going to the SC is it's like the ultimate safe sex, and 1 hour therapy session rolled into one. You go in, you completely forget about the real world for a while, you have a fun while keeping the risks low, and then move on. And sometimes you get lucky and meet a dancer that has similar sexual likes and the chemicals flow. Good stuff when it happens.

azdd
12-21-2006, 11:08 PM
I was having alot of fun pushing his buttons and seeing what did it for him, and how much it did it for him. I got fucking turned on myself to the point I came on his leg. LOL!! At the end he asked, "uh, you're having fun with this aren't you?" I was like, fucking DUH dude!! How could I not enjoy pushing someone's buttons so much, and getting sexual satisfaction out of it myself? }:D

Oh god B, I am SOOOO coming to see you at your new club.......(sneaking away now to deal with spontaneous woody) 8)

Bridgette
12-22-2006, 02:51 AM
Xdamage, if you were having that much fun with the stripper and you didn't continue it because she expressed mutual enjoyment, you're a fucken idiot!!!
"she was really fun but I can't dance with HER anymore! she might've been lying that she really liiiiked it!" :dunce:

Now, go stand in the corner!!

Docido
12-22-2006, 04:09 AM
That happened just the other night in fact. This dude was literally shaking at times, and obviously having a great fucking time. I was having alot of fun pushing his buttons and seeing what did it for him, and how much it did it for him. I got fucking turned on myself to the point I came on his leg. LOL!! At the end he asked, "uh, you're having fun with this aren't you?" I was like, fucking DUH dude!! How could I not enjoy pushing someone's buttons so much, and getting sexual satisfaction out of it myself? }:D

I have to get to a club tonight before the perfect strom is over!! Goes to the closet and looks for his sailor cap. 8)

Bridgette
12-22-2006, 04:23 AM
If all you guys keep going to the clubs looking for that "perfect storm", it's not so much a perfect storm is it? Except maybe in favor of the dancers. LOL

Don't let that stop ya though ;D

xdamage
12-22-2006, 08:03 AM
Xdamage, if you were having that much fun with the stripper and you didn't continue it because she expressed mutual enjoyment, you're a fucken idiot!!!
"she was really fun but I can't dance with HER anymore! she might've been lying that she really liiiiked it!" :dunce:

Now, go stand in the corner!!

Well, you have a point, but it was more the "what are we going to do next?" comment she made on the way out of the VIP that had me running. It was early in the evening and my trip to spend my time exclusively with one dancer, and some dancers can become possessive like they own you for the night.

Remember too this is a Vegas club, late December, where the ratio of dancers to customers is about 3 to 1, so lots of other dancers out there to be enjoyed. And enjoying the variety in a SC is part of the fun for me. And I did meet another girl that night who was also fun, and passionate. So you never know.

Under different circumstances, the brunette would have had my undivided attention for as long as she wanted, but it's a SC. No matter how much fun I have with a girl, bottom line is I'm still paying for it, and if I'm going to pay for it, it only makes sense to me to enjoy the variety.

Plus I don't think it's particularly wise for a customer (myself included) to invest too much money or time with any one dancer. Even us jaded customers can end up confusing what is real and what is fantasy when the chemistry is flowing. Remember, you dancers have years of practice, 40+ hours a week doing what you do. Customers like me who visit a SC a couple of trips a year, we're far less practiced at separating real chemistry from SC chemistry. I'd prefer to save that type of single minded desire for a real (aka, non-paid for) relationship, if that makes any sense.

Bridgette
12-22-2006, 08:33 AM
Well, you have a point, but wah waaah wah waah wah wah wah waaaahhhNo butts! Back in the corner :bullwhip:

xdamage
12-22-2006, 09:40 AM
;)
No butts! Back in the corner :bullwhip:

I could see I would have some fun with you Bridgette ... however when it comes to going back to the corner, apparently it's not clear I'm the dominate type }:D

Bridgette
12-22-2006, 10:29 AM
We might have some problems then.



Or maybe not. LOL ;D



However I am disappointed you didn't get the butt pun :butthead:

xdamage
12-22-2006, 12:11 PM
However I am disappointed you didn't get the butt pun :butthead:

Guilty as charged. I blaim it on, ah, uhm, strippers ... for draining away too much blood from my big brain for too many hours Yea, that's it, it's left me brain damaged.

Bridgette
12-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Well, on that note, I am off to drain some blood tonight! HAHA! Stripper = vampire. LOL

Katrine
12-22-2006, 09:21 PM
That set off my SS alarm, so I ditched her and spent some money on blond Romanian girl (which I ended up going out to dinner with the next night).


I got a dance from a blonde Romanian girl last time I was in Vegas. She looked a lot like me too, it was crazy. Slavic thing. I forgot her name though, did she have shoulder length thick wavy hair and smallish but perfect breasts?

xdamage
12-22-2006, 11:45 PM
I got a dance from a blonde Romanian girl last time I was in Vegas. She looked a lot like me too, it was crazy. Slavic thing. I forgot her name though, did she have shoulder length thick wavy hair and smallish but perfect breasts?

Shoulder length hair yes, but no, perfect natural D's. Perfect body type for me - not too heavy, not too thin. I don't really care about breast size all that much, and Ds can be a bit big for some girls, but she looked just great.

God what is it about Romanian girls? They are so fucking hot it's insane.

A related side story... Call the Romanian blonde Miss C. I'm sitting at the stage, bored with the girls that are dancing, but I've so far managed to fend off most of the vulchers and finally have a moment of peace when I spot Miss C across the room. Wow. But oops, she saw that I checked her out, she strolls over and sits herself down and just stares at me, and smiles. I'm like, your hot, but I just want to sit here and chill for a few and enjoy my drink. She is like okay, and keeps staring and smiling. Oh well, that's different then the usual "what's your name, where you from, blah blah" small talk that I'm not so fond of.

Eventually I give in, and I start talking with Miss C about this and that, eventually about her personal life, you know the usual crap. Want to hear a great SS line? She tells me "I don't even want your money, I just want to hear your beautiful words" Is that fucking great or what? Of course she wants money though, and I don't plan to stiff her, however the way we worked it is we headed to a private booth, I bought the drinks, she danced when she felt like it, and she said I could pay her whatever I wanted. A few times her boss stopped in to tell her to cool it, so I paid her boss a few bucks to leave us alone. Still, the floor people stepped in a few times to tell her to tone it down. /hot! And I broke one of my rules about SCs - she had perfect lips, and we started kissing, and while I should regret it, she kissed better then any woman I can remember. Anyway, after a couple of hours I needed to cool off, so I paid her based on what I felt the 2hrs was worth, she was happy with it, suggested we go to the bar, we talked some more, she gave me her phone #, and I arranged dinner for the next night.

Can it can much better? Well sort of. What about two Romanian hotties?

Rewind an hour, Miss C had headed off to the restroom for a minute and her friend, Miss T, pops into our booth and sits herself down. Miss T. is also Romanian, brunette, extremely tight bod and face. I personally prefer Miss C's softer look, but I can't deny that the brunette is a gorgeous woman. I light Miss Ts cigarette, she tells me how lucky Miss C is, and blah blah. Miss Miss C. comes back, a bit drunk, and we start kissing again when she then asks Miss T. to dance for the two of us. At first Miss T. declines, she is not into other girls, and says you two are so hot together I don't want to mess this up. But eventually Miss T. agrees, and ends up doing a full on grind on Little X, while she claims to get turned on watching Miss C and I kiss. I guess you had to be there. I'm not usually a big fan of two dancers, but I wasn't paying for two, and the focus stayed on me vs the usual thing where the two girls focus on each other. Definitely a good time in the SC.

I passed on Miss C's offer to meet up again in my room Saturday night. Although she went out of her way to let me know she is not a whore (her words) I still have some limits to how much guilt I want to go home with, and I'm pretty sure that she would eventually discussed money had we met up. Even I'm not that stupid to think some 25yr old goddess is going to come to my room for free ;)

Katrine
12-23-2006, 12:31 AM
Shit, actually I can't remember if the girl had small breasts or large ones. For some reason I initially remembered small, but I was so jacked up on that trip that the memories overlap. They might have been D's. But she didn't kiss me. Who knows, there can be multiples, all you need is a bottle of Clairol Ultra Blonde.

xdamage
12-23-2006, 12:38 PM
Who knows, there can be multiples, all you need is a bottle of Clairol Ultra Blonde.

/nod She has been working LV for 3 years, so could be, but there are so many girls working in LV chances of meeting the same stripper twice (even at the same club) is small.


Another side story... I mentioned the brunette who I did the 1hr VIP session with. This was only VIP session since I rarely see the point, but we clicked out on the floor. Anyway when we got in there she asked if I had been to OGs before? Yea. Had I been to the VIP room before? Yea. How was it? Okay. She says oh thats good, I hear so many stories from customers that have bad experiences in the VIP. I'm like oh, like what? She says, girls that hustle guys implying they're going to get things they won't be getting, girls that don't disclose the full price until after the guy is in the VIP room, that kind of thing. She seemed reasonably honest, which I surmised from our test LDs on the floor.

So anyway earlier I had noticed this young Marine had come into the club with his buddies, and was watching this tag team work him over. You know what I'm talking about. Girls that work in pairs, implying that the guy is going to get two for one, a 3-way etc. I really wanted to warn this guy, but hey, not my business.

So while I'm in the VIP with the Brunette, guess who enters the VIP and sits in the booth next to us? Yep, the Marine and the tag-team. It was almost painful to listen to this guy. He had never spent more then $40 on strippers before. The drink girl was hitting him up for drinks for three, at VIP room rates. There was an extra cost for the extra girl. They were trying to figure out if they could charge the remainder of the $800 to his credit card, and the girls were telling him he needed $100 to tip the door guy, so on. And he is totally stressed as it starts to sink in how many $$s he is in for, and that he is getting nothing for it. He was probably out a grand and for a young Marine that's a lot of money, just to sit on a couch with two chicks that didn't do anything he couldn't have had on the floor for $20 a dance.

The brunette and I both just stopped at the same time, and reflected on our earlier conversation.

Bridgette
12-23-2006, 06:04 PM
Meh. The young marine could've said no at anytime. But he didn't. I don't see why he should be pitied.

A fool and his money will soon part. I feel no sympathy for fools.

xdamage
12-23-2006, 07:21 PM
Meh. The young marine could've said no at anytime. But he didn't. I don't see why he should be pitied.

A fool and his money will soon part. I feel no sympathy for fools.

Young men are (generally speaking) fools in the presence of attractive women. I feel some pity for him, but he probably wouldn't have learned any other way but the hard way. Lesson learned.

Bridgette
12-23-2006, 07:41 PM
Eh. So what if young ones are foolish? Aren't we all? I wonder how many young chics that marine has boinked after leading them on and then tossed them aside to cry. It's all the same. Fools get punished - if they learn their lesson then great. If not, well, survival of the fittest applies.

xdamage
12-23-2006, 08:12 PM
Oh, I really wasn't defending him. That's the way it works at the clubs. If a guy can't manage his budget in the presence of hot women, oh well, don't go. And yea, I have no doubt that if he had an opportunity to use, he wouldn't think twice about doing it. It's the way the world works.

Casual Observer
12-24-2006, 12:04 PM
Plus I don't think it's particularly wise for a customer (myself included) to invest too much money or time with any one dancer. Even us jaded customers can end up confusing what is real and what is fantasy when the chemistry is flowing.

Eh...I disagree. I try to one or two girls per club that suit me as that just seems more comfortable, more organic and more appealing. Truth be told, naked chicks aren't the draw of the strip club for me and haven't been in years; it's really the interaction that can happen there that matters most.

As to determining what's real interest and what's SS, it's not hard to figure out; when in doubt (which has happened on occasion) I just ask. Any iota of prevarication means SS.

Even in an SC, fortune still favors the bold.

yoda57us
12-24-2006, 01:38 PM
Plus I don't think it's particularly wise for a customer (myself included) to invest too much money or time with any one dancer. Even us jaded customers can end up confusing what is real and what is fantasy when the chemistry is flowing. Remember, you dancers have years of practice, 40+ hours a week doing what you do.

I couldn't disagree more. It's all ABOUT the chemistry...Sure dancers have had a lot of practice at being dancers but, if you've been paying attention, we as men have had a lot of practice dealing with women. I don't really buy into the theory that dancers have some magic power that other women don't have. They are just naked and presenting themselves as available. The naked part is tough to overlook but the phony flirtation stuff is just pure SS and we all know it (don't we???). Once you get past that I'd rather spend time and money on someone whose company I enjoy. Of course, I'm old, I have trouble accepting change just for the sake of change.;)

doc-catfish
12-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Immediate logic would perhaps dictate that in an environment where we are abound with choices, it would be wise to spread the love around and enjoy the variety, and we more than likely will, BUT...

Its simply in our nature to gravitate our time and attention (and therefore money) towards favorites. Even at the stage only club with a five dancer rotation I frequented in college, I had a fave gal who got tipped more than the others.

I used to enjoy having dances with a variety of girls when hitting a fresh new club, but I've noticed over the last couple of years that even in that "new" environment, it has usually been a single dancer, two at the most that ended up selling me every dance I bought. I don't even think its due to confusion on my part. Its more a matter of preferring quality over quantity.

xdamage
12-24-2006, 03:06 PM
I prefer the variety Then again I limit my visits to a handful of times per year. Given the rarity of my visits, I don't intend to go often enough to need a regular, and I enjoy the experience of the new, and no ties so if it's not working out I can move on and try something else. I guess I just don't see the point of limiting myself to one woman if I'm paying for it.

As far as the chemistry goes, and being able to read women... Well, I'm a guy, and like most guys I have an ego and want to believe I read women right. But I've learned not to trust my feelings on the matter. I look at the facts, and not what I feel. If a girl asks to take it OTC for some non-paid for time, then it's possible there is something going on there. That happens from time to time. If a girl stays, and dances for free, or spends the evening on my lap, or with her arms around me, and refuses to go persue other customers because she says she is having fun just being with me and talking when she could be making money, I accept that as some evidence that it's not just about money. OTOH if her conversation ultimately steers back to money, then I assume the chemistry is in my head only.

Still, going to the SC and limiting my experience to one woman feels like going to a buffet and limiting myself to one food. Seems like an odd place to me not to experience the variety, and you know, I've had an incredibly good time with some strippers I'd have never met if I limited myself to the first girl I felt comfy with.

I suppose if you go a lot more then I go you'll ultimately narrow it down to a few dancers you prefer. I'm not enough of a junkie to spend enough time in anyone club to narrow it down.

yoda57us
12-24-2006, 03:55 PM
I like your buffet analogy X. I enjoy a good buffet as well but I seldom try new dishes. I almost always go for my proven favorites.

I don't think sticking with the same favorites in a club (or bunch of clubs) is necessarily limiting yourself but I think you've got a point about preferences being tied in to how often you visit. My visits have gone way down over the past couple of years. Email and cell phones being fairly anonymous I am able to keep in touch with the ladies I want to see in between visits.

Many of my favorites have retired and I find myself less inclined to go into clubs looking for new ones.

Casual Observer
12-24-2006, 08:11 PM
Many of my favorites have retired and I find myself less inclined to go into clubs looking for new ones.

Just this week, my ATF retired due to injury; there are no more girls at my home club worth seeing. Will probably venture out next month in search of new girls, but based on my last three or four trips out, I seem to have a tough time just buying dances, nevermind cultivating regulars.

FBR
12-25-2006, 12:00 PM
Just this week, my ATF retired due to injury; there are no more girls at my home club worth seeing. Will probably venture out next month in search of new girls, but based on my last three or four trips out, I seem to have a tough time just buying dances, nevermind cultivating regulars.

I think for many junkies the enjoyment can be cyclical. You gorge yourself spending lots of time and money but then at some point your desires wanes. Honest evaluation of you bank account...fav disappears...other life resonsibilities calling you...or maybe just temporary burnout sets in. Slow and steady probably makes more sense but it aint easy sometimes.

FBR

yoda57us
12-25-2006, 12:29 PM
I think for many junkies the enjoyment can be cyclical. You gorge yourself spending lots of time and money but then at some point your desires wanes. Honest evaluation of you bank account...fav disappears...other life resonsibilities calling you...or maybe just temporary burnout sets in. Slow and steady probably makes more sense but it aint easy sometimes.

FBR

Good points FBR. For me, the retirement of my ATF almost four years ago completely changed my clubbing habits. For a while I went to my old haunts looking to "replace" what I had been enjoying with my ATF. As time went by I realized that I could have a great time with any number of ladies but none of them awoke the ATF/PL juices in me. As time went by I realized this was working for me. I went from being a once or twice a week regular at the same club with the same dancer to once or twice a month at any number of places with any number of favs in the Boston/Providence area.

I've got a pretty good OTC thing going right now (play for pay) and this has lessened my club-going even more.

Casual Observer
12-25-2006, 04:17 PM
You gorge yourself spending lots of time and money but then at some point your desires wanes.

I still have a pretty good desire quotient (even if only for scouting OTC opportunities), it's just that I haven't been able to give away my money as of late--my last few outings were futile efforts to get new dancers into the rotation, but none of them were taking my money. The pattern has been: Go in with four or five small, leave with four or five small minus door charge and a couple V and Ts.

It's been too damn much work lately and it just shouldn't be this tough to spend at the club.

yoda57us
12-25-2006, 07:01 PM
It's been too damn much work lately and it just shouldn't be this tough to spend at the club.

LOL, I don't know what you are looking for CO but I have noticed a definite lack of quality ladies with a functioning brain in ALL of the RI/Mass clubs for a while now. I've still got a fav or two working almost everywhere so I don't have any trouble finding women to spend money on when I go to a club...

I love hanging out in a club just for the sake of hanging out-no extras required. On the other hand there is something to be said for an hour or two in a nice hotel room with a really beautiful and fun lady...The OTC thing costs a bit more than a club visit but, honestly, the sure thing is a lot more rewarding than the "will she or won't she" guessing game...}:D

GenWar
12-25-2006, 08:08 PM
Truth be told, naked chicks aren't the draw of the strip club for me and haven't been in years; it's really the interaction that can happen there that matters most.

Of course, this has been my whole point and the whole point of my being a junkie for the vast majority of my existance. So I won't rehash it except to say, "I AGREE!" :)

Still, and here is the thing...I can manage to find chemisty on almost every single trip. Not all girls are a good match, sure. But, most of the time, I meet at least one who can get a decent game going. Does that make me unusual? Are my standards/definitions of chemistry lower? I dunno...but, because of this, I haven't had a need to lessen my visits based on waning favorites.

*shrug* Feels like a hijack...but I am just wondering. If we accept that Yoda and CO are visiting less due to lack of chemisty available, WHY are they having a harder time finding it? Just curious...

-gen

xdamage
12-25-2006, 08:16 PM
I don't know, my problem isn't that strippers don't want my money. More the opposite, they are like vulchers, but very few interested me enough to want to see them again. There have been a few exceptions, but they have been very rare. There was a stripper at Seamless I'll likely go visit again on my next visit to Vegas. I liked her peaceful personality, honesty, and dark eyes, but for the most part when I see strippers all I see is someone who views me as walking wallet. Kind of hard for me to have any long term feelings or get emotionally involved in that kind of situation.

xdamage
12-25-2006, 08:22 PM
Still, and here is the thing...I can manage to find chemisty on almost every single trip. Not all girls are a good match, sure. But, most of the time, I meet at least one who can get a decent game going. Does that make me unusual? Are my standards/definitions of chemistry lower? I dunno...but, because of this, I haven't had a need to lessen my visits based on waning favorites.


No, I agree. Finding a stripper I could fall for... very rare, but as for finding a stripper I can find some chemistry with ... happens almost every trip. Not necessarily someone I'd want to see again and again, but there are dozens of strippers I'd have had a very hot time with that I'd have never met if I was holding out for the ultimate experience.

Casual Observer
12-25-2006, 10:30 PM
I don't know what you are looking for CO but I have noticed a definite lack of quality ladies with a functioning brain in ALL of the RI/Mass clubs for a while now.

It's not just you noticing the dearth of quality women. I keep hoping that the creative destruction looming over the industry will change this but it's hard to see at this point.

Jenny
12-25-2006, 10:43 PM
^^^
I don't suppose that any of you might think that your constant mantra of "more for less" could, possibly, maybe, might have some small thing to do with this perceived dearth in quality women in stripclubs? That what you demand as customers is impacting what you are getting as consumers?

Smokeless
12-26-2006, 12:14 AM
^^^ Jenny, I don't hear from these guys a "more for less" mantra. Not the Gen, Jay, CO, xDam, et al. Elsewhere, perhaps, but not here.

Smokeless
12-26-2006, 12:27 AM
I'll be obnoxiously agreeable with both sides in this "debate." I can see the value in having a favorite and sticking with her. Indeed, I typically like to do that. But mine has had an unpredictable schedule this fall and winter, especially those times I've been able to spend extra time at the club. So I've not been averse to playing the field. Perhaps I've been lucky, but I've found three gals with whom I have some chemistry. Fortunately, relations among the women seem to be congenial, their shifts only partially overlap, and I'm able to share some of my time with each of them. I only wish there was more of my time to share!

I think all this depends on timing, luck, individual style and goals, and indeed chemistry. I'm not saying that I have chemistry or any more than the gentlemen above. Good grief, no! It's the relationship that shows chemistry. That chemistry may be a function of some woman's salesmanship. I'm not complaining.

Nonetheless, I'm sure it's not pleasant to lose all one's favorites to retirement.

Merry Christmas, all.

yoda57us
12-26-2006, 07:13 AM
*shrug* Feels like a hijack...but I am just wondering. If we accept that Yoda and CO are visiting less due to lack of chemisty available, WHY are they having a harder time finding it? Just curious...

-gen

Gen: Don't put CO and I into the same boat. What I posted was that I agreed with him about the lack of talent. I also stated that I have favs in every club that I visit and have no trouble spending my cash. I can fully understand how CO would lose patience with the SS that you seem to live for. That's not meant as a slam by the way. Everyone has their reasons for going but I think guys like CO and myself have a vastly different reason than you do.

I visit less for a number of reasons. I travel a lot and my patience for trying new clubs on the road is pretty much non-existent nowadays. Also, as previously mentioned I have a good OTC thing going right now. I realize that is not everybody's cup of tea and I'm not saying it has to be an either/or type of deal....but for me right now it is. Things change quickly in the world of pay for play so who knows what tune I'll be singing in a few days, weeks or months.

yoda57us
12-26-2006, 07:23 AM
^^^
I don't suppose that any of you might think that your constant mantra of "more for less" could, possibly, maybe, might have some small thing to do with this perceived dearth in quality women in stripclubs? That what you demand as customers is impacting what you are getting as consumers?

Jenny, I would tend to agree with you in general but I don't think either CO or myself are lamenting a shortage of extras girls. I've always been pretty open here about my expectations. I look for dancers who are attractive and fun to spend time with. Once we go into the PD area whatever happens happens but my continued business is not dependent on sexual activity. I think many people would be shocked at the amount of money I've spent over the years on dancers who offered absolutely no extras by anyone's definition. I don't think I've ever walked into a strip club with the intent of bargain hunting.

Casual Observer
12-26-2006, 08:15 AM
I don't suppose that any of you might think that your constant mantra of "more for less" could, possibly, maybe, might have some small thing to do with this perceived dearth in quality women in stripclubs? That what you demand as customers is impacting what you are getting as consumers?

Ah, but Jenny, I don't have expectations of extras in an SC, as that's not really my style; I don't fault anyone for seeking, obtaining or providing extras, but HJ/BJ/FS just isn't my thing in the SC. Extras are quite prevalent and easily available in the area where Yoda and I visit SCs--hell, it's probably close to Houston levels in Providence. Extras aren't the issue, it's really about dancer quality. Like Yoda said, it's about attractive and fun girls, which really seem to be lacking as of late.

Docido
12-26-2006, 08:52 AM
Jenny it isn't always about grindage. Finding someone who makes you forget your troubles for a few, brief, fleeting moments is sometimes more important. The women who can do that are few and far between.

I think it has more to do with the club's hiring practices. Nowadays Clubs hire anyone with a detectable pulse. All managers care about is if someone can pay the stage fees. Appearence and personality have next to nothing to do with it. Couple that with the crap economy in my part of the US and you have a flood of low quality dancers.

Bridgette
12-26-2006, 08:54 AM
I am basing the following statements on the knowledge that most strippers aren't SW members and don't have access to the strip club info that SW members do.

From what I saw in Providence, I'm thinking the quality girls have been leaving that area for greener pastures. Where they can earn more money while providing less. Or where they can simply earn more money. There's alot of places not too far from there where that's possible and it's more likely that girls in that part of the country would've heard about it. While our SCJs in that area may not necessarily expect extras for their money, it sure seems that most custies there DO.

Houston, on the other hand, is different. There's not that many cities around there where the girls might go to better their fortunes. Most strippers seem to be unwilling to travel too far from home, so if there's not a good alternative nearby, most will stay and deal with the local scene. Plus I think the newer generation of Houston girls may actually think that that's just the way it IS in strip clubs. Not to mention the very large possibility that some girls who are willing to provide Houston-level contact may very well relocate there.

So, it's very easy for me to see why you guys frequenting SCs in Boston/RI are complaining about a lack of quality lately, vs Houston guys NOT complaining about it...

xdamage
12-26-2006, 10:29 AM
Okay, you guys really don't need to defend yourself. J as usual views reality through her men suck, women are victims, bias, but no single individual was responsible for the shaping of SC history, or laws. Women really were there when that history was being shaped, and they really did participate in how things have turned out. Equal rights goes hand in hand with equal responsibility.

And it's hardly all that surprising. Put men in a SC environment, and their billion year old biology turns on and they push for more contact for the same $$s. Put dancers in an SC environment, and their want for money $$ (yes even at the expense of their co-workers, people watch their own back first) turns on, and they do more for the same $$s.

There were (and still are) laws to limit SCs to view only. Those laws have changed because people (both the men and the women) have changed. Factor in that more girls then ever are choosing to dance (for economic reasons, because the social stigma has decreased, etc.), that competition among dancers is increasing, which predictably leads to more girls competing (yea, even doing more for less), But to suggest that the laws changed, expectations changed, people changed, was one sided due to customers-only, that the dancers didn't participate in that change, is incredibly naive or intentionally anti-male biased.

And this is not the place for anti-male/anti-customer sentiment. It's suppose to be a Trip Report section, for customers to talk about their SC experiences. This shouldn't be the why-men-are-at-fault-for-the-decline-in-the-sc-industry topic.

Jenny
12-26-2006, 12:29 PM
Jenny, I would tend to agree with you in general but I don't think either CO or myself are lamenting a shortage of extras girls. I've always been pretty open here about my expectations. I look for dancers who are attractive and fun to spend time with. Once we go into the PD area whatever happens happens but my continued business is not dependent on sexual activity. I think many people would be shocked at the amount of money I've spent over the years on dancers who offered absolutely no extras by anyone's definition. I don't think I've ever walked into a strip club with the intent of bargain hunting.
Okay - I realize that you don't hunt mileage the same way Punk and Derek claim to, but I think we've generally established that airdances are boring, and contact is good, and the corollary of that is GENERALLY that more contact is better.
So as a result you have girls who are expected by the customer base to work "harder" for less or the same money and sooner or later the one's with better options (that is, generally the educated, intelligent one's that you are bemoaning the lack of) jump ship and take up something else, or just start working directly. So, again, I'm not targeting you personally, but I still think it is obviously a case of "you get what you pay for" or in this case "you get what you are willing to pay for". I still like you guys, and I would absolutely spend at least part of an evening flirting with you and being excessively charming (yes, excessively so) if I were South American.

So I'm clear on what you are noting the lack of, I just don't think it should be surprising to you based on what you know perfectly well the market demands. I've said the same thing on pink - that the market is regulating itself, just not the way we think it should - that is, it is NOT weeding out the girls we deem fat, ugly and stupid.

xdamage
12-26-2006, 03:15 PM
So as a result you have girls who are expected by the customer base to work "harder" for less or the same money and

I would have mostly agreed, if it wasn't for the spin of women are brain dead victims, just dragged along by the wants of others. Seriously, women actually do have brains, and they do actually participate in their own decisions, and shaping of our society and norms. Along with equal rights women have to start taking on equal responsibilities for how our society and it's laws and norms turn out. They go hand in hand.

You could just as well say, "So as a result you have girls, who are motivated to make money, who are willing to work "harder" for less or the same money" See, spin it like that and the women aren't victims anymore, but actually play some part in their own destiny.

Look, this happens in all industries. The glory days pass. When a business is profitable, and easily entered, you're going to have competition, people willing to do more for less. It even happens in the computer industry where many guys can't get jobs because their jobs have gone overseas to people willing to do work harder for less. And that's a job that requires some experience and training. We're talking about stripping here - a job that many young women enter with no education. It's hardly any surprise that there is a competition, or that the next generations expectations are different then the previous.

mr_punk
12-27-2006, 07:05 AM
Okay - I realize that you don't hunt mileage the same way Punk and Derek claim to, but I think we've generally established that airdances are boring, and contact is good, and the corollary of that is GENERALLY that more contact is better.hunt mileage??? Arrr, lassie! it can hardly be calling hunting when it practically jumps out of the water onto the poop deck.