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GirlFriday
03-13-2004, 08:44 PM
Sorry, I though I had actually removed the original. The comment is now gone.
mr_punk
03-13-2004, 09:46 PM
but having myself called a predator is something i didn't see coming. guess im gonna have to stop being so respectful in SCs.i would take it as a compliment. it just means that you don't play by their rules. ultimately, the sc is a sucker's game if you allow them (against your better judgement) to dictate the rules of play and most dancers view PL as prey (suckers). i don't know about you, but i rather be the hunter rather than the hunted. for me, being the hunted usually led to one conclusion: marriage..and we all know how that worked out ;D.
The thing that I thought about was wouldn't it have been funny if this guy made his proposition to several dancers in different clubs and just went with the first one to say yes? Hell, if I had that kind of cash to give out, that's what I would do. Well, actually if I had that kind of cash, I wouldn't spend that much on a weekend trip...maybe $1000 or $1500 tops...depends on what kind of activities are involved.that would be funny. in any case, i agree. i wouldn't give a common stripper that type of cash for a weekend. OTOH, a pornstar or a woman with some sort of credentials and a proven track record and an extensive menu, no problem.
thanks for the support, fish. i appreciate it, but it's not really necessary. please don't get in to any trouble on my behalf. the last thing on my mind is the need to protect my reputation on either board. i don't have one and would be horrified to learn if i did have one. although, i am confused about the context of her statement of my directing threats of violence towards dancers. does she mean it in the figurative sense, a la the Andrea Dworkin and Katherine McKinnon school of thought. you know, the idea that only men exploit women (who are too weak to defend themselves) and that exploitation is a form of violence against women. or does she mean that i literally threaten dancers with physical violence? whatever the case may be, it really doesn't apply. it's not big secret that i pay dancers who "deliver" exponentially more money than the ones who do not. it's no big secret that i buy dances from dancers with exceptional bodies, either. sorry, but it's my money and dancers aren't entitled to my money just for showing up at work. it's not a dictatorship. i make an offer and the dancer can accept or refuse my offer. it's her choice. i guess in this age of "it's not my fault" mentality that we live. the idea of free will is an anathema to some people.
Lilith
03-14-2004, 02:31 AM
Did I miss something?
aggieed
03-14-2004, 04:27 AM
Yes.
FBR, she later apologize. I have removed the message though to stop this back and forth.
Fish will be allowed back in a few days. When there are issues, I can be contacted by pm, email, or reported posts. "Warring" as fish chose is not acceptable.
GF, unfortunately I had to leave before the fireworks really got started. Mrs FBR called and chastised me for being late for dinner plans :( Anyway, I did see VD's "apology" just before I left. It was half hearted at best and Im surprised she didnt put a ;) right next to it to let the other ladies know she was just kidding.
I wish Fish hadnt done what he did but he was watching my back and was highly offended by her unwarranted and poisonous attack on me. I guess Im so well indoctrinated to the board rules that it never occcured to me to post in the Ladies Only section. Maybe I should have instead of him but whats done is done. We will all look forward to his return (if he chooses to come back). On the other hand, I do hope that you had a conversation with VD about her attitude. She could get herself in a lot of trouble with that mouth of hers.
Nuff Said
FBR
money
03-14-2004, 06:52 AM
Damn, I miss all the good stuff!! I have no idea what happened, but it musta been good. Oh and just so everyone knows, I had nothing to do with it!! :)
Happy_Camper
03-14-2004, 07:16 AM
I read the 'apology' too. And the fact that in the same breathe she started an attack on someone else proves she didnt mean any of it. It wasnt my name being thrown around, but that isnt the point. With the groupthink mentality of many over there, someone is going to believe everything said. I myself have read most posts of both people bashed and did not come to any conclusion close to that stated.
Dreamer
03-14-2004, 10:21 AM
Gosh, I thought prostitution was supposed to be empowering to women, giving them another option of career and "choice" of their destiny. Why the hell should the government tell women "What they can do with their bodies" ? Now where have I heard that before?
mr_punk
03-14-2004, 11:01 AM
Did I miss something?i caught some of it just before GF nuked the offending posts. i not quite sure exactly what happened but, i think VD insulted FBR and myself and fish got pissed because her insults were posted in the ladies section of SW (i think). fish posted in the ladies section of SW. GF gave fish a couple of days off and that's all i know.
aggieed
03-14-2004, 11:02 AM
That's it.
GirlFriday
03-14-2004, 11:12 AM
I have contacted VD about her accusations, especially making them in a place where the accused can't defend themselves. Fish again has access to the sites. Of the 20 some bans we've given, only 2 of them have temporary...so no warring.
fishnet
03-14-2004, 11:39 AM
I have contacted VD about her accusations, especially making them in a place where the accused can't defend themselves.
My apologies GF and Pryce!!
I know I went about making my point in the wrong manner....you hit the nail on the head though. The ladies can talk about whatever they want in their little world but that section should not be a sanctuary for defamatory comments. That is a public board and comments like those by VD shoulld be challenged publicly until they can be removed.(obviously that's just my opinion) If the ladies want to name "Blue Site" members or start a thread with quotes from us, it does not belong in the "Ladies Only" section. They can talk about how to rip a customer off for 20K all they want. >:( A parallel thread on the Blue side is no problem.) Allegations of rape and violence against women need to be dealt with at the source. Next time I'll send ya a PM. ;)
Once again my apologies for the trouble. Thanks for reinstating my membership.
Fish
Well said Fish! And thanks again to GF and Pryce for their decision.
FBR
Bridgette
03-14-2004, 04:25 PM
When Mr. P and Bridgette go at it, just ignore it. Kids will be kids. LOL. ;)
Hey! I resemble that remark! Oh but I'm done with that, so you can turn your ignore button off there. It was fun for a while, but you know, I get bored with the same ol' same ol' after a while ;)
Damn but there has been some drama! It never ceases to amaze me how you guys get so fired up over girls just talking about taking money that was offered for something that wasn't even specified in the first place. Yeah I know, a guy doesn't offer $20k for a weekend trip not expecting or hoping to get laid, and any girl who would lead him on with the intention of taking the money and running deserves a good slap in the face to say the least. But geez guys! You're slamming the whole pink site because of one incident that's not even going to happen! LOL I think ya'll could lighten up a tad.
Oh and btw, I post what I think on both sites, and I don't do anything other than try to be tactful when tact is called for. Perhaps my aged presence on the site has resulted in my sometimes snappy comments being tolerated. In any case, I certainly wish people would post what they really think rather than go with the herd. Sometimes the insincerity reeks - pink OR blue.
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 06:59 PM
VD (I know youre watching), instead of hiding in the "Ladies Only" section why dont you make those accusations here? Youve admitted to lurking on the Blue Site...all you have to do is start posting. You talk the talk...why dont you come over here and play with the big boys.
FBR
You asked for it. Here you go.
This dust-up emerged from a thread regarding a dancer asking advice about a customer's offer of $20,000 to go on a trip. The nearly unanimous outcry from The Blue Board was a stomach churning Don't do it unless you plan to have sex with him! That is total and complete bullshit and I said so.
That put me in the crosshairs of a few vocal critics who then proceeded to make veiled threats by suggesting some men might retaliate against a woman in that situation who failed to provide sex. Some of those critics have a history of posting their methods for turning strippers into prostitutes so their meaning is abundantly clear: have sex or face the consequences.
I want to use this venue to say this: you have absolutely no right to attempt to intimidate dancers into providing sex. None. Veiled threats are still threats.
Go ahead and mock my name. The method suits those who do it. I would expect nothing more of your type.
Go ahead and twist my words. The careful reader will note, for example, that I never said the guy doesn't want sex as many have claimed. Nor did I say screw him because he is a man.
Just don't expect to go about your merry *raincoater* ways without wearing your ass for an umbrella. Unlike you, most customers are not so addicted to stripclubs that they need to turn to the Internet to learn new methods of getting blowjobs from strippers. Dancers should NOT gear their activities with guys like you in mind.
As you may have noticed I have limited interest in engaging most of you in debate. So if you reply to this post and you want an answer from me at least try to use proper grammar and spelling because I won't waste my time on morons who can't type. Make sure you think before you post and post something intelligent, or again I will just ignore you.
Have fun!
Hi VD, glad you decided to stop by for a visit. Thats a good thing.
I wasnt making fun of your name. In case you havent noticed I always shorten and abbreviate the posters names. Im a good typist but lazy sometimes.
B = Bridgette
MW = Moneywise etc etc
You picked the name that abbreviates into VD I didnt.
Darlin, let me clue you in. There arent too many morons on this site if you would bother to read it. Im laughing my ass off at that comment. Im working on my taxes for last year. I made almost $300,000 and I have to wonder...gee...here I am just a dumb hillbilly and my customers are willing to pay me all this money. Only in America LOL
The blue site is much more tolerant than SW in my opinion and we dont have a "Men Only" thread to hide in. You can come over here and say whatever you want...we'll duke it out and then Id probably buy your sorry ass a beer LOL But your approach of hiding and slamming us behind your castle walls is sickening. Comments about rapists, predators and violent females abusers is over the top and you know it.
Whew that felt good. I think Ill finish this beer and head home. VD, I sincerely hope you have a wonderful evening my dear.
FBR
mr_punk
03-14-2004, 07:41 PM
The nearly unanimous outcry from The Blue Board was a stomach churning Don't do it unless you plan to have sex with him! That is total and complete bullshit and I said so.
That put me in the crosshairs of a few vocal critics who then proceeded to make veiled threats by suggesting some men might retaliate against a woman in that situation who failed to provide sex.
Some of those critics have a history of posting their methods for turning strippers into prostitutes so their meaning is abundantly clear: have sex or face the consequences.oh, there's no need to be shy. we're all friends here. feel free to start naming names. in fact, feel free to start posting quotes. you're not hiding in the ladies section free from rebuttal from the posters with Y chromosomes.
Go ahead and mock my name. The method suits those who do it. I would expect nothing more of your type.give us some credit. at least, we mocked you in a section where everyone is free to post.
Unlike you, most customers are not so addicted to stripclubs that they need to turn to the Internet to learn new methods of getting blowjobs from strippers. Dancers should NOT gear their activities with guys like you in mind.and most customers are suckers. look, if some guy thinks that beating off while you dance 6 ft away is "manna from heaven", more power to him (and you). i'm sure your customers are very impressed with your service back in Utah. however, don't you think it's a bit unrealistic, not to mention naive and a complete lack of knowledge about your own industry, to think that everyone is going to march to beat of your drum.
So if you reply to this post and you want an answer from me at least try to use proper grammar and spelling because I won't waste my time on morons who can't type. Make sure you think before you post and post something intelligent, or again I will just ignore you.
Go ahead and mock my name. The method suits those who do it. I would expect nothing more of your type. so what type are you? ::)
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 08:00 PM
Hi FBR
Please understand I don't hide. I would have posted the same thing in any other section. It just happened to start in the Ladies Only section.
I don't post here because I know my perspective isn't wanted. I am all about the lowest mileage for the highest return and don't think any of you customers deserve anything else. I know you don't want to hear it so I politely refrain from shoving it in your face ...that is until I am invited to do so.
I look forward to many exciting conversations regarding the value of your seminal emissions versus the physical and emotional well being of dancers. It should be quite entertaining.
As for morons I think Fish fits the bill nicely. He is on the list of those who need to think harder if they want a reply from me. The quote he referred to was FBR quoting me so if anyone is quoting out of context it's FBR. Which he wasn't. So....
Fish--->:dunce:
And FBR (dahlin)...I don't care how much money you claim to make on your taxes. And I don't care what you claim to drive. I am not working this board so I am going to give it to you straight: people who actively seek dancers in distress to ply them for sex are predators... and scum. Sorry to have to be the one to break it to ya ;)
FBR...I don't know you and I don't care about you and I have no interest in the quality of your evening. Buh bye!
lestat1
03-14-2004, 08:08 PM
I don't post here because I know my perspective isn't wanted. I am all about the lowest mileage for the highest return and don't think any of you customers deserve anything else.
I hope I'm not too-off topic with my question here. Can you tell me more about that approach? Do you go for a high volume of new customers, rather than develop repeat customers? How's the money with that approach compared to other dancers' styles at your club (better, worse, the same)?
-lestat1
money
03-14-2004, 08:16 PM
Damn, all this from a woman, who stated on the Pink Site one time, that the show "The Apprentice" was realistic! Woman, you are more in the twilight zone than most customers!
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 08:20 PM
I don't post here because I know my perspective isn't wanted. I am all about the lowest mileage for the highest return and don't think any of you customers deserve anything else.
I hope I'm not too-off topic with my question here. Can you tell me more about that approach? Do you go for a high volume of new customers, rather than develop repeat customers? How's the money with that approach compared to other dancers' styles at your club (better, worse, the same)?
-lestat1
Money is not my primary motivation for determining what I will or will not do with customers. My own well-being is. That means I don't make all the money I can - just what I need.
That said, When I do strip I like to move from club to club.
I make *regs* the minute I walk in the club because the guys know I am only going to be there for a week or two so they tend to make the most of it.
Second of all, I am not a career stripper. I do other things besides stripping. The notion that all strippers would be flipping burgers at Micky D's if not for the strip club is wrong.
As for the whole regulars thing, if I wanted to worry about some guy's opinion of my sexual output, and kiss his ass and depend on him for money I would have married a rich guy a loooong time ago.
fishnet
03-14-2004, 08:21 PM
As for morons I think Fish fits the bill nicely. He is on the list of those who need to think harder if they want a reply from me. The quote he referred to was FBR quoting me so if anyone is quoting out of context it's FBR. Which he wasn't. So....
Fish--->:dunce:
Hey VD, is this what you are refering to?
When did I say 'Scam him because he's a guy and he deserves it'? Is that why it isn't in quotes...because I didn't say it? I am saying the guy hasn't demanded sex so don't assume he is either going to get sex or commit an act of rape. He's not FBR!
Emphasis by me
Im like WTF?? Have I ever ever talked about or even alluded to forcing myself on any woman? Hell, I was the one propositioned...not that I mind ;D To use my name and the word "rape" in the same comment is an insult and deserves to be addressed by Pryce as far as Im concerned. I expect a public apology for that remark.
VD (I know youre watching), instead of hiding in the "Ladies Only" section why dont you make those accusations here? Youve admitted to lurking on the Blue Site...all you have to do is start posting. You talk the talk...why dont you come over here and play with the big boys.
FBR
Hey VD, if you are going to quote someone with the intent to make an argument, use the entire quote so it isn't taken out of context. The way you quoted FBR was to make it look as if you were innocent of all wrong doing and he was making threats. Wrong again!!!!! You never did apologize. Everyone knew you didn't mean a word when you attacked Mr. P in the same sentence. ::)
The rest of your post is nothing more than a red herring. Lilith tore you to shreds and there is no reason to repeat that here.
Obviously you did not take that remedial English class I recommended for you. ::) That is a quote of FBR responding in entirety to your post. I removed it so his would be the first response. Since you felt compelled to respond to someone not worthy of a response, I thought everyone should see it anyway. ;D :butthead:
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 08:27 PM
Damn, all this from a woman, who stated on the Pink Site one time, that the show "The Apprentice" was realistic! Woman, you are more in the twilight zone than most customers!
That show rocks and is quite informative. The winner is really going to get a job with Trump! The losers really do go home! People really do jockey for position, cry, backstab, use sex, steal, coerce, and lie to get ahead in this world.
The parts of the show that are realistic eclipse the artifice.
Race, class, and gender are all explored and a lot can be learned by the observant viewer. I will assume that doesn't include you Money.
money
03-14-2004, 08:37 PM
You are a real bitter woman aren't you? Argue with everyone on here. No wonder you dance in Utah. I don't think you would make here in the NY area hon. You would be run right out of town!
fishnet
03-14-2004, 08:39 PM
Huh, you may be right I dunno how much girls go for these days! :D I do know that if he gave me 20 K I'd be six states away long before delivery day.
BTW VD, people call me a lot of things and not all of them are good. From the above quote you are a self confessed common thief. A ROB. Nothing more need be said. You have no credibility as a result of your own post. Bye! :)
mr_punk
03-14-2004, 09:09 PM
I don't post here because I know my perspective isn't wanted. awwwww :crying: :crying: :crying:.........we don't nod our collective heads approvingly whenever you open your mouth and you stomp your feet and pout. perhaps it's best that you don't post here. i mean, if you expect something less than the opinioned exchange of ideas, then it's probably better that you remain on SW. there are plenty of guys over there who don't mind being yesmen on their own lesiure time. ::)
I look forward to many exciting conversations regarding the value of your seminal emissions versus the physical and emotional well being of dancers. It should be quite entertaining.well, why should the "physical and emotional well being of dancers" be a concern of any customer?
after all, you did state:
I am all about the lowest mileage for the highest return and don't think any of you customers deserve anything else.you don't exactly have our best interest at heart. ::) so, you can save that guilt trip for sunday school.
fishnet
03-14-2004, 09:15 PM
Huh, you may be right I dunno how much girls go for these days! :D I do know that if he gave me 20 K I'd be six states away long before delivery day.
BTW VD, people call me a lot of things and not all of them are good. From the above quote you are a self confessed common thief. A ROB. Nothing more need be said. You have no credibility as a result of your own post. Bye! :)
VD and yes the name fits so wear it. ;)
One of the reasons the Blue Site exists is to help customers avoid dancers (?) like you. LMAO!!!! 8) Thank you Pryce!!!!! ;D
Moneywise
03-14-2004, 09:16 PM
VD,
I guess you prefer the travel to the stability of frequenting and living in one particular place. You'll have to keep right on travelling because no "customer" in his/her right mind would give you a second glance. You might smoothe a twenty out of the casual "customer" or two but as soon as you opened your mouth they would probably run to the light.
You know, it's not always what you say. It's how you convey that thought to others. You come across as a bitter person with a major chip. I hope that "other job" is stable because with your tired attitude you'll need it sooner rather than later.
I can't believe the "customers" in your circles put up with crap like that. ::) I have been known to be a rather nice guy but I would waste a minute listening to your nonsense.
Best of luck to you with your travels. Try Florida sometime. Just be sure to bring some money with you because you probably won't make much here unless you padlock that trap door.
There are people of good character on both sites. Some even post on both (GASP) regularly without an ounce of drama. Thankfully you are of the monority. If I ventured here and had to read your drivel on the regular I would probably disappear faster than David Blane on X.
If marrying a rich guy really were an option for you he would probably have the longest prenup in history drawn and wouldn't last long enough to let the ink dry after witnessing you in your full glory.
Love,
MW
Jay Zeno
03-14-2004, 09:33 PM
I said it over on Pink - I guess I should say it here. (Actually, I probably shouldn't say it at all.)
We have a guy or two here that says things seemingly just to try to piss off girls ("Official Button Pusher" was given for a reason). Some of the guys chuckle and say, well, that's just how he is.
Now we have a girl who apparently wants to say things to try to piss off the guys. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.
I would just suggest to everyone that if someone tries to piss you off, and you get pissed off, you've just let them win.
This is one reason my participation has been down. Frankly, I don't see these back-and-forths as productive. To all who sneer and say, "Yeah, you're the one with the long-winded debates with punky" - well, you're right.
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 09:39 PM
I don't post here because I know my perspective isn't wanted. awwwww :crying: :crying: :crying:.........we don't nod our collective heads approvingly whenever you open your mouth and you stomp your feet and pout. .
I don't expect you to nod your heads approvingly - I only ask that you express your opinions in a readable format with a minimal amount stupidity. I am not a flame baiter; I know how you and your fellow *raincoaters* are going to react to my message. I do agree that it is best that I don't post here which is why I have not posted here.
But I was called out so let's rock this bitch!
There are some points I don't care to debate so: VD fits me because I advocate not sucking and fucking for a living. Whatever. You win now please drop it: it's really old.
And yes, any dancer who says you are scandalous and full of shit with your hand jobs and blow jobs and sex is bitter. And any guy who defends a dancer is an ass-kissing fuck-o who deserves to be shot. Can we just get that all out of the way and give it a rest?
As for the customer's concern for the well being of dancers you, Mr_P, and many others have made it clear that it is no real concern of yours. Therefor, your well being is no concern of mine, nor should it be the concern of any dancer.
A customer losing a couple hundred -or thousand- bucks to a dancer who doesn't fuck is no where near the same as a dancer losing her HIV- status to a customer who does.
vanilla_dog
03-14-2004, 10:09 PM
VD,
I guess you prefer the travel to the stability of frequenting and living in one particular place...
I prefer to travel because it gives me leverage against high house fees, bad management, cheap, sleazy dancers, and perverted customers. And also should a guy offer me 20 K I can take it without ever having to worry about delivering! I'd rather be a "thief" than a hooker so call me low down. I know. I'm dirty.
As for my customers I am sure you know way more about them than I do. Not every man wants an asskissing fuck doll who grovels for every dime, but I'm sure you know otherwise.
You say it's how I say it but I know what I say is going to piss you off no matter how I say it. So why waste the time sugar coating it?
My advice: stop whining, nut up and take it like a man. Dancers should not be caving into performing sexual extra's. You can call me bitter, and frigid, and a lesbian but I will never waver from that stance.
I also think one of the reasons the Blue Site exists is to help dancers avoid customers like Fish, Mr_P, and every other customer who thinks dancers are really whores who should earn their money the old fashioned way. Thank you Pryce!
Moneywise
03-14-2004, 10:23 PM
For the record: I don't think dancers are whores, hookers, thiefs or any other derogatory reference that flows so easily from the mouth of VD.
I love the milkshake. :) :) :)
MW
fishnet
03-14-2004, 10:27 PM
I also think one of the reasons the Blue Site exists is to help dancers avoid customers like Fish, Mr_P, and every other customer who thinks dancers are really whores who should earn their money the old fashioned way. Thank you Pryce!
LOL..you couldn't be any more ignorant if you tried VD or do you prefer PW for Plain Woofer? Mr. P and I couldn't be farther apart if I lived in China. ::) I do respect his opinions. They are controversial but he is entitled to them. 8)
LOL...You are a thief and a troll. No one should respond to anything you say. You were called out specifically to respond to your allegation that FBR was capable of rape. Nothing more. Nothing less. You did not respond and you never apologized. ::) You have your own agenda and are nothing more than a troll on both sites. I would suggest the same as JZ. Everyone igonre VD like the venerial disease she/he is. ::)
mr_punk
03-14-2004, 10:47 PM
I am not a flame baiterand i never stated nor implied that that you were a flame baiter.
I know how you and your fellow *raincoaters* are going to react to my message.actually, there are only a few "raincoaters" on this board, but that's beside the point. personally, i see nothing wrong with you posting with your message. of course, i don't agree with what you posted so far and i'll rip you a new one (figuratively speaking, of course :)) without hesitation or remorse if you slip up.
I do agree that it is best that I don't post here which is why I have not posted here.leave or stay, the choice is yours, but i'm sure you knew that. ::)
There are some points I don't care to debate sothat works for me.
As for the customer's concern for the well being of dancers you, Mr_P, and many others have made it clear that it is no real concern of yours. Therefor, your well being is no concern of mine, nor should it be the concern of any dancer.well, i can't speak for the others, but that works for me too, as long as the mileage keeps coming my way :).
A customer losing a couple hundred -or thousand- bucks to a dancer who doesn't fuck is no where near the same as a dancer losing her HIV- status to a customer who does.a variation of the secondary effects argument? i haven't seen that old dog (no pun intended) in quite sometime. in any case, that was very melodramatic (william shatner would be proud). the next thing you'll be telling us is that we should do it for the kids. i thought i told you that type of psychological arm twisting works best in sunday school. you'll have to do better than that.
GirlFriday
03-14-2004, 10:51 PM
:argue:
This is going no where, the boards aren't here for people to bash others.