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mr_punk
03-19-2004, 10:34 AM
Maybe the boys should retaliate with a "No Girls Allowed" section?nah, why would anyone one to do that? i always speak my mind.


I'm so glad we escorts have our secret, members-only screened boards where we can bitch without fear of it being seen by men.sure, but strippers don't need your level of security nor are they sharing any info about clients. a private board for you ladies is an absolute necessity as a means of communication and personal protection. i hardly think strippers fall in the same category.

Lilith
03-19-2004, 12:33 PM
yikes:flamed:


Excuse me Lilith but that is NOT what I said or meant in my posts. Please dont start off w/ me by telling tales about what I say or write. :-\

First, I don't lie and the Junkies know this. Second, I quoted you:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/index.php/stripperweb/off-topic/chat/t7394.html


What I have expressed is that I notice alot the guys here dont like many of the dancers who post on the pink site ....and so therefore i wasnt sure if i should be posting here- that it seemed a little like being a sitting duck.

The guys here don't like falseness. They don't like being treated as second-class subhumans. They certainly resent being told when and where and to whom they can defend themselves, and being painted with a broad brush.


I was welcomed by some.... Hmmm maybe u just dont wanna share ur blue guys ;)


Riiiiiiight.

Isis
03-19-2004, 01:08 PM
yikes:flamed:
Excuse me Lilith but that is NOT what I said or meant in my posts. Please dont start off w/ me by telling tales about what I say or write. :-\
First, I don't lie and the Junkies know this. Second, I quoted you:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/index.php/stripperweb/off-topic/chat/t7394.html

What I have expressed is that I notice alot the guys here dont like many of the dancers who post on the pink site ....and so therefore i wasnt sure if i should be posting here that it seemed a little like being a sitting duck.
The guys here don't like falseness. They don't like being treated as second-class subhumans. They certainly resent being told when and where and to whom they can defend themselves, and being painted with a broad brush.
I was welcomed by some.... Hmmm maybe u just dont wanna share ur blue guys ;)

Riiiiiiight.


well u said that i said things that i didn't....and ur quote of mine, where does it say the things u said I said ?

and the humor of my share the blue guys comment was totaly lost on u it seems ::).......ah well, whatever- if u decieded to not like me already, so be it.

such is life :sweep:

Prester_John
03-19-2004, 01:12 PM
All Dancers want to fuck over their customers and drain them of cash.

All Customers want to fuck dancers without spending any cash.

All Dancers say they don’t do extras, but do will in fact do so if the price is right.

All Customers want as much mileage as possible, as long as the price is right.

All Dancers think they know everything about the customers

All customers think they know everything about the dancers.

All dancers know nothing about the wants and needs of a customer

All customers know nothing about the wants and needs of a dancer.

The Blue Site whines about what’s on the Pink Site

The Pink Site whines about what’s on the Blue Site.

Dancers need customers or they won’t make any money, so they should bend to the customers will and wants

Customers need dancers to get their fantasies rocked, so they should bend to the dancers will and wants.

See a pattern here?

These themes seem to always be underlying any Blue/Pink clash/confrontation. I don't get involved (and you can call me a pussy or wuss or whatever, I care not) because it really doesn’t seem to accomplish anything outside of make sure everyone knows what everyone's stances on the issues are. Going by what I can see, no ones ideas and opinions evolve, change or have been modified by any of the postings and re-postings.

People like Lilith, Mr. Punk, Doc Catfish and Vanilla Dog are all very intelligent and articulate. It does seem to me that their articulate dialogue goes nowhere, due to the seeming animosity that underscores this very fact - Dancers and Customers have different perspectives of the whole Stripping thing, and neither will budge an inch.

For what its worth, from my perspective (and just mine, I don’t pretend that it’s anyone else’s), it's seems that a greater percentage of Blue Site posters get all riled up at what is on the Pink Site, then Pink Site posters do about what’s on the Blue Site.

If someone were to ask my advice (and no one has yet ;)) I would say -

Pink Site people - a lot of Blue Site guys will always talk and post about mileage, extras, Dancers are Prostitutes etc etc. All you’re arguing won’t change that. Let them talk. Unless they are YOUR customers, they don’t affect YOUR life in any way. Maybe what they are talking about are Industry things you hate and bring problems, but the handful of posters here have no effect on those problems as a whole. Even if every single one of them changed what they think, the things that bother you will still exist.

Blue Site people - A Lot of Pink site people will always look down and make customer generalizations. Unless they are YOUR dancer, it doesn’t affect your life in any way. Let them vent and live in whatever reality they want to. You’re taking umbrage, rightly or wrongly, at things they accuse men/customers of wont change their thinking. If they all changed their modes of thought about customers, the problems you don’t like about dancers in general will not be changed one iota.

There - I opened my yap. I am quite sure there is much flammable material in this. :flamed:

This is an internet message board, folks. I hope you aren’t taking this too seriously.

PJ (flame away!!!!)

Isis
03-19-2004, 01:22 PM
So if a woman makes a flame against a guy ,then goes to the LO section, it's kind of like saying "Last tag! You can't get me now!"


well all i'm saying is that is a childish way 4 u guys 2 see and react to an area that was requested by, and used by the very people the site was created 4

if the whole "respect the ladies privacy" concept isn't enough then how about maybe respect the Website Owner who wants to make a ladies only available to .

if ya'll just have to comment on stuff in ladies only why not use the PM function instead- just a suggestion :peace:

Isis
03-19-2004, 01:29 PM
Its seems that a greater percentage of Blue Site posters get all riled up at what is on the Pink Site, then Pink Site posters do about what’s on the Blue Site.

I agree !! and ya know what- that's the end of what i have to say on this subject !
:meditate:

Next please :bouncey:

Bridgette
03-19-2004, 02:41 PM
You guys are sure making alot of generalizations about The Pink Site. You take what some girls post about being professional, not crossing lines, and then take what some (other) girls post about going against those standards when the price is high enough, and lump it all together to complain about The Pink Site. If some girls talk about not doing extras and not going out with clients, only to change their tune when a sum like 3 times what they normally make in a night is on the table, well that just proves that money changes everything, nothing more. You guys would damn well change your tune about certain things you *normally* wouldn't do if enough money were on the table. There are some girls over there who always say they won't cross certain lines, for any amount of money, and they have never said otherwise. I think it's reasonable to assume they won't change. Similarly, I'm fairly certain most of you guys here wouldn't go for being donkey-fucked in the ass without lube for any amount of money, although some of you may get closer to that than others, given the right amount of money, some may just *lick* it but not sit on it. Some will remain adamant they'd never get close to it for anything. Try and remember not to lump us all together over there. We are a varied bunch. Those who post that they'll NEVER cross certain lines for any amount of money, likely won't.

That said, as PJ mentioned, I too notice much more animosity from Blue to Pink than from Pink to Blue. The Pinks who don't care for Blue for the most part just choose not to come here. Pretty simple. So I say, if some of you Blues don't care for Pink, just don't go there.

Regarding the comment from guys that The Pink Site doesn't represent anything close to what goes on at their local clubs, well, of course not! How many girls at these local clubs are on the internet, how many are on SW, hell how many can even read well for that matter? I hate to say this, but the sad reality is, MOST strippers (like most people in general) operate on a level FAR BELOW that of the acheivers. They don't have a very good game, they aren't all that bright or educated, they don't have much drive, they are lazy, etc etc etc. From years of experience, I can say that for the most part the strippers on SW tend to represent the ACHIEVERS of stripping, which there are only a very few of at any club. Most guys at most clubs may never really notice (or get to know much about) those girls because they are always busy. They are not the ones who are easily preyed on by *raincoaters* to do BBBJs under the table for $60 because they're 3 days late on the rent, nor will they just walk up and offer a guy extras or start such activity because they have more game than that, and they are not the ones who'll steal a guy's last dollar just because they can. This is a general statement of course.

/ :soapbox:

Katrine
03-19-2004, 04:01 PM
Bridgette....you've stated everything perfectly......

Chuck149
03-19-2004, 04:02 PM
Well stated Bridgette I do have my price:

I would do the donkey thing for a million bucks :) wanna watch ;)

FBR
03-19-2004, 04:53 PM
B...hmmm..well stated but not entirely true IMO. There were several pinksters who trashed us Blue Balls prior to ever posting here. But I still love them and an willing to forgive. I just watched "Jesus of Nazereth" in preparation for the Easter season and Im in a forgiving mood :)

FBR

LapOfLuxury
03-19-2004, 05:07 PM
Hey, Prestor John! I consistently enjoy your intelligent and often hilarious posts.



These themes seem to always be underlying any Blue/Pink clash/confrontation. I don't get involved (and you can call me a pussy or wuss or whatever, I care not) because it really doesn't seem to accomplish anything outside of make sure everyone knows what everyone's stances on the issues are. Going by what I can see, no ones ideas and opinions evolve, change or have been modified by any of the postings and re-postings.


You say "it really doesn't seem to accomplish anything outside of make sure everyone knows what everyone's stances on the issues are." Well, I think that can be a good accomplishment! I enjoy a well-reasoned dialogue on an issue that interests me (whether I'm participating or not). Such a discussion doesn't need to change anyone's mind to be worthwhile. What is bad is if a discussion degenerates into personal attacks.




People like Lilith, Mr. Punk, Doc Catfish and Vanilla Dog are all very intelligent and articulate. It does seem to me that their articulate dialogue goes nowhere, due to the seeming animosity that underscores this very fact - Dancers and Customers have different perspectives of the whole Stripping thing, and neither will budge an inch.


I actually don't agree that it's primarily a matter of Dancer Perspective vs. Customer Perpective. Heck, I agree with a lot of what is posted by dancers and disagree with a lot of what is posted by customers. Lilith may be more likely to see eye to eye with Doc Catfish, than with Vanilla Dog, on a given issue.



For what its worth, from my perspective (and just mine, I don't pretend that it's anyone else's), it's seems that a greater percentage of Blue Site posters get all riled up at what is on the Pink Site, then Pink Site posters do about what's on the Blue Site.


Maybe not a fair comparison. I'll bet a higher percentage of Blue Siters READ the Pink Site than the other way around.

And there is one Blue Siter who particularly delights in posting Pink Site URLs here that get the Penis Gallery riled up. Just stating a fact; I'm not being critical.

I personally enjoy the Pink Site a lot. Hey, it's like taking a peek into the dancers' dressing room! What PL hasn't ever wanted to be a fly on the wall in the dancers' dressing room? But I suspect if we customers ever got the opportunity to do that, we wouldn't be happy about every thing we learned. And so it goes with the Pink Site.

mr_punk
03-19-2004, 06:05 PM
People like Lilith, Mr. Punk, Doc Catfish and Vanilla Dog are all very intelligent and articulate. It does seem to me that their articulate dialogue goes nowhere, due to the seeming animosity that underscores this very fact - Dancers and Customers have different perspectives of the whole Stripping thing, and neither will budge an inch.
and you would do well to follow your own advice, PJ. for example, i've seen you pontificate on subjects regarding customer etiquette such as "i don't like to waste a dancer's time" or "tipping the ladies on stage". that's cool, if you're into that sort of thing. however, if you're not. then it's probably not a productive post, at least by your measuring stick. while, i'm sure you probably won't budge an inch from your position. strangely enough, it didn't seem to stop you from posting.....go figure. look, this is a MB and the subject is sc. i guess we could talk about a number of other subjects, like animal husbandry, but why? also, if you measure a MB by the number of "productive posts" or "making progress". you're probably barking up the wrong tree.


This is an internet message board, folks. I hope you aren’t taking this too seriously.not really. see above.

mr_punk
03-19-2004, 06:15 PM
well that just proves that money changes everything, nothing more.i think everyone is clear on that concept.



You guys would damn well change your tune about certain things you *normally* wouldn't do if enough money were on the table.speaking for myself, sure.



There are some girls over there who always say they won't cross certain lines, for any amount of money, and they have never said otherwise.sure, just as there are some girls who say the same thing and yet their actions contradict their statements. look, if some dancer wants change her tune, that's fine. it's her right and she can do it anytime she wishes. however, if someone merely points out the contradiction, why blame the messenger? does she really expect people to nod their heads without hesitation or question? if someone is so sensitive to the fact that someone dared to question her actions or remarks. perhaps, a public forum isn't the place for that individual or she should just ask everyone to start nodding their heads before she posts. either way is fine by me. i'd just like to know ahead of time. ::)


Try and remember not to lump us all together over there.so, who's lumping you all together? speaking for myself, if i have a problem with bridgette. bridgette will know that i have a problem with her.

LapOfLuxury
03-19-2004, 06:47 PM
and you would do well to follow your own advice, PJ. for example, i've seen you pontificate on subjects regarding customer etiquette such as "i don't like to waste a dancer's time"



Oh, yeah. That was a controversial stand!

I'll never forget the vicious flame war that ensued between Prestor_John and the guys who love to waste the time of dancers.

Where was Pryce when we really needed him?

fishnet
03-19-2004, 06:54 PM
Just want to say thanks to everyone for keeping things civil. There are good points being made on both sides.

Quotes from PJ....

"All Dancers want to fuck over their customers and drain them of cash.

All Customers want to fuck dancers without spending any cash."

PJ, on the second statement did you mean "fuck over" dancers without spending any cash????? It's a given we would want to fuck them. LOL. We wouldn't buy dances if we weren't sexually attracted to them. If so, that statement is false. I always want to make my girl's night money wise. I expect her to make my night as well. ;D

Your points about no one changing anyone's mind are valid. Everyone has their opinion based on personal experience and it won't change because someone else took an opposing view. That's why I suggested in another thread that everyone state their opinion, rebut once and let it go. :)

No flames from me. 8)

Bridgette
03-19-2004, 07:05 PM
Like I said, don't lump us all together. When one dancer adamantly keeps to her stance that she won't cross a particular line, and another says she will when the price is high enough, don't go round saying 'the dancers are hypocrites!' Same goes for one who says she won't do certain things, yet offers suggestions to another who wants to do it. Doesn't mean anyone is changing their 'tune', just that there are different people with different limits. Everyone will offer suggestions / ideas on things they may not be comfortable participating in themselves, especially if someone asks.

There are Blue Ballers who never post on Pink, yet constantly bring up things being discussed there, just to get other Blue Ballers riled. There are other Blue Ballers who never post on Pink but always read the discussions referenced by said *instigators* and then proceed to get unnecessarily pissed off. Speaking of which, that might just be a sign of some Blue Ballers' level of oversensitivity, if they continually get so riled over some BB discussion that has nothing to do with them on a site they don't even post to, just because some prick made a snide remark about it. Anyway, the fact that Blue Ballers continue to point out discussions on Pink and get their BVDs in a wad about it shows that maybe they should just give it a rest. There's nothing saying they need to peruse Pink looking for reasons to get riled up. There's also nothing saying they need to take anything discussed over there (or here) too seriously. Really, it is just a message board.

The reason many Pinkies don't read Blue Balls is that they get annoyed by alot of the discussion here, so rather than waste time and energy getting all in a fit about something that's really pretty irrelevant in their lives (anonymous posts on a message board), they just choose to leave it alone. Blue Ballers who don't like the discussions on Pink can do the same.

Bridgette
03-19-2004, 07:14 PM
There are some girls over there who always say they won't cross certain lines, for any amount of money, and they have never said otherwise.sure, just as there are some girls who say the same thing and yet their actions contradict their statements.
The discussion is about Pinkies. How would you know what the actions of any Pinkies are? Have you met any in particular? When you meet a Pinkie in person who adamantly claims she doesn't cross a certain line, and then witness her crossing that line, you be sure and let us know. You're trying to use an example of some strippers you've met to argue a point about some other strippers you've never met. Does not fly.

fishnet
03-19-2004, 07:20 PM
Bridgette, are you trying to provoke members over here? We are members of the Blue Site. Not Blue Ballers. I haven't had those since I was 16. :D Sheesh! If you want people to take your posts seriously, you really shouldn't use pejoratives when addressing an audience that may be hostile. You usually provide cogent commentary. :) All of the above will probably be disregarded because of the obvious bias. :P

fishnet
03-19-2004, 07:56 PM
"One of the most important things that I've learned in life is that men can fight hard and loud, and beat each other to a pulp, but after they get it out of the way, they move on because it really is only business. They can put each other in the hospital, but they'll be drinking a birra together a week later.

Women can't do that. They hold grudges. You can fight and scream with a woman all you want, she won't forget it the next day like men do. That's why, boys, no matter what you think, you could never win an argument with a woman, so why even try?"

Stata Buon/ Mr. Mafioso AskMen.com

Ditto! You da man SB!!! LOL Hey didn't PJ say almost the same thing? LMAO! Great minds think alike. :D

mr_punk
03-19-2004, 08:15 PM
Like I said, don't lump us all together. When one dancer adamantly keeps to her stance that she won't cross a particular line, and another says she will when the price is high enough, don't go round saying 'the dancers are hypocrites!i'm not lumping you together and exactly who made that statement, bridgette?


Doesn't mean anyone is changing their 'tune', just that there are different people with different limits.ok. let me make sure we're on the same page. someone asks you to commit an act that you consider "impossible" because of your limits. however, that offer is so appealing that you accept. do i consider that changing your "tune". yes and there's nothing strange about that. i have no problem with the act itself. my only issue, is that when someone points out the discrepancy, feathers get ruffled.



The discussion is about Pinkies. How would you know what the actions of any Pinkies are? Have you met any in particular? When you meet a Pinkie in person who adamantly claims she doesn't cross a certain line, and then witness her crossing that line, you be sure and let us know. You're trying to use an example of some strippers you've met to argue a point about some other strippers you've never met. Does not fly.who says i was talking about the pinkies? you? and why doesn't an opinion based on my experience fly? after all, didn't you just state:


From years of experience, I can say that for the most part the strippers on SW tend to represent the ACHIEVERS of stripping, which there are only a very few of at any club. Most guys at most clubs may never really notice (or get to know much about) those girls because they are always busy. They are not the ones who are easily preyed on by *raincoaters* to do BBBJs under the table for $60 because they're 3 days late on the rent, nor will they just walk up and offer a guy extras or start such activity because they have more game than that, and they are not the ones who'll steal a guy's last dollar just because they can.

do you personaly know all the pinkies? do you actually know first-hand exactly what they do in the club every night? do you know for a fact that they don't give BBBJ? do you count all of their money at the end of the night? geez, i know pryce said there were big changes coming to SW, but i didn't know that having a PC and being registered at SW endowed the user with the power of omniscience ::). so, let's recap. you form an opinion based on your experience. i form an opinion based on my experience. however, mine is wrong because i'm not omniscience? :o


This is a general statement of course.no, it isn't sweetie. if i followed your example, that would be a contradiction. ;D

Pryce
03-19-2004, 10:04 PM
Ok, we're gonna try this again. Don't take threads from the ladies only and repost them here. If you have a problem with a poster, you can PM them or you can PM all your buds and bitch and moan in private.

Also, the constant need to be right, argue, and find error in someone else comments is tiresome. On ANY site.

Remember, I'm limited on time. Don't give me so much work that it's more convenient to ban you (you being general).